Islamists Claim a Decisive Victory in Egypt’s Vote

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Islamists claimed a decisive victory on Wednesday as early election results put them on track to win a dominant majority in Egypt’s first Parliament since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, the most significant step yet in the religious movement’s rise since the start of the Arab Spring.

The party formed by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s mainstream Islamist group, appeared to have taken about 40 percent of the vote, as expected. But a big surprise was the strong showing of ultraconservative Islamists, called Salafis, many of whom see most popular entertainment as sinful and reject women’s participation in voting or public life.

Analysts in the state-run news media said early returns indicated that Salafi groups could take as much as a quarter of the vote, giving the two groups of Islamists combined control of nearly 65 percent of the parliamentary seats.

That victory came at the expense of the liberal parties and youth activists who set off the revolution, affirming their fears that they would be unable to compete with Islamists who emerged from the Mubarak years organized and with an established following. Poorly organized and internally divided, the liberal parties could not compete with Islamists disciplined by decades as the sole opposition to Mr. Mubarak. “We were washed out,” said Shady el-Ghazaly Harb, one of the most politically active of the group.

Egyptian Salafists, carrying a picture of the late Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, protest in front of the U.S. Embassy after the weekly Friday prayer in Cairo last May 2011

Although this week’s voting took place in only a third of Egypt’s provinces, they included some of the nation’s most liberal precincts — like Cairo, Port Said and the Red Sea coast — suggesting that the Islamist wave is likely to grow stronger as the voting moves into more conservative rural areas in the coming months. (Alexandria, a conservative stronghold, also has voted.)

The preliminary results extend the rising influence of Islamists across a region where they were once outlawed and oppressed by autocrats aligned with the West. Islamists have formed governments in Tunisia and Morocco. They are positioned for a major role in post-Qaddafi Libya as well. But it is the victory in Egypt — the largest and once the most influential Arab state, an American ally considered a linchpin of regional stability — that has the potential to upend the established order across the Middle East.

Islamist leaders, many jailed for years under Mr. Mubarak, were exultant. “We abide by the rules of democracy, and accept the will of the people,” Essam el-Erian, a leader of the Brotherhood’s new party, wrote in the British newspaper The Guardian. “There will be winners and losers. But the real — and only — victor is Egypt.”

Results will not be final until January, after two more rounds of voting. And the ultimate scope of the new Parliament’s power remains unclear because Egypt has remained under military rule since Mr. Mubarak resigned as president in February. But Parliament is expected to play a role in drafting a new Constitution with the ruling military council, although the council has given contradictory indications about how much parliamentary input it will allow.

The emergence of a strong Islamist bloc in Parliament is already quickening a showdown with the military. Brotherhood leaders announced Wednesday that they expected the Islamist parliamentary majority to name a prime minister to replace the civilian government now serving the military. In response, a senior official of the military-led government insisted that the ruling generals would retain that prerogative.

The unexpected rise of a strong ultraconservative Islamist faction to the right of the Brotherhood is likely to shift Egypt’s cultural and political center of gravity to the right as well. Leaders of the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party will likely feel obliged to compete with the ultraconservatives for Islamist voters, and at the same time will not feel the same need to compromise with liberals to form a government.

“It means that, if the Brotherhood chooses, Parliament can be an Islamists affair — a debate between liberal Islamists, moderate Islamists and conservatives Islamists, and that is it,” Michael Wahid Hanna, an Egyptian-born researcher at the Century Foundation in Cairo, said this week.

The ultraconservative Salafi parties, meanwhile, will be able to use their electoral clout to make their own demands for influence on appointments in the new government. Mr. Hanna added: “I don’t mind saying this is not a great thing. It is not a joyous day on my end.”

If the majority proves durable, the longer-term implications are hard to predict. The Brotherhood has pledged to respect basic individual freedoms while using the influence of the state to nudge the culture in a more traditional direction. But the Salafis often talk openly of laws mandating a shift to Islamic banking, restricting the sale of alcohol, providing special curriculums for boys and girls in public schools, and censoring the content of the arts and entertainment.

Their leaders have sometimes proposed that a special council of religious scholars advise Parliament or the top courts on legislation’s compliance with Islamic law. Egyptian election laws required the Salafi parties to put at least one woman on their electoral roster for each district, but they put the women last on their lists to ensure they would not be elected, and some appear with pictures of flowers in place of their faces on campaign posters.

Sheik Hazem Shouman, an important Salafi leader, recently rushed into a public concert on the campus of Mansoura University to try to persuade the crowd to turn away from the “sinful” performance and go home. He defended his actions on a television talk show, saying he had felt like a doctor making an emergency intervention to save a patient dying of cancer.

