Vatican sacks Polish gay priest after highly public coming out

Monsignor Krzystof Charamsa smiles as he leaves at the end of his news conference in downtown Rome October 3, 2015.  REUTERS/Alessandro Bianchi
Monsignor Krzystof Charamsa smiles as he leaves at the end of his news conference in downtown Rome October 3, 2015. REUTERS/Alessandro Bianchi

The Vatican on Saturday dismissed a Polish priest from his Holy See job after he came out as gay and called for changes in Catholic teachings against homosexual activity on the eve of a major Church meeting on the family.

Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa, a theologian, had worked at the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican’s doctrinal arm, since 2003, and taught theology at pontifical universities in Rome, which have also dismissed him.

Charamsa, 43, told Italy’s Corriere della Sera newspaper and Polish media that he was gay and had a partner. The Church teaches that homosexuality is not a sin but homosexual activity is, and priests, whether heterosexual or gay, take vows of celibacy.

Charasma followed up his media interviews with a packed news conference with his partner and gay activists at a Rome restaurant. They had planned a demonstration in front of the Vatican but changed the venue several hours before it was due to have started.

The Vatican said the dismissal had nothing to do with Charasma’s reflections on his personal life, which it said “merit respect”.

But it said his interviews and the planned demonstration was “grave and irresponsible” given their timing on the eve of a synod of bishops who will discuss family issues, including the Church’s position on gays.

The Vatican said his actions were aimed at subjecting the synod, which Pope Francis opens on Sunday, to “undue media pressure”. He presided at prayer vigil for the synod on Saturday night before tens of thousands of people in St Peter’s Square.

At the news conference, Charamsa said he wanted to make “an enormous noise for the good of the Church” and apply “good Christian pressure” on the synod not to forget homosexual believers.

“This decision of mine to come out was a very personal one taken in a Catholic Church that is homophobic and very difficult and harsh (towards gays),” he said.

Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, which ministers to Catholic gays, said the Vatican’s move was “sadly disappointing.”

“It is unfortunate that Church leaders did not see Charamsa’s announcement as an opportunity for further dialogue with someone they have known and trusted,” DeBarnardo said.

At the news conference, Charamsa suggested that a study be made of how many homosexuals work in the Vatican.

“I ask the pope to be strong and to remember us, homosexuals, lesbians, transsexuals and bisexuals as children of the Church and members of humanity,” Charamsa said.

The issue of homosexuality and the Church has dominated the aftermath of the pope’s visit to the United States last week.

The Vatican has been embarrassed by a row over the pope’s meeting during his U.S. trip with Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail in September for refusing to honor a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and issue same-sex marriage licences.

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  • O

    Typical. Not surprised the priest is gay. Man isn’t born to be celibate.

    • Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Was he born to screw?

      • 5thDrawer

        Seems so … it’s the only way to naturally procreate. Sticking it in knot-holes in trees didn’t help a lot in the ‘production’ end … although some females, wishing a rest, may have enjoyed simply watching this ‘relief’. ;-))

        • O

          LOLLLLLL
          geez you can be normal

          • 5thDrawer

            Well, I like to think so.
            Any time 2 lesbians asked: “Would you like to watch?” (very rare), I said: “Sure, if that’s all I have to do, and Do you have coffee?”
            Any time a sweet guy gave me the eye and asked: “Do you think you’d be interested in .. you know … getting together at my place sometime.” … I might have felt a little flattered, but simply said: “No Thanks … I only Give at the Orifice.”

          • O

            LOLLLLLLLLLL
            I honestly LOL’d for about a minute before I could reply.
            And I’m still laughing. And once upon a time I wanted to be a doctor. Hmmm

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You a doctor, I’m going to lollll for ever…………………you want to feel my pulse.

          • O

            I don’t need to feel. I can already tell you are a deadbeat

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Deadbeat not yet, do me a favour and grab a handful of 5th he is old and wise but lacks throb. Show him you care.

          • 5thDrawer

            Ohh Mab … you Do like me. 😉 And you can tell the Ladies this old line for me:
            ‘I’m not as good as I once was, but I’m as good once as I ever was.’
            (could save the young ones from some wear&tear too … ;-)))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Contrary to popular belief, I like everyone. But when it comes to linguistics many people have an issue with my details. Maybe it’s to harsh and abrupt but stiff stiffies it is what it is. Your never too old to throw one up an O, besides they shouldn’t be oldaphobic, that’s discriminatory and bigotry at it’s worst.

