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Lebanon’s Christian Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros al-Rai will not meet with US officials during his tour of the US which begins on Saturday, MTV reported on Wednesday.

MTV added that Rai is going to conduct a pastoral tour across the US starting October the beginning of October

Former Patriarch Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir always stopped in Washington DC to meet US key officials whenever he visited the US , but Rai’s recent stance may be the reason behind his decision not to meet US officials according to local analysts

Rai came under fire earlier this month from the opposition March 14 parties but won praise from March 8 politicians for indirectly defending Hezbollah’s arms and linking the party’s arsenal to the termination of Israeli occupation of Lebanese territory and the return of Palestinian refugees to their homeland . Even MP Walid Jumblatt who defected from March 14 alliance was very critical of Rai’s statements.

Rai emphasized during a trip to Paris that “only when the international community exerts pressure on Israel to vacate the occupied Lebanese territory ( the Shebaa Farms, Kfar Shouba hills and the Lebanese part of the disputed border village of Ghajar ) and Israel allows Palestinians in Lebanon to return to their homes, can Hezbollah be asked to hand over its arms because they will no longer be needed.”

Rai added that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is “open-minded” and should be given more chances to implement the reforms he already announced.

The patriarch claimed after returning to Lebanon that the remarks he made while in Paris “were taken out of context and have nothing to do” with his personal opinion.

Assad’s regime has cracked down on a string of unprecedented protests across his country, killing more than 2,700 civilian protesters since the uprising began in March, according to the United Nations.

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93 responses to “Patriarch Rai will not meet with US officials during his US tour”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Maybe he will meet some Christians … they can explain religion’s place in US society.

  2. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Maybe he will meet some Christians … they can explain religion’s place in US society.

  3. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Maybe he will meet some Christians … they can explain religion’s place in US society.

  4. shankarees Avatar
    shankarees

    This is a lie!  U.S. officials refused to meet him and not the other way round.

  5. Avatar
    Anonymous

    This is a lie!  U.S. officials refused to meet him and not the other way round.

  6. JoAnna1970 Avatar
    JoAnna1970

    Shankarees, Before you accuse him of lying, please look at the facts behind his decision.  His visit to the US is very short and for religious reasons.  We as Lebanese Maronites/Christians deserve the attention of our church leader as much as Bekerky.  He will have barely time to visit the few churches.  It will be best if he dedicates his visit to the churches not to Washington DC – as a religious figure.
     I personally believe that the Patriarch should not interfere with politics.  He should not meet with US political officials and should not make any political statements.
     What he said Paris is derived from fear for the Christian safety.  I don’t think he is a fan of Assad or Hezbollah.  He just wants to protect the Christians.  We are betrayed and tortured all over the world – even in the US.  The Atheists are taking over our kids.
     Look at the Christians of Iraq and the handful of Christians left in Jerusalem, the Christians in Eygpt – our girls are getting rapped, our youth are getting killed, and our homes are being robbed.
     Lebanon is the only hope for Eastern churches.  Please keep religion out of all politics nonsense. 

    1. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      he was planning to visit washington DC but it was refused after his illthought comments in Paris….also, his visit was downgraded to a mere religious tour..

      i agree with you he as a religious figure should stayed out of politics but he didn’t and obviously he does not agree with you, in every visit he is reiterating political views of the sunni monster out to get the christians.. ba3den it is too late he visited  some political figures in France and so cannot rewind events back.

      again, this fear of the christian safety from sunnis has no basis whatsoever especially IN LEBANON and facts/reality confirms this.
      he would not have said Assad is a good man and that we should give him more chance if he was not a fan…other wise he is being hypocrite and that is not a befiting to a person in his position..

       the christians in the east are not all catholic and maronites so he should not be expressing somethings on their behalf anyway.

      the christians in Iraq were more in number and supported the sunni leader before the american invation backed by Irani murshed that resulted in christian migration…the govt in iraq now is heavily supported by Iran,,a shiite muslim NOT sunni extremist.

      the christians in Egypt are in a different basket, because they had trouble with their fellow citizens before the Arab spring…ba3den they have been in egypt for a long time and they are still there, no one exterminated them and no one will…because the egyptians are sunnis.

      the christians in Lebanon…well they weren’t the only one who suffered, migrated, whose homes and families destroyed…but you should know more then anyone because you are lebanese [i assume] who was behind the suffering and the destruction of all lebanese poeple and their country…it is certainly not the sunni extremist…

      to believe the propaganda that Assad keeps pumping into some brains if anything goes against the morals of the church that you are supposed to follow.

    2. shankarees Avatar
      shankarees

      I agree with the last three paragraphs of your post but, trust me, the U.S. administration refused to meet him while every time Patriarch Sfair came here, he was welcomed at the White House.  The administration is displeased with what he had to say and, just to save face, it is being portrayed as his mission is purely religious.  Neither you nor anybody else can persuade me that his communique about Assad and Hezbollah are good for me, as a Lebanese Christian nor is it conducive to Christian – Sunni & Druze relations.  He repeated himself in the Spiritual Summit and thought no one would hear but we all know that there was no misinterpretation of his Paris statements but repetition of the same.  It does not matter to me if he is a patriarch because I will criticize the Pope, if he were to say anything wrong.

      Christians of the East are in deep trouble and being soft on radicals like Shiite Hezbollah or Sunni Salafites and their planned Islamic state in Lebanon and dictators like Assad will not help.  

      The proof that what Rai said is wrong is the fact that Hezbollah and the Aounies are supporting him.  This is the biggest proof that shows the errors of his ways.  I am deeply disappointed in him and anyone who supports his feeble stand.

