Editorial: A Palestinian state is a moral right

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Editorial: The Observer,

For the Zionist movement seeking an independent state of Israel, desire became reality in November 1947, when the General Assembly of the United Nations passed Resolution 181 supporting the establishment of a Jewish state in a partitioned Palestine.

That state was declared on 14 May 1948 by David Ben-Gurion and the Jewish people’s council in a Tel Aviv museum. The state of Israel was recognised that evening by President Truman of United States and by the Soviet Union a few days later.

More than six decades later, Palestinians, who at first refused to accept the partition plan of the newly minted UN, are seeking similar recognition, firstly in front of the Security Council, asking for their own state based on the 1967 borders free from occupation and settlement by half-a-million Israelis, able to determine their own affairs.

The idea of a Palestinian state should be uncontroversial. The United States supports the notion, as does the UK. Indeed, in his 2009 Cairo speech, President Barack Obama insisted: “Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s.”

Yet Obama appears determined to veto the move towards Palestinian statehood, while Britain has hinted it is likely to abstain in a Security Council vote.

Should the Palestinian request fail at the Security Council, it will then go to the General Assembly, where it seems likely that close to 130 states will vote to support a Palestinian resolution which will be able only to grant an enhanced status to become the equivalent of the Vatican – an “observer state”. It will, however, be a deeply symbolic moment providing a political, moral and diplomatic victory for the Palestinian cause that the world will find difficult to ignore.

It will, significantly, also allow Palestine to become a signatory to the International Criminal Court, permitting it to pursue claims against Israel.

While it seems certain that European countries such as France and Spain will support recognition, what is less clear is how the UK will vote in the General Assembly, amid increasing speculation that it might support an enhanced Palestinian status of “observer state” with the right to complain to the International Criminal Court, but only if cases cannot be raised retrospectively.

The objections to a Palestinian state – driven by Israel with the support of the US – are dangerous and transparently self-serving ones, not least in the midst of an Arab Spring where the US and Europe have tried to present themselves as being supporters of democracy, freedom and justice.

The only valid mechanism for the creation of a Palestinian state, this argument goes, is the ongoing peace process, but in fact it is a moribund peace process, which Israel has done its best to smother under the obstructionist leadership of Binyamin Netanyahu.

Equally contentious is the claim by some supporters of Israel that in seeking their own state through the declaration of the international community rather than direct talks, Palestinians are seeking to “delegitimise” Israel.

The reality is that what those opposing the moves at the UN are demanding is that Palestinians adhere to a non-existent peace process in the good faith that at some time it might be revived in the future under American guidance.

They also require Palestinians to refrain from moves that would expose the double standards of the White House and Congress which, while supporting a two-state solution in words, has not only failed to deliver one but now threatens actively to block that outcome.

Palestinians, this newspaper believes, are right to be wary of the vague promise that things might be better in a revived peace process at some unspecified time in the future. Despite Oslo and 20 years of peace negotiations, as comparison of maps makes only too clear, the space available for a Palestinian state has only shrunk with each passing decade as Israel has continued to appropriate more land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The actions of the Israeli army in the occupied territories, as the recent book of a decade’s worth of soldiers’ testimonies by the servicemen’s group Breaking the Silence has recently demonstrated, have not changed in the desire to control and disrupt ordinary Palestinian life on a daily basis.

The truth is that the occupation has become self-sustaining, both for the Israeli army which is implementing the policy, and for a partly militarised society and its politicians, who cannot persuade themselves to bring the occupation to an end.

There are risks, inevitably, in taking the issue of statehood to the UN, even in the end if it is only for the upgrading of its observer status. Moves on statehood threaten the long-fractious relationship between Fatah and Hamas, the latter of which opposes the statehood moves, particularly in its stronghold, Gaza, raising the risk of more political violence between the rival factions.

There is the danger, too, that the tactic will feel like a damp squib on the day after when Palestinians wake up to see nothing in their lives has changed.

But already the strategy has shed important light on a Middle East peace process in which a United States that has long cast itself as an impartial broker (while vetoing every crticism of Israel raised at the UN) is a far from neutral referee, even as its influence in the region has appeared diminished.

That new reality was dramatised last week with the explicit threat by Saudi Arabia that its important relationship with the US will be downgraded should America choose to use its veto. As in November 1947, we stand at a crossroads of history.

As British ministers deliberate how they will vote in the Security Council, they are confronted with the choice between what is morally right – supporting a Palestinian state – and hypocrisy justified in the name of pragmatism.

The state of Israel was founded amid risk and uncertainty, which those who supported it fully recognised. They did not argue that a Jewish homeland was possible only in the most ideal and secure conditions. That argument should not be used to further delay Palestinian statehood.

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46 responses to “Editorial: A Palestinian state is a moral right”

  1. Unfortunately the only way for a real change is if the people request it. The Housing protests in Israel are happening because the people are fed up with the high prices of living in Tel Aviv and around the country. If people protest then the government will be forced to listen and if not then they will be overthrown or it will go in that direction. The only way to create a good relationship between the Palestinians and Israelis is by Human Rights and mutual respect for each other. How would people in Tel Aviv feel if the city was blockaded and only 100 trucks of rice and wheat could enter every day. No chocolate, cement or even candy could enter without permession from the “Palestinians”. How would Israelis like it if they were confined to Tel Aviv for years while being blockaded on the shores from entering or leaving the country by sea. How would Israel like it if Palestinian F-16s bombed Tel Aviv and Haifa killing 1,200 civilians including 300 young Jewish children. How would people in Israel feel if they had not only 1 Gilad Shalit but 10,000 of them in prisons run by the Palestinian Authority, and including the detention of thousands of young Israeli settler teens held in prisons for years in the West Bank without hearing from their families just for throwing rocks at a Palestinian patrol occupying their settlement. The real way to peace is treating other countries like you would like them to treat yours as well as applying the basic Human Rights to your country and to the neighbouring countries. Israel has a somewhat good record of applying human rights to their own people but they lack the compassion in doing so in regards to their neighbours.

    Israel needs to pay compensation to the Palestinians just like the Germans payed the Jews for the crimes done by the Nazis. A right of return to all Palestinian diaspora must be allowed whether it will be to the newly formed Palestinian state or a binational state. It should be a binational state where Arabs and Jews live together peacefully and even intermarry without discrimination. Something like post aparthied South Africa. The 3 billion dollar foreign aid must be stopped and Israel needs to be self reliant. Getting millitary aid comes with conditions and orders from Washington DC. So cancelling the foreign aid can create a more grass roots human rights based israeli set of policy makers rather than millitary chiefs that discuss how they will use all the new weapons given by US foreign aid.