          • 5thDrawer

            Sure is …considering practically everyone from the time they are 14, WANTS to be older. ;-))

          • O

            When it’s related to sex, it’s not discrimination if one doesn’t find older people sexually appealing. Just like a gay gay is discriminating against females by not finding them sexually appealing. Or a straight guy not finding men sexually…….
            But CHOOSING to hate gays is discrimination and bigotry. And you sitting agreeing with him makes you as guilty as him.

          • O

            * just like a gay ISN’T

          • 5thDrawer

            Oh dear, now I’m ‘guilty’ again … sigh … even if he was the one who thinks I lack ‘throb’ … Well, blindfold me, and we can test the ‘theories’ then. Bring a ‘selection’. ;-)))

          • O

            Did I mention anything about “throb”? No.
            Maybe next quote the part of the comment you agree with. Coz by saying “I agree” to all the comment, means something different.

          • 5thDrawer

            That means I’d have to ‘segment’ every news story in here TOO.

          • O

            It makes for easier and better understanding. And may be one of the reasons quoting was created. I could be wrong 😛

          • 5thDrawer

            Well .. just bring the blindfold then.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I really don’t hate gay people I just don’t like homosexuality and everything to do with it. Get over your illusions. Moslems are people and deserve the same rights as anyone but their mission is doomed. Asains, Africans, myself all the same in my eyes. I’m a man of peace trust me but I can make all the noise I like cos I can.

          • man-o-war

            “I really don’t hate gay people I just don’t like homosexuality and everything to do with it. ” Haha, interesting.

            “Moslems are people and deserve the same rights as anyone but their mission is doomed”, again, lol. Keep them coming!

          • O

            “I’m a man of peace trust me but I can make all the noise I like cos I can.”

            I’m not saying you are anything like hitler!
            But didn’t he once get nominated for a Nobel peace prize and then a year or so later made all the noise coz he could??
            See if you can work that one out. And I’m honestly not being nasty.

          • 5thDrawer

            THIS, Dear O, is where you fail to understand the word itself. We ALL ‘discriminate’ – picking what we like out from what we don’t. It’s actually good to discriminate – it’s the choice between what’s good and what’s bad – most often for health reasons. Show me a table with corn and asparagus, the asparagus can stay there. Show me a table with only asparagus, the table can stay there. I discriminate.
            This has become another badly abused word … like ‘gay’.

          • man-o-war

            “Contrary to popular belief, I like everyone” , quit lying you bigot. You just told Hind to quit being soft. Just admit it, you don’t like Muslims and you despise homosexuals. Did I miss anyone? How do you feel about Blacks and Asians?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Firstly, finish that kranskii before you speak , secondly shut up.

          • man-o-war

            The truth hurts? You dumb bigot.

          • O

            “Contrary to popular belief, I like everyone”

            Except Muslims, Jews, Hindus, gays, lesbians, blacks, Asians etc etc.
            “But I like “everyone”…….else”!!!

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I’ll clear it up a little, not the poor people at all, only their beliefs and their leaders. People are readily lead astray.

          • 5thDrawer

            Actually, Mab …. at the time I turned 50 I had a female doctor. She smiled looking at my age in the file …. then explained the need & importance of ‘the new exams’ … and how could I help but follow all instructions? Let’s not mention the ‘ball-check’.

          • O

            But why the coffee?

          • 5thDrawer

            I like coffee … too.

          • Hind Abyad

            Strange..where’s “Decartes” avatar to whom your posting this reply? It was there minutes ago.

          • 5thDrawer

            I didn’t see it …might have been nodding … going for 3rd coffee …
            BTW …. Happy Thanksgiving … Today, I Eat. 😉

          • O

            “I only Give at the Orifice”

            How do I say this… Ok in my usual style, straight out.
            Guys,even gay guys, have “orifices”.
            So does that mean you “gave”? 😛

      • O

        According to your religion, YES!

        “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman”

  • Hannibal

    I wonder what Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa taught his students when it came to explaining Sodom and gomorrha or for that matter Leviticus:

    “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”
    “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death;their blood is upon them.”
    or Romans:
    “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    and so on…
    Obviously some view these as false interpretations of the original text.
    Theology should not be divisive… Either rectify and accept or interpret clearly the text and follow its teachings. We are sick of it. Make up your mind.