    3. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      you call yourself christians? you guys worship Some saint you made up call Charbel. you people worship him and pray to him as if he is your God. You hardly acknowledge Jesus but you worship Mary. Most of the Maronite Churches i go to 1/2 of the women dress like whores trying to get someones attentions. Many of them cheat on each other and they gossip about each other after the service is over. You guys are the causes of the problems in Lebanon. You allowed the palestinians in Lebanon then you fought them hard to get them out. You befriended Israel at the expenese of other christians and what did come out of this alliance. Your partriach should not have opened his mouth about politics period. Why don’t he and Aoun defends the Christians rights in Jubeil and other areas in East Beirut where its overrun by HA and their slave Aoun. There is nothing ethical about what you guys do in churches most of your priest sleep with the nuns..
      so what his majesty visited you is that going to change your mentality.. stop worshipping the devil and stick to the father, son and holy ghost..

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Nagging?? Hmmmmm … sounds like you need a dose of Baptist Church … 😉
        Unless, of course, dressing ‘like a whore’ to you means showing an eyeball … in which case, there’s no hope for you anywhere but a Taliban mud-hut.

        1. shankarees Avatar
          shankarees

          You made a typo!  It is called the Badtist Church.  They with the Jehovah’s Nuttnesses and the Morons, Nutter Day Ain’ts are the real crazies.   Oh!  I forget the Seventh Day Inventionists who claim that Jesus sat at the right hand of the Father in 1833.

      2. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        What Maronite churches you went to? I like to attend Mass there, they seem more interesting than the church I go to … I’m always looking for some strange. That is what coffee hour is politics and gossip, it is the American way.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Nothing like ‘Fellowship’ hour, eh Libnan ? 🙂 I like the sandwiches and cookies …

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          the ones in Orange County and Anaheim and others too. nothing but lucifers there.

      3. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        spoken like a true “born again christian” I assume you dont believe in intercession…. would I be crazy to assume this?
        how is it that Jesus interceded on behalf of all of humanity then? you do believe that, dont you?
        how is asking “mar charbel” or “mar maroun” or “el 3adra” or whoever else to pray on your behalf equated to worshiping them? explain yourself please.

        the whole idea of christianity is bogus without intercession, so chose your words carefully “mr christian”.

        1. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          For the first time you made sense Balash…..:) This nagy_m dude is way up tight. I hope mar Charbel and Aoun straighten him out.  

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          your mar charbel and aoun are fake and there is not sainthoode about either one of them. you guys worship pictures and there is hardly any mention of Charbel in the bible. stop making him a saint. Maybe he has done lots of good in his past life, but that don’t qualify you people to appoint him saint. The same for your belove Libnan1 Aoun the devil worshiper.

        3. shankarees Avatar
          shankarees

          nagy_michael2,You are an heretic i.e. Protestant and have no right to write about Christianity.  Only Apostolic Churches are in the right while you Protestants ignore that we decided what the Bible is (compiled the Canon).  Further, you ignore the teachings of the Church Fathers who came immediately after the Apostles.  Because of your stupid interpretation of the Bible, there are more heretic Protestant sects and cults than there are Protestants.You are right only when it comes to Michel Aoun.

      4. geo metro Avatar
        geo metro

        i have no desire to argue for the sport of it but from a scripture point of view you are 100% correct,
        there is repeated and very strong language throughout the bible indicating the use of images of any kind being a no no

        A Clear Bible TeachingGod’s Law forbade making images as objects of worship. The second of the Ten Commandments decreed: “You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.” (Exodus 20:4, 5) The inspired Christian Scriptures also command: “You must keep clear of idolatry.”—1 Corinthians 10:14.
        True, many insist that their use of images in worship is not idolatry. Orthodox Christians, for example, often deny that they actually worship the icons before which they bow, kneel, and pray. An Orthodox priest wrote: “We pay respect to them because they are holy objects, and because we reverence what the Icons depict.”
        Still, the question remains: Does God approve the use of icons for the purpose of even so-called indirect veneration? Nowhere does the Bible authorize such a practice. When the Israelites set up an image of a calf, allegedly for the purpose of venerating God, he expressed his strong disapproval, saying that they had apostatized.—
        God now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people whom you led up out of the land of Egypt have acted ruinously Exodus 32:7

        What, though, about the veneration of individuals, such as Mary or “saints”? Jesus, responding to a temptation from Satan, referred to Deuteronomy 6:13 and said: “You must worship the Lord your God, and serve him alone.” (Matthew 4:10) He later said that true worshipers would worship “the Father,” no one else. (John 4:23) Realizing this, an angel reprimanded the apostle John for attempting to worship him, saying:  “Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who are prophets and of those who are observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.” Revelation 22:9.
        Is it proper to pray to Jesus’ earthly mother, Mary, or to particular “saints,” asking them to intercede with God in one’s behalf? The Bible’s direct answer is: “There is only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ Jesus.”—1 Timothy 2:5.
        Safeguard Your Relationship With God Your Relationship With God The use of icons in worship, being against the clear teaching of the Bible, cannot help people to win God’s approval and gain salvation. On the contrary, Jesus said that everlasting life depends upon our taking in knowledge of the only true God, becoming acquainted with his matchless personality as well as with his purposes and dealings with humans. (John 17:3) Icons that do not see, feel, or speak do not help one to know God and to worship him acceptably. (Psalm 115:4-8) That most important education is available only through a study of God’s Word, the Bible.
        Besides affording no benefit, icon worship may be spiritually dangerous. How so? First and foremost, it can cause a breach in one’s relationship with God. Regarding Israel, who “angered him with abominable idols,” God foretold: “I will hide my face from them.” (Deuteronomy 32:16, 20, The New American Bible) Rebuilding their relationship with God meant their ‘spurning sinful idols.’—Isaiah 31:6, 7, NAB.
        How appropriate, therefore, the Scriptural counsel: “My little children, be on your guard against idols”!—1 John 5:21, NAB.
         

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Come on, Geo … Sport is good for the soul. 🙂

      5. shankarees Avatar
        shankarees

        I did not notice this post that proves you are a 7maar (donkey – ass).  You are not a Christian; you are Protestant who are hypocrites.