The new majority is likely to increase the difficulty of sustaining the United States’ close military and political partnership with post-Mubarak Egypt, though the military has said it plans to maintain a monopoly over many aspects of foreign affairs. Islamist political leaders miss no opportunity to criticize Washington’s policies toward Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel and the Palestinians. And while Brotherhood leaders have said they intend to preserve but perhaps renegotiate the 1979 Camp David peace treaty with Israel, the Salafi parties have been much less reassuring. Some have suggested putting the treaty to a referendum.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, an Israeli official acknowledged concerns: “Obviously, it is hard to see in this result good news for Israel.”

Some members of Egypt’s Coptic Christian minority — about 10 percent of the population — joked Wednesday that they would prepare to leave the country. Previously protected by Mr. Mubarak’s patronage, many have dreaded the Islamists’ talk of protecting the Islamic character of Egypt. Some Brotherhood leaders often repeat that they believe citizenship is an equal right of all regardless of sect, even chanting at some campaign rallies that Copts are also “sons of Egypt.” But Salafis more often declare that Christians should not fear Islamic law because it requires the protection of religious minorities, an explanation that many Christians feel assigns them second-class status.

Most Copts voted for the liberal Egyptian bloc, which was vying for second place with the Salafis in some reports. It was an eclectic alliance against the Islamists, dominated by the Social Democrats, a left-leaning party with ties to the revolution’s leaders, and by the Free Egyptians, the business-friendly party founded and promoted by Naguib Sawiris, the Coptic Christian media-and-telecommunications tycoon.

The results indicated that some of the candidates and slates put forward by the former ruling party appeared to have won back their seats. It was unclear how large a bloc they might form, but they could prove sympathetic to the familiar mantra of stability-above-all that the ruling military is putting forward.

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121 responses to “Islamists Claim a Decisive Victory in Egypt’s Vote”

  1. Hannibal Avatar

    Happy now?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Expect a large-scale exodus of women in the future. Anyone have a spare room?
      “some appear with pictures of flowers in place of their faces ”
      Well, faces seem to be missing most of the time … might as well be dead anyway … flowers were a nice touch.

      1. don’t worry ,this is first phase out of 5 , the second phase will be the revolt of women against the Islamic rule ,it started already in Tunisia. Women in Tunisia are defying the islamist by not wearing veils and wearing mini skirt and so on. With the age of IPHONe and blackberry and internet no one can impose anymore anything unless they want to rule North Korean style.Without tourism Egypt and US aid Egypt can’t survive , Islamist or no , economy dictate policies !!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          It’s a hope guss043.
           But it also seems a lot of them like the lifestyles from 1400. Tents or mud huts with gun handy near the door is about all that’s affordable under a sharia banking system – especially if trying to fund 4 wives and 24 kids in the stone kitchen – and the stone-pile outside to remind the wives of their lot in life.
           Probably a ‘hadith’ somewhere about the ‘good old days’ and keeping life simple. Tribal chief collects taxes to fund his bigger tent and a bunch of mosques for the ‘law-makers’ who live well and tell the people it’s the ‘way’ life should be.
          We’ll keep the eyes on Tunisia and Libya liberation, if not the mini-skirts.

  2. Hannibal Avatar

    Happy now?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Expect a large-scale exodus of women in the future. Anyone have a spare room?
      “some appear with pictures of flowers in place of their faces ”
      Well, faces seem to be missing most of the time … might as well be dead anyway … flowers were a nice touch.

    1.  Avatar

      Expect a large-scale exodus of women in the future. Anyone have a spare room?

      1. don’t worry ,this is first phase out of 5 , the second phase will be the revolt of women against the Islamic rule ,it started already in Tunisia. Women in Tunisia are defying the islamist by not wearing veils and wearing mini skirt and so on. With the age of IPHONe and blackberry and internet no one can impose anymore anything unless they want to rule North Korean style.Without tourism Egypt and US aid Egypt can’t survive , Islamist or no , economy dictate policies !!

        1.  Avatar

          It’s a hope guss043.
           But it also seems a lot of them like the lifestyles from 1400. Tents or mud huts with gun handy near the door is about all that’s affordable under a sharia banking system – especially if trying to fund 4 wives and 24 kids in the stone kitchen – and the stone-pile outside to remind the wives of their lot in life.
           Probably a ‘hadith’ somewhere about the ‘good old days’ and keeping life simple. Tribal chief collects taxes to fund his bigger tent and a bunch of mosques for the ‘law-makers’ who live well and tell the people it’s the ‘way’ life should be.
          We’ll keep the eyes on Tunisia and Libya liberation, if not the mini-skirts.