    • O

      lmfao and you have the audacity to call Muslims backward. Homophobic Christian extremist.

      • Hannibal

        You read to answer with a predetermined mindset.
        Reread my comment… I did not approve nor deny. I just asked them to make up their mind.
        Honestly O step up or do not engage. Use some emotional intelligence now and then it will help you with your argument.

        • O

          Sweetie, are you denying being homophobic????

        • Hind Abyad

          Give up

          • O

            Still telling others what to do. Typical Iranian mentality

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Moslems aren’t backward they off track, way off.

        • man-o-war

          Right, and religious people like you and hind are backwards when it comes to views on homosexuality.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You need to stop eating kranksi’s.

          • man-o-war

            If you’re dad would just let it out of his mouth for a second. He deep throats that shit like a porn star.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Sahtan ya albek.

          • man-o-war

            I haven’t even had a taste yet. Tell your dad to quit hogging the “sausage “

          • O

            You were putting him in his place much better with resorting to his level of personal attacks.
            Let him attack you personally while you ignore them and continue with facts about how warped and prehistoric attitudes like his are.
            Trust me, I should know what I’m talking about :))

          • O

            *with = without

            (Grrrrr I hate when I do that)

          • man-o-war

            Yeah, I know. The high road is always the better way to go, but I can’t help myself sometimes. I did start that way, but then he started with the insults. Maybe I’m just a low road kind of guy ; )

    • Maborlz Ez-Hari

      It’s crystal clear, I’m sick of entertaining the idea that homosexuality is acceptable, well it’s not acceptable it’s detestable, it’s abhorrent, it’s repulsive, it’s a disease, it’s a scourge, it’s shameful, it’s horrendous, it’s disastrous and it needs to be kicked in the butt with the arsenal that the Church was built on. Bye the way it’s not only homosexuality that goodness disapproves of.

      • 5thDrawer

        Ah well … in some ‘societies’, the act of ‘killing’ has taken a back seat to ‘sex’ hasn’t it?? :-)))

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          No, your interpretation is way out of line. You know better you just enjoy throwing spanners. Throw them all you like, homosexuality got no room in my kind of society, you are indiferent to it accept it but not in my life time.

          • Hind Abyad

            Especially horrible, they can marry and adopt innocent children, who can’t decide for themselves..

          • 5thDrawer

            Well, it’s one way of taking care of the unwanted babies without putting them in ‘orphanages’ run by the ‘local celibate’ … or the schools of the ISISies … right? I cannot be sure which is more horrible myself. Maybe one could ask a child who was raised by same-sex parents how it all went for them. Castigating ALL (of one sect) for the possibility of a few bad apples seems to be ‘the norm’ anyway. For sure I KNOW those Lebanese orphans are not safe in the hands of a houseful of women … not even the one which saved it’s life can legally adopt without a ‘male’ around the house … although generally speaking, the whole lot of them are going to die slowly for the same reason.
            Personally, I think that’s horrible,
            But as Maborlz says, it’s only my opinion. I HAVE seen that not many have it.

          • Hind Abyad

            Children should never have to say to their friends i have two fathers, or two mothers or be humiliate when the “parents” come to school.

          • MekensehParty

            or tell their friends Hind is my mom
            that’s extremely humiliating

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes Meekhrenzy..

          • 5thDrawer

            Actually, Mekenseh, kids DO understand better … 😉 … Don’t you remember some kids saying: ‘OHhh, was THAT Your mother??’ …. and in some cases, everyone laughing? :-)))
            According to my Daughter, her friends only noticed me, and said: ‘He’s SO handsome.’
            ;-))))))

          • Hind Abyad

            so, my son’s friends thought i was his older sister..

          • 5thDrawer

            Sexy you … maintaining ‘the look’ so WELL. 😉 xox

          • Hind Abyad

            I’m leaving for the South (of France) in two weeks 🙂 yes i like O.

          • 5thDrawer

            I thought you were going to say I am a bad boy. But you know that. Too.

            Lucky YOU !! Memories flood back … sigh …. Bon Voyage … AND Take CARE.
            Maybe I can get ‘info’ from a French friend about ‘travel’. Unless you know someone there.

          • Hind Abyad

            I don’t need your sermons..