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          Protestants do not worship idols like you do and they’re more logical about religion and true to their religion unlike you.
          You go to church and you pray then you come out and act the same way. there is not christians about your morales and values. You curse outside the church and women eye each other clothe and how fancy they look. Men eyeing these women as if they’re their properties. Charbel who damn it? you have all saints then you forgot to worship the true God Jesus Christ. IN fact all hypocrites like you worship Mary the fictional mother of Jesus. You believe an eye for an eye and in fact Christians in Lebanon killed each other more than muslims did. there is not christians about you and all you care about yourself and never cared about Lebanon.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Hey hey folks … let’s not be trying to divide the Christians AGAIN … you want us to be like the Muslims?? 😉
            Besides, Henry 8th had enough problems with a Pope … and even the Irish are trying to keep it quiet these days. 😉
          The struggle to get these silly translations of a book OUT of national politics is bad enough without dumping on the coffee & sandwiches …

      6. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        “your mar charbel and aoun are fake and there is not sainthoode about either one of them…………… bla bla bla ………….. The same for your belove Libnan1 Aoun the devil worshiper”

        how come you didnt answer any of the questions I asked you and went on a crazy tangeant? did I strike a nerve? did I say something you havent thought about?
        what a comeback… I see not one ounce of intelligence in you. never the less, I couldnt care one ioda about your personal beliefs but you are acting like a muslim telling people who’s a real christian and who isnt.
        have you even read the Bible? “matthew 7 1-5″( I am not putting the words here cause you need to do some work if I am to educate you), you think you are acting christian like by sitting in judgement of other christians? show me where the Bible ever condoned such behavior, otherwise I tell you what Jesus told all in matthew 10:14.
        I didnt judge you, that’s why I asked you a few questions, but you didnt answer, is it cause you have no answers?
        “mr christian”

      7. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        “your mar charbel and aoun are fake and there is not sainthoode about either one of them…………… bla bla bla ………….. The same for your belove Libnan1 Aoun the devil worshiper”

        how come you didnt answer any of the questions I asked you and went on a crazy tangeant? did I strike a nerve? did I say something you havent thought about?
        what a comeback… I see not one ounce of intelligence in you. never the less, I couldnt care one ioda about your personal beliefs but you are acting like a muslim telling people who’s a real christian and who isnt.
        have you even read the Bible? “matthew 7 1-5″( I am not putting the words here cause you need to do some work if I am to educate you), you think you are acting christian like by sitting in judgement of other christians? show me where the Bible ever condoned such behavior, otherwise I tell you what Jesus told all in matthew 10:14.
        I didnt judge you, that’s why I asked you a few questions, but you didnt answer, is it cause you have no answers?
        “mr christian”

  7. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Shankarees, Before you accuse him of lying, please look at the facts behind his decision.  His visit to the US is very short and for religious reasons.  We as Lebanese Maronites/Christians deserve the attention of our church leader as much as Bekerky.  He will have barely time to visit the few churches.  It will be best if he dedicates his visit to the churches not to Washington DC – as a religious figure.
     I personally believe that the Patriarch should not interfere with politics.  He should not meet with US political officials and should not make any political statements.
     What he said Paris is derived from fear for the Christian safety.  I don’t think he is a fan of Assad or Hezbollah.  He just wants to protect the Christians.  We are betrayed and tortured all over the world – even in the US.  The Atheists are taking over our kids.
     Look at the Christians of Iraq and the handful of Christians left in Jerusalem, the Christians in Eygpt – our girls are getting rapped, our youth are getting killed, and our homes are being robbed.
     Lebanon is the only hope for Eastern churches.  Please keep religion out of all politics nonsense. 

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      he was planning to visit washington DC but it was refused after his illthought comments in Paris….also, his visit was downgraded to a mere religious tour..

      i agree with you he as a religious figure should stayed out of politics but he didn’t and obviously he does not agree with you, in every visit he is reiterating political views of the sunni monster out to get the christians.. ba3den it is too late he visited  some political figures in France and so cannot rewind events back.

      again, this fear of the christian safety from sunnis has no basis whatsoever especially IN LEBANON and facts/reality confirms this.
      he would not have said Assad is a good man and that we should give him more chance if he was not a fan…other wise he is being hypocrite and that is not a befiting to a person in his position..

       the christians in the east are not all catholic and maronites so he should not be expressing somethings on their behalf anyway.

      the christians in Iraq were more in number and supported the sunni leader before the american invation backed by Irani murshed that resulted in christian migration…the govt in iraq now is heavily supported by Iran,,a shiite muslim NOT sunni extremist.

      the christians in Egypt are in a different basket, because they had trouble with their fellow citizens before the Arab spring…ba3den they have been in egypt for a long time and they are still there, no one exterminated them and no one will…because the egyptians are sunnis.

      the christians in Lebanon…well they weren’t the only one who suffered, migrated, whose homes and families destroyed…but you should know more then anyone because you are lebanese [i assume] who was behind the suffering and the destruction of all lebanese poeple and their country…it is certainly not the sunni extremist…

      to believe the propaganda that Assad keeps pumping into some brains if anything goes against the morals of the church that you are supposed to follow.

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      I agree with the last three paragraphs of your post but, trust me, the U.S. administration refused to meet him while every time Patriarch Sfair came here, he was welcomed at the White House.  The administration is displeased with what he had to say and, just to save face, it is being portrayed as his mission is purely religious.  Neither you nor anybody else can persuade me that his communique about Assad and Hezbollah are good for me, as a Lebanese Christian nor is it conducive to Christian – Sunni & Druze relations.  He repeated himself in the Spiritual Summit and thought no one would hear but we all know that there was no misinterpretation of his Paris statements but repetition of the same.  It does not matter to me if he is a patriarch because I will criticize the Pope, if he were to say anything wrong.

      Christians of the East are in deep trouble and being soft on radicals like Shiite Hezbollah or Sunni Salafites and their planned Islamic state in Lebanon and dictators like Assad will not help.  

