Patriarch Rai claims his statements were taken out of context

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Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros al-Rai said on Tuesday during a visit to the Metn town of Al-Arbaniyya that his recent ( controversial) statements were taken out of context and that the patriarchate “cannot relinquish any party and does not want to eliminate or marginalize any party, because Lebanon needs all its citizens, parties and sects.”

“You should forget all the statements that were taken out of context and have nothing to do with my personal opinion,” Rai said without trying to clarify what he meant in his statements

The patriarch also said that he will not abandon the “historical principles” of the church.

“I would like to reassure all who are listening to me that I would never give up on our people and our church,” he said.

Rai also expressed his sadness “over the misunderstanding that occurred following his visit to France,” adding: “I would not get involved in any disagreements inside or outside Lebanon.”

The patriarch also said that “ninety percent of disagreements are a result of misunderstandings and lack of honesty between people.” He did not elaborate

Rai came under fire last Friday from the opposition March 14 parties but won praise from March 8 politicians for indirectly defending Hezbollah’s arms and linking the party’s arsenal to the termination of Israeli occupation of Lebanese territory and the return of Palestinian refugees to their homeland . Even MP Walid Jumblatt who defected from March 14 alliance was very critical of Rai’s statements.

Last Thursday, Rai emphasized that only when the international community exerts pressure on Israel to vacate the occupied Lebanese territory ( the Shebaa Farms, Kfar Shouba hills and the Lebanese part of the disputed border village of Ghajar ) and Israel allows Palestinians in Lebanon to return to their homes, can Hezbollah be asked to hand over its arms because they will no longer be needed.”

He added that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is “open-minded” and should be given more chances to implement the reforms he already announced.

Fares Soueid, coordinator of the March 14 Secretariat General, rejected Rai’s remarks on the divisive issue of Hezbollah :“Patriarch Rai’s statement is coming in contradiction with the principles of the Maronite Church which has since 1943 been supporting the project of state building,” He said adding

“The Maronite Church is condemning the presence of non-legitimate weapons in the hands of any of the communities in Lebanon, Christian or Muslim.”

The opposition March 14 parties, including former Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s Future Movement, have launched blistering campaigns against Hezbollah, calling on the party to hand over its arms to Lebanese authorities. They also accused Hezbollah of running its own mini-state at the expense of state authority.“The state, and not any other Lebanese party, is responsible for defending Lebanon. It is the state that takes charge of forcing Israel to leave Lebanese territory and not any Lebanese party,” Soueid said.

Boycott

Phalange Party bloc MP Elie Marouni said on Tuesday that some parties may boycott the upcoming meeting between Christian leaders and the Maronite Patriarch in Bkirki.

Christian party leaders and Rai are scheduled to hold a sit-down on September 23 to discuss the electoral law of the upcoming 2013 Parliamentary elections.

“The Phalange Party is accustomed to attend every dialogue session to voice its position, but let’s see if this meeting will actually take place; because it seems that some parties will boycott the Bkirki meeting,” he told Voice of Lebanon

Marouni also said that his party leader, Amin Gemayel, will meet privately with the patriarch to discuss the latter’s recent statements on Hezbollah and Syria.

Al-Jumhuriya newspaper reported on Monday that Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea will not be participating in future Christian meetings held by the patriarch if the latter sticks to his positions.

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108 responses to “Patriarch Rai claims his statements were taken out of context”

  1. FadiAbboud Avatar

     Patriarch Sfier, you are truly missed and will forever be respected

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     Patriarch Sfier, you are truly missed and will forever be respected

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     Patriarch Sfier, you are truly missed and will forever be respected

  4. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Looks like all ‘speeches’ should be published before they are given and translated accuratley just so people can read full contexts.

  5. there is a big storm on the horizon for M8…they will here all sorts of “nice” things in the lead up to the surprise. smile in your face and stab you in the back seems to be the best method of accomplishing anything these days in Lebanon. (not to say thats what the Patriarch is intending, or doing)

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    Looks like all ‘speeches’ should be published before they are given and translated accuratley just so people can read full contexts.

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    Looks like all ‘speeches’ should be published before they are given and translated accuratley just so people can read full contexts.

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    there is a big storm on the horizon for M8…they will here all sorts of “nice” things in the lead up to the surprise. smile in your face and stab you in the back seems to be the best method of accomplishing anything these days in Lebanon. (not to say thats what the Patriarch is intending, or doing)

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    there is a big storm on the horizon for M8…they will here all sorts of “nice” things in the lead up to the surprise. smile in your face and stab you in the back seems to be the best method of accomplishing anything these days in Lebanon. (not to say thats what the Patriarch is intending, or doing)

  10. And I thought the Jumblatt syndrome was not contagious….

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    And I thought the Jumblatt syndrome was not contagious….

  12. shankarees Avatar

    Your beatitude need to come out with a clear communique that rescinds your scandalous statements about the Assad barbarian and the unconstitutional presence of armed Hezbollah as a state within a state.  Unless you do this, you would be a party to mass murder in Syria and weak state and army in Lebanon.  You cannot hide behind “taken out of context” excuse.

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    Your beatitude need to come out with a clear communique that rescinds your scandalous statements about the Assad barbarian and the unconstitutional presence of armed Hezbollah as a state within a state.  Unless you do this, you would be a party to mass murder in Syria and weak state and army in Lebanon.  You cannot hide behind “taken out of context” excuse.

  14. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    he is worried about the christians and other minorities in syria if regeme changed .because of what have happened in iraq to the christians after regeme change ,if the muslim brotherhood took over syria ,he is right about his concern ,but if the democratic party took over syria  things will be different, for minorities they they will survive ,he is entiteled to his opinion but it should,nt be politicized because he is elected as a spirital leader official,not politcal one , he is a good hearted man and he wants people to live in peace ,all people, that is why he made those comments , god blesshim, no one in lebanon should be upsetof what he said.

