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Vahid HakkaniA Christian prisoner suffering internal bleeding has been denied proper medical attention in Iran, according to Barnabas Aid.

According to his prison doctors, Vahid Hakkani — who has been detained since his arrest in February 2012 — urgently needs surgery, but Iranian officials have refused to transfer him to a hospital.

Hakkani is on a ward for prisoners of conscience, many of whom also suffer physical and mental health issues as a result of its poor prison conditions.

Hakkani was arrested at a house church gathering along with a number of other Christians; although they were all accused of evangelizing and promoting Christianity, having contact with foreign Christian organisations and disturbing national security, to date none of them has been convicted of any offence.

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72 responses to “Iranian Christian Prisoner Denied Surgery”

  1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    Heaven forbids we promote christianity but that’s what Nassrallah eventually wants in Lebanon. Mr. Aoun ask your master to condemn such brutal act.. but they always accuse the takfiris of extermism but they won’t admit it themselves..

  2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    Heaven forbids we promote christianity but that’s what Nassrallah eventually wants in Lebanon. Mr. Aoun ask your master to condemn such brutal act.. but they always accuse the takfiris of extermism but they won’t admit it themselves..

    1. CHANNIBAL Avatar
      CHANNIBAL

      christianity is disese needed entibiotic but why you name chistian?michael is chistian kafer name

  3. Btru2u Avatar
    Btru2u

    I’m sure this is not aimed at Christians, this is just he way Iran is.

  4. Btru2u Avatar
    Btru2u

    I’m sure this is not aimed at Christians, this is just he way Iran is.

    1. CHANNIBAL Avatar
      CHANNIBAL

      yes akhi salafi better

  5. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    Muslims all over the world are waking up from the 1400 years of hypnosis and are knowing Jesus Christ. But most of them are keeping low profile and are not publicizing their new faith for fear from such reactions in Iran and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and many many other countries. Many muslims are having visions of Jesus Christ in their dreams and wake up convinced they met Jesus. Nobody ever had a vision of mohammad and nobody ever will, because he has been dead and in hell since 1400 years. Muslims in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Sudan even in SA and the Gulf are converting to Christianity and this after being very observant muslims, but something happens in their lives that attracts them to the bible and to Jesus and they ask God to help them know the truth and God does help them and they come out of the darkness to the LIGHT. God said in the bible: “They will persecute you thinking that they are rendering service to God”, this is eactly what is happening to this poor iranian and many others in Iran and Saudi Arabia and other countries, but let them not worry because God is with them, and it is the most important thing.
    Then they say: Islam a religion of peace and rahma, no my friends it is a religion of darkness, ignorance, prison and death….that’s all….wishing to you all to see the LIGHT one day and it would be the beginning of a new LIFE to you.
    PEACE!

    1. mohallel Avatar
      mohallel

      one way to salvation: islam; al tariq al mousstaquim. convert to islam before too late

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Geezz guys. Don’t we get enough advertising?? 😉

      2. master09 Avatar
        master09

        One way to salvation do us all a favour and stay where you are. To late for what the sword.

      3. Btru2u Avatar
        Btru2u

        Salaams Akihi, there is no exuses in this Information Age. People cannot discuss he truth because , they will incriminate themselves and refuse to change. The sealed nectar(the life of the prophet,), science and the Quran, and Quran translation and commentry by yusuf Ali, are just a few sites you can google to study the message that is the last word from The Almighty , that is easy for us to understand. Islam will take over the world Akihi, not by force , but through the realisation of the wisdom of its teachings. The oldest Bible (the gospel of barnabas) was found recently in turkey and it prophecies the coming of Mohammed. How can you deny the proof that is staring you in the face. As the new Christian crusaders plot with the Jews and the Hindus against Islam, it seems to be having a reverse effect , and we can see Islam growing and getting stronger. It is good to see a genuine brother on this site . I pity the some of the misguided people here. I recommend they get a Job, and the maybe they will be accepted in the real world.