      The proof that what Rai said is wrong is the fact that Hezbollah and the Aounies are supporting him.  This is the biggest proof that shows the errors of his ways.  I am deeply disappointed in him and anyone who supports his feeble stand.

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      you call yourself christians? you guys worship Some saint you made up call Charbel. you people worship him and pray to him as if he is your God. You hardly acknowledge Jesus but you worship Mary. Most of the Maronite Churches i go to 1/2 of the women dress like whores trying to get someones attentions. Many of them cheat on each other and they gossip about each other after the service is over. You guys are the causes of the problems in Lebanon. You allowed the palestinians in Lebanon then you fought them hard to get them out. You befriended Israel at the expenese of other christians and what did come out of this alliance. Your partriach should not have opened his mouth about politics period. Why don’t he and Aoun defends the Christians rights in Jubeil and other areas in East Beirut where its overrun by HA and their slave Aoun. There is nothing ethical about what you guys do in churches most of your priest sleep with the nuns..
      so what his majesty visited you is that going to change your mentality.. stop worshipping the devil and stick to the father, son and holy ghost..

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Nagging?? Hmmmmm … sounds like you need a dose of Baptist Church … 😉

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          You made a typo!  It is called the Badtist Church.  They with the Jehovah’s Nuttnesses and the Morons, Nutter Day Ain’ts are the real crazies.   Oh!  I forget the Seventh Day Inventionists who claim that Jesus sat at the right hand of the Father in 1833.

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        What Maronite churches you went to? I like to attend Mass there, they seem more interesting than the church I go to … I’m always looking for some strange. That is what coffee hour is politics and gossip, it is the American way.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Nothing like ‘Fellowship’ hour, eh Libnan ? 🙂

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          the ones in Orange County and Anaheim and others too. nothing but lucifers there.

      3. Avatar
        Anonymous

        spoken like a true “born again christian” I assume you dont believe in intercession…. would I be crazy to assume this?
        how is it that Jesus interceded on behalf of all of humanity then? you do believe that, dont you?
        how is asking “mar charbel” or “mar maroun” or “el 3adra” or whoever else to pray on your behalf equated to worshiping them? explain yourself please.

        the whole idea of christianity is bogus without intercession, so chose your words carefully “mr christian”.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          For the first time you made sense Balash…..:) This nagy_m dude is way up tight. I hope mar Charbel and Aoun straighten him out.  

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          your mar charbel and aoun are fake and there is not sainthoode about either one of them. you guys worship pictures and there is hardly any mention of Charbel in the bible. stop making him a saint. Maybe he has done lots of good in his past life, but that don’t qualify you people to appoint him saint. The same for your belove Libnan1 Aoun the devil worshiper.

        3. Avatar
          Anonymous

          nagy_michael2,You are an heretic i.e. Protestant and have no right to write about Christianity.  Only Apostolic Churches are in the right while you Protestants ignore that we decided what the Bible is (compiled the Canon).  Further, you ignore the teachings of the Church Fathers who came immediately after the Apostles.  Because of your stupid interpretation of the Bible, there are more heretic Protestant sects and cults than there are Protestants.You are right only when it comes to Michel Aoun.

      4. geo metro Avatar
        geo metro

        i have no desire to argue for the sport of it but from a scripture point of view you are 100% correct,
        there is repeated and very strong language throughout the bible indicating the use of images of any kind being a no no

        A Clear Bible TeachingGod’s Law forbade making images as objects of worship. The second of the Ten Commandments decreed: “You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.” (Exodus 20:4, 5) The inspired Christian Scriptures also command: “You must keep clear of idolatry.”—1 Corinthians 10:14.
        True, many insist that their use of images in worship is not idolatry. Orthodox Christians, for example, often deny that they actually worship the icons before which they bow, kneel, and pray. An Orthodox priest wrote: “We pay respect to them because they are holy objects, and because we reverence what the Icons depict.”
        Still, the question remains: Does God approve the use of icons for the purpose of even so-called indirect veneration? Nowhere does the Bible authorize such a practice. When the Israelites set up an image of a calf, allegedly for the purpose of venerating God, he expressed his strong disapproval, saying that they had apostatized.—
        God now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people whom you led up out of the land of Egypt have acted ruinously Exodus 32:7

        What, though, about the veneration of individuals, such as Mary or “saints”? Jesus, responding to a temptation from Satan, referred to Deuteronomy 6:13 and said: “You must worship the Lord your God, and serve him alone.” (Matthew 4:10) He later said that true worshipers would worship “the Father,” no one else. (John 4:23) Realizing this, an angel reprimanded the apostle John for attempting to worship him, saying:  “Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who are prophets and of those who are observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.” Revelation 22:9.
        Is it proper to pray to Jesus’ earthly mother, Mary, or to particular “saints,” asking them to intercede with God in one’s behalf? The Bible’s direct answer is: “There is only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ Jesus.”—1 Timothy 2:5.
        Safeguard Your Relationship With God Your Relationship With God The use of icons in worship, being against the clear teaching of the Bible, cannot help people to win God’s approval and gain salvation. On the contrary, Jesus said that everlasting life depends upon our taking in knowledge of the only true God, becoming acquainted with his matchless personality as well as with his purposes and dealings with humans. (John 17:3) Icons that do not see, feel, or speak do not help one to know God and to worship him acceptably. (Psalm 115:4-8) That most important education is available only through a study of God’s Word, the Bible.
        Besides affording no benefit, icon worship may be spiritually dangerous. How so? First and foremost, it can cause a breach in one’s relationship with God. Regarding Israel, who “angered him with abominable idols,” God foretold: “I will hide my face from them.” (Deuteronomy 32:16, 20, The New American Bible) Rebuilding their relationship with God meant their ‘spurning sinful idols.’—Isaiah 31:6, 7, NAB.
        How appropriate, therefore, the Scriptural counsel: “My little children, be on your guard against idols”!—1 John 5:21, NAB.
         