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    he is worried about the christians and other minorities in syria if regeme changed .because of what have happened in iraq to the christians after regeme change ,if the muslim brotherhood took over syria ,he is right about his concern ,but if the democratic party took over syria  things will be different, for minorities they wo,nt be hurt as much ,he is entiteled to his opinion but it should,nt be politicized because he is elected as a spirital leade office,not politcal office , he is a good hearted man and he wants people to live in peace that is why he made those comments , god blesshim

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    he is worried about the christians and other minorities in syria if regeme changed .because of what have happened in iraq to the christians after regeme change ,if the muslim brotherhood took over syria ,he is right about his concern ,but if the democratic party took over syria  things will be different, for minorities they wo,nt be hurt as much ,he is entiteled to his opinion but it should,nt be politicized because he is elected as a spirital leade office,not politcal office , he is a good hearted man and he wants people to live in peace that is why he made those comments , god blesshim

  17. The patriarch should not yield to pressure. he stated his opinion which was out of concern for minorities in the region. There is enough evidence to show that islamic extremism has indeed cause the suffering of Christians in the region and could spread if these extremists come to power in many countries in the region. Let’s not fool ourselves here, what is happening in the arab world is not certain to result in democracies and as such a red flag should be raised! I am not advocating support for brutal regimes like Assad’s in Syria but I am worried about the future of minorities and more specifically christians in the region due to the persecution already witnessed in several countries which have undergone regime change. Until all minorities are re-assured that Muslims will stand with them unconditionally against this wave of fanaticism and radicalism, this concern will continue to be an issue. 

    1. shankarees Avatar

      The concern is shared by everybody and nobody would want Muslim fundamentalists in power any where.  As a Christian, I am worried about the Copts of Egypt and the Assyrians in Iraq.  Similarly, I would be worried if Salafists were to take control in Syria; however, that does not allow me to affirm any dictatorship especially Assad’s.  At the same time, I am not pleased with the restriction on Christians in Saudi Arabia, as well.  So, though I agree with you for the concern, I disapprove of the Patriarch’s advocating a dictatorship in Syria or any where.  Further, don’t forget that he has giving an excuse for Hezbollah to exist outside the authority of the Lebanese state.  This is a mortal sin.  If I were in his shoes, I would have modified my statement regarding Hezbollah that they should be given the right to defend the country WITHIN the Lebanese Army and under the authority of the State.

      1. I agree that he should not have made the comment about giving a second chance to the syrian regime, but I think that it also describes the true nature of the fears that the christians of Syria have at this moment..The maronite patriarch after all does represent the maronites of Syria as well. As far as Hezbollah, well, that is an interna lissue that is a hot potato at the moment and christians themselves are divided over how to respond to it. I wished he stayed out of this one!  

        1. antar2011 Avatar

          have you had a chance to look at the syrian revolution facebook page?
          if you had you probably have read the rejection of the christian posters to his comments….before he claimed he was taken out of context.

          some food for thoughts…

        2. antar2011 Avatar

          have you had a chance to look at the syrian revolution facebook page?
          if you had you probably have read the rejection of the christian posters to his comments….before he claimed he was taken out of context.

          some food for thoughts…

    2. antar2011 Avatar

      turns out it is not his opinion at all….that’s why he said he was misunderstood.

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    The patriarch should not yield to pressure. he stated his opinion which was out of concern for minorities in the region. There is enough evidence to show that islamic extremism has indeed cause the suffering of Christians in the region and could spread if these extremists come to power in many countries in the region. Let’s not fool ourselves here, what is happening in the arab world is not certain to result in democracies and as such a red flag should be raised! I am not advocating support for brutal regimes like Assad’s in Syria but I am worried about the future of minorities and more specifically christians in the region due to the persecution already witnessed in several countries which have undergone regime change. Until all minorities are re-assured that Muslims will stand with them unconditionally against this wave of fanaticism and radicalism, this concern will continue to be an issue. 

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      The concern is shared by everybody and nobody would want Muslim fundamentalists in power any where.  As a Christian, I am worried about the Copts of Egypt and the Assyrians in Iraq.  Similarly, I would be worried if Salafists were to take control in Syria; however, that does not allow me to affirm any dictatorship especially Assad’s.  At the same time, I am not pleased with the restriction on Christians in Saudi Arabia, as well.  So, though I agree with you for the concern, I disapprove of the Patriarch’s advocating a dictatorship in Syria or any where.  Further, don’t forget that he has giving an excuse for Hezbollah to exist outside the authority of the Lebanese state.  This is a mortal sin.  If I were in his shoes, I would have modified my statement regarding Hezbollah that they should be given the right to defend the country WITHIN the Lebanese Army and under the authority of the State.

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        I agree that he should not have made the comment about giving a second chance to the syrian regime, but I think that it also describes the true nature of the fears that the christians of Syria have at this moment..The maronite patriarch after all does represent the maronites of Syria as well. As far as Hezbollah, well, that is an interna lissue that is a hot potato at the moment and christians themselves are divided over how to respond to it. I wished he stayed out of this one!  

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          have you had a chance to look at the syrian revolution facebook page?
          if you had you probably have read the rejection of the christian posters to his comments….before he claimed he was taken out of context.

          some food for thoughts…

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      turns out it is not his opinion at all….that’s why he said he was misunderstood.

  19. antar2011 Avatar

    unless he releases a statement that clarifies exactly what he meant then the patriarch should not be suprised if he was understood wrongly.

    i acknowledge the fears he has spoken of and these fears are shared not only by christians but by Muslims alike because regardless of common belief, extremist muslims have been a danger for muslims more then christians in the region and abroad.

    i am disappointed by the way he stated his fears…blurting out a blanket statement about sunnis and basing his fears about assumptions while forgetting that Riyad al Sol7 was a sunni, Rasheed Karami was a sunni, Rafeeq Harriri was a sunni, and all of them believed in a free democratic lebanon for all of its sects. and that the extremist “sunnis” are a minute part of lebanese society.

    this episode showed the patriarch’s inexperience among anything else… keeping quite on the syrian revolution was the best thing he could have done.

    1. unfortunately I have to agree…

    2. Who are you to determine what Patriarch should or should not say. He knows something you know that Sunni extremists are the cancer in the whole Middle east not HA. If it was’t for HA Elqaeda will be roaming West Beirut streets. Remember the thugs that HA removed from W. Beirut back in 98, they were financed by Hariri Jr. without his knowledge maybe !!!!!
      The Patriarch responsibly is look after the Christians interest as is the Muftis responsibility to look after Sunnis. 
      From what I can see the M14 are losing support every day, very few supportes are left. Wake up and smell the coffee, The original M8 (HA and Aoun) are almost done with breakfast.
         