        1. master09 Avatar
          master09

          So the millions of Muslims converting to Christianity, by the millions in Africa who run to be baptised because they see and hear the voice of Jesus. How is it that Islam will grow, we’ll when you can’t be a Christian in many Arab countries than for sure Islam will grow, when Christian can not choose I fact even Muslims can not choose to be or not to be. What do call that by force or not by force. We have thousands who can not say that they are Christians in the Me. Go figure the freedom for chose and you say not by force. Well if freedom is allowed than you can talk facts. Think of this in the last 10 years 70 million Muslims in Africa became Christians. I wonder if people had more freedom what direction would they take. I wonder.
          Despite the Iranian government’s ongoing crackdown of Christians living in the primarily Islamic country, the number of Muslims converting to become Christians is growing at an explosive rate, according to the persecution watchdog group Open Doors .
          There is even talk of witnessing a Christian revival, especially among young people living in the country, say Open Doors ministry workers in the Middle East.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            All i can say is allahu akbar thankyou for cleansing our communities and taking away of the hypercrites. Islam will dominate.

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            By the sword and by force not by freedom and chose. Look at the way they are killing each other in the ME shiite bombs mosque Sunni bombs mosque. Where is Islam going in the ME with these things happening. If the freedom to be able to build a church in the ME is allowed what you think will happen. That is why they would not allow the freedom of religion to happen. The people would run the 100 in 6.1sec flat. But where is the freedom for people. It was done by force and is still done by force.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Some feel the only job they can take is interpreting the words of the Prophets and then forcing the rest of the people to listen to them. I think that is also misguided.

      4. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Mohallel,
        You think your prophet was on : Al-tariq al mostaquim ????? What a joke ! The uncle of mohammad who raised him did not believe in him as a prophet, did you know that ?
        Let’s compare Jesus and mohammad and see for yourself who was the “tariq al-mostaquim:
        1- Jesus was born from a virgin in a family who knew the only God and followed the 10 commandments. Mohammad was born in an Atheist family and was raised as atheist and never knew God until he was married to Khadija, who put this idea in his head to be the prophet of the Arabs.
        2- Jesus lived without sin. I am not going to count mohammad’s sins (killing, stealing, marrying 13 women, fornicating with many others, cheating, etc…) I won’t finish today counting them…
        3- Jesus said: “Who saw me saw the one who sent me” (i.e. GOD), and he preached peace and love among humans. Mohammad said: “I was ordered to kill everyone who does not believe in God AND in his messenger”
        4- Jesus died so that the human race lives, Mohammad killed humans so that they believe in him.
        5- Jesus did miracles to thousands and still miracles are happening to this minute in his name. What did mohammad do other than killing and fornicating ?
        You tell me who was on the tariq al-mostaquim ? If you still tell me Mohammad you must be a lunatic.
        By the way, I and all christians are muslims. How ? We are muslims to GOD: Aslamna lil LLah, but you want me to Asslim li mohammad, one of the biggest criminals in history, and this will never happen. I invite you to leave your fanaticism apart and use your brain that God gave you to judge betwseen these 2 personalities in history.
        Finally, you put mohammad even before God when you say: “Mohammad Salla Allahu aalayhi wa aala ahlihi wa sahbihi wa sallam “: God almighty who created everything and everyone including mohammad is going to pray on mohammad his family (the atheist one) and his friends (the Saalleek of the Arabian desert) and greet him ????
        Are you out of your mind repeat this phrase all day long all over the world ?
        Only Jesus Christ is the salavation to all humans, not mohammad not any one else. Even muslims are waiting for Jesus at the end of the world to save the world, not mohammad.
        To Btru2u: I tell you yes there are chrisitans (or rather born christians) becoming muslims. These people do not know Jesus Christ and his message and do not know Islam and its message. They are just ignorants who are impressed by the modesty appearances of Islam, that’s all. Most of them when they know what islam is really about they come running back to christianity.

        1. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          And you know all this information about Jesus how. Oh that’s rite the bible. Which one Constantin the new one or the old one. Tell me this Mr philosopher, who wrote the bible. What makes your religion better than any other, because of a book written by a bunch thieves who have played man kind from the very beginning.
          You claim that Jesus said, Who saw me saw the one who sent me, Guide me Constantin show me Jesus, show me God. I am yet to see anybody able to show me God. And last but not least, who was God before Jesus, do you know. Before you past judgement on any other religion, see the floors in your own first.