    War mongering people like Shimon Peres must be stripped of power and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. People who have a hidden interest to put Arabs and Israelis into wars in order to create a “biblical end of days prophecy” should really get their heads checked. About half the Israeli prime ministers were freemasons and the president is a Jesuit. No different than the Evangelicals who believe Israel will be destroyed in a big war bla bla bla. People need to take away the fixed idea of there can be no peace because of the Muslims or Jews. They need to stop aiding the self fulfilling prophecy of a bogus biblical war. People need to really understand Human Rights and basic human values so they can sit down and form a settlement where both people can win.

    The PLO, Labor Party, Peres and Arafat were all in bed with each other. All the people that died did so for no reason other than fighting for what they believed in or in some cases even forced to do so.

  2. Unfortunately the only way for a real change is if the people request it. The Housing protests in Israel are happening because the people are fed up with the high prices of living in Tel Aviv and around the country. If people protest then the government will be forced to listen and if not then they will be overthrown or it will go in that direction. The only way to create a good relationship between the Palestinians and Israelis is by Human Rights and mutual respect for each other. How would people in Tel Aviv feel if the city was blockaded and only 100 trucks of rice and wheat could enter every day. No chocolate, cement or even candy could enter without permession from the “Palestinians”. How would Israelis like it if they were confined to Tel Aviv for years while being blockaded on the shores from entering or leaving the country by sea. How would Israel like it if Palestinian F-16s bombed Tel Aviv and Haifa killing 1,200 civilians including 300 young Jewish children. How would people in Israel feel if they had not only 1 Gilad Shalit but 10,000 of them in prisons run by the Palestinian Authority, and including the detention of thousands of young Israeli settler teens held in prisons for years in the West Bank without hearing from their families just for throwing rocks at a Palestinian patrol occupying their settlement. The real way to peace is treating other countries like you would like them to treat yours as well as applying the basic Human Rights to your country and to the neighbouring countries. Israel has a somewhat good record of applying human rights to their own people but they lack the compassion in doing so in regards to their neighbours.

    Israel needs to pay compensation to the Palestinians just like the Germans payed the Jews for the crimes done by the Nazis. A right of return to all Palestinian diaspora must be allowed whether it will be to the newly formed Palestinian state or a binational state. It should be a binational state where Arabs and Jews live together peacefully and even intermarry without discrimination. Something like post aparthied South Africa. The 3 billion dollar foreign aid must be stopped and Israel needs to be self reliant. Getting millitary aid comes with conditions and orders from Washington DC. So cancelling the foreign aid can create a more grass roots human rights based israeli set of policy makers rather than millitary chiefs that discuss how they will use all the new weapons given by US foreign aid.

    War mongering people like Shimon Peres must be stripped of power and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. People who have a hidden interest to put Arabs and Israelis into wars in order to create a “biblical end of days prophecy” should really get their heads checked. About half the Israeli prime ministers were freemasons and the president is a Jesuit. No different than the Evangelicals who believe Israel will be destroyed in a big war bla bla bla. People need to take away the fixed idea of there can be no peace because of the Muslims or Jews. They need to stop aiding the self fulfilling prophecy of a bogus biblical war. People need to really understand Human Rights and basic human values so they can sit down and form a settlement where both people can win.

    The PLO, Labor Party, Peres and Arafat were all in bed with each other. All the people that died did so for no reason other than fighting for what they believed in or in some cases even forced to do so.

  3. There will be no Pal state, never was, never will be. Israel needs to
    annex B and C for good and return control of area A to Jordan.(who is in
    control now of 80% of the original mandate and ruled the territories
    from 48-67.) This territory was taken in a defensive war and is rightly
    Israel’s in that regard as well as in historic claims.
    Since 67 the
    Pals have committed atrocities around the world.They have stabbed, shot,
    thrown rocks, kidnapped,extortion, suicide bombings,hijacked
    airlines,robbed the world of billions and billions and billions of
    dollars with nothing to show for it. tried to hijack a
    Olympics,practices youth indoctrination starting in grammar school,
    treats the land they have now terrible with raw sewage and overflowing
    landfills. They have caused civil unrest in at least 5 other countries
    throughout the years, and are the direct cause of what,3-4 wars,on top
    of the neighboring countries 4-5 attempts at war?
    They openly preach
    to the masses that they will not stop with a state and will continue to
    pursue Israel’s destruction.Period.They say they want a state completely
    free of Jews but demand they can send all their refugees to Israel,
    instead of the homeland they so desperately want? c’mon.
    Name 1 thing they have ever accomplished that benefits anyone else in this world.
    Name 1 treaty, law, accord, promise, trade, resolution or law whatever that they have EVER upheld their end of the agreement?
    If
    the Arabs in Israel are treated so bad(when they are treated better
    than in ANY Arab country)Why do they not want to move to a new Pal
    state?Same reason the Arabs in Jerusalem dont want to be part of a new
    Pal state
    Because they know it will be a failed terrorist state,nothing more.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Those ‘Areas’ are all mixed up – not contiguous properties – impossible to draw a line that means anything in a sense of division between 2 waring factors. Instead of living together AS MANY ACTUALLY DO, the protagonists (on both sides) have the ‘all or nothing at all’ mentalities of children. But there is no ‘innocence’ allowed – even to the heavily programmed children.

      1. At this point it would be best to take it all to the Jordan river,and give citizenship to those there.Declare Gaza a Pal enclave, and pay off the bums trying to claim RoR.

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Those ‘Areas’ are all mixed up – not contiguous properties – impossible to draw a line that means anything in a sense of division between 2 waring factors. Instead of living together AS MANY ACTUALLY DO, the protagonists (on both sides) have the ‘all or nothing at all’ mentalities of children. But there is no ‘innocence’ allowed – even to the heavily programmed children.