      2. don’t worry ,this is first phase out of 5 , the second phase will be the revolt of women against the Islamic rule ,it started already in Tunisia. Women in Tunisia are defying the islamist by not wearing veils and wearing mini skirt and so on. With the age of IPHONe and blackberry and internet no one can impose anymore anything unless they want to rule North Korean style.Without tourism Egypt and US aid Egypt can’t survive , Islamist or no , economy dictate policies !!

  3. As I predicted the equivalent of Shiite Iran, Saudi Arabia wahhabist worked hard funding the fanatic is Islamist to see this day

  4. As I predicted the equivalent of Shiite Iran, Saudi Arabia wahhabist worked hard funding the fanatic is Islamist to see this day

  5. As I predicted the equivalent of Shiite Iran, Saudi Arabia wahhabist worked hard funding the fanatic is Islamist to see this day

  6. As I predicted the equivalent of Shiite Iran, Saudi Arabia wahhabist worked hard funding the fanatic is Islamist to see this day

  7. LEBANON101 Avatar
    LEBANON101

    i dont understand how the mother of the arabs egypt. the center of liberal arabism . with its movies, music, night clubs and beautiful beaches can vote for hardline Muslim parties. its almost as if only conservatives were allowed to vote

    1. Sebouh80 Avatar

      Notice people the infamous Muslim Brotherhood never participated in the Egyptian uprisings it was the youth and the workers of Egypt who deserve credit.

      The Brotherhood is a right-wing fascist political party.

    2. antar2011 Avatar

      do you believe that the poeple who overthrew the tyrant because they are hungry and fed out with corruption, inequality and oppressio would allow another govt that would do the same?

      i don’t think so.

      1. LEBANON101 Avatar
        LEBANON101

        do you really believe mubarak was bashar al assad.

        1. antar2011 Avatar

          he was the lesser of ther two evils. but nevertheless he was evil.

          in the last election before he was ousted, the ticks on the voting papers were already oout there, all pple needed to do is tick their names of that they have voted…!

    3. No its cause they sat outside the voting booths and helped the illiterate masses who didn’t know better “how to vote”, and gave out food and money. It wont be long now before the tourists never come back, and open murder roams the streets for Christian’s, women, and random innocents caught outside. Could also end up losing the Sinai too if they cant get it under control from the terrorism thats building there.
      5D is pretty accurate, they apparently dont want a income from the gas either… Egypt is going down Im afraid, What a mess:(

  8. LEBANON101 Avatar
    LEBANON101

    i dont understand how the mother of the arabs egypt. the center of liberal arabism . with its movies, music, night clubs and beautiful beaches can vote for hardline Muslim parties. its almost as if only conservatives were allowed to vote

    1. antar2011 Avatar

      do you believe that the poeple who overthrew the tyrant because they are hungry and fed out with corruption, inequality and oppressio would allow another govt that would do the same?

      i don’t think so.

    2. No its cause they sat outside the voting booths and helped the illiterate masses who didn’t know better “how to vote”, and gave out food and money. It wont be long now before the tourists never come back, and open murder roams the streets for Christian’s, women, and random innocents caught outside. Could also end up losing the Sinai too if they cant get it under control from the terrorism thats building there.
      5D is pretty accurate, they apparently dont want a income from the gas either… Egypt is going down Im afraid, What a mess:(

  9.  Avatar

    i dont understand how the mother of the arabs egypt. the center of liberal arabism . with its movies, music, night clubs and beautiful beaches can vote for hardline Muslim parties. its almost as if only conservatives were allowed to vote

    1.  Avatar

      do you believe that the poeple who overthrew the tyrant because they are hungry and fed out with corruption, inequality and oppressio would allow another govt that would do the same?

      i don’t think so.

      1.  Avatar

        do you really believe mubarak was bashar al assad.

        1.  Avatar

          he was the lesser of ther two evils. but nevertheless he was evil.

    2. No its cause they sat outside the voting booths and helped the illiterate masses who didn’t know better “how to vote”, and gave out food and money. It wont be long now before the tourists never come back, and open murder roams the streets for Christian’s, women, and random innocents caught outside. Could also end up losing the Sinai too if they cant get it under control from the terrorism thats building there.
      5D is pretty accurate, they apparently dont want a income from the gas either… Egypt is going down Im afraid, What a mess:(

  10.  Avatar

    i dont understand how the mother of the arabs egypt. the center of liberal arabism . with its movies, music, night clubs and beautiful beaches can vote for hardline Muslim parties. its almost as if only conservatives were allowed to vote

  11. master09 Avatar

    Islamists reject women’s participation in voting or public life.

    The Arab Spring you people have been happy about, saying that the Arab people will be able to move forward in this world
    When I said the Arabs will go backwards, I was told that I was  Uneducated.