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            And you guys have no floors in your. Yes every religion has because people have diff views. But who wrote the Quran have you evidence on that or was it not the Jews who where kept captive by him. Realy anti how can a man be a word of God when all he did was rule by the sword and can you prove to me that he did NOT. Facts get me a DVD . Or YouTube something. Lol

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          On that note in the last 10 years over 60 million Muslims in Africa have been baptised. Fact that a Muslim cleric went on Arab tv and said we should do something to stop this. A Muslims convert said , if all Christian where Christian there would be no Islam.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Funny thing master09, is that both sides fear those ‘conversions’ and worry about how they are ‘holding up’ in the numbers-count …. when there’s too many of us all to feed us all regularly. Humans are weird.
            That ‘convert’ had a good line … but he’s only seen Africa and what the tribes do there.

    2. Btru2u Avatar
      Btru2u

      Some interesting quotes from important people below . Because you show interest , it is my duty to at least point you to the guidance that continues to attract the souls that are still searching.

      Michael H. Hart (1932- ) Professor of astronomy, physics and the history of science.

      q “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.” [The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History, New York, 1978, p. 33]

      William Montgomery Watt (1909- ) Professor (Emeritus) of Arabic and Islamic Studies at the University of Edinburgh.

      q “His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.” [Mohammad At Mecca, Oxford, 1953, p. 52]

      maybe you have not yet accepted Mohammed as the last prophet and messenger of God , but dont you think carefully consideration should be made before rejecting him. After all it is a big claim that 1.5 billion billion people believe is true. And our eternal soul is at stake.
      The people that don’t hear or try to obey gods word will be left wandering , just like isolated tribes, and the hard of heart.
      All you have to do to begin Islam is to truly profess say and believe these words “ash hadu an La ill aha illah loh”( I bear witness that there is no god except Allah) , “Wa ash hadu an Muhammadan Rasuul lilloh” (and I bear witness that Muhammadan is the messenger of Allah”
      I imagine you will need more information , so a good place to start beside the Quran would the seerah of the prophet. ( the life of the prophet ). Books and CDs are available for free, as our reward is only with Allah.(swt

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Peace be upon him

        1. Btru2u Avatar
          Btru2u

          Salaams akhi

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            W 3allaykom alsallam w ra7mat allah w barakatuhu

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        So Btru2u … Whether or not ‘God’ is ‘Allah’ is now simply a matter of interpretation, since we all seem to agree there can be only one God, and we talk about Him that way. If one were to agree that Muhammad was ‘the last prophet and messenger of God’, then one would also be inclined to say ‘Thank God’.
        At this point, to have a viable ‘peace effort’, we would also need to throw out everything else written after he died about ‘godliness’, to become as ‘godly’ as the 3 Prophets, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.
        AND you would need to say that EVERYONE should be forced to read ALL of the 3 books – at least once – as well as anything written before about gods, just to compare.
        Or, you are simply going to need to say that those ‘most humans’, who are largely kept ignorant on purpose, really need the hundreds of later ‘prophets’ to interpret the ancient words. And thus, over time, everything is open to interpretation.
        The ancient words which Muhammad had the advantage of hearing – since he came later – also gave him the advantage of hearing the words of an earlier pair of prophets to learn from – as well as the advantage of hearing advanced practical knowledge accumulated by ‘time’ passage of human experience – and this gave the boost to his ‘secular value’ noted by Hart.
        (I say ‘heard’ since everyone seems to agree Muhammad couldn’t read or write.)
        Some think the passage of 3000 years also boosted general secular values which helped the spiritual ones of all humans … and how now to take those away??
        If he was the last ‘great thinker’ God gave us, then it’s surely time we changed the name of ‘The Supreme’ in Iran, don’t you think?