  4. There will be no Pal state, never was, never will be. Israel needs to
    annex B and C for good and return control of area A to Jordan.(who is in
    control now of 80% of the original mandate and ruled the territories
    from 48-67.) This territory was taken in a defensive war and is rightly
    Israel’s in that regard as well as in historic claims.
    Since 67 the
    Pals have committed atrocities around the world.They have stabbed, shot,
    thrown rocks, kidnapped,extortion, suicide bombings,hijacked
    airlines,robbed the world of billions and billions and billions of
    dollars with nothing to show for it. tried to hijack a
    Olympics,practices youth indoctrination starting in grammar school,
    treats the land they have now terrible with raw sewage and overflowing
    landfills. They have caused civil unrest in at least 5 other countries
    throughout the years, and are the direct cause of what,3-4 wars,on top
    of the neighboring countries 4-5 attempts at war?
    They openly preach
    to the masses that they will not stop with a state and will continue to
    pursue Israel’s destruction.Period.They say they want a state completely
    free of Jews but demand they can send all their refugees to Israel,
    instead of the homeland they so desperately want? c’mon.
    Name 1 thing they have ever accomplished that benefits anyone else in this world.
    Name 1 treaty, law, accord, promise, trade, resolution or law whatever that they have EVER upheld their end of the agreement?
    If
    the Arabs in Israel are treated so bad(when they are treated better
    than in ANY Arab country)Why do they not want to move to a new Pal
    state?Same reason the Arabs in Jerusalem dont want to be part of a new
    Pal state
    Because they know it will be a failed terrorist state,nothing more.

    1.  Avatar

      Those ‘Areas’ are all mixed up – not contiguous properties – impossible to draw a line that means anything in a sense of division between 2 waring factors. Instead of living together AS MANY ACTUALLY DO, the protagonists (on both sides) have the ‘all or nothing at all’ mentalities of children. But there is no ‘innocence’ allowed – even to the heavily programmed children.

      1. At this point it would be best to take it all to the Jordan river,and give citizenship to those there.Declare Gaza a Pal enclave, and pay off the bums trying to claim RoR.

  5. Unfortunately the only way for a real change is if the people request it. The Housing protests in Israel are happening because the people are fed up with the high prices of living in Tel Aviv and around the country. If people protest then the government will be forced to listen and if not then they will be overthrown or it will go in that direction. The only way to create a good relationship between the Palestinians and Israelis is by Human Rights and mutual respect for each other. How would people in Tel Aviv feel if the city was blockaded and only 100 trucks of rice and wheat could enter every day. No chocolate, cement or even candy could enter without permession from the “Palestinians”. How would Israelis like it if they were confined to Tel Aviv for years while being blockaded on the shores from entering or leaving the country by sea. How would Israel like it if Palestinian F-16s bombed Tel Aviv and Haifa killing 1,200 civilians including 300 young Jewish children. How would people in Israel feel if they had not only 1 Gilad Shalit but 10,000 of them in prisons run by the Palestinian Authority, and including the detention of thousands of young Israeli settler teens held in prisons for years in the West Bank without hearing from their families just for throwing rocks at a Palestinian patrol occupying their settlement. The real way to peace is treating other countries like you would like them to treat yours as well as applying the basic Human Rights to your country and to the neighbouring countries. Israel has a somewhat good record of applying human rights to their own people but they lack the compassion in doing so in regards to their neighbours.Israel needs to pay compensation to the Palestinians just like the Germans payed the Jews for the crimes done by the Nazis. A right of return to all Palestinian diaspora must be allowed whether it will be to the newly formed Palestinian state or a binational state. It should be a binational state where Arabs and Jews live together peacefully and even intermarry without discrimination. Something like post aparthied South Africa. The 3 billion dollar foreign aid must be stopped and Israel needs to be self reliant. Getting millitary aid comes with conditions and orders from Washington DC. So cancelling the foreign aid can create a more grass roots human rights based israeli set of policy makers rather than millitary chiefs that discuss how they will use all the new weapons given by US foreign aid.War mongering people like Shimon Peres must be stripped of power and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. People who have a hidden interest to put Arabs and Israelis into wars in order to create a “biblical end of days prophecy” should really get their heads checked. About half the Israeli prime ministers were freemasons and the president is a Jesuit. No different than the Evangelicals who believe Israel will be destroyed in a big war bla bla bla. People need to take away the fixed idea of there can be no peace because of the Muslims or Jews. They need to stop aiding the self fulfilling prophecy of a bogus biblical war. People need to really understand Human Rights and basic human values so they can sit down and form a settlement where both people can win.The PLO, Labor Party, Peres and Arafat were all in bed with each other. All the people that died did so for no reason other than fighting for what they believed in or in some cases even forced to do so.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Or … mostly … for what they are ‘educated’ to believe.