          • 5thDrawer

            It has been said that we don’t change ‘character’ basically after 18 or 20.
            So I guess you don’t need a ‘sermon’ because those rarely changed me either.
            If a child is raised to 18 by 2 males or 2 females, and has been taught that it’s particular circumstance is unusual, maybe saved it’s life, and that it is free to follow it’s own desires in life when it thinks it’s ready to survive in it … do you think the ‘parents’ will have heart attacks if it finds the opposite sex the most attractive?

          • O

            Aren’t you just a beacon of understanding and accepting.
            No wonder you hate so much coz your religion is full of hate and hypocrisy

          • man-o-war

            “Especially horrible, they can marry and adopt innocent children, who can’t decide for themselves..” I totally disagree with this statement.

            Would you rather the kids go unadopted and left in adoption homes? At least loving parents are adopting the kids, who cares if its two moms or two dads. They are both equally capable of showing love and nurturing a child.They kids just want someone to love and care for them. You don’t think that a gay or lesbian couple are capable of loving a child?

          • Hind Abyad

            We all have the right to our opinion.:) a child’s brain is not capable of understanding adults problems.

            A same-sex couple has, by definition, two persons at high risk for psychological disorders.

            The studies published in the Archives of General Psychiatry found that persons self-identified as homosexual in comparison to the general public had almost double the rate of suicidal ideation or attempts, substance abuse problems and psychological disorders. One of the studies found that 78.6% of the gay, lesbian or bisexual group suffered from multiple disorders.Consider the consequences of giving a special needs child or a child with an attachment disorder, something that is very common among children adopted from orphanages overseas, to a couple where one or both suffer from a psychological disorder or substance abuse problem.

          • man-o-war

            “All major professional mental health organizations are on record as stating that homosexuality is not a mental disorder.

            The American Psychological Association states that being gay is just as healthy as being straight, and noted that the 1950s-era work of Dr. Evelyn Hooker started to dismantle this myth. In 1975, the association issued a statement that said, in part, “homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, reliability or general social and vocational capabilities.” The association has clearly stated in the past that “homosexuality is neither mental illness nor mental depravity. … Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals.”

            The American Psychiatric Association states that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and that all major professional health organizations are on record as confirming that. The organization removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual in 1973 after extensive review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts, who concluded that homosexuality is not a mental illness.

            Though it is true that LGBT people tend to suffer higher rates of anxiety, depression, and depression-related illnesses and behaviors like alcohol and drug abuse than the general population, that is due to the historical social stigmatization of homosexuality and violence directed at LGBT people, not because of homosexuality itself. Studies done during the past several years have determined that it is the stress of being a member of a minority group in an often-hostile society — and not LGBT identity itself — that accounts for the higher levels of mental illness and drug use.

            Richard J. Wolitski, an expert on minority status and public health issues at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, put it like this in 2008: “Economic disadvantage, stigma, and discrimination … increase stress and diminish the ability of individuals [in minority groups] to cope with stress, which in turn contribute to poor physical and mental health.”

            Even as early as 1994, external stressors were recognized as a potential cause of emotional distress of LGBT people. A report presented by the Council on Scientific Affairs to the AMA House of Delegates Interim Meeting with regard to reparative (“ex-gay”) therapy noted that most of the emotional disturbance gay men and lesbians experience around their sexual identity is not based on physiological causes, but rather on “a sense of alienation in an unaccepting environment.”

            In 2014, a study, conducted by several researchers at major universities and the Rand Corporation, found that LGBT people living in highly anti-LGBT communities and circumstances face serious health concerns and even premature death because of social stigmatization and exclusion. One of the researchers, Dr. Mark Hatzenbuehler, a sociomedical sciences professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University, said that the data gathered in the study suggests that “sexual minorities living in communities with high levels of anti-gay prejudice have increased risk of mortality, compared to low-prejudice communities.”

            Homosexuality is not a mental illness or emotional problem and being LGBT does not cause someone to be mentally ill, contrary to what anti-LGBT organizations say. Rather, social stigmatization and prejudice appear to contribute to health disparities in the LGBT population, which include emotional and psychological distress and harmful coping mechanisms.”

            https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/10-anti-gay-myths-debunked

          • O

            I honestly replied to hind before reading this.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            It’s not a mental disorder it’s a perversion, the American psychological association can get fucked in the arse as you do it seems.