        Now, I will agree with Watt on the fact ‘The West’ was short on ‘fundamental’ understanding … western fundamental ‘Jesus believers’ being the main problem perhaps, since they ALSO listen only to later prophets. And we can agree with Kipling that both East and West do not appreciate ‘ALL’ the Prophets and simply stick to the one they are taught.
        (Note: Since the infamous ‘9/11’ some are trying to catch up – but it takes a while – maybe a lifetime of a human to read everything godly written up to the death of Muhammad – assuming people also wish to learn some of those secularly valuable things which keep them happily alive at the same time.)
        Can we then agree that East and West should be reading ALL 3 ‘books’ to know that One God? Should not all 3 Prophets be understood completely and studied in a ‘required curriculum’ on a reading-list of – say – all the world’s students over age 18, at least? A ‘Required World-Study’ programme perhaps?
        (I only say 18 because before that age, children know everything anyway 😉

        I bear witness that there is no god except God/Allah – or Allah/God if you wish.
        I am here.
        After that, it’s all interpretation about how to treat the rest of the humans He made in his image. Peace.

      3. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Btru2u: Read my answer to mohallel.
        Yes “Ash hadu anna la ilaha illa allah”, we do not disagree on that, but you want me to believe in Mohammad (a human), this is my problem with you, Mohammad not Allah !!!! This will never happen, because somebody who lived like mohammad lived, it is impossible for him to be a prophet from God.
        The Seerah of the prophet you are proud of it ???? What did your prophet do other than killing, fornicating and forcing himself as a prophet by the sword ? Did he do anything good to anyone ? Did he do any miracle to anyone ? Did he raise the dead ? NO !!!!
        All he did he preached himself as a prophet to the ignorants of the Arabian desert and used these to force himself as a messenger from God on the christians and the jews by killing them. This is what mohammad did. As far as he is the last messenger from God, I tell this : The followers of Jesus asked him: “Master will there be any other prophets after you?” and Jesus answered: “Yes there will many prophets after me, but they will all be liars. You will know them from their fruits (acts). They will speak like lambs and act like wolves”. This is exactly how mohmmad behaved: he spoke that he said that he was a messenger from God, but he killed and stole and fornicated with those who did not believe him.
        AGAIN I tell you mohammad cannot be a prophet from God, it is just impossible !!!!

        1. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          So you won’t believe in a human, then what was Jesus Constantin, not human.

          1. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            Jesus was GOD who took the form of a human. Jesus is the perfect human who is one with GOD, as no other human is perfect. Jesus is the reflexion of GOD in flesh. You yourselves say that Jesus is Rouh allah (the spirit of GOD), rooh allah = allah.

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Do they not say Jesus is Rouh Allah.

    3. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      “He was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another village, where He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty. Then for three years He was an itinerant preacher. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family or a home. He didn’t go to college. He never visited a big city. He never travelled two hundred miles from the place where He was born. He did none of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but Himself. He was only thirty-three when the tide of public opinion turned against Him. His friends ran away. One of them denied Him. He was turned over to His enemies and went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed to a cross between two thieves. While He was dying, His executioners gambled for His garments, the only property He had on earth. When He was dead, He was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend. Nineteen centuries have come and gone, and today He is the central figure of the human race. All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man on this earth as much as that one solitary life.”

      1. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Indeed Leborigine, with all his simplicity he affected billions through out history without slapping one person, or holding a sword. In addition, he does not force you to anything, he GIVES YOU THE CHOICE. Unlike in Islam, if you are born a muslim you are stuck as a muslim or else….

      2. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        I am not the one to complain or give a damn, but which lowlife would give my above comment a negative, when I have attacked no one and it does not put anyone down. It’s a true story and there is nothing offensive about it! It just shows how some people are just – simply ignorrant!!

      3. AntiFSA Avatar
        AntiFSA

        First of all it wasn’t me that gave you the arrow down. :). However please explain to me what his crucifixion had to do with man kind’s sins. I just don’t see the significance between the two. How did him being crucified help man kind

        1. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Can’t help you Anti, I am not qualified enough to justify an answer. Constantine might be able to help you in that department. All i know is that Jesus died for our sins (mankind) and due to His courage and action, God/Allah resurrected Him as He passed the test of being crucufied for us. The same with Abraham whose faith was tested by Allah, when God asked Him to sacrifice his son for Him. God stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son when He saw Abrahams faith and commitment towards Him. I enjoy discussing religion, but I do not debate it as there is no right or wrong.