    2. Camille Mounteagles Avatar
      Camille Mounteagles

      @John1) after Sept. 2000 the Israelis got fed up with so called peace processes getting nowhere and the land for peace formula turning into a land for more violence so they voted more ‘nationalist’ parties in2) actually there exist good relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, it’s ‘only’ the political part which is problematic… the ordinary people are satisfied with the status quo and quietly live their difficult lives as long as there is not one more explosion of violence, on both sides people are tired, but the political leaders are eager to add a good mark in their resume for the sole benefit in future election, Obama had just said he wanted to make peace and he got the Nobel Price! now he and the Nobel Commitee are -I hope- embarassed3) once Tel Avivians start shooting indiscrimitately at peaceful civilians (which is a crime against humanity) we’ll act to stop them, for the time being they are the targets 4) Gilad Shalit is an hostage (the taking of hostage is a war crime) kept away and denied any visit, parcel or letter, or medical care. The prisoners in Israelis jails have been duly judged and found guilty (note that the Israeli courts have Western like standards meaning no arbitrary sanctions) they have killed or planned to kill mainly civilians, rocks do kill too, and they receive visits from family, lawyers, doctors, it’s possible to know if they eat well, if they get to go outside, if they are abused, etc. they are not cut off from their society, they can study and watch tv and read, etc. all those things are denied Gilad who killed no one ever, you are making a perverted comparison.BTW have you ever read how the Israelis POW have been treated by their oh so human rights savy neighbours?5) Tel Aviv and Haifa, along all the central area and the Gallilee have enjoyed the Saddam’s and Hezb.’s missiles… nobody has forgotten, to the greater enjoyment of their friendly Palestinians neighbours… did you notice that? That’s one difference between our cultures, when s.o. in the opposite camp is hurt we grieve, even if it’s a terrorist because it’s such a waste of life, and we think of his/her family too; the Arabs place civilians in harm’s way and they collect twice the dividend, once with our bruised feelings, then with their screams so well accepted and acted upon by the whole world against the evil bloodthirsty Israelis. very well planned and executed demonization, does that fit into the lines of your concept for peace?6) the terror attacks cost the Israeli taxpayer billions $ while the Palestinians receive record ‘humanitarian aid monies’ (more than any body on this planet, 19 times per capita more than the second on the recipients list) from Western countries and receive also ‘support of the resistance money’ to attack Israelis. They can’t loose when their war machine is so well fed. The brotherly Arab states created the whole situation by telling them to leave and additionally expelled their Jewish inhabitants and confiscated their wealth which was many times superior in value to that of the Arabs who fled Israel. Due compensation is part and parcel of the peace talks.Do you know that today Jews immigrate more to Israel because of abuse at the hands of the so called pro-Palestinians (they in reality are anti-Israel/Jews), +16 % from 2009 to 2010… to be housed, educated and provided with work the end result being that les and less Arab labor is needed7) Abbas said he doesn’t want the refugees in his territory (even those already in the WB’s UNRWA run camps), sure they are unable to sustain them, last year the PA wanted to draft a law criminalizing their constituents’ work in these hated settlements but they relented since they couldn’t offer these mere 25,000 persons (and their families) a source of income… so the millions to come will starve, tell that to the BDS crowds, some of the companies employing them are moving out, depriving them of work and offering their jobs to the Israelis. Some how I don’t think that’s the aim of their campaign. Without Western (the Arabs repeatedly forget to pay) donors’ money and employment in the settlements the PA controlled territory will dry like dead fish under the sun on the beach8) Arabs and Israelis already intermarry, but maybe you don’t know, Islam doesn’t allow their girls and women to marry a non Muslim and all the children born to a mixed couple are Muslims, so you pair 5 millions Jews with 1.4 billion of Muslims and there is no Jew left for the next generation (the Sharia law for dhimmis converts all orphans to Islam and gives them to Muslim families to be raised as Muslims (and be ill treated as cheap free laborers and despised for not being Muslim born, nice no?) -the Christians are treated likewise- So what do you mean ‘intermarry without discrimination’?9) yes let’s cancel foreign aid: the weapons are not ‘given’ to the Israelis, the money is lent and Israel must buy with it USA made goods thus paying back with jobs in the USA (additionally they are held up by the USA who forbid the Israelis to build concurrent goods and/or to sell them to any one that displeases them, e.g. a deal with China had to be cancelled) while the Palestinians spit in the face of the donors (after all they are these awful Western non-Muslims hated by Allah and this money is considered the Jiziya the non-Muslims are contrived to give the Muslims in exchange for their security, not that it means they are actually spared). When Israel was denied support they built their own needed arms, planes, etc. all high tech goods they can sell for hard cash, what will do the Palestinians without the hundreds of billions $ they receive ‘free’? emigrate?10) I didn’t understand the ‘Shimon Peres war mongering’ bit as he is considered very dovish and frankly all the following lines sound to me like the many conspiracy theories so in vogue…11) any way, as I said, ordinary people get along fine, politicians have their own specific kind of world in which they are obligated to deal with all the foreign politicians they like it or not, entertain them and keep a smooth diplomatic atmosphere in order to avoid damaging their countries’ interests and protecting their citizens. If you study a little bit history you will see that the international political scene is a very fragile grid, the Europeans grew weary of wars and that’s the reason for the creation of the European Union. The Middle-East is still very much aggressive and remains an already ever ignited powder keg. Your ideas to solve that seem very naive and dangerously so. Think the whole plan over again.Sorry I couldn’t address all your points.

      1. The ideas of creating a binational state or Palestinian state and promoting Human Rights might seem naive to the apathetic but it is the only way for real peace. The leaders from both sides have sold out their people for personal gain. Arafat did not care about his people. Peres doesn’t either. It’s because they work for the same people you never heard about and if you did hear about them then it was only to dismiss it as a conpiracy theory or a bunch of hogwash. Then you see the war continuing for years and decades while no one has the slightest clue of what’s really happening.They blame each other and it drags on. It’s because you’re not dealing with the genuine reality of things and decide to cherry pick what you want to believe. Ego, religion, fixed ideas and educational background may create a wall between a person and truth.

        You see, commoner or intellectual you can dismiss the real reason behind the Middle East’s wars as conspiracy theory. Once you finally hit the truth, you decide to dmiss it and reject it from ever being even a culprit to all the chaos. This will lead you to NOT REALLY finding out who is behind the crime but only finding out the henchmen. It is only discovering the puppets but not the puppet master.

        Israel as a state is destined to fail, it is made that way by design. So is the US unless the Federal Reserve system, AIPAC and the many other lobbyist and special interest groups get shut down. Parallels in history are seen in the USSR and Nazi Germany. They did not end up well. Behind every war, their is someone behind the scenes who is benefiting. It may be the weapons industry, worldwide banks, private institutions, corporations and drug companies. It’s all the above. But who is really behind all of them? That is the real question which you have failed to answer in your reply. All you did was try to prove some points wrong.

        I’m going to give you who is responsible for the wars in the Middle East on a silver platter. I’m going to spoon feed it to you and if you can’t accept what I’m going to give you then it is your loss. The outcome will be to live in denial and ignorance.

        The Jesuit Order of the Society of Jesus which has taken over the Vatican and Freemasonry is responsible for almost all major wars and conflicts for the last 400 years. Whether it was the Napoleonic wars, WWI/ WWII or the creation of Israel in order to try to create WWIII.

        They control the world politically from Washington DC, financially through the City of London and spiritually through the Vatican. Everyone is bound by their economic and political system of control and it has infiltrated every country that deals with the Uniform Commercial Code(based on Vatican canon law). The leaders of the Empire of Japan, the former USSR, Communist China/North Korea and the US are all on the same side playing by the same rules to reach the same destructive goal. Everything else going on in politics is who will get a bigger piece of the pie in regards to the control of populations and resources.