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Come on, Geo … Sport is good for the soul. 🙂

      5. Avatar
        Anonymous

        I did not notice this post that proves you are a 7maar (donkey – ass).  You are not a Christian; you are Protestant who are hypocrites.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Protestants do not worship idols like you do and they’re more logical about religion and true to their religion unlike you.
          You go to church and you pray then you come out and act the same way. there is not christians about your morales and values. You curse outside the church and women eye each other clothe and how fancy they look. Men eyeing these women as if they’re their properties. Charbel who damn it? you have all saints then you forgot to worship the true God Jesus Christ. IN fact all hypocrites like you worship Mary the fictional mother of Jesus. You believe an eye for an eye and in fact Christians in Lebanon killed each other more than muslims did. there is not christians about you and all you care about yourself and never cared about Lebanon.

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Hey hey folks … let’s not be trying to divide the Christians AGAIN … you want us to be like the Muslims?? 😉
            Besides, Henry 8th had enough problems with a Pope … and even the Irish are trying to keep it quiet these days. 😉
          The struggle to get these silly translations of a book OUT of national politics is bad enough without dumping on the coffee & sandwiches …

      6. Avatar
        Anonymous

        “your mar charbel and aoun are fake and there is not sainthoode about either one of them…………… bla bla bla ………….. The same for your belove Libnan1 Aoun the devil worshiper”

        how come you didnt answer any of the questions I asked you and went on a crazy tangeant? did I strike a nerve? did I say something you havent thought about?
        what a comeback… I see not one ounce of intelligence in you. never the less, I couldnt care one ioda about your personal beliefs but you are acting like a muslim telling people who’s a real christian and who isnt.
        have you even read the Bible? “matthew 7 1-5″( I am not putting the words here cause you need to do some work if I am to educate you), you think you are acting christian like by sitting in judgement of other christians? show me where the Bible ever condoned such behavior, otherwise I tell you what Jesus told all in matthew 10:14.
        I didnt judge you, that’s why I asked you a few questions, but you didnt answer, is it cause you have no answers?
        “mr christian”

  8. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    the patriach rai statement has a big reaction allover the world, there are 10 milions lebaneese worldwide in africa, brazil, us, canada, europe worldwide and most are christians and most are succefull hard working,well eaducated, and they controle buissiness and major corporations worldwide, and they do listen to the patriach who has a lot of influence on the christian communities in lebanon and world wide , as a chritian i believe the patriach has a responsibility to say the right thing and to stand  up to the values of the church and christianity regardless of the price , dictatorship is evil and the patriach and the church should be against evil dowers anywhere in the world ; the christian should lead the fight against the dictatorships  regardless of the price they will pay ;
    also the patriach should contact the us official and clarify his statement in line with the us policy; and get advised and approval of what he should say from us officials ; before he makes political statement ,
    because the lebaneese christians world wide support the us ,and democracy and freedom of religions
    and human rights for all people ; the patriach should be in line with the us policy , otherwise lebaneese christians world wide will disagree with him ;until he change his statement about supporting dictatorship, who kill his own innocent people , because that iswrong from him to say. that is is not what the church stands for, that is not what the christians lebaneese and world wide stands for , that is not what democracy stands for ; minorities in the middleast of allsect including christians , will be safer and treated better under a democratic state system ; the lebaneese christians and middleast christians and minorities should lead the fight aginst dictatorships any where in the middleast and , shall not rest until they defeat all dictatorships and democracy prevail not only in lebanon ,but also in the middleast and the rest of the world .

  9. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    the patriach rai statement has a big reaction allover the world, there are 10 milions lebaneese worldwide in africa, brazil, us, canada, europe worldwide and most are christians and most are succefull hard working,well eaducated, and they controle buissiness and major corporations worldwide, and they do listen to the patriach who has a lot of influence on the christian communities in lebanon and world wide , as a chritian i believe the patriach has a responsibility to say the right thing and to stand  up to the values of the church and christianity regardless of the price , dictatorship is evil and the patriach and the church should be against evil dowers anywhere in the world ; the christian should lead the fight against the dictatorships  regardless of the price they will pay ;
    also the patriach should contact the us official and clarify his statement in line with the us policy; and get advised and approval of what he should say from us officials ; before he makes political statement ,
    because the lebaneese christians world wide support the us ,and democracy and freedom of religions
    and human rights for all people ; the patriach should be in line with the us policy , otherwise lebaneese christians world wide will disagree with him ;until he change his statement about supporting dictatorship, who kill his own innocent people , because that iswrong from him to say. that is is not what the church stands for, that is not what the christians lebaneese and world wide stands for , that is not what democracy stands for ; minorities in the middleast of allsect including christians , will be safer and treated better under a democratic state system ; the lebaneese christians and middleast christians and minorities should lead the fight aginst dictatorships any where in the middleast and , shall not rest until they defeat all dictatorships and democracy prevail not only in lebanon ,but also in the middleast and the rest of the world .

  10. Avatar
    Anonymous

    the patriach rai statement has a big reaction allover the world there are 10 milions lebaneese worldwide in africa brazil us canada europe worldwide and most are christians and most are succefull hard working eaducated controle buissiness and corporations  world wide, and they do listen to the patriach who has a lot of influence on the christian communities in lebanon and world wide , as a chritian i believe the patriach has a responsibility to say the right thing and to stand  up to the values of the church and christianity regardless of the price , dictatorship is evil and the patriach and the church should be against evil dowers anywhere in the world ; the christian should lead the fight against the dictatorships  regardless of the price they will pay ;
    also the patriach should contact the us official and clarify his statement in line with the us policy
    because the lebaneese christians world wide , we support the us , the democracy and freedom of religions
    and human rights ; the patriach should be in line with the us policy , otherwise lebaneese christians world wide should tell hom that they disagree with him ;until he change his statement about supporting dictatorship , because that wrong from him to say.