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Thanks for your honestly. However not even the pope himself can answer it.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          Think of this. You must empty your glass to change. You must wipe the past to understand the present.

  6. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    Muslims all over the world are waking up from the 1400 years of hypnosis and are knowing Jesus Christ. But most of them are keeping low profile and are not publicizing their new faith for fear from such reactions in Iran and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and many many other countries. Many muslims are having visions of Jesus Christ in their dreams and wake up convinced they met Jesus. Nobody ever had a vision of mohammad and nobody ever will, because he has been dead and in hell since 1400 years. Muslims in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Sudan even in SA and the Gulf are converting to Christianity and this after being very observant muslims, but something happens in their lives that attracts them to the bible and to Jesus and they ask God to help them know the truth and God does help them and they come out of the darkness to the LIGHT. God said in the bible: “They will persecute you thinking that they are rendering service to God”, this is eactly what is happening to this poor iranian and many others in Iran and Saudi Arabia and other countries, but let them not worry because God is with them, and it is the most important thing.
    Then they say: Islam a religion of peace and rahma, no my friends it is a religion of darkness, ignorance, prison and death….that’s all….wishing to you all to see the LIGHT one day and it would be the beginning of a new LIFE to you.
    PEACE!

    1. mohallel Avatar
      mohallel

      one way to salvation: islam; al tariq al mousstaquim. convert to islam before too late

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Geezz guys. Don’t we get enough advertising?? 😉

      2. master09 Avatar
        master09

        One way to salvation do us all a favour and stay where you are.

      3. Btru2u Avatar
        Btru2u

        Salaams Akihi, there is no exuses in this Information Age. People cannot discuss he truth because , they will incriminate themselves and refuse to change. The sealed nectar(the life of the prophet,), science and the Quran, and Quran translation and commentry by yusuf Ali, are just a few sites you can google to study the message that is the last word from The Almighty , that is easy for us to understand. Islam will take over the world Akihi, not by force , but through the realisation of the wisdom of its teachings. The oldest Bible (the gospel of barnabas) was found recently in turkey and it prophecies the coming of Mohammed. How can you deny the proof that is staring you in the face. As the new Christian crusaders plot with the Jews and the Hindus against Islam, it seems to be having a reverse effect , and we can see Islam growing and getting stronger. It is good to see a genuine brother on this site . I pity the some of the misguided people here. I recommend they get a Job, and the maybe they will be accepted in the real world.

        1. master09 Avatar
          master09

          So the millions of Muslims converting to Christianity, by the millions in Africa who run to be baptised because they see and hear the voice of Jesus. How is it that Islam will grow, we’ll when you can’t be a Christian in many Arab countries than for sure Islam will grow, when Christian can not choose I fact even Muslims can not choose to be or not to be. What do call that by force or not by force. We have thousands who can not say that they are Christians in the Me. Go figure the freedom for chose and you say not by force. Well if freedom is allowed than you can talk facts. Think of this in the last 10 years 70 million Muslims in Africa became Christians. I wonder if people had more freedom what direction would they take. I wonder.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            All i can say is allahu akbar thankyou for cleansing our communities and taking away of the hypercrites. Islam will dominate.

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            By the sword and by force not by freedom and chose.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Some feel the only job they can take is interpreting the words of the Prophets and then forcing the rest of the people to listen to them. I think that is also misguided.