        And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

    3. Camille Mounteagles Avatar
      Camille Mounteagles

      @John1) after Sept. 2000 the Israelis got fed up with so called peace processes getting nowhere and the land for peace formula turning into a land for more violence so they voted more ‘nationalist’ parties in2) actually there exist good relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, it’s ‘only’ the political part which is problematic… the ordinary people are satisfied with the status quo and quietly live their difficult lives as long as there is not one more explosion of violence, on both sides people are tired, but the political leaders are eager to add a good mark in their resume for the sole benefit in future election, Obama had just said he wanted to make peace and he got the Nobel Price! now he and the Nobel Commitee are -I hope- embarassed3) once Tel Avivians start shooting indiscrimitately at peaceful civilians (which is a crime against humanity) we’ll act to stop them, for the time being they are the targets 4) Gilad Shalit is an hostage (the taking of hostage is a war crime) kept away and denied any visit, parcel or letter, or medical care. The prisoners in Israelis jails have been duly judged and found guilty (note that the Israeli courts have Western like standards meaning no arbitrary sanctions) they have killed or planned to kill mainly civilians, rocks do kill too, and they receive visits from family, lawyers, doctors, it’s possible to know if they eat well, if they get to go outside, if they are abused, etc. they are not cut off from their society, they can study and watch tv and read, etc. all those things are denied Gilad who killed no one ever, you are making a perverted comparison.BTW have you ever read how the Israelis POW have been treated by their oh so human rights savy neighbours?5) Tel Aviv and Haifa, along all the central area and the Gallilee have enjoyed the Saddam’s and Hezb.’s missiles… nobody has forgotten, to the greater enjoyment of their friendly Palestinians neighbours… did you notice that? That’s one difference between our cultures, when s.o. in the opposite camp is hurt we grieve, even if it’s a terrorist because it’s such a waste of life, and we think of his/her family too; the Arabs place civilians in harm’s way and they collect twice the dividend, once with our bruised feelings, then with their screams so well accepted and acted upon by the whole world against the evil bloodthirsty Israelis. very well planned and executed demonization, does that fit into the lines of your concept for peace?6) the terror attacks cost the Israeli taxpayer billions $ while the Palestinians receive record ‘humanitarian aid monies’ (more than any body on this planet, 19 times per capita more than the second on the recipients list) from Western countries and receive also ‘support of the resistance money’ to attack Israelis. They can’t loose when their war machine is so well fed. The brotherly Arab states created the whole situation by telling them to leave and additionally expelled their Jewish inhabitants and confiscated their wealth which was many times superior in value to that of the Arabs who fled Israel. Due compensation is part and parcel of the peace talks.Do you know that today Jews immigrate more to Israel because of abuse at the hands of the so called pro-Palestinians (they in reality are anti-Israel/Jews), +16 % from 2009 to 2010… to be housed, educated and provided with work the end result being that les and less Arab labor is needed7) Abbas said he doesn’t want the refugees in his territory (even those already in the WB’s UNRWA run camps), sure they are unable to sustain them, last year the PA wanted to draft a law criminalizing their constituents’ work in these hated settlements but they relented since they couldn’t offer these mere 25,000 persons (and their families) a source of income… so the millions to come will starve, tell that to the BDS crowds, some of the companies employing them are moving out, depriving them of work and offering their jobs to the Israelis. Some how I don’t think that’s the aim of their campaign. Without Western (the Arabs repeatedly forget to pay) donors’ money and employment in the settlements the PA controlled territory will dry like dead fish under the sun on the beach8) Arabs and Israelis already intermarry, but maybe you don’t know, Islam doesn’t allow their girls and women to marry a non Muslim and all the children born to a mixed couple are Muslims, so you pair 5 millions Jews with 1.4 billion of Muslims and there is no Jew left for the next generation (the Sharia law for dhimmis converts all orphans to Islam and gives them to Muslim families to be raised as Muslims (and be ill treated as cheap free laborers and despised for not being Muslim born, nice no?) -the Christians are treated likewise- So what do you mean ‘intermarry without discrimination’?9) yes let’s cancel foreign aid: the weapons are not ‘given’ to the Israelis, the money is lent and Israel must buy with it USA made goods thus paying back with jobs in the USA (additionally they are held up by the USA who forbid the Israelis to build concurrent goods and/or to sell them to any one that displeases them, e.g. a deal with China had to be cancelled) while the Palestinians spit in the face of the donors (after all they are these awful Western non-Muslims hated by Allah and this money is considered the Jiziya the non-Muslims are contrived to give the Muslims in exchange for their security, not that it means they are actually spared). When Israel was denied support they built their own needed arms, planes, etc. all high tech goods they can sell for hard cash, what will do the Palestinians without the hundreds of billions $ they receive ‘free’? emigrate?10) I didn’t understand the ‘Shimon Peres war mongering’ bit as he is considered very dovish and frankly all the following lines sound to me like the many conspiracy theories so in vogue…11) any way, as I said, ordinary people get along fine, politicians have their own specific kind of world in which they are obligated to deal with all the foreign politicians they like it or not, entertain them and keep a smooth diplomatic atmosphere in order to avoid damaging their countries’ interests and protecting their citizens. If you study a little bit history you will see that the international political scene is a very fragile grid, the Europeans grew weary of wars and that’s the reason for the creation of the European Union. The Middle-East is still very much aggressive and remains an already ever ignited powder keg. Your ideas to solve that seem very naive and dangerously so. Think the whole plan over again.Sorry I couldn’t address all your points.

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    Unfortunately the only way for a real change is if the people request it. The Housing protests in Israel are happening because the people are fed up with the high prices of living in Tel Aviv and around the country. If people protest then the government will be forced to listen and if not then they will be overthrown or it will go in that direction. The only way to create a good relationship between the Palestinians and Israelis is by Human Rights and mutual respect for each other. How would people in Tel Aviv feel if the city was blockaded and only 100 trucks of rice and wheat could enter every day. No chocolate, cement or even candy could enter without permession from the “Palestinians”. How would Israelis like it if they were confined to Tel Aviv for years while being blockaded on the shores from entering or leaving the country by sea. How would Israel like it if Palestinian F-16s bombed Tel Aviv and Haifa killing 1,200 civilians including 300 young Jewish children. How would people in Israel feel if they had not only 1 Gilad Shalit but 10,000 of them in prisons run by the Palestinian Authority, and including the detention of thousands of young Israeli settler teens held in prisons for years in the West Bank without hearing from their families just for throwing rocks at a Palestinian patrol occupying their settlement. The real way to peace is treating other countries like you would like them to treat yours as well as applying the basic Human Rights to your country and to the neighbouring countries. Israel has a somewhat good record of applying human rights to their own people but they lack the compassion in doing so in regards to their neighbours.Israel needs to pay compensation to the Palestinians just like the Germans payed the Jews for the crimes done by the Nazis. A right of return to all Palestinian diaspora must be allowed whether it will be to the newly formed Palestinian state or a binational state. It should be a binational state where Arabs and Jews live together peacefully and even intermarry without discrimination. Something like post aparthied South Africa. The 3 billion dollar foreign aid must be stopped and Israel needs to be self reliant. Getting millitary aid comes with conditions and orders from Washington DC. So cancelling the foreign aid can create a more grass roots human rights based israeli set of policy makers rather than millitary chiefs that discuss how they will use all the new weapons given by US foreign aid.War mongering people like Shimon Peres must be stripped of power and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. People who have a hidden interest to put Arabs and Israelis into wars in order to create a “biblical end of days prophecy” should really get their heads checked. About half the Israeli prime ministers were freemasons and the president is a Jesuit. No different than the Evangelicals who believe Israel will be destroyed in a big war bla bla bla. People need to take away the fixed idea of there can be no peace because of the Muslims or Jews. They need to stop aiding the self fulfilling prophecy of a bogus biblical war. People need to really understand Human Rights and basic human values so they can sit down and form a settlement where both people can win.The PLO, Labor Party, Peres and Arafat were all in bed with each other. All the people that died did so for no reason other than fighting for what they believed in or in some cases even forced to do so.