      1. 7akibalash Avatar

        ever heard of the expression : min manyak la 2anyak?
        sunni islamists (alqaeda/muslim brotherhood etc..) = manyak
        shia islamists (hizbilkhara and their ayatolkhara masters) = 2anyak

        aoun fits in nice in the “mintek” catagory.

        1. Aoun fits more “Nayeek”

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Next Time Patriarch Rai makes a statement addressing a different issue, or even same issues He addressed last week, you will notice those who praised him for his wisdom and sense of responsibility,how they would suddenly criticize him and throw all sorts of accusations; and those who have criticized him this week, and boycotted him, would praise him and call him the true conscious of the nation. Typical Lebanese politics.

          2. shankarees Avatar

            Religious and clerics should stay the hell out of politics whether it is patriarchs, bishops, muftis or shaikhs.

          3. antar2011 Avatar

            hear hear!

          4. antar2011 Avatar

            hear hear!

        2. Aoun fits more “Nayeek”

      2. antar2011 Avatar

        libnani
        when the patriarch unjustly puts all sunnis in one basket based on assumptions while comparing it to something very different then excuse me if i, as a sunni, not only object to it but ask him to be more sensitive to a big section of the lebanese society.
        1- not all sunnis are extremist
        2- there are extremist in any faith/sect
        3- he seems to assume there will be extremist ruling our neighbour
        4- he seems to assume the sunnis in lebanon who were calling in the name of freedom and independance will ignore that and put their hands with extremist next door.
        5- he seems to go against the spirit of what he preaches in mercy, liberty and justice by defending the butcher next door
        6- but most importantly, he seems to ignore what that butcher next door has done to the christians in Lebanon and pretends that he will protect them against extremism.

        from the reaction of the lebanese christians, it also looks like the patriarch has decided to express his views about the syrian revolution without “shura”, something i assume is unprecedent…but if i am wrong then plz correct me.

        this is nothing about m14 and m8, this is about if christians really want to to live under the shadow of a criminal who gives them fake protection.

        frankly i am also suprised with pple like you, libnani, who do not miss any chance to tell everybody of the ways the christians were marginalised in lebanon, turn their support towards a regime who are killing few christians oppositions members calling for freedom elsewhere. your hypocracy is immoral and disgusting.

         

        1. Antar,
          All what the Patriarch said that he did not want the Christians in Syria to go through what the Iraqi or the Egyptian Christians went through. The moderate Sunnis in Iraq did not help protect the Christians and he does not count on the moderate Sunni Syrians to help the Syrian Christians. In Lebanon we don’t need protection and we are not marginalized either, yes we are divided politically on the surface but in reality the vast majority of the Christians support Aoun.
          You call the next door regime as brutal, I agree. This regime is the same regime that had been in power for 40 years. This is the same regime that the Lebanese Sunnis supported for the 34 years. This is the same regime that Sunnis befriended to marginalize the Christian. This is the same regime that controlled you for 30 years. This the same regime that helped you pass the Taif with guns over our heads. The old Syrian Sunni regime was the one Lebanese Sunnis joined to overthrough the Chamoun presidency in 1958. Back then the rest of the Lebanese joined us and the Syrians failed. These are history examples of what we went through. In 1975 you join the PLO to achieve political gains and to destroy the South. THESE ARE FACTS.
          The Lebanese army fought the Syrian army to liberate Lebanon including liberating you. You did not join us and we would have succeeded if all the Lebanese stood by the Lebanese army that is including the Sunnis, the Durse, the Shites and some of the Christians.

          So what do you think is going to change now? Are the Sunnis going to change? I hope so, but our Patriarch is not willing to take the risk.
          My friend I hope history does not repeat itself, people are evaluated based on their resumes. Sad to say Sunni leaders don’t have good resumes.

          1. antar2011 Avatar

            again libnani i repeat
            it is not fair to compare the syrian situation to the iraqi or to the egyptian ones and unfairly put the syrians and the lebanese in one basket…..
            also the pple who are going out each week under bullets, bombs and torture expressing their right in a free syria FOR ALL, in a democractic country that encompases all of its sects are most probably not going to marginalise minorities when they are in power..

            iraq is different, it is majority shiite not sunni. so the sunnis were like christians minority and caould not provide any protection for themselves first before anyone else’s…and anyway the country was invaded and helped by iran who had always had appetite in taking it over and it did….there were deaths and killings by anyone on anyone…not only christians…just comparing the numbers of christians before and after irani take over of iraq prooves your fears wrong….ask any christian iraqi would tell you the same.

            in lebanon the few extremist sunni groups are backed NOT by the majority of sunnis but by Bashaar Al Assad, the tyrant whose protection you want. these extremist are given weapons and money by the party who is Aoun an allie with…so when the tyrant next door falls, these few extremist groups are sure to fall too….if you or anyone else worried about these extremist presence in lebanon why don’t you ask the party who is giving them weapons and money to STOP doing so.

            you have put it upon yourself to speak in the name of all christians in lebanon and say you are not marginalised?…while all while, we hear from the Aounist is the marginalization of christians in lebanon by the big T word in 1990…are you prepared to tell Aoun, you are wrong Aoun, we as christians are all well and true?
            as for the majority of christians support Aoun…were there a survey or a national statistics with this or you are just saying this out of your own wishes and assumptions? words without prooves are not credible and are usually the way of children not responsible adults.

            if i agree with you and say pple are evaluated based on their resumes….then lets start with Aoun resume’s…not bright eh? ooops!

            as it was said a zillion times before, all politicians from every sect had their “moments” before, the political situation was much different then now and everybody had their own version of lebanon while eliminating those who did not fit in that version….but lebanese, all lebanese after Taif have opened a new page and were supposed to start anew,,,,but not if the syrian regime had anythign to do with that….and we all know what happened under syrian regime….again in 2005 the lebanese, muslims and christians, were united against the regime you are willing to support now. in 2005 the barrier of fear from the other was broken and it should have remained this way….but not if the syrian and irani regime had anything to do with that…and unfortunately they have succedded in dividing the lebanese yet again by the help of Aoun and the party of shaytan..