      4. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Mohallel,
        You think your prophet was on : Al-tariq al mostaquim ????? What a joke ! The uncle of mohammad who raised him did not believe in him as a prophet, did you know that ?
        Let’s compare Jesus and mohammad and see for yourself who was the “tariq al-mostaquim:
        1- Jesus was born from a virgin in a family who knew the only God and followed the 10 commandments. Mohammad was born in an Atheist family and was raised as atheist and never knew God until he was married to Khadija, who put this idea in his head to be the prophet of the Arabs.
        2- Jesus lived without sin. I am not going to count mohammad’s sins (killing, stealing, marrying 13 women, fornicating with many others, cheating, etc…) I won’t finish today counting them…
        3- Jesus said: “Who saw me saw the one who sent me” (i.e. GOD), and he preached peace and love among humans. Mohammad said: “I was ordered to kill everyone who does not believe in God AND in his messenger”
        4- Jesus died so that the human race lives, Mohammad killed humans so that they believe in him.
        5- Jesus did miracles to thousands and still miracles are happening to this minute in his name. What did mohammad do other than killing and fornicating ?
        You tell me who was on the tariq al-mostaquim ? If you still tell me Mohammad you must be a lunatic.
        By the way, I and all christians are muslims. How ? We are muslims to GOD: Aslamna lil LLah, but you want me to Asslim li mohammad, one of the biggest criminals in history, and this will never happen. I invite you to leave your fanaticism apart and use your brain that God gave you to judge betwseen these 2 personalities in history.
        Finally, you put mohammad even before God when you say: “Mohammad Salla Allahu aalayhi wa aala ahlihi wa sahbihi wa sallam “: God almighty who created everything and everyone including mohammad is going to pray on mohammad his family (the atheist one) and his friends (the Saalleek of the Arabian desert) and greet him ????
        Are you out of your mind repeat this phrase all day long all over the world ?
        Only Jesus Christ is the salavation to all humans, not mohammad not any one else. Even muslims are waiting for Jesus at the end of the world to save the world, not mohammad.
        To Btru2u: I tell you yes there are chrisitans (or rather born christians) becoming muslims. These people do not know Jesus Christ and his message and do not know Islam and its message. They are just ignorants who are impressed by the modesty appearances of Islam, that’s all. Most of them when they know what islam is really about they come running back to christianity.

        1. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          And you know all this information about Jesus how. Oh that’s rite the bible. Which one Constantin the new one or the old one. Tell me this Mr philosopher, who wrote the bible. What makes your religion better than any other, because of a book written by a bunch thieves who have played man kind from the very beginning.
          You claim that Jesus said, Who saw me saw the one who sent me, Guide me Constantin show me Jesus, show me God. I am yet to see anybody able to show me God. And last but not least, who was God before Jesus, do you know. Before you past judgement on any other religion, see the floors in your own first.

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            And you guys have no floors in your. Yes every religion has because people have diff views. But who wrote the Quran have you evidence on that or was it not the Jews who where kept captive by him. Realy anti how can a man be a word of God when all he did was rule by the sword and can you prove to me that he did NOT. Facts get me a DVD . Or YouTube something. Lol

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          On that note in the last 10 years over 60 million Muslims in Africa have been baptised. Fact that a Muslim cleric went on Arab tv and said we should do something to stop this. A Muslims convert said , if all Christian where Christian there would be no Islam.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Funny thing master09, is that both sides fear those ‘conversions’ and worry about how they are ‘holding up’ in the numbers-count …. when there’s too many of us all to feed us all regularly. Humans are weird.
            That ‘convert’ had a good line … but he’s only seen Africa and what the tribes do there.

    2. Btru2u Avatar
      Btru2u

      Some interesting quotes from important people below . Because you show interest , it is my duty to at least point you to the guidance that continues to attract the souls that are still searching.

      Michael H. Hart (1932- ) Professor of astronomy, physics and the history of science.

      q “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.” [The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History, New York, 1978, p. 33]

      William Montgomery Watt (1909- ) Professor (Emeritus) of Arabic and Islamic Studies at the University of Edinburgh.

      q “His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.” [Mohammad At Mecca, Oxford, 1953, p. 52]

      maybe you have not yet accepted Mohammed as the last prophet and messenger of God , but dont you think carefully consideration should be made before rejecting him. After all it is a big claim that 1.5 billion billion people believe is true. And our eternal soul is at stake.
      The people that don’t hear or try to obey gods word will be left wandering , just like isolated tribes, and the hard of heart.
      All you have to do to begin Islam is to truly profess say and believe these words “ash hadu an La ill aha illah loh”( I bear witness that there is no god except Allah) , “Wa ash hadu an Muhammadan Rasuul lilloh” (and I bear witness that Muhammadan is the messenger of Allah”
      I imagine you will need more information , so a good place to start beside the Quran would the seerah of the prophet. ( the life of the prophet ). Books and CDs are available for free, as our reward is only with Allah.(swt