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      Or … mostly … for what they are ‘educated’ to believe.

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      wow the delusions run deep in your world,
      lets examine what you stated here for a second:
      ” The only way to create a good relationship between the Palestinians and Israelis is by Human Rights and mutual respect for each other” << wonderfull stuff I agree.
      then you went off on a tangeant blaming Israel for defending itself against the most barbaric savages that have ever existed, blowing up civilian planes, cafes, clubs and restaurants dont even make your list of atrocities
      "How would people in Tel Aviv feel if the city was blockaded and only 100 trucks of rice and wheat could enter every day" <<how would people in filasteeziville feel if Israelis were lobbing rockets at them daily aimed at civilians and what would they do in response to it?
      " How would Israelis like it if they were confined to Tel Aviv for years while being blockaded on the shores from entering or leaving the country by sea"<<how would people in filasteeziville feel if israelis were breaching their cities just to blow up and kill civilians and constantly calling for the death of filasteeziville, and what would they do in response to it?
      " How would Israel like it if Palestinian F-16s bombed Tel Aviv and Haifa killing 1,200 civilians including 300 young Jewish children" <<< how would people in filasteeziville like it if Israelis snuck in at night to cut the throats of sleeping children in their own homes and what would they do in response to it?
      "How would people in Israel feel if they had not only 1 Gilad Shalit but 10,000 of them in prisons run by the Palestinian Authority, and including the detention of thousands of young Israeli settler teens held in prisons for years in the West Bank without hearing from their families just for throwing rocks at a Palestinian patrol occupying their settlement" <<< how would people in filasteeziville like it if Israelis were strapping bombs on their children and sending them to kill more filasteezis and what would they do in response to it?

      apparently you think Israel is to blame for everything, and nothing the filasteezis did caused all those sanctions and blockades. well you are wrong and stupid if you dont know the filasteezis by now.

      " The real way to peace is treating other countries like you would like them to treat yours as well as applying the basic Human Rights to your country and to the neighbouring countries"  yes yes yes I agree completely,
      has one Israeli citizen ever been treated in any of the filasteezi hospitals?
      how many filasteezis have been treated in Israeli hospitals? damn near every single one of them.

      everywhere the filasteezis went they started trouble and their hosts had to deal with them sternly, keep them in camps and give them 0 rights, you want to point at Israel, because you are a brainwashed donkey who only sees black and white.

      you are one of those people who goes to a zoo pokes a lion then complains that the lion is poorly trained when the lion leeps over the fence and takes a chunk out of your fat ass.
      logic has no place in a brain like yours, you are a waste free oxygen indeed.

    3. Camille Mounteagles Avatar
      Camille Mounteagles

      @John1) after Sept. 2000 the Israelis got fed up with so called peace processes getting nowhere and the land for peace formula turning into a land for more violence so they voted more ‘nationalist’ parties in2) actually there exist good relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, it’s ‘only’ the political part which is problematic… the ordinary people are satisfied with the status quo and quietly live their difficult lives as long as there is not one more explosion of violence, on both sides people are tired, but the political leaders are eager to add a good mark in their resume for the sole benefit in future election, Obama had just said he wanted to make peace and he got the Nobel Price! now he and the Nobel Commitee are -I hope- embarassed3) once Tel Avivians start shooting indiscrimitately at peaceful civilians (which is a crime against humanity) we’ll act to stop them, for the time being they are the targets 4) Gilad Shalit is an hostage (the taking of hostage is a war crime) kept away and denied any visit, parcel or letter, or medical care. The prisoners in Israelis jails have been duly judged and found guilty (note that the Israeli courts have Western like standards meaning no arbitrary sanctions) they have killed or planned to kill mainly civilians, rocks do kill too, and they receive visits from family, lawyers, doctors, it’s possible to know if they eat well, if they get to go outside, if they are abused, etc. they are not cut off from their society, they can study and watch tv and read, etc. all those things are denied Gilad who killed no one ever, you are making a perverted comparison.BTW have you ever read how the Israelis POW have been treated by their oh so human rights savy neighbours?5) Tel Aviv and Haifa, along all the central area and the Gallilee have enjoyed the Saddam’s and Hezb.’s missiles… nobody has forgotten, to the greater enjoyment of their friendly Palestinians neighbours… did you notice that? That’s one difference between our cultures, when s.o. in the opposite camp is hurt we grieve, even if it’s a terrorist because it’s such a waste of life, and we think of his/her family too; the Arabs place civilians in harm’s way and they collect twice the dividend, once with our bruised feelings, then with their screams so well accepted and acted upon by the whole world against the evil bloodthirsty Israelis. very well planned and executed demonization, does that fit into the lines of your concept for peace?6) the terror attacks cost the Israeli taxpayer billions $ while the Palestinians receive record ‘humanitarian aid monies’ (more than any body on this planet, 19 times per capita more than the second on the recipients list) from Western countries and receive also ‘support of the resistance money’ to attack Israelis. They can’t loose when their war machine is so well fed. The brotherly Arab states created the whole situation by telling them to leave and additionally expelled their Jewish inhabitants and confiscated their wealth which was many times superior in value to that of the Arabs who fled Israel. Due compensation is part and parcel of the peace talks.Do you know that today Jews immigrate more to Israel because of abuse at the hands of the so called pro-Palestinians (they in reality are anti-Israel/Jews), +16 % from 2009 to 2010… to be housed, educated and provided with work the end result being that les and less Arab labor is needed7) Abbas said he doesn’t want the refugees in his territory (even those already in the WB’s UNRWA run camps), sure they are unable to sustain them, last year the PA wanted to draft a law criminalizing their constituents’ work in these hated settlements but they relented since they couldn’t offer these mere 25,000 persons (and their families) a source of income… so the millions to come will starve, tell that to the BDS crowds, some of the companies employing them are moving out, depriving them of work and offering their jobs to the Israelis. Some how I don’t think that’s the aim of their campaign. Without Western (the Arabs repeatedly forget to pay) donors’ money and employment in the settlements the PA controlled territory will dry like dead fish under the sun on the beach8) Arabs and Israelis already intermarry, but maybe you don’t know, Islam doesn’t allow their girls and women to marry a non Muslim and all the children born to a mixed couple are Muslims, so you pair 5 millions Jews with 1.4 billion of Muslims and there is no Jew left for the next generation (the Sharia law for dhimmis converts all orphans to Islam and gives them to Muslim families to be raised as Muslims (and be ill treated as cheap free laborers and despised for not being Muslim born, nice no?) -the Christians are treated likewise- So what do you mean ‘intermarry without discrimination’?9) yes let’s cancel foreign aid: the weapons are not ‘given’ to the Israelis, the money is lent and Israel must buy with it USA made goods thus paying back with jobs in the USA (additionally they are held up by the USA who forbid the Israelis to build concurrent goods and/or to sell them to any one that displeases them, e.g. a deal with China had to be cancelled) while the Palestinians spit in the face of the donors (after all they are these awful Western non-Muslims hated by Allah and this money is considered the Jiziya the non-Muslims are contrived to give the Muslims in exchange for their security, not that it means they are actually spared). When Israel was denied support they built their own needed arms, planes, etc. all high tech goods they can sell for hard cash, what will do the Palestinians without the hundreds of billions $ they receive ‘free’? emigrate?10) I didn’t understand the ‘Shimon Peres war mongering’ bit as he is considered very dovish and frankly all the following lines sound to me like the many conspiracy theories so in vogue…11) any way, as I said, ordinary people get along fine, politicians have their own specific kind of world in which they are obligated to deal with all the foreign politicians they like it or not, entertain them and keep a smooth diplomatic atmosphere in order to avoid damaging their countries’ interests and protecting their citizens. If you study a little bit history you will see that the international political scene is a very fragile grid, the Europeans grew weary of wars and that’s the reason for the creation of the European Union. The Middle-East is still very much aggressive and remains an already ever ignited powder keg. Your ideas to solve that seem very naive and dangerously so. Think the whole plan over again.Sorry I couldn’t address all your points.