    Well can you see the past coming back, Egypt will have no tourist and no jobs no education. Women will be walking 10 feet behind or maybe not walking at all.

    YOU HAPPY 

    1. antar2011 Avatar

      so you would rather the egyptians stay oppressed under tyrants?

      the change into a democracy does not happen overnight…it needs time…just likes things after the french revolution…it takes time but at lkeast now there is a democratic process in place and pple realise they have a voice and can affect results.

      this time the egyptian ppl ehave chosen even if we do not like their choice but they have chosen democratically who they want to lead them….who knows if these parties will stay in power next election time? we are not fit at all to tell them what’s better for them.

      btw these same pple who won in the election are the same ones who have been oppressed and unjustly treated by the mubarak regime many here like.

    2. Revolutionaries were after free and fair elections, therefore they have already won.

      If this government in not true to the principles fought for by the revolutionaries, they cannot expect to last very long.

      It is for the Egyptian people to choose their own representatives for better or for worse, in the same way we chose ours.

      Be careful of fear-mongers, if the government does anything stupid Egyptians know what to do.

  12.  Avatar

    Islamists reject women’s participation in voting or public life.

    The Arab Spring you people have been happy about, saying that the Arab people will be able to move forward in this world
    When I said the Arabs will go backwards, I was told that I was  Uneducated.

    Well can you see the past coming back, Egypt will have no tourist and no jobs no education. Women will be walking 10 feet behind or maybe not walking at all.

    YOU HAPPY 

    1.  Avatar

      i love the telling of the future!…and you are so sure about it too! wow

      1.  Avatar

        It is happening in front of the world, it is not me telling of the future.

        1.  Avatar

          nothing is happening yet bro.

          get a grip.

          all will be good inshaAllah.

          just need a bit of time.

    2. The ones from the square who changed the country are the ones who are losing, stolen right outa their hands…

      1. Same as Iran the Mullah had nothing to do in the revolution and they stole it ,but here is a different story , the Egyptian army since Nasser are taught that the Ikhwen are enemy of the state, the army will never allow Ikhwanji to become a president !!!

    3.  Avatar

      so you would rather the egyotian stay oppressed under tyrants?

      change ito a democracy does not happen overnight…but it will happen.

      who knows if these parties will stay in power next election time? but at least there is the democractic process to change pple in power based o pple’s choice.

      1.  Avatar

        Dude it is their choosing I am not saying the past or present is better or worse. In Iran do people want free speech or don’t they,
         I am not sure, are you but they SHIT their pants from the power that has been there for years. So I am not saying I would rather this or that but I find it hard to see things change much now, soon or a little later. People will rise but they can be crushed.

        So ANTAR2011 I think you have me veryyyy wrong, I more than any other person want to see FREEDOM AND PEACE FOR THE PEOPLE. So I hope that things change but looking at the history of the Arabs  I have a lot of ????????. Like or don’t like.

        1.  Avatar

          you are just pessimistic.

          relax man. all will be fine.

          PS
          i think your comparision between egyptians and the iranis is wrong. but anyway i respect your opinion.

    4.  Avatar

      so you would rather the egyotian stay oppressed under tyrants?

      change ito a democracy does not happen overnight…but it will happen.

      who knows if these parties will stay in power next election time? but at least there is the democractic process to change pple in power based o pple’s choice.

    5.  Avatar

      Revolutionaries were after free and fair elections, therefore they have already won.

      If this government in not true to the principles fought for by the revolutionaries, they cannot expect to last very long.

      It is for the Egyptian people to choose their own representatives for better or for worse, in the same way we chose ours.

      Be careful of fear-mongers, if the government does anything stupid Egyptians know what to do.

    6.  Avatar

      Revolutionaries were after free and fair elections, therefore they have already won.

      If this government in not true to the principles fought for by the revolutionaries, they cannot expect to last very long.

      It is for the Egyptian people to choose their own representatives for better or for worse, in the same way we chose ours.

      Be careful of fear-mongers, if the government does anything stupid Egyptians know what to do.

  13. Sebouh80 Avatar

    What a good news. These coservative right wing Islamists will take us back to the stone age. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Not in Lebanon… eh ma fasharo. 

      1. Nope your just strangled by a fat Iranian puppet that lives underground.

      2. antar2011 Avatar

        the posibility of that happening in lebanon is almost zilch…not only there are few of them but also almost all of the extremist that you are afraid of are supported by the syrian butcher ext door…so when he goes dow, they will go too.

  14. Sebouh80 Avatar

    What a good news. These coservative right wing Islamists will take us back to the stone age. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Not in Lebanon… eh ma fasharo. 

      1. antar2011 Avatar

        the posibility of that happening in lebanon is almost zilch…not only there are few of them but also almost all of the extremist that you are afraid of are supported by the syrian butcher ext door…so when he goes dow, they will go too.