            you keep ignoring that and unforunately the Patriarch fell for that too.

            what do i think is going to change now?
            i wish that we all as lebanese, become pple who deserve our country…i wish we show that we really care for lebanon as a country. some lebanese are living in hatred towards their fathers who believed in an independent country called lebanon but have only expreienced a dependent state on foreigners, a land that was always believed to belonged to anyone except the pple living on it.
            i wish that every lebanese figure who pple look up to, to think first outside of the square they live in, to live by the rule of discussion with respect to other ideas and to be open minded and accept the other is just a part of the country they share. i wish all lebanese could trust each other. i wish we stop seeking protection from foreigners against each other.

            and saying things like we need protection from the sunnis is NOT a change for the better…

            as an aounist like yourself libnani, your syrian mouth in Aoun has the worst resume out of all politicians, i hate to tell you this but it really is stupid of you to tell who has good resumes or who doesn’t…..

            as for the insult at the end…i only have to remind you that rafeeq Harriri was a sunni…and he has better resume then at least Aoun simply because at least he has no blood on his hands…this is a FACT backed by any lebanese including the party Aoun is allied with.

        2. Antar, thanks for the detailed replay. I never witnessed any of the events stated in my previous replay. I read about it from independent sources and was told by relatives. I think my information is fairly accurate. First Aoun and the Aunist in general don’t approve of killing innocent people; the Lebanese army under Aouns command fought 2 wars and never intentionally killed an innocent person.

           Aouns resume speaks for itself, FOUGHT FOR LEBANON. The Lebanese army under his command was defeated (if that makes you happy) when every Lebanese Militia, the Syrian A/F and its army with the political cover of many foreign countries. His resume’s objective: Tried to free Lebanon but failed because most of the Lebanese sided with the occupier.
          In 2005 the Aounist lead the rally, go look at the pictures. His resume’s accomplishment would say. I contributed to liberate Lebanon with the help of the Lebanese (I wish the Lebanese helped 15 years ago). I have to go now I will continue my thoughts later but before I go, I did not intend any insult I just said what thought no pun intended.

      3. libnan1, by not leaving the door open for moderate  democratic sunnis or any other you disagree with you end up with   1 foot on banana peel and the other on being an extremist your self.

         i say this not in an insulting manner but as humble  brotherly advice .
        just like i have my blind spots that you can see and help me with, i can see your blind spot when you close the door to all others besides aounites and hizzites.

        all lebanese factions have sinned ,lost and grieved  and all should point their feet in the same direction that mutually benefits all fellow lebanese that include sunis,shiates,druze,christians, and all other civilian sects.
        this will not happen without good relations.
        good relations dont happen without   trust.
        trust does not take place with extemists as partners.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar

          geo metro, O lord, have I  SINNED?LOL.
          Good advice to  my friend  from the  Shouf region.I  admire his  passion toward his  beloved  Aoun, and appreciate and respect  his  strong convictions, but I  hope He  would realize that ALL Lebanese politicians have their  flaws,and no one is perfect,but most are far from being close to perfection.

        2. Geo,
          I’m not an extremist by any means. I attend church regularly but not a fanatic, I actually think that some people that attend church don’t apply the teaching of the church.  I do have Muslim friends (more Shites than Sunnis) and one of my best friends is a Druse. I discuss these issues with them, sometimes we get in heated conversation but at the end all is well. Some people including my wife tell me that my comments can be as she calls it “mean” at church or in discussing US politics with my American friends. Even at work when discussing technical issues I come out intense but always with a smile. This makes my personality distinguished, thanks God very successful and well known in my line of work.
          I don’t polish a tort; I just say it the way it is without name calling of personal insults.  We must speak our feelings and present our thoughts to understand each and hopefully teach our children so they can be better than us or our parents.
          Enough of sweeping the dirt under the carpet like nothing ever happened, other generations before us tried it and did not work. We need to express our fear and make sure the other side understands that fear. Maybe I should point to a leader of a sect not the people of that sect in my future comments.
          Criticism well taken,  thanks.

        3. libnan1  for years i tried to get an aviation customer to come on board with my small company and finally when he did he told me that i got the contract because i never spoke badly of his previous contractor that was 83 years old and retiring, i made the point to him that the fact that he was so loyal to his previous vendor made him more appealing to me as i knew he would be loyal to me when the right time came. i agree with  prophet that you are passionate and loyal   and i respect you and wish you and your loved ones gods blessings 24/7

        4. my friend prophet,
          i would not be confessing your sins on this site… as without confessions stoning you was a  a national sport at one time. lol boy am i glad you dont bruise to easily.
          but now that you have confessedpublicly  hugh heffner would like your autograph for your notorious lengthy rap sheet of past  escapades.lol

        5. Thank you Geo, you are first class. I’m passionate because I deeply care about our beloved homeland even though I lived here most of my life. We will never get anywhere if we are not honest in expressing our feelings. I don’t intend by any means to hurt anyone. I just say what a lot of people feel but never express. I might have some rough edges, I’m working on filling them down …..:) 

        6. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Geo,My Friend,
          Don’t  the  french  say :A sin confessed is half forgiven?lol

        7. LEBANON101 Avatar

          people forget that the dog aoun attacked the lebanese forces before he attacked the syria . did he expect the LF to side with him after he just attacked them.

      4. libnan1, by not leaving the door open for moderate  democratic sunnis or any other you disagree with you end up with   1 foot on banana peel and the other on being an extremist your self.

         i say this not in an insulting manner but as humble  brotherly advice .
        just like i have my blind spots that you can see and help me with, i can see your blind spot when you close the door to all others besides aounites and hizzites.

        all lebanese factions have sinned ,lost and grieved  and all should point their feet in the same direction that mutually benefits all fellow lebanese that include sunis,shiates,druze,christians, and all other civilian sects.
        this will not happen without good relations.
        good relations dont happen without   trust.
        trust does not take place with extemists as partners.