    4. Camille Mounteagles Avatar
      Camille Mounteagles

      @John1) after Sept. 2000 the Israelis got fed up with so called peace processes getting nowhere and the land for peace formula turning into a land for more violence so they voted more ‘nationalist’ parties in2) actually there exist good relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, it’s ‘only’ the political part which is problematic… the ordinary people are satisfied with the status quo and quietly live their difficult lives as long as there is not one more explosion of violence, on both sides people are tired, but the political leaders are eager to add a good mark in their resume for the sole benefit in future election, Obama had just said he wanted to make peace and he got the Nobel Price! now he and the Nobel Commitee are -I hope- embarassed3) once Tel Avivians start shooting indiscrimitately at peaceful civilians (which is a crime against humanity) we’ll act to stop them, for the time being they are the targets 4) Gilad Shalit is an hostage (the taking of hostage is a war crime) kept away and denied any visit, parcel or letter, or medical care. The prisoners in Israelis jails have been duly judged and found guilty (note that the Israeli courts have Western like standards meaning no arbitrary sanctions) they have killed or planned to kill mainly civilians, rocks do kill too, and they receive visits from family, lawyers, doctors, it’s possible to know if they eat well, if they get to go outside, if they are abused, etc. they are not cut off from their society, they can study and watch tv and read, etc. all those things are denied Gilad who killed no one ever, you are making a perverted comparison.BTW have you ever read how the Israelis POW have been treated by their oh so human rights savy neighbours?5) Tel Aviv and Haifa, along all the central area and the Gallilee have enjoyed the Saddam’s and Hezb.’s missiles… nobody has forgotten, to the greater enjoyment of their friendly Palestinians neighbours… did you notice that? That’s one difference between our cultures, when s.o. in the opposite camp is hurt we grieve, even if it’s a terrorist because it’s such a waste of life, and we think of his/her family too; the Arabs place civilians in harm’s way and they collect twice the dividend, once with our bruised feelings, then with their screams so well accepted and acted upon by the whole world against the evil bloodthirsty Israelis. very well planned and executed demonization, does that fit into the lines of your concept for peace?6) the terror attacks cost the Israeli taxpayer billions $ while the Palestinians receive record ‘humanitarian aid monies’ (more than any body on this planet, 19 times per capita more than the second on the recipients list) from Western countries and receive also ‘support of the resistance money’ to attack Israelis. They can’t loose when their war machine is so well fed. The brotherly Arab states created the whole situation by telling them to leave and additionally expelled their Jewish inhabitants and confiscated their wealth which was many times superior in value to that of the Arabs who fled Israel. Due compensation is part and parcel of the peace talks.Do you know that today Jews immigrate more to Israel because of abuse at the hands of the so called pro-Palestinians (they in reality are anti-Israel/Jews), +16 % from 2009 to 2010… to be housed, educated and provided with work the end result being that les and less Arab labor is needed7) Abbas said he doesn’t want the refugees in his territory (even those already in the WB’s UNRWA run camps), sure they are unable to sustain them, last year the PA wanted to draft a law criminalizing their constituents’ work in these hated settlements but they relented since they couldn’t offer these mere 25,000 persons (and their families) a source of income… so the millions to come will starve, tell that to the BDS crowds, some of the companies employing them are moving out, depriving them of work and offering their jobs to the Israelis. Some how I don’t think that’s the aim of their campaign. Without Western (the Arabs repeatedly forget to pay) donors’ money and employment in the settlements the PA controlled territory will dry like dead fish under the sun on the beach8) Arabs and Israelis already intermarry, but maybe you don’t know, Islam doesn’t allow their girls and women to marry a non Muslim and all the children born to a mixed couple are Muslims, so you pair 5 millions Jews with 1.4 billion of Muslims and there is no Jew left for the next generation (the Sharia law for dhimmis converts all orphans to Islam and gives them to Muslim families to be raised as Muslims (and be ill treated as cheap free laborers and despised for not being Muslim born, nice no?) -the Christians are treated likewise- So what do you mean ‘intermarry without discrimination’?9) yes let’s cancel foreign aid: the weapons are not ‘given’ to the Israelis, the money is lent and Israel must buy with it USA made goods thus paying back with jobs in the USA (additionally they are held up by the USA who forbid the Israelis to build concurrent goods and/or to sell them to any one that displeases them, e.g. a deal with China had to be cancelled) while the Palestinians spit in the face of the donors (after all they are these awful Western non-Muslims hated by Allah and this money is considered the Jiziya the non-Muslims are contrived to give the Muslims in exchange for their security, not that it means they are actually spared). When Israel was denied support they built their own needed arms, planes, etc. all high tech goods they can sell for hard cash, what will do the Palestinians without the hundreds of billions $ they receive ‘free’? emigrate?10) I didn’t understand the ‘Shimon Peres war mongering’ bit as he is considered very dovish and frankly all the following lines sound to me like the many conspiracy theories so in vogue…11) any way, as I said, ordinary people get along fine, politicians have their own specific kind of world in which they are obligated to deal with all the foreign politicians they like it or not, entertain them and keep a smooth diplomatic atmosphere in order to avoid damaging their countries’ interests and protecting their citizens. If you study a little bit history you will see that the international political scene is a very fragile grid, the Europeans grew weary of wars and that’s the reason for the creation of the European Union. The Middle-East is still very much aggressive and remains an already ever ignited powder keg. Your ideas to solve that seem very naive and dangerously so. Think the whole plan over again.Sorry I couldn’t address all your points.