  15.  Avatar

    What a good news. These coservative right wing Islamists will take us back to the stone age. 

    1. Not in Lebanon… eh ma fasharo. 

      1. Nope your just strangled by a fat Iranian puppet that lives underground.

      2.  Avatar

        the posibility of that happening in lebanon is almost zilch…not only there are few of them but also almost all of the extremist that you are afraid of are supported by the syrian butcher ext door…so when he goes dow, they will go too.

    2. Not in Lebanon… eh ma fasharo. 

  16. Sebouh80 Avatar

    Notice people the infamous Muslim Brotherhood never participated in the Egyptian uprisings it was the youth and the workers of Egypt who deserve credit.

    The Brotherhood is a right-wing fascist political party.

  17.  Avatar

    Notice people the infamous Muslim Brotherhood never participated in the Egyptian uprisings it was the youth and the workers of Egypt who deserve credit.

    The Brotherhood is a right-wing fascist political party.

  18. wargame1 Avatar

    Israel will now have more opportunity to create panic around the world as a pretext to attack Arab countries. So far the trend is similar in Libya the NATO rats now claiming that Libya will now have Islamic Sharia ! in Morocco the Islamist also winning.The muslim people in general will like it too.So we can expect most of the Arab countries now will have Islamic government and the west is not trying to suppress the movement like before. After a while we will see the most distorted version of Islam which will bring further humiliation to the Muslims , at the same time the whole world will give a silent verdict to Israel for an all out attack on Arabs with nukes. I believe they are creating that pretext , well one of the Islamic scholors Imran Hosein said about this evil plot, it seems to me he is right on this issue. Islam had Khelafa during the time of the Prophet which was destroyed long before and that Khelafa will revive but this version of Islam is certainly not that Khelafa.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Isn’t religion wonderful?

      1. josephphdman Avatar
        josephphdman

        the islamist extremist in power in egypt such a alarge country 80 millions plus they willing to stand up to shia,s iran , and they will be the defensive state of the middleeast , there are really no other arab countries could stand up to iran ,at this time ,kwait,quatar jordan dubia , are too small and not enough military power , saudi arbia too rich ,too spoiled people wo,nt fight ,so egypt have the potential to stand up and face iran aggression againt the arab coutries ; and it could be bad for democracy in egypt and a step backward, but those islamist are more willing to fight iran than the democratic egyptians.

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar

        One small thing about democracy … which people in democracies often discover to their consternation or shame … you get what you vote for.
        Maybe no-one explained that.
        Bad enough when ‘the people’ don’t listen to the wanna-be politician … but when 35% OF THEM CAN’T READ (and as everywhere in the world, assume another 25% who can’t understand what they read) it’s going to be a very long road for sure.

    2. Mind your own buisness with Israel for once and you might be left alone, Hell you might even benefit. Trust me they are busy with Iran Gaza and your fat man in a hole. Trust me they gonna wack them soon.The rest of you it’s your loss. Israel produces more nobels and technology in a year than the entire Arab collective has in a century. And their Arabs have more rights than ALL of you. So who’s the loser here?

      1. master09 Avatar

        Arabs would live like kings if they leave the Jews alone and start thinking about feeding their people, YES they would Benefit , but it is the Arabs who do not want peace the way they talk.
        They say that their target is to libarate Palestine, but they treat these people like mice in a lab always using the Palestinian as a reason to fight the Jews.

         If there is no Palestinian reason people will not make MONEY……  Keep the myth alive and  the uneducated will follow and that is a lot of people in the ME. About 32% of Arabs are illiterate and the youth unemployment in egypt is 34%, a lot of desperate people that can be bought.  

  19. wargame1 Avatar

    Israel will now have more opportunity to create panic around the world as a pretext to attack Arab countries. So far the trend is similar in Libya the NATO rats now claiming that Libya will now have Islamic Sharia ! in Morocco the Islamist also winning.The muslim people in general will like it too.So we can expect most of the Arab countries now will have Islamic government and the west is not trying to suppress the movement like before. After a while we will see the most distorted version of Islam which will bring further humiliation to the Muslims , at the same time the whole world will give a silent verdict to Israel for an all out attack on Arabs with nukes. I believe they are creating that pretext , well one of the Islamic scholors Imran Hosein said about this evil plot, it seems to me he is right on this issue. Islam had Khelafa during the time of the Prophet which was destroyed long before and that Khelafa will revive but this version of Islam is certainly not that Khelafa.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Isn’t religion wonderful?