        1. Geo,
          I’m not an extremist by any means. I attend church regularly but not a fanatic, I actually think that some people that attend church don’t apply the teaching of the church.  I do have Muslim friends (more Shites than Sunnis) and one of my best friends is a Druse. I discuss these issues with them, sometimes we get in heated conversation but at the end all is well. Some people including my wife tell me that my comments can be as she calls it “mean” at church or in discussing US politics with my American friends. Even at work when discussing technical issues I come out intense but always with a smile. This makes my personality distinguished, thanks God very successful and well known in my line of work.
          I don’t polish a tort; I just say it the way it is without name calling of personal insults.  We must speak our feelings and present our thoughts to understand each and hopefully teach our children so they can be better than us or our parents.
          Enough of sweeping the dirt under the carpet like nothing ever happened, other generations before us tried it and did not work. We need to express our fear and make sure the other side understands that fear. Maybe I should point to a leader of a sect not the people of that sect in my future comments.
          Criticism well taken,  thanks.

        2. LEBANON101 Avatar

          people forget that the dog aoun attacked the lebanese forces before he attacked the syria . did he expect the LF to side with him after he just attacked them.

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    unless he releases a statement that clarifies exactly what he meant then the patriarch should not be suprised if he was understood wrongly.

    i acknowledge the fears he has spoken of and these fears are shared not only by christians but by Muslims alike because regardless of common belief, extremist muslims have been a danger for muslims more then christians in the region and abroad.

    i am disappointed by the way he stated his fears…blurting out a blanket statement about sunnis and basing his fears about assumptions while forgetting that Riyad al Sol7 was a sunni, Rasheed Karami was a sunni, Rafeeq Harriri was a sunni, and all of them believed in a free democratic lebanon for all of its sects. and that the extremist “sunnis” are a minute part of lebanese society.

    this episode showed the patriarch’s inexperience among anything else… keeping quite on the syrian revolution was the best thing he could have done.

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      unfortunately I have to agree…

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      Who are you to determine what Patriarch should or should not say. He knows something you know that Sunni extremists are the cancer in the whole Middle east not HA. If it was’t for HA Elqaeda will be roaming West Beirut streets. Remember the thugs that HA removed from W. Beirut back in 98, they were financed by Hariri Jr. without his knowledge maybe !!!!!
      The Patriarch responsibly is look after the Christians interest as is the Muftis responsibility to look after Sunnis. 
      From what I can see the M14 are losing support every day, very few supportes are left. Wake up and smell the coffee, The original M8 (HA and Aoun) are almost done with breakfast.
         

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        ever heard of the expression : min manyak la 2anyak?
        sunni islamists (alqaeda/muslim brotherhood etc..) = manyak
        shia islamists (hizbilkhara and their ayatolkhara masters) = 2anyak

        aoun fits in nice in the “mintek” catagory.

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          Aoun fits more “Nayeek”

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        libnani
        when the patriarch unjustly puts all sunnis in one basket based on assumptions while comparing it to something very different then excuse me if i, as a sunni, not only object to it but ask him to be more sensitive to a big section of the lebanese society.
        1- not all sunnis are extremist
        2- there are extremist in any faith/sect
        3- he seems to assume there will be extremist ruling our neighbour
        4- he seems to assume the sunnis in lebanon who were calling in the name of freedom and independance will ignore that and put their hands with extremist next door.
        5- he seems to go against the spirit of what he preaches in mercy, liberty and justice by defending the butcher next door
        6- but most importantly, he seems to ignore what that butcher next door has done to the christians in Lebanon and pretends that he will protect them against extremism.

        from the reaction of the lebanese christians, it also looks like the patriarch has decided to express his views about the syrian revolution without “shura”, something i assume is unprecedent…but if i am wrong then plz correct me.

        this is nothing about m14 and m8, this is about if christians really want to to live under the shadow of a criminal who gives them fake protection.

        frankly i am also suprised with pple like you, libnani, who do not miss any chance to tell everybody of the ways the christians were marginalised in lebanon, turn their support towards a regime who are killing few christians oppositions members calling for freedom elsewhere. your hypocracy is immoral and disgusting.

         

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          Antar,
          All what the Patriarch said that he did not want the Christians in Syria to go through what the Iraqi or the Egyptian Christians went through. The moderate Sunnis in Iraq did not help protect the Christians and he does not count on the moderate Sunni Syrians to help the Syrian Christians. In Lebanon we don’t need protection and we are not marginalized either, yes we are divided politically on the surface but in reality the vast majority of the Christians support Aoun.
          You call the next door regime as brutal, I agree. This regime is the same regime that had been in power for 40 years. This is the same regime that the Lebanese Sunnis supported for the 34 years. This is the same regime that Sunnis befriended to marginalize the Christian. This is the same regime that controlled you for 30 years. This the same regime that helped you pass the Taif with guns over our heads. The old Syrian Sunni regime was the one Lebanese Sunnis joined to overthrough the Chamoun presidency in 1958. Back then the rest of the Lebanese joined us and the Syrians failed. These are history examples of what we went through. In 1975 you join the PLO to achieve political gains and to destroy the South. THESE ARE FACTS.
          The Lebanese army fought the Syrian army to liberate Lebanon including liberating you. You did not join us and we would have succeeded if all the Lebanese stood by the Lebanese army that is including the Sunnis, the Durse, the Shites and some of the Christians.

          So what do you think is going to change now? Are the Sunnis going to change? I hope so, but our Patriarch is not willing to take the risk.
          My friend I hope history does not repeat itself, people are evaluated based on their resumes. Sadly to say Sunni leaders don’t have good resumes.    