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        The ideas of creating a binational state or Palestinian state and promoting Human Rights might seem naive to the apathetic but it is the only way for real peace. The leaders from both sides have sold out their people for personal gain. Arafat did not care about his people. Peres doesn’t either. It’s because they work for the same people you never heard about it and if you did hear about them then it was only dismiss it as a conpiracy theory or a bunch of hogwash. Then you see the war continuing for years and decades while no one has the slightest clue of what’s really happening.They blame each other and it drags on. It’s because you’re not dealing with the genuine reality of things and decide to cherry pick what you want to believe. Ego, religion, fixed ideas and educational background may create a wall between a person and truth.

        You see, commoner or intellectual you can dismiss the real reason behind the Middle East’s wars as conspiracy theory. Once you finally hit the truth, you decide to dmiss it and reject it from ever being even a culprit to all the chaos. This will lead you to NOT REALLY finding out who is behind the crime but only finding out the henchmen. It is only discovering the puppets but not the puppet master.

        Israel as a state is destined to fail, it is made that way by design. So is the US unless the Federal Reserve system, AIPAC and the many other lobbyist and special interest groups get shut down. Parallels in history are seen in the USSR and Nazi Germany. They did not end up well. Behind every war, their is someone behind the scenes who is benefiting. It may be the weapons industry, worldwide banks, private institutions, corporations and drug companies. It’s all the above. But who is really behind all of them? That is the real question which you have failed to answer in your reply. All you did was try to prove some points wrong.

        I’m going to give you who is responsible for the wars in the Middle East on a silver platter. I’m going to spoon feed it to you and if you can’t accept what I’m going to give you then it is your loss. The outcome will be to live in denial and ignorance.

        The Jesuit Order of the Society of Jesus which has taken over the Vatican and Freemasonry is responsible for almost all major wars and conflicts for the last 400 years. Whether it was the Napoleonic wars, WWI/ WWII or the creation of Israel in order to try to create WWIII.

        They control the world politically from Washington DC, financially through the City of London and spiritually through the Vatican. Everyone is bound by their economic and political system of control and it has infiltrated every country that deals with the Uniform Commercial Code(based on Vatican canon law). The leaders of the Empire of Japan, the former USSR, Communist China/North Korea and the US are all on the same side playing by the same rules to reach the same destructive goal. Everything else going on in politics is who will get a bigger piece of the pie in regards to the control of populations and resources.

        And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

  7. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    Always showing that same picture of him. I wonder why…

  8. Always showing that same picture of him. I wonder why…

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    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    It’s a moral right to prop up a caste based regime on the East Bank (Jordan) at the expense of Israel, for the sake of Arab irredensitism???? The writer has the world upside down.

  10. It’s a moral right to prop up a caste based regime on the East Bank (Jordan) at the expense of Israel, for the sake of Arab irredensitism???? The writer has the world upside down.

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    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    As I have said, it will not rid you of them. It will give them an easier place to get weapons for the camps in Lebanon, from which they will shoot us and our stupid defense establishment will hit you back.

  12. As I have said, it will not rid you of them. It will give them an easier place to get weapons for the camps in Lebanon, from which they will shoot us and our stupid defense establishment will hit you back.

  13. 7akibalash Avatar

    yalibnan removed my comment on this article in response to john, it posted for a few hours then disappeared… what a joke this is, now you(yalibnan) censor the opinions that you disagree with, how jarab of you.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Wow … maybe Microsoft bought it …. 🙁
      Oh .. wait .. you guys actually using IBM’s ?? Windows? … hmmm … 🙂

      1. 7akibalash Avatar

        who is “you guys”, it’s just me here lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          If you are a woman, I’m interested … 😉
          One with a MAC, and I’m yours. 🙂

      2. 7akibalash Avatar

        windows, no deal lol
        nevermind what’s between my legs that say “I aint no woman”… mac and windows dont mix lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          (Damn .. again … need more women in here ..)
          (Then again … it’s a sort-of-political site … hmmm .. yah 🙁 😉

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    yalibnan removed my comment on this article in response to john, it posted for a few hours then disappeared… what a joke this is, now you(yalibnan) censor the opinions you disagree with, how jarab of you.

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      Wow … maybe Microsoft bought it …. 🙁

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        who is “you guys”, it’s just me here lol

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          If you are a woman, I’m interested … 😉
          One with a MAC, and I’m yours. 🙂

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        windows, no deal lol
        nevermind what’s between my legs that say “I aint no woman”… mac and windows dont mix lol

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          (Damn .. again … need more women in here ..)
          (Then again … it’s a sort-of-political site … hmmm .. yah 🙁 😉

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    yalibnan removed my comment on this article in response to john, it posted for a few hours then disappeared… what a joke this is, now you(yalibnan) censor the opinions you disagree with, how jarab of you.

  16. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    So remove that Hejazi caste from the East Bank that rules over them.

  17. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    So remove that Hejazi caste from the East Bank that rules over them.

  18. So remove that Hejazi caste from the East Bank that rules over them.

  19. So remove that Hejazi caste from the East Bank that rules over them.

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