  20.  Avatar

    Israel will now have more opportunity to create panic around the world as a pretext to attack Arab countries. So far the trend is similar in Libya the NATO rats now claiming that Libya will now have Islamic Sharia ! in Morocco the Islamist also winning.The muslim people in general will like it too.So we can expect most of the Arab countries now will have Islamic government and the west is not trying to suppress the movement like before. After a while we will see the most distorted version of Islam which will bring further humiliation to the Muslims , at the same time the whole world will give a silent verdict to Israel for an all out attack on Arabs with nukes. I believe they are creating that pretext , well one of the Islamic scholors Imran Hosein said about this evil plot, it seems to me he is right on this issue. Islam had Khelafa during the time of the Prophet which was destroyed long before and that Khelafa will revive but this version of Islam is certainly not that Khelafa.

    1.  Avatar

      Isn’t religion wonderful?

    2. Mind your own buisness with Israel for once and you might be left alone, Hell you might even benefit. Trust me they are busy with Iran Gaza and your fat man in a hole. Trust me they gonna wack them soon.The rest of you it’s your loss. Israel produces more nobels and technology in a year than the entire Arab collective has in a century. And their Arabs have more rights than ALL of you. So who’s the loser here?

      1.  Avatar

        Arabs would live like kings if they leave the Jews alone and start thinking about feeding their people, YES they would Benefit , but it is the Arabs who do not want peace the way they talk.
        They say that their target is to libarate Palestine, but they treat these people like mice in a lab always using the Palestinian as a reason to fight the Jews.

         If there is no Palestinian reason people will not make MONEY……  Keep the myth alive and  the uneducated will follow and that is a lot of people in the ME. About 32% of Arabs are illiterate and the youth unemployment in egypt is 34%, a lot of desperate people that can be bought.  

  21. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    the islamist extremist in power in egypt such a alarge country 80 millions plus they willing to stand up to shia,s iran , and they will be the defensive state of the middleeast , there are really no other arab countries could stand up to iran ,at this time ,kwait,quatar jordan dubia , are too small and not enough military power , saudi arbia too rich ,too spoiled people wo,nt fight ,so egypt have the potential to stand up and face iran aggression againt the arab coutries ; and it could be bad for democracy in egypt and a step backward, but those islamist are more willing to fight iran than the democratic egyptians.

  22.  Avatar

    the islamist extremist in power in egypt such a alarge country 80 millions plus they willing to stand up to shia,s iran , and they will be the defensive state of the middleeast , there are really no other arab countries could stand up to iran ,at this time ,kwait,quatar jordan dubia , are too small and not enough military power , saudi arbia too rich ,too spoiled people wo,nt fight ,so egypt have the potential to stand up and face iran aggression againt the arab coutries ; and it could be bad for democracy in egypt and a step backward, but those islamist are more willing to fight iran than the democratic egyptians.

  23. Hannibal Avatar

    I will tell you what I think… (even if not solicited). The West always knew that was gonna happen. Remove Saddam and the dominos will keep falling UNTIL: Shia Islam will face Sunni Islam. Look at the map how it is shaping up and then Padaboum WWIII Moslem against Moslem. The rest of us will be on TV with popcorn and soda and ham sandwiches watching it on the news as souls being martyred in the name of God and reaching to a heaven that does not exist and 40 virgins that could very well be men virgins for punishment. ha ha ha (go ahead call me kaafir).

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Hannibal !  Naughty kaffir indeed. And it’s 72 – men or women 😉

      1. I’m willing to go if you guarantee all women …:)

    2. prophettt Avatar

      KAAER WE BASSS….. INTA  RASSOUL ALKOUFAR,LOL
      Unfortunately , You are right.The west never cared about democracy and freedom for the Arab world, But if elections and freedom  were to be misused  in order to divide the region, then be it. Enjoy your pop corn,

    3. prophettt Avatar

      KAAER WE BASSS….. INTA  RASSOUL ALKOUFAR,LOL
      Unfortunately , You are right.The west never cared about democracy and freedom for the Arab world, But if elections and freedom  were to be misused  in order to divide the region, then be it. Enjoy your pop corn,

  24. I will tell you what I think… (even if not solicited). The West always knew that was gonna happen. Remove Saddam and the dominos will keep falling UNTIL: Shia Islam will face Sunni Islam. Look at the map how it is shaping up and then Padaboum WWIII Moslem against Moslem. The rest of us will be on TV with popcorn and soda and ham sandwiches watching it on the news as souls being martyred in the name of God and reaching to a heaven that does not exist and 40 virgins that could very well be men virgins for punishment. ha ha ha (go ahead call me kaafir).