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            again libnani i repaet
            it is not fair to compare the syrian situation to the iraqi or to the egyptian ones and unfairly put the syrians and the lebanese in one basket…..because these pple who are going out each week under bullets, bombs and torture expressing their right in a free syria FOR ALL, in a democractic country that encompases all of its sects are most probably not going to marginalise minorities when they are in power..

            iraq is different, it is majority shiite not sunni. so the sunnis were like christians minority and caould not provide any protection for themselves first before anyone else’s…and anyway the country was invaded and helped by iran who had always had appetite in taking it over and it did….there were deaths and killings by anyone on anyone…not only christians…just comparing the numbers of christians before and after irani take over of iraq prooves your fears wrong….ask any christian iraqi would tell you the same.

            in lebanon the few extremist sunni groups are backed NOT by the majority of sunnis but suprise suprise by the tyrant who you want protection from and given weapons and money by the Hizb Aoun is putting his hands with…so when the tyrant next door falls, these few extremist groups are sure to fall too…simple logic! thus no comparison whatsoever!

            you have put it upon yourslef to speak in the name of all christians in lebanon and say you are not marginalised?…while all what we hear from Aounist are the marginilization of christian in lebanon by the big T word in 1990…are you prepared to tell Aoun, you are wrong Aoun, we as christians are all well and true?
            as for the majority of christians support Aoun…were there a survey or a national statistics with this or you are just saying this out of your own wishes and assumptions? if the pple who you talk to fall for this but i do not..i cannot take your words without prooves with national census or data.

            if i agree with you and say pple are evaluated on based on their resumes….then lets start with Aoun resume’s…not bright eh? ooops!

            as it was said a zillion times before, all politicians from every sect had their “moments” before, the political situation was much different then now and everybody had their own version of lebanon while eliminating those who did not fit in that version….but lebanese, all lebanese after Taif have opened a new page and were suppose to start anew,,,,and we all know what happened under syrian regime….however, in 2005 the lebanese, muslims and christians, were united against the regime you are willing to support now. in 2005 the bear of fear from the other was broken and it should have remained this way….except for the interfeerence again of the most racist regime in the arab world with Assad regime.

            you keep ignoring that and unforunately the Patriarch fell for that too.

            what do i think is going to change now?
            i wish that we all as lebanese, become pple who deserve our country…i wish we show that we really care for lebanon as a country. some lebanese are living in hatred towards their fathers who believed in an independent country called lebanon but have only expreienced an independent state on foreigners and an off shoot of syria next door. i wish that every lebanese figure who pple look up to, to think first outside of the square they live in [but not too far outside!], to be open minded of the other and listen with respect to the other, i wish all lebanese could trust each other. i wish we stop seeking protection from foreigners against each other.

            and saying things like we need protection from the sunnis is NOT a change for the better…

            as an aounist like yourself libnani, your syrian mouth in Aoun has the worst resume out of all politicians, i hate to tell you this but it really is stupid of you to tell who has good resumes or who doesn’t…..

            as for the insult at the end…i only have to remind you that rafeeq Harriri was a sunni…and he has better resume then at least Aoun simply because at least he has no blood on his hands.

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          Antar, thanks for the detailed replay. I never witnessed any
          of the events stated in my previous replay. I read about it from independent
          sources and was told by relatives. I think my information is fairly accurate.
          First Aoun and the Aunist in general don’t approve of killing innocent people; the
          Lebanese army under Aouns command fought 2 wars and never intentionally killed
          an innocent person.

           Aouns resume speaks
          for itself, FOUGHT FOR LEBANON. The Lebanese army under his command was
          defeated (if that makes you happy) when every Lebanese Militia, the Syrian A/F
          and its army with the political cover of many foreign countries. His resume’s objective:
          Tried to free Lebanon but failed because most of the Lebanese sided with the
          occupier.

          In 2005 the Aounist lead the rally go look at the pictures.
          His resume’s accomplishment would say. I contributed to liberate Lebanon with
          the help of the Lebanese (I wish the Lebanese helped 15 years ago).

          I have to go I will continue my thoughts later
          but before I go, I did not intend any insult I just said what I thought no pun
          intended.

      3. libnan1, by not leaving the door open for moderate  democratic sunnis or any other you disagree with you end up with   1 foot on banana peel and the other on being an extremist your self.

         i say this not in an insulting manner but as humble  brotherly advice .
        just like i have my blind spots that you can see and help me with, i can see your blind spot when you close the door to all others besides aounites and hizzites.

        all lebanese factions have sinned ,lost and grieved  and all should point their feet in the same direction that mutually benefits all fellow lebanese that include sunis,shiates,druze,christians, and all other civilian sects.
        this will not happen without good relations.
        good relations dont happen without   trust.
        trust does not take place with extemists as partners.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar

          geo metro, O lord, have I  SINNED?LOL
          Good advice to  my friend  from the  Shouf region.I  admire his  passion toward his  beloved  Aoun, and appreciate and respect  his  strong convictions, but I  hope He  would realize that ALL Lebanese politicians have their  flaws,and no one is perfect . 

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar

          geo metro, O lord, have I  SINNED?LOL
          Good advice to  my friend  from the  Shouf region.I  admire his  passion toward his  beloved  Aoun, and appreciate and respect  his  strong convictions, but I  hope He  would realize that ALL Lebanese politicians have their  flaws,and no one is perfect . 

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          Geo,
          I’m not an extremist by any means. I attend church regularly but not a fanatic, I actually think that some people that attend church don’t apply the teaching of the church.  I do have Muslim friends (more Shites than Sunnis) and one of my best friends is a Druse. I discuss these issues with them, sometimes we get in heated conversation but at the end all is well. Some people including my wife tell me that my comments can
          be as she calls it “mean” at church or in discussing US politics with my American friends. Even at work when discussing technical issues I come out intense but always with a smile. This makes my personality distinguished, thanks God very successful and well known in my line of work.
          I don’t polish a tort; I just say it the way it is without name calling of personal insults.  We must speak our feelings and present our thoughts to understand each and hopefully teach our children so they can be better than us or our parents.
          Enough of sweeping the dirt under the carpet like nothing ever happened, other generations before us tried it and did not work. We need to express our fear and make sure the other side understands that fear. Maybe I should point to a leader of a sect not the people of that sect in my future comments.
          Criticism well taken,  thanks.

        4. libnan1  for years i tried to get an aviation customer to come on board with my small company and finally when he did he told me that i got the contract because i never spoke badly of his previous contractor that was 83 years old and retiring, i made the point to him that the fact that he was so loyal to his previous vendor made him more appealing to me as i knew he would be loyal to me when the right time came. i agree with  prophet that you are passionate and loyal   and i respect you and wish you and your loved ones gods blessings 24/7

        5. my friend prophet,
          i would not be confessing your sins on this site… as without confessions stoning you was a  a national sport at one time. lol boy am i glad you dont bruise to easily.
          but now that you have confessedpublicly  hugh heffner would like your autograph for your notorious lengthy rap sheet of past  escapades.lol

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          Thank you Geo, you are first class. I’m passionate because I deeply care about our beloved homeland even though I lived here most of my life. We will never get anywhere if we are not honest in expressing our feelings. I don’t intend by any means to hurt anyone. I just say what a lot of people feel but never express. I might have some rough edges, I’m working on filling them down …..:) 

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          Geo,my Freind,
          Don’t  the  french  say :A sin confessed is half forgiven?lol

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          people forget that the dog aoun attacked the lebanese forces before he attacked the syria . did he expect the LF to side with him after he just attacked them.