  11. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    I’m glad Batrach Rai is not going to meet anyone in Washington except maybe Rahal in non official manner while visiting the Midwest. Bravo Batrackna, screw Washington politicians. They are worthless anyway. Who were you going to meet anyway Hilari or Obama !!!! so they can tell you a story. Sfeir meet with them many times and nothing came out of his meeting but disasters to Lebanon. We’ll remember them next year in voting booth……   

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    Anonymous

    I’m glad Batrach Rai is not going to meet anyone in Washington except maybe Rahal in non official manner while visiting the Midwest. Bravo Batrackna, screw Washington politicians. They are worthless anyway. Who were you going to meet anyway Hilari or Obama !!!! so they can tell you a story. Sfeir meet with them many times and nothing came out of his meeting but disasters to Lebanon. We’ll remember them next year in voting booth……   

  13. JoAnna1970 Avatar
    JoAnna1970

    nagy_michael2, it is not nice to bad mouth the priests and the nuns, and to call people whores.  Before we accuse anyone of a sin, we should look deep in our hearts and clean our own selves first.  If women dress improperly for the masses, God should be the only one to judge them.  Instead of looking at them with lusty eyes, pray for them – God will hear your prayers if they are coming from the heart with clear conscious.  

    Mother Mary is holy because she held Jesus in her womb.  St. Charbel, St. Maron. St. Ne3mat Allah, St. Rafqa and all the other Saints were blessed by Jesus and given the power to perform miracles – something that you and I do not have.  Please read all the documented miracles done by Saints before you belittle them. No true Christians will say things to offend other fellow Christians.
    Antar2011, A Religious visit is not a downgrade from a political one; it is actually the other way around. 

     And to answer your question, I am a Lebanese Catholic (Malkite) who left her land at a very early age, and hope to return one day.  Even though I was blessed not to witness the war, but my parents and grandparents always educated us about what is going on in or homeland. 

     Most all religions had a swing at poor Christians, Jews, Muslims (Sunnis and Shiites), Druze, and in some case Christians against Christians.  Now days, even Buddhists and Atheists are fighting Christians.

    I personally not a fan of any of the present Lebanese political figures – they all have bloody hands. 

    I am one of these poor Lebanese common people tortured by all political parties.  Hezbollah took our land, my God-brother was kidnapped by the Syrian army and we have not heard back from him for more than 20 years.  My cousin was killed in Al-Safra by another Christian, and my grandmother always reminds us of the 16 members of our extended family who were slained by Druze bil Jabal.  JaaJaa killed innocent army majors and innocents in Saydit Al Najat, Aoun betrayed the Christians, and the list goes on and on.

     Unfortunately, we have no clean leaders that I know off.  Even Mr. Al Rafique Al Harriri, I heard stories that no man can be proud of.

    Sadly, I have no hope that my kids will ever see their ancestors land, and thanks to all those in power.  My only hope is to raise them to be good Lebanese/Americans Christians and to hold Christ in their heart and mind and to represent their country to the best of their abilities. 

    So please, kindly leave the religion and religious figure out of the dirty politics, and lets all pray for a clean healthy Lebanon where we can all live in peace, Christians, Muslims, and Druze. 

    1. libnan1 Avatar
      libnan1

      JoAnna, very moving record of events similar to mine. God bless you.

    2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      JoAnna I am sorry about what happened to your family but Charbel was not blessed by Jesus because we have centuries difference when the two were born. As far as spiritual blessings that’s your beliefs and again no mention of these so called saints in the bible please. I saw so many corruptions in the church it made me ashamed to go there. I am not here to attack you personally and I was merely point out that Rhai spoke politics and many in M8 supporters supported his views and talked about his rights to speak. But when Sfeir spoke he was told to shut the hell up. I don’t support these muslims extremists either. I am sure they’re lots of good people from all religion. But to me I have not since hypocricy as much as I saw from the Orthodox and catholics. I am sure the jews who are extremists are no different to me thatn Qaedaa. Sorry but God said to worship the father, son and holy ghost. All else are false believers..Its not Rhai business to tell the French and everyone else that Hezbollah is entitled to keep their weapons as long we have occupied land. First the farms belongs to Syria and the latter has not signed over these freakin farms. Besides Syria hurt christians more than any muslims and also they occupy lebanon still in many areas. So why don’t ask Rhai to stop talking politics then and spread the word of God not whether i am comfortable with a dictator in Syria who is killing his own people so he can stay in power.

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        Listen dude, you are saying exactly what you are criticizing Rai for. Believe it or not he has you in mind when he says Christians, so you are included. Whoever Rai had in mind will not distinguish between Catholics or Protestants.
        You can dislike the behaviors of some of us but that does not mean all church attendees are the same. You might be little jealous that no girls at that church checked you out or were responsive to your attitude. That might give me a hint that you might fat, ugly or both…..What were you doing at a Maronite church anyway?    

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          The problem is these are sensitive times and to me he should have said that Christians need to be protected no matter what regime is in place. Its he was supportive of Assad regime and that makes him guilty. He should have said we stay out of it however we’re afraid for the security of the christians. I am with their plight for sure and i can see what happened in Iraq. But also in Iraq many shiites and sunnis butchered each other and the gov’t in control could not even protect them let alone protect Christians. so he should advise christians to stand strong and help anyone who needs it and do not interfere in the current polititics. As far as the churches, dude all the one i went to were like that. and As far as getting any girls with all due respect to women i don’t fantasize about them in church like you do it seems. Second i just had sex with a beautiful columbian girl and she is good..eat your heart out..