          • man-o-war

            “the American psychological association can get fucked in the arse as you do it seems” Wow, you’re a homophobic bigot. Just because I don’t believe in your bigotry and hate you’re going to attack me personally. I’m heterosexual, but I’m 100% for freedom of choice as long as it is not harming others. A man/man or woman/woman having sex affects you in absolutely no way. Also, just because you’re a man that loves another man doesn’t automatically mean they’re having anal sex. Some people just don’t like it. There are heterosexual couples that have anal sex too. You’re a joke. Do you think homosexuals deserve the death penalty too?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Being a homophobic bigot means nothing to me, I couldn’t care less what you call me. And if your not against it then your with it, homosexuality is creepy, filthy and getting way out of control. If I’m against it, that’s my opinion and that’s my right if you disagree with me your a donkey.

          • man-o-war

            It means nothing to you, but it means everything to the people you interact with on a daily basis. I’m pretty sure in public you keep your bigoted views to yourself, because thats what cowards do.

            “homosexuality is creepy, filthy and getting way out of control.”, if you’re not engaging in it yourself, it’s non of your business what others want to do with each other.

            Nobody said you didn’t have a right to your opinion, no matter how bigoted it is. You’re the fucking moron who attacked me douchebag. I heard you love taking it in the ass, but only if its a woman with a strap-on or a large dildo, you know because you’re not gay.

          • O

            “Being a homophobic bigot”

            It means you are a criminal coz bigotry is a crime in oz

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Eat it.

          • O

            Go get an education!
            It’s backward people like you that promote hatred of anything you don’t like, which is fuelling world wars. And if you don’t like western values then you know where the airport is and I’m sure the Australian government won’t lose sleep over the loss of a bigot.

          • Hind Abyad

            I have a friend that’s homosexual (not active) so i know what you’re saying. but about adopting children, this is a personal thing..

          • man-o-war

            A child’s brain is not able to even understand heterosexuality. They shouldn’t be discussing sex until a later age anyway.

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s my point.

          • man-o-war

            No it’s not, you’re trying to say that homosexual couples shouldn’t be allowed to adopt. Why? Because you think the kids aren’t able to understand homosexuality.

          • Hind Abyad

            Homosexuality – heterosexuality- is same problem for a child’s brain to apsorb.. that was my simple point of view.

          • man-o-war

            Ok, so that shouldn’t be a concern when it comes to same sex couples adopting children.

          • Hind Abyad

            It is to me..i once was a child.

          • O

            “I have a friend that’s homosexual (not active)”

            What does a “not active” homosexual mean?

          • Hind Abyad

            Mean he’s ambiguous

          • O

            You mean he’s undecided or hasn’t accepted himself?

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes

          • 5thDrawer

            Means he knows what he wants but can’t get it … something like being ‘aged’.

          • man-o-war

            “a child’s brain is not capable of understanding adults problems.”, I don’t understand why the child needs to understand adult problems. They are kids after all. They just want to be loved and cared for. What are they supposed to be understanding?

          • O

            Maybe homosexuals and lesbians have all these problems coz religious people give them such a hard time.

          • man-o-war

            Goes back to my point a while back. Religious people can be the most hateful bigoted close minded people on earth. It doesn’t matter the religion.

          • Hind Abyad

            It is Not a question of religion if you are referring to me..i’m not religious and against sectarianism.

          • man-o-war

            You’re not religious? You had me fooled, I thought you were a devout Christian.
            Anyway, I wasn’t referring to you. I was making a general statement towards the religious community.

          • Hind Abyad

            I’m a Melkite Christian, i don’t go to pray at church every Sunday so ..not religious 🙂

          • man-o-war

            I guess if that’s the criteria for not being religious.

          • 5thDrawer

            lololol … that’s what she was laughing at too … 😉

          • O

            Yeh my thoughts exactly.

          • Hind Abyad

            IT’s NOT a criteria for not being religious.. sorry, i should have said “Christian”.

          • man-o-war

            I’m not sure what you mean, but if you’re not religious or “Christian”. Where does the discrimination against homosexual couples adopting children stem from?

          • Hind Abyad

            I have the right to my personal opinions as i said, i put myself in the child position who’s not able to understand adults problems and SEX orientation. I’m not in a courthouse !!

          • man-o-war

            Do you feel like you’re on trial in a courthouse? I agree, you have a right to your personal opinion. When you put that personal opinion out in a public forum I have a right to question your opinion. Do you agree?