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      Hannibal !  Naughty kaffir indeed. And it’s 72 – men or women 😉

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        I’m willing to go if you guarantee all women …:)

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      KAAER WE BASSS….. INTA  RASSOUL ALKOUFAR,LOL
      Unfortunately , You are right.The west never cared about democracy and freedom for the Arab world, But if elections and freedom  were to be misused  in order to divide the region, then be it. Enjoy your pop corn,

  25. wargame1 Avatar

    The west supposedly came to civilize the Muslims and spread democracy but in return they are now bankrupted! 3 trillion US dollar spent over Iraq and Afghanistan Invasion, 9 trillion dollar is missing from the federal reserve, 3 trillion Dollar is missing from the pension fund in 2001 , millions of American are now homeless due to the foreclosure fraud, Huge number of western soldiers are now depleted uranium infected who will eventually die, the population growth in the west now is experiencing a negative birth rate and after two to three generation the white Caucasian race are expected to be like that of Panda population.The fraud paper money is now coming to an end when the forth coming US dollar collapse the “petro dollar” is going back to America like a tsunami hyper inflation.Russians got a lesson from the Afghans but still need more. Iraq has about 9 to 12 trillion dollar worth of oil but seems to me its like a oil mirage for the invading pigs. The joy ride of western so called sami clud civilization is coming to an end because it is utterly depend on hydro carbon energy. They have depleted their own resources and coveting other peoples wealth while spreading democracy. This temporary newly civilized people are now poised to go back to those dark ages from where they evolved. 

    The old backward book reminds us the reality…..”The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-” Quran 8:36

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Well .. it’s certainly hell watching some of the ‘political shows’ and debates of stupidity lately. And that seems everywhere. Maybe we’re already in it. There’s certainly more of us all the time.

      By the way … looks like they didn’t like Canada surviving or doing well up to now … want it to bail out Europe with the ‘American Plan’ which failed; while blaming those only 35 million people for the world pollution in, of all places, Africa.
      Yah .. could be hell already.

    2. Is that you Hugo Chavez, live on Discus?

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    The west supposedly came to civilize the Muslims and spread democracy but in return they are now bankrupted! 3 trillion US dollar spent over Iraq and Afghanistan Invasion, 9 trillion dollar is missing from the federal reserve, 3 trillion Dollar is missing from the pension fund in 2001 , millions of American are now homeless due to the foreclosure fraud, Huge number of western soldiers are now depleted uranium infected who will eventually die, the population growth in the west now is experiencing a negative birth rate and after two to three generation the white Caucasian race are expected to be like that of Panda population.The fraud paper money is now coming to an end when the forth coming US dollar collapse the “petro dollar” is going back to America like a tsunami hyper inflation.Russians got a lesson from the Afghans but still need more. Iraq has about 9 to 12 trillion dollar worth of oil but seems to me its like a oil mirage for the invading pigs. The joy ride of western so called sami clud civilization is coming to an end because it is utterly depend on hydro carbon energy. They have depleted their own resources and coveting other peoples wealth while spreading democracy. This temporary newly civilized people are now poised to go back to those dark ages from where they evolved. 

    The old backward book reminds us the reality…..”The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-” Quran 8:36

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      Well .. it’s certainly hell watching some of the ‘political shows’ and debates of stupidity lately. And that seems everywhere. Maybe we’re already in it.

    2. Is that you Hugo Chavez, live on Discus?

  27. 5thDrawer Avatar

    One small thing about democracy … which people in democracies often discover to their consternation or shame … you get what you vote for.
    Maybe no-one explained that.
    Bad enough when ‘the people’ don’t listen to the wanna-be politician … but when 35% OF THEM CAN’T READ (and as everywhere in the world, assume another 25% who can’t understand what they read) it’s going to be a very long road for sure.

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    One small thing about democracy … which people in democracies often discover to their consternation or shame … you get what you vote for.
    Maybe no-one explained that.Bad enough when ‘the people’ don’t listen to the wanna-be politician … but when 35% OF THEM CAN’T READ (and as everywhere assume another 25% who can’t understand what they read) it’s going to be a very long road for sure.

  29. Thats why every Lebanese should be happy with HA that they shared there goverment with every faith and representive of there faiths,they didnt make it shia gov or enforce shia law as we keep hearing from the ultimate zionest geagea,just like farid zakaria stated on cnn, HA proved its fairness when it took over the goverment to make it a shared goverment and not single party ruled and alot of nations should use this as an example of sharing power and not being greedy…when you guys see whats happening around the moslem world with extremist taking power and implementing law,it should at least show you that HA did not do that, when we all know they can take control of all of Lebanon with in hours as they did beirut they chose to share with there fellow lebanese and protect there fellow lebanese while there fellow lebanese are declaring war on them…pitty a nation with no heart since that nation has no soul and only becomes land as dry as a dead man in a casket.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      When the people see that progress Michael, the next election may show it.