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Peace be upon him

        1. Btru2u Avatar
          Btru2u

          Salaams akhi

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            W 3allaykom alsallam w ra7mat allah w barakatuhu

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        So Btru2u … Whether or not ‘God’ is ‘Allah’ is now simply a matter of interpretation, since we all seem to agree there can be only one God, and we talk about Him that way. If one were to agree that Muhammad was ‘the last prophet and messenger of God’, then one would also be inclined to say ‘Thank God’.
        At this point, to have a viable ‘peace effort’, we would also need to throw out everything else written after he died about ‘godliness’, to become as ‘godly’ as the 3 Prophets, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.
        AND you would need to say that EVERYONE should be forced to read ALL of the 3 books – at least once – as well as anything written before about gods, just to compare.
        Or, you are simply going to need to say that those ‘most humans’, who are largely kept ignorant on purpose, really need the hundreds of later ‘prophets’ to interpret the ancient words. And thus, over time, everything is open to interpretation.
        The ancient words which Muhammad had the advantage of hearing – since he came later – also gave him the advantage of hearing the words of an earlier pair of prophets to learn from – as well as the advantage of hearing advanced practical knowledge accumulated by ‘time’ passage of human experience – and this gave the boost to his ‘secular value’ noted by Hart.
        (I say ‘heard’ since everyone seems to agree Muhammad couldn’t read or write.)
        Some think the passage of 3000 years also boosted general secular values which helped the spiritual ones of all humans … and how now to take those away??
        If he was the last ‘great thinker’ God gave us, then it’s surely time we changed the name of ‘The Supreme’ in Iran, don’t you think?

        Now, I will agree with Watt on the fact ‘The West’ was short on ‘fundamental’ understanding … western fundamental ‘Jesus believers’ being the main problem perhaps, since they ALSO listen only to later prophets. And we can agree with Kipling that both East and West do not appreciate ‘ALL’ the Prophets and simply stick to the one they are taught.
        (Note: Since the infamous ‘9/11’ some are trying to catch up – but it takes a while – maybe a lifetime of a human to read everything godly written up to the death of Muhammad – assuming people also wish to learn some of those secularly valuable things which keep them happily alive at the same time.)
        Can we then agree that East and West should be reading ALL 3 ‘books’ to know that One God? Should not all 3 Prophets be understood completely and studied in a ‘required curriculum’ on a reading-list of – say – all the world’s students over age 18, at least? A ‘Required World-Study’ programme perhaps?
        (I only say 18 because before that age, children know everything anyway 😉

        I bear witness that there is no god except God/Allah – or Allah/God if you wish.
        I am here.
        After that, it’s all interpretation about how to treat the rest of the humans He made in his image. Peace.

      3. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Btru2u: Read my answer to mohallel.
        Yes “Ash hadu anna la ilaha illa allah”, we do not disagree on that, but you want me to believe in Mohammad (a human), this is my problem with you, Mohammad not Allah !!!! This will never happen, because somebody who lived like mohammad lived, it is impossible for him to be a prophet from God.
        The Seerah of the prophet you are proud of it ???? What did your prophet do other than killing, fornicating and forcing himself as a prophet by the sword ? Did he do anything good to anyone ? Did he do any miracle to anyone ? Did he raise the dead ? NO !!!!
        All he did he preached himself as a prophet to the ignorants of the Arabian desert and used these to force himself as a messenger from God on the christians and the jews by killing them. This is what mohammad did. As far as he is the last messenger from God, I tell this : The followers of Jesus asked him: “Master will there be any other prophets after you?” and Jesus answered: “Yes there will many prophets after me, but they will all be liars. You will know them from their fruits (acts). They will speak like lambs and act like wolves”. This is exactly how mohmmad behaved: he spoke that he said that he was a messenger from God, but he killed and stole and fornicated with those who did not believe him.
        AGAIN I tell you mohammad cannot be a prophet from God, it is just impossible !!!!