            “i put myself in the child position who’s not able to understand adults problems and SEXUAL orientation”, you keep saying this, but I don’t see how it’s any different from a heterosexual or homosexual couple adopting a child.

            Most responsible parents aren’t discussing sex or SEXUAL orientation with their children until they are mature enough to understand.

          • Hind Abyad

            I agree.
            We already spoke about this..the children adopted before they are mature enough to understand homosexuality or heterosexuality.
            I said Before!!

          • man-o-war

            Hind, no offense, but you’re not making sense. “the children adopted before they are mature enough to understand homosexuality or heterosexuality.” ok, what’s your point? They are adopted by a heterosexual or homosexual couple before they are mature enough to understand. So, the responsible parents wait until they are mature enough to understand and explain why they have two fathers or two mothers. It still makes no difference if the parents are homo or hetero when they adopt the child.

            You should put yourself in the child’s shoe that is moved from one orphanage to the next with no stability in their life. Never feeling loved or like they belong somewhere. You think they care if the person that adopts them and loves them are gay? They get their own room, love, compassion, caring, presents for Christmas, and celebrate their birthdays.

          • O

            Do you think it’s “especially horrible” that heterosexuals adopt?

          • Hind Abyad

            You don’t make sense, this is sarcasm…

          • O

            How do I not make sense?

            You said it is “Especially horrible, they can marry and adopt innocent children”.

            And I’m asking if it is “especially horrible” if heterosexuals do it too?

            No need for personal attacks. I’m not being sarcastic!

          • Hind Abyad

            “.. that heterosexuals adopt? I don’t understand.
            We are turning in circles.

          • O

            Lets just leave those one 🙂

          • O

            And the only reason other children would give children of same sex marriage a hard time is coz of the “education” they are getting from the adults in their life.
            If everyone treated everyone else equally then we would not even have this discussion.

          • man-o-war

            Yep, they most likely have parents like mabrolz. Hate starts in the home. Most likely a religious home, lol.

          • O

            I wonder what the percentages are for those that use religion to justify their hate as opposed to those that hate coz of religion?

          • Hind Abyad

            What about sectarian hatred?

          • man-o-war

            Hate is hate, sectarian or not, but most likely that starts in the home as well. Kids don’t know that they’re supposed to hate Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc… You’re getting off topic though.

          • O

            I said hate. Which means hate. If it is hate then I am talking about it.

          • Hind Abyad

            OK

          • O

            What about same sex couples that have children naturally? As in giving birth instead of adopting.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Picture this you stupid poofter, imagine your dad kissing some bloke in your home, or think about some lady fondling your mum’s titts in your home, on the other hand your mum and dad. Which idea made you want to throw up? Homosexuality leads to more errors, there is a riot raging against the traditional family and you don’t see it because your plotting against the values of tradition. Snap out of it, the ass hole is for dumping, and the smell of it during sex is sickening, have shit on your donga is dirty you like it go for it, but keep it in the closet the water closet if you have to.

          • man-o-war

            “Picture this you stupid proofter”, you’re a fucking douchebag. Your mentality is on par with the likes of daesh. Congratulations! You have something in common with them.

            You’re a moron, if my dad was with another bloke or mum is with a woman it would be in the privacy of their own home. Non of your business. Nobody is saying you and your family have to watch a man/man or woman/woman having sex. Get your filthy mind out of the gutter.

            Sounds like your problem is not with homosexuality, but rather anal sex. Haha, just further shows your ignorance and bigotry. Heterosexual couples engage in anal sex too you fucking idiot. Keep your penis out of bums and you won’t get shit on it. Why are you worried about other men’s penis getting shit on it? Does it distort your view of the perfect penis? Lol.

          • O

            “Why are you worried about other men’s penis getting shit on it? Does it distort your view of the perfect penis? Lol”

            LOLLLLLLLLLLL
            That literally had me roflmfao.

          • 5thDrawer

            You SEE?? Nobody wants to hand out the condoms. Nobody.

          • man-o-war

            Good point! Another way maborlz can keep shit off his penis, lol

          • O

            Hopefully no one reading this is eating and is easily put off their food.

          • O

            ” the ass hole is for dumping, and the smell of it during sex is sickening, having shit on your donga is dirty ”

            Surprising how you haven’t heard of a douche, seeing you are one.