  21. Patriarch Rai represents the voice of wisdom which is very rare in a country like Lebanon.

    1. shankarees Avatar

      “Wisdom” of stupidity!

      1. Don’t worry the man knows what he is talking about.

        1. shankarees Avatar

          Both of you and he are politically heretical and should be anathematized if you do not recant.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Sankarees !! (below)
            ‘Anathematized’…. cursed or condemned because we do not conform to some religious/church doctrine??
           ‘Poop’, I say, on you. 🙂

        3. shankarees Avatar

          5thDrawer (below)
          Poop in your mouth.  I meant anathematized in the political sense, ya 7maar!  I am not discussing theology but political heresy.

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          Sankarees !! (below – again 🙂 
          Well … by using a Greek word based on religious connotations, I naturally suspected you were dragging religion into politics again. 😉  And I’m trying to get them separated. Yah … so I’m a heretic too. xox  🙂

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          Sankarees !! (below – again 🙂 
          Well … by using a Greek word based on religious connotations, I naturally suspected you were dragging religion into politics again. 😉  And I’m trying to get them separated. Yah … so I’m a heretic too. xox  🙂

        6. shankarees Avatar

          5thDrawer !! (below – again 🙂
          My dear, it is not a Greek word.  It is English and “anathematized” is English past tense.  In this sense, I meant that his beatitude should be urged to not interfere in politics.  I respect him as head of the Maronite Church, while I am a Melkite Greek Catholic have already excommunicated/anathematized our Syrian Melkite Patriarch La77aam.  He’s a useless air-head and not anywhere near the late Patriarch Maximus V.  So, simply put, I was using a theological term in a political setting since the religious understand it better.  Further, based on your position, I don’t believe you are a political heretic.  You have been politically sound.  I cannot determine your religious heresy or not without examining your beliefs i.e. if they are fully in compliance with the teaching of the Apostles and not a Protestant (who are heretics).  xoxoxo  🙂

        7. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Shankarees … after all those x’s and o’s I’m ready to forget religion entirely !!
             But if you are not a lady, we could both be in a world of heretical problems. 😉
          Ahem!
            My Oxford Dictionary says root of word ‘anathematised’ is ‘anathema’ … From Greek  ‘thing devoted to evil’.
          But maybe you use American Dictionary … they like to change the language I know. 😉
            I don’t want to argue that with you …. 😉 
          Hmmmm … now back to examining my ‘beliefs’ … do you like secluded or ‘clothing optional’ beaches? What was it you wanted to examine again ?? Oh … yes …. my position …. mmm … bottom is ok … 😉

        8. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Shankarees … after all those x’s and o’s I’m ready to forget religion entirely !!
             But if you are not a lady, we could both be in a world of heretical problems. 😉
          Ahem!
            My Oxford Dictionary says root of word ‘anathematised’ is ‘anathema’ … From Greek  ‘thing devoted to evil’.
          But maybe you use American Dictionary … they like to change the language I know. 😉
            I don’t want to argue that with you …. 😉 
          Hmmmm … now back to examining my ‘beliefs’ … do you like secluded or ‘clothing optional’ beaches? What was it you wanted to examine again ?? Oh … yes …. my position …. mmm … bottom is ok … 😉

        9. shankarees Avatar

          5thDrawer !!  Hehehe… dirty mind too??  Middle Easterner/Mediterranean men kiss and hug.  Russian men kiss on the lips.  So, no problem; I am a full hot blooded man and you are safe.  Anyway, even it were what you thought the x’s and o’s were, it is not heretical belief but Moral Theology that would be in the way; yet be not afraid.  None of this is intended.  I just wanted no hard feelings. 

          Regarding dictionaries, I remember very well that dictionaries are not the final reference but what people use.  We hear this a lot in U.S. politics.  Biblical quotes even Catholic supplications are used in politics such as “Rob Peter to give Paul” or this needs a “Hail Mary”…etc. on subject that have nothing to do with religion.  Anyway, the Greek “things devoted to evil” is allowing Assad to kill people and Hezbollah to setup a state within Lebanon.  There can be no more evil than this…maybe!

          I am a liberal, so “clothing optional” and those who are bothered don’t look.  Finally, based on your last phrase, I guess we agree because my position is top.  😉  We can now kiss and makeout…err I meant makeup.

        10. shankarees Avatar

          5thDrawer !!  Hehehe… dirty mind too??  Middle Easterner/Mediterranean men kiss and hug.  Russian men kiss on the lips.  So, no problem; I am a full hot blooded man and you are safe.  Anyway, even it were what you thought the x’s and o’s were, it is not heretical belief but Moral Theology that would be in the way; yet be not afraid.  None of this is intended.  I just wanted no hard feelings. 

          Regarding dictionaries, I remember very well that dictionaries are not the final reference but what people use.  We hear this a lot in U.S. politics.  Biblical quotes even Catholic supplications are used in politics such as “Rob Peter to give Paul” or this needs a “Hail Mary”…etc. on subject that have nothing to do with religion.  Anyway, the Greek “things devoted to evil” is allowing Assad to kill people and Hezbollah to setup a state within Lebanon.  There can be no more evil than this…maybe!

          I am a liberal, so “clothing optional” and those who are bothered don’t look.  Finally, based on your last phrase, I guess we agree because my position is top.  😉  We can now kiss and makeout…err I meant makeup.

        11. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Ah Shankarees.
            A good ‘exchange’; and even while being a conservatively socialistic type, I can imagine a liberal ‘thought’ on occasion … although it’s age that makes the bottom position more comfortable and I’d rather be facing up. My dirty mind, often sated at the beach, sees no evil there with an occasional Mary, ‘well-hailed’ for other than theological reasons. 🙂
              Thanks for agreement on where the evil lies … and I’m sure Rai recognizes it … perhaps he is sucked into this vortex that is politics in Liban more from exasperation than worry about his showing at the polls. And that is as it should be in a theological sense – that attempt at reconciliation of all the actors – yet it highlights the reason politics and theology don’t work well together.