        1. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          So you won’t believe in a human, then what was Jesus Constantin, not human.

          1. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            Jesus was GOD who took the form of a human. Jesus is the perfect human who is one with GOD, as no other human is perfect. Jesus is the reflexion of GOD in flesh. You yourselves say that Jesus is Rouh allah (the spirit of GOD), rooh allah = allah.

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Do they not say Jesus is Rouh Allah.

    3. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      “He was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another village, where He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty. Then for three years He was an itinerant preacher. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family or a home. He didn’t go to college. He never visited a big city. He never travelled two hundred miles from the place where He was born. He did none of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but Himself. He was only thirty-three when the tide of public opinion turned against Him. His friends ran away. One of them denied Him. He was turned over to His enemies and went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed to a cross between two thieves. While He was dying, His executioners gambled for His garments, the only property He had on earth. When He was dead, He was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend. Nineteen centuries have come and gone, and today He is the central figure of the human race. All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man on this earth as much as that one solitary life.”

      1. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Indeed Leborigine, with all his simplicity he affected billions through out history without slapping one person, or holding a sword. In addition, he does not force you to anything, he GIVES YOU THE CHOICE. Unlike in Islam, if you are born a muslim you are stuck as a muslim or else….

      2. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        I am not the one to complain or give a damn, but which lowlife would give my above comment a negative, when I have attacked no one and it does not put anyone down. It’s a true story and there is nothing offensive about it! It just shows how some people are just – simply ignorrant!!

      3. AntiFSA Avatar
        AntiFSA

        First of all it wasn’t me that gave you the arrow down. :). However please explain to me what his crucifixion had to do with man kind’s sins. I just don’t see the significance between the two. How did him being crucified help man kind

        1. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Can’t help you Anti, I am not qualified enough to justify an answer. Constantine might be able to help you in that department. All i know is that Jesus died for our sins (mankind) and due to His courage and action, God/Allah resurrected Him as He passed the test of being crucufied for us. The same with Abraham whose faith was tested by Allah, when God asked Him to sacrifice his son for Him. God stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son when He saw Abrahams faith and commitment towards Him. I enjoy discussing religion, but I do not debate it as there is no right or wrong.

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Thanks for your honestly. However not even the pope himself can answer it.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          Think of this. You must empty your glass to change. You must wipe the past to understand the present.

  7. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Maybe, when you have no money, you need to be a prisoner in Lebanon to get the operation?

  8. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Maybe, when you have no money, you need to be a prisoner in Lebanon to get the operation?

  9. submitter Avatar
    submitter

    according to Christians, its all done by same guy. Father is Jesus. Jesus is Comforter.

    So basically, long time ago God send prophets to mankind. Later God got really bored and send Himself as a prophet to earth. As a prophet, prophecy shall be given to mankind upon the coming of a saviour. Now the best part is, the saviour is Spirit of Truth, again God need to do the job all by himself. After waking up from death, God in a prophet body goes back to heaven. And later God need to comeback as Comforter/Holy Spirit. Lots of job. God need to send His third form, the Spirit form. And some time later, God need to use the prophet body once again to do a return second time.

    God seems like having fun with all these roles it seems, possibly due to being bored in heaven??

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Up and down movement seems better than waiting around for 12 to return, or blowing up instead of merely counting to get to the 72. 😉

  10. submitter Avatar
    submitter

    according to Christians, its all done by same guy. Father is Jesus. Jesus is Comforter.

    So basically, long time ago God send prophets to mankind. Later God got really bored and send Himself as a prophet to earth. As a prophet, prophecy shall be given to mankind upon the coming of a saviour. Now the best part is, the saviour is Spirit of Truth, again God need to do the job all by himself. After waking up from death, God in a prophet body goes back to heaven. And later God need to comeback as Comforter/Holy Spirit. Lots of job. God need to send His third form, the Spirit form. And some time later, God need to use the prophet body once again to do a return second time.

    God seems like having fun with all these roles it seems, possibly due to being bored in heaven??

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Up and down movement seems better than waiting around for 12 to return, or blowing up instead of merely counting to get to the 72. 😉

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