        2. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @nagy_m, You’re the man ….:) I’m happy for you. I’m married but that never stopped me from looking if you know what I mean …:) Columbian ….!!! waooo. You could have had a Lebanese if you regularly  go to the Maronite church ….:) You’re OK, just take easy on Aoun. Just think about it, 700 years from now none of this will matter. I might just have to stay in the purgatory little long than you

        3. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @nagy_m, You’re the man ….:) I’m happy for you. I’m married but that never stopped me from looking if you know what I mean …:) Columbian ….!!! waooo. You could have had a Lebanese if you regularly  go to the Maronite church ….:) You’re OK, just take easy on Aoun. Just think about it, 700 years from now none of this will matter. I might just have to stay in the purgatory little long than you

        4. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Ahhh .. Columbian … wink wink, nudge nudge … hmmm .. think there’s any connection with Hezzy’s special ‘crops’ in the Bekka ? 😉

        5. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Ahhh .. Columbian … wink wink, nudge nudge … hmmm .. think there’s any connection with Hezzy’s special ‘crops’ in the Bekka ? 😉

      2. shankarees Avatar
        shankarees

        Don’t speak about Jesus because you are not qualified.  You are an heretic Protestant who should be burned at the stake.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          with all due respect how do you qualify if you are judging and condeming nagy to be burned at the stake?

        2. shankarees Avatar
          shankarees

          I am a Catholic and a theologian and he is heretical/Protestant so I automatically qualify.  I want him to burn at the stake to purify his blasphemous heretical statements against the real Church.

      3. shankarees Avatar
        shankarees

        Don’t speak about Jesus because you are not qualified.  You are an heretic Protestant who should be burned at the stake.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          with all due respect how do you qualify if you are judging and condeming nagy to be burned at the stake?

        2. shankarees Avatar
          shankarees

          I am a Catholic and a theologian and he is heretical/Protestant so I automatically qualify.  I want him to burn at the stake to purify his blasphemous heretical statements against the real Church.

    3. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      THANK YOU JoAnna …

    4. geo metro Avatar
      geo metro

      joanna, greetings to you and thanks for sharing very personal and painfull experience . no doubt something is seriously wrong with the whole picture simply based on the results that you and others would point to.
       i strongly  encourage you  libnan1,nagy and others to look for your answers and encouragements  from your own bibles.

      the fruitage of the christian spirit is love, joy,peace, long suffering, kindness, good faith, mildness and self control galatians 5,23. this should be the guide line  and style in how we view and treat others.

      just like the old days leaders are impure in their thinking and often only represent one group and leave the other in the cold. the example below points to jesus view and compassion was towards ALL people not 1 specific group.

      Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity. 36 On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd. 37 Then he said to his disciples: “Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. 38 Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.” Matthew 9:35-38
       on getting out, he saw a great crowd, but he was moved with pity for them, because they were as sheep without a shepherd. And he started to teach them many things. Mark 6:34

      i realize that this subject and the use of scriptures is sometimes not fashionable and frowned on but i offer no appology for using it as it should be the only authority in defining what a christian view should be and is not as bad as calling a fellow christian a donkey.

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        Thank you Geo for the beautiful words of wisdom.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          thanks libnan1 no credits for me friend, i am just a wannabe that falls and stumbles everyday trying live up to  a great example 😉

        2. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          thanks libnan1 no credits for me friend, i am just a wannabe that falls and stumbles everyday trying live up to  a great example 😉

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Yes, thanks Geo. All good. 
         And the beach REALLY is the best place … to get away from the ‘interpreters’ at least. 🙂 And to contemplate.
          So … for those who think clothing counts for something, (naggy-m, etc 😉 I’ll just add something from the ‘Gnostic Gospel of Thomas’ – something about freedom – a ‘Quote’ from Jesus in the older ‘books’ – which I take to heart as often as possible. 🙂
        “His disciples asked, ‘When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?’ 
        Jesus answered, ‘When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid.’”
        And you know? It works … freedom is in the mind, after all. 🙂
        And in nature, the most wonderful church imaginable.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          welcome back 5th, how was your beach session be carefull with that sun you  must be looking like one of the cosbys by now .lol

        2. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          welcome back 5th, how was your beach session be carefull with that sun you  must be looking like one of the cosbys by now .lol

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Well … better than the ‘farmer’s tan’ … one needs to consider some parts and the ‘no burn’ rule. 😉

  14. Avatar
    Anonymous

    nagy_michael2, it is not nice to bad mouth the priests and the nuns, and to call people whores.  Before we accuse anyone of a sin, we should look deep in our hearts and clean our own selves first.  If women dress improperly for the masses, God should be the only one to judge them.  Instead of looking at them with lusty eyes, pray for them – God will hear your prayers if they are coming from the heart with clear conscious.  

    Mother Mary is holy because she held Jesus in her womb.  St. Charbel, St. Maron. St. Ne3mat Allah, St. Rafqa and all the other Saints were blessed by Jesus and given the power to perform miracles – something that you and I do not have.  Please read all the documented miracles done by Saints before you belittle them. No true Christians will say things to offend other fellow Christians.
    Antar2011, A Religious visit is not a downgrade from a political one; it is actually the other way around. 

     And to answer your question, I am a Lebanese Catholic (Malkite) who left her land at a very early age, and hope to return one day.  Even though I was blessed not to witness the war, but my parents and grandparents always educated us about what is going on in or homeland. 

     Most all religions had a swing at poor Christians, Jews, Muslims (Sunnis and Shiites), Druze, and in some case Christians against Christians.  Now days, even Buddhists and Atheists are fighting Christians.

    I personally not a fan of any of the present Lebanese political figures – they all have bloody hands. 

    I am one of these poor Lebanese common people tortured by all political parties.  Hezbollah took our land, my God-brother was kidnapped by the Syrian army and we have not heard back from him for more than 20 years.  My cousin was killed in Al-Safra by another Christian, and my grandmother always reminds us of the 16 members of our extended family who were slained by Druze bil Jabal.  JaaJaa killed innocent army majors and innocents in Saydit Al Najat, Aoun betrayed the Christians, and the list goes on and on.

     Unfortunately, we have no clean leaders that I know off.  Even Mr. Al Rafique Al Harriri, I heard stories that no man can be proud of.

    Sadly, I have no hope that my kids will ever see their ancestors land, and thanks to all those in power.  My only hope is to raise them to be good Lebanese/Americans Christians and to hold Christ in their heart and mind and to represent their country to the best of their abilities. 