          • 5thDrawer

            That’s ‘Enema’ in this case … or two or three … ;-))

          • O

            “imagine your dad kissing some bloke in your home, or think about some lady fondling your mum’s titts in your home, on the other hand your mum and dad”

            Yuk! They all disgust me! But not for the same reasons as you!
            No one likes to picture their parents having sex. Gross.

          • 5thDrawer

            Yes ..imagine being told all the time that ‘You’re Wrong’, ‘You’re Crazy’, ‘You’re Devil Seed’, ‘You’re going to BURN in some place we named Hell’, … or even …’You’re a Muslim’. ;-))
            That is Seriously going to make minds go a little crazy.

          • O

            Actually isn’t that what the world IS doing to Muslims? In fact, much worse, they are bombing them.

          • man-o-war

            Jamie Hubley (2011), age 15, committed suicide in October 14, 2011. The Ottawa teen was subjected to anti-gay bullying. Hubley’s death was the impetus for the Accepting Schools Act, 2012, an act of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario which mandated school boards across the province to develop tougher anti-bullying programs with tougher penalties for infractions, and offered legal protections for gay-straight alliances in the province’s schools.[20] On June 3, 2013, Allan Hubley and Laureen Harper announced a new federal anti-bullying strategy, which will see approximately 2,400 teenagers across Canada trained in delivering peer educationworkshops and presentations against bullying for their fellow students.[21]

            Tyler Clementi (1991–2010), age 18, a student at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey, who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge on September 22, 2010. On September 19, his roommate and a fellow hallmate allegedly used a webcam to view, without Clementi’s knowledge, Clementi kissing another man.[11] On September 21, the day prior to the suicide, the roommate allegedly urged friends and Twitter followers to watch via his webcam a second tryst between Clementi and his friend.[12][13] Clementi’s death brought national and international attention to the issue of cyberbullying and the struggles facing LGBTyouth.[14]

            Jadin Bell (2013), age 15, was an Oregon youth known for his suicide which raised the national profile on youth bullying and gay victimization in bullying. Bell, a 15-year-old gay youth, was allegedly “intensely bull[ied] both in person and on the internetbecause he was gay”. He was a member of the La Grande High School cheerleading team in La Grande, Oregon, where he was a sophomore. On January 14, 2013, Bell went to a local elementary school and hanged himself from the play structure. He did not immediately die from the strangulation and was rushed to the emergency room, where he was kept on life support.[1] The Associated Press reported that a spokesman for the Oregon Health and Science University’s Portland hospital announced that after being take off life support Bell died on February 3, 2013.[2] Bell’s death was largely reported in the media, starting discussions about bullying, the effect it has on youth, and gay bullying. The Huffington Post,[3] Salon,[4] Oregon Public Broadcasting,[5] Raw Story,[6] GLAAD,[7] PQ Monthly,[8] Pink News[9] and many other media outlets reported on Bell’s death. The media reported his suicide stemmed from being bullied for being gay, which Bell’s father fully believed, stating “He was hurting so bad. Just the bullying at school. Yeah there were other issues, but ultimately it was all due to the bullying, for not being accepted for being gay.”[10]

            Jamey Rodemeyer (1997–2011), age 14, was a gay[45][46] teenager, known for his activism against homophobia and his videos on YouTube to help victims of homophobic bullying. He committed suicide, allegedly as a result of constant bullying.[47]

            Kenneth Weishuhn (1997–2012), age 14, was a teen who is known for his suicide which raised the national profile on gay bullying and LGBT youth suicides. Weishuhn, then 14 years old, was allegedly bullied in person, death threats were sent to his mobile phone, and he was the subject of a Facebook hate group. He was targeted for being gay, having come out one month before his suicide. Weishuhn told his mother Jeannie Chambers “Mom, you don’t know how it feels to be hated.” The bullying was characterized as “aggressive”,[56] “merciless”[57] and “overwhelming”.[58] In response to the bullying, Weishuhn took his own life in April 2012.[1] He hanged himself in the family’s garage.[59][60]

          • Hind Abyad

            But i know that, don’t speak to me as if i was against homosexuality, i stated, i repeat ..against the adoption of children.

          • man-o-war

            “A same-sex couple has, by definition, two persons at high risk for psychological disorders.” , you wrote this and quoted this, “Archives of General Psychiatry found that persons self-identified as homosexual in comparison to the general public had almost double the rate of suicidal ideation or attempts, substance abuse problems and psychological disorders. “, I was just trying to show that they kill themselves not because they are homosexuals, but rather due to the abuse they suffer from a bigoted community.