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      When the people see that progress Michael, the next election may show it.

    3. LEBANON101 Avatar
      LEBANON101

      shut up please. the lebanese government is nothing. the real power is hibzallahs weapons that the REAL POWER. and are they sharing that ? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are using it to make lebanon another iran

    4. antar2011 Avatar

      in your dreams!

      aal happy with HA aal

    5. Sharing power means nothing when your majority party  doesn’t actually do anything, BUT remind you daily they have the ability to over run the capitol in 30 minutes with masked gunmen.
      Want to make Lebanon happy and prosper? Deport that genocidal worthless Iranian stooge fat f*ck and ALL his followers to Iran and as soon as they gather to leave, OOPS!,

    6. Sharing power means nothing when your majority party  doesn’t actually do anything, BUT remind you daily they have the ability to over run the capitol in 30 minutes with masked gunmen.
      Want to make Lebanon happy and prosper? Deport that genocidal worthless Iranian stooge fat f*ck and ALL his followers to Iran and as soon as they gather to leave, OOPS!,

  30. Thats why every Lebanese should be happy with HA that they shared there goverment with every faith and representive of there faiths,they didnt make it shia gov or enforce shia law as we keep hearing from the ultimate zionest geagea,just like farid zakaria stated on cnn, HA proved its fairness when it took over the goverment to make it a shared goverment and not single party ruled and alot of nations should use this as an example of sharing power and not being greedy…when you guys see whats happening around the moslem world with extremist taking power and implementing law,it should at least show you that HA did not do that, when we all know they can take control of all of Lebanon with in hours as they did beirut they chose to share with there fellow lebanese and protect there fellow lebanese while there fellow lebanese are declaring war on them…pitty a nation with no heart since that nation has no soul and only becomes land as dry as a dead man in a casket.

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      When the people see that progress, the next election may show it.

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      shut up please. the lebanese government is nothing. the real power is hibzallahs weapons that the REAL POWER. and are they sharing that ? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are using it to make lebanon another iran

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      in your dreams!

      aal happy with HA aal

    4. Sharing power means nothing when your majority party  doesn’t actually do anything, BUT remind you daily they have the ability to over run the capitol in 30 minutes with masked gunmen.
      Want to make Lebanon happy and prosper? Deport that genocidal worthless Iranian stooge fat f*ck and ALL his followers to Iran and as soon as they gather to leave, OOPS!,

    5. Sharing power means nothing when your majority party  doesn’t actually do anything, BUT remind you daily they have the ability to over run the capitol in 30 minutes with masked gunmen.
      Want to make Lebanon happy and prosper? Deport that genocidal worthless Iranian stooge fat f*ck and ALL his followers to Iran and as soon as they gather to leave, OOPS!,

  31. Thats why every Lebanese should be happy with HA that they shared there goverment with every faith and representive of there faiths,they didnt make it shia gov or enforce shia law as we keep hearing from the ultimate zionest geagea,just like farid zakaria stated on cnn, HA proved its fairness when it took over the goverment to make it a shared goverment and not single party ruled and alot of nations should use this as an example of sharing power and not being greedy…when you guys see whats happening around the moslem world with extremist taking power and implementing law,it should at least show you that HA did not do that, when we all know they can take control of all of Lebanon with in hours as they did beirut they chose to share with there fellow lebanese and protect there fellow lebanese while there fellow lebanese are declaring war on them…pitty a nation with no heart since that nation has no soul and only becomes land as dry as a dead man in a casket.

  32. Fauzia45 Avatar

    If these ¨ultra conservative salafi leaders think and believe that these concerts ¨are sinful¨,why don t they turn away and go home?!!! People are free to watch and hear what they want !!!I

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    If these ¨ultra conservative salafi leaders think and believe that these concerts ¨are sinful¨,why don t they turn away and go home?!!! People are free to watch and hear what they want !!!I

  34. antar2011 Avatar

    if that’s the choice of the majority of the poeple in egypt then be it!

    these politicians will become less “conservative” once they start dealings in the international community.

    this is what the lybians have become already…they wanted shairah for constitution now they have changed their mind.

    the egyptians will go on the same route…perhaps.

  35. antar2011 Avatar

    if that’s the choice of the majority of the poeple in egypt then be it!

    these politicians will become less “conservative” once they start dealings in the international community.

    this is what the lybians have become already…they wanted shairah for constitution now they have changed their mind.

    the egyptians will go on the same route…perhaps.

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    if that’s the choice of the majority of the poeple in egypt then be it!

    these politicians will become less “conservative” once they start dealings in the international community.

    this is what the lybians have become already…they wanted shairah for constitution now they have changed their mind.

    the egyptians will go on the same route…perhaps.

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