        12. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Ah Shankarees.
            A good ‘exchange’; and even while being a conservatively socialistic type, I can imagine a liberal ‘thought’ on occasion … although it’s age that makes the bottom position more comfortable and I’d rather be facing up. My dirty mind, often sated at the beach, sees no evil there with an occasional Mary, ‘well-hailed’ for other than theological reasons. 🙂
              Thanks for agreement on where the evil lies … and I’m sure Rai recognizes it … perhaps he is sucked into this vortex that is politics in Liban more from exasperation than worry about his showing at the polls. And that is as it should be in a theological sense – that attempt at reconciliation of all the actors – yet it highlights the reason politics and theology don’t work well together.

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    Patriarch Rai represents the voice of wisdom which is very rare in a country like Lebanon.

    1.  Avatar

      “Wisdom” of stupidity!

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        Don’t worry the man knows what he is talking about.

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          Both of you and he are politically heretical and should be anathematized if you do not recant.

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          Sankarees !! (below)
            ‘Anathematized’…. cursed or condemned because we do not conform to some religious/church doctrine??
           ‘Poop’, I say, on you. 🙂

        3.  Avatar

          Sankarees !! (below)
            ‘Anathematized’…. cursed or condemned because we do not conform to some religious/church doctrine??
           ‘Poop’, I say, on you. 🙂

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          5thDrawer (below)
          Poop in your mouth.  I meant anathematized in the political sense, ya 7maar!  I am not discussing theology but political heresy.

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          Sankarees !! (below – again 🙂  Well … by using a Greek word based on religious connotations, I naturally suspected you were dragging religion into politics again. 😉  And I’m trying to get them separated. Yah … so I’m a heretic too. xox  🙂
           

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          5thDrawer !! (below – again 🙂
          My dear, it is not a Greek word.  It is English and “anathematized” is English past tense.  In this sense, I meant that his beatitude should be urged to not interfere in politics.  I respect him as head of the Maronite Church, while I am a Melkite Greek Catholic have already excommunicated/anathematized our Syrian Melkite Patriarch La77aam.  He’s a useless air-head and not anywhere near the late Patriarch Maximus V.  So, simply put, I was using a theological term in a political setting since the religious understand it better.  Further, based on your position, I don’t believe you are a political heretic.  You have been politically sound.  I cannot determine your religious heresy or not without examining your beliefs i.e. if they are fully in compliance with the teaching of the Apostles and not a Protestant (who are heretics).  xoxoxo  🙂

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          Shankarees … after all those x’s and o’s I’m ready to forget religion entirely !!
             But if you are not a lady, we could both be in a world of heretical problems. 😉
          Ahem!
            My Oxford Dictionary says root of word ‘anathematised’ is ‘anathema’ … From Greek  ‘thing devoted to evil’.
          But maybe you use American Dictionary … they like to change the language I know. 😉
            I don’t want to argue that with you …. 😉 
          Hmmmm … now back to examining my ‘beliefs’ … do you like secluded or ‘clothing optional’ beaches? What was it you wanted to examine again ?? 😉

        8.  Avatar

          5thDrawer !!  Hehehe… dirty mind too??  Middle Easterner/Mediterranean men kiss and hug.  Russian men kiss on the lips.  So, no problem; I am a full hot blooded man and you are safe.  Anyway, even it were what you thought the x’s and o’s were, it is not heretical belief but Moral Theology that would be in the way; yet be not afraid.  None of this is intended.  I just wanted no hard feelings. 

          Regarding dictionaries, I remember very well that dictionaries are not the final reference but what people use.  We hear this a lot in U.S. politics.  Biblical quotes even Catholic supplications are used in politics such as “Rob Peter to give Paul” or this needs a “Hail Mary”…etc. on subject that have nothing to do with religion.  Anyway, the Greek “things devoted to evil” is allowing Assad to kill people and Hezbollah to setup a state within Lebanon.  There can be no more evil than this…maybe!

          I am a liberal, so “clothing optional” and those who are bothered don’t look.  Finally, based on your last phrase, I guess we agree because my position is top.  😉  We can now kiss and makeout…err I meant makeup.

        9.  Avatar

          Ah Shankarees.
            A good ‘exchange’; and even while being a conservatively socialistic type, I can imagine a liberal ‘thought’ on occasion … although it’s age that makes the bottom position more comfortable and I’d rather be facing up. My dirty mind, often sated at the beach, sees no evil there with an occasional Mary, ‘well-hailed’ for other than theological reasons. 🙂
              Thanks for agreement on where the evil lies … and I’m sure Rai recognizes it … perhaps he is sucked into this vortex that is politics in Liban more from exasperation than worry about his showing at the polls. And that is as it should be in a theological sense – that attempt at reconciliation of all the actors – yet it highlights the reason politics and theology don’t work well together.

  23. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Next Time Patriarch Rai makes a statement addressing a different issue, or even same issues He addressed last week, you will notice those who praised him for his wisdom and sense of responsibility,how they would suddenly criticize him and throw all sorts of accusations; and those who have criticized him this week, and boycotted him, would praise him and call him the true conscious of the nation. Typical Lebanese politics.

  24. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Next Time Patriarch Rai makes a statement addressing a different issue, or even same issues He commented on last week, you will notice those who praised him for his wisdom and sense of responsibility,how they would suddenly criticize him and throw all sorts of accusations; and those who have criticized him this week, and boycotted him, would praise him and call him the true conscious of the nation. Typical Lebanese politics.

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      Religious and clerics should stay the hell out of politics whether it is patriarchs, bishops, muftis or shaikhs.

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        hear hear!

  25. prophet, the french many be right but the problem is you got too many halfs left.lol

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar

      geo, I better  change the  subject before My 16 year old daughter reads all of this.

      After all this might confirm all of her suspicions.lol

  26. prophet, the french many be right but the problem is you got too many halfs left.lol

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar

      geo, I better  change the  subject before My 16 year old daughter reads all of this.It was a joke after all.lol

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