    So please, kindly leave the religion and religious figure out of the dirty politics, and lets all pray for a clean healthy Lebanon where we can all live in peace, Christians, Muslims, and Druze. 

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      JoAnna, very moving record of events similar to mine. God bless you.

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      JoAnna I am sorry about what happened to your family but Charbel was not blessed by Jesus because we have centuries difference when the two were born. As far as spiritual blessings that’s your beliefs and again no mention of these so called saints in the bible please. I saw so many corruptions in the church it made me ashamed to go there. I am not here to attack you personally and I was merely point out that Rhai spoke politics and many in M8 supporters supported his views and talked about his rights to speak. But when Sfeir spoke he was told to shut the hell up. I don’t support these muslims extremists either. I am sure they’re lots of good people from all religion. But to me I have not since hypocricy as much as I saw from the Orthodox and catholics. I am sure the jews who are extremists are no different to me thatn Qaedaa. Sorry but God said to worship the father, son and holy ghost. All else are false believers..Its not Rhai business to tell the French and everyone else that Hezbollah is entitled to keep their weapons as long we have occupied land. First the farms belongs to Syria and the latter has not signed over these freakin farms. Besides Syria hurt christians more than any muslims and also they occupy lebanon still in many areas. So why don’t ask Rhai to stop talking politics then and spread the word of God not whether i am comfortable with a dictator in Syria who is killing his own people so he can stay in power.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Listen dude, you are saying exactly what you are criticizing Rai for. Believe it or not he has you in mind when he says Christians, so you are included. Whoever Rai had in mind will not distinguish between Catholics or Protestants.
        You can dislike the behaviors of some of us but that does not mean all church attendees are the same. You might be little jealous that no girls at that church checked you out or were responsive to your attitude. That might give me a hint that you might fat, ugly or both…..What were you doing at a Maronite church anyway?    

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          The problem is these are sensitive times and to me he should have said that Christians need to be protected no matter what regime is in place. Its he was supportive of Assad regime and that makes him guilty. He should have said we stay out of it however we’re afraid for the security of the christians. I am with their plight for sure and i can see what happened in Iraq. But also in Iraq many shiites and sunnis butchered each other and the gov’t in control could not even protect them let alone protect Christians. so he should advise christians to stand strong and help anyone who needs it and do not interfere in the current polititics. As far as the churches, dude all the one i went to were like that. and As far as getting any girls with all due respect to women i don’t fantasize about them in church like you do it seems. Second i just had sex with a beautiful columbian girl and she is good..eat your heart out..

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          @nagy_m, You’re the man ….:) I’m happy for you. I’m married but that never stopped me from looking if you know what I mean …:) Columbian ….!!! waooo. You could have had a Lebanese if you regularly  go to the Maronite church ….:) You’re OK, just take easy on Aoun. Just think about it, 700 years from now none of this will matter. I might just have to stay in the purgatory little long than you

        3. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Ahhh .. Columbian … wink wink, nudge nudge … hmmm .. think there’s any connection with Hezzy’s special ‘crops’ in the Bekka ? 😉

        4. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Ahhh .. Columbian … wink wink, nudge nudge … hmmm .. think there’s any connection with Hezzy’s special ‘crops’ in the Bekka ? 😉

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Don’t speak about Jesus because you are not qualified.  You are an heretic Protestant who should be burned at the stake.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          with all due respect how do you qualify if you are judging and condeming nagy to be burned at the stake?

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          I am a Catholic and a theologian and he is heretical/Protestant so I automatically qualify.  I want him to burn at the stake to purify his blasphemous heretical statements against the real Church.

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      THANK YOU JoAnna …

    4. geo metro Avatar
      geo metro

      joanna, greetings to you and thanks for sharing very personal and painfull experience . no doubt something is seriously wrong with the whole picture simply based on the results that you and others would point to.
       i strongly  encourage you  libnan1,nagy and others to look for your answers and encouragements  from your own bibles.

      the fruitage of the christian spirit is love, joy,peace, long suffering, kindness, good faith, mildness and self control galatians 5,23. this should be the guide line  and style in how we view and treat others.

      just like the old days leaders are impure in their thinking and often only represent one group and leave the other in the cold. the example below points to jesus view and compassion was towards ALL people not 1 specific group.

      Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity. 36 On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd. 37 Then he said to his disciples: “Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. 38 Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.” Matthew 9:35-38
       on getting out, he saw a great crowd, but he was moved with pity for them, because they were as sheep without a shepherd. And he started to teach them many things. Mark 6:34

      i realize that this subject and the use of scriptures is sometimes not fashionable and frowned on but i offer no appology for using it as it should be the only authority in defining what a christian view should be and is not as bad as calling a fellow christian a donkey.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Thank you Geo for the beautiful words of wisdom.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          thanks libnan1 no credits for me friend, i am just a wannabe that falls and stumbles everyday trying live up to  a great example 😉

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Yes, thanks Geo. All good. 
         And the beach REALLY is the best place … to get away from the ‘interpreters’ at least. 🙂 And to contemplate.
          So … for those who think clothing counts for something, (naggy-m, etc 😉 I’ll just add something from the ‘Gnostic Gospel of Thomas’ – something about freedom – a ‘Quote’ from Jesus in the older ‘books’ – which I take to heart as often as possible. 🙂
        “His disciples asked, ‘When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?’ 
        Jesus answered, ‘When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid.’”
        And you know? It works … freedom is in the mind, after all. 🙂
        And in nature, the most wonderful church imaginable.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          welcome back 5th, how was your beach session be carefull with that sun you  must be looking like one of the cosbys by now .lol

        2. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          welcome back 5th, how was your beach session be carefull with that sun you  must be looking like one of the cosbys by now .lol

        3. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          welcome back 5th, how was your beach session be carefull with that sun you  must be looking like one of the cosbys by now .lol

        4. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Well … better than the ‘farmer’s tan’ … one needs to consider some parts and the ‘no burn’ rule. 😉

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