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s absolutely true, it’s painful, there are many heterosexual teenagers who commit suicide because they were bullied by their peers for being fat or for their race.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Stop being soft, sitting on the fence gets you no where and no respect. People who kill themselves obviously had a problem.

          • man-o-war

            Yeah, she should harden up and be a true Christian bigoted asshole like yourself. Go neck yourself and rid the earth of your filth.

          • O

            “People who kill themselves obviously had a problem.”

            I bet one of those problems was YOU!!
            How does it feel knowing that attitudes like yours cause people to take their own lives?
            And what would you do if your kid was gay or lesbian?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I don’t give a rat’s, about people knocking themselves because they don’t feel accepted, 99% of you guys here don’t accept me. So no skin off my rod, I don’t wish harm on no one but I have the right to an opinion if you don’t like it don’t read it.

          • man-o-war

            “99% of you guys here don’t accept me”, really? Quit fucking lying you POS.

            What reason would people have for not accepting you?

            “I don’t give a rat’s, about people knocking themselves because they don’t feel accepted”, you’re a douchebag. They aren’t “knocking themselves” because they don’t feel accepted, but because douchebag assholes like you and I’m pretty sure your children (you raised them after all) harass and bully them to that point. You don’t have to accept them, but you also don’t have to harass and bully them. Live and let live you stupid fuck.

          • O

            “You don’t have to accept them, but you also don’t have to harass and bully them. Live and let live….”

            I agree exactly except it needs capitlizaing!
            “YOU DON’T HAVE TO ACCEPT, BUT YOU ALSO DON’T HAVE TO HARASS AND BULLY THEM. LIVE AND LET LIVE”

          • MekensehParty

            better homosexual parents than a mom like you

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes Meekhh.. Usa Usa Usa..we are number one..

          • O

            “Especially horrible, they can marry and adopt innocent children”

            Why is it “especially horrible” that gay PEOPLE are given the same rights as PEOPLE??
            When is this discrimination of the “other” (insert one’s hate choice here) going to stop?
            EVERYONE, unless a criminal, should be treated EQUALLY!!!

          • MekensehParty

            in your lifetime, in your neighborhood, at your work, in your kids school and guess what among your kids and grandkids too!!!
            And what exactly are you going to do about it? Just empty farts

          • O

            “Just empty farts”

            He appears extremely petrified of anything anal, so he will do the farting orally.

          • man-o-war

            Hope he refuses prostate exams at the doctors office and his prostate cancer goes undetected until its too late. Too mean? I tend to overdo it sometimes, but he’s being a real fucking prick.

          • O

            Yeh no need to wish cancer on him. Just for a view.

      • MekensehParty

        Fuck you and your church
        You’re the abomination bunch of retards
        run to your cave or even better go back to your tree

      • O

        As long as what anyone does sexually, is behind closed doors and with only consenting adult humans, then it’s none of your business!!
        Your God doesn’t approve of it then let your God “punish” anyone for their “sin”!
        And just like anyone with morals keeps things behind closed doors, so should you keep it behind doors regarding your opinion of homosexuals.

        It’s wrong on so many levels.

      • O

        “and it needs to be kicked in the butt”

        Talking about butt?
        Are you sure you are not a closet case?

    • 5thDrawer

      The BIGGEST ‘Fault’ of it – in the Religious Minds – is that these ‘matings’ do not produce babies.
      They all want more babies. They Do Not even supply free condoms for a ‘choice’, by what we see as ‘normal’ male/female relationships, and thus also ‘Create’ many unwanted babies.
      AND YET, The ‘Roman’ church does not want marriage for it’s Religious Tops – to maintain that ‘purity of thought’ for Godly Piousness – and ‘theologically/theoretically’ the natural desires of humans can be repressed by simply running ‘boys schools’, – and girls school separate with nunneries. It’s a problem they can’t deny. But also seemingly can’t allow to change.
      The HUGE question for that Radical Muslim bunch of gang-bangers is, IF you’ve got 4 wives and several concubines, WHY WORRY about ‘same-sex’ relationships of a relatively few folks who won’t harm you at all? Do you really need to throw them off rooves?? OR, is the practice even more general and pervasive in your own ‘secret sects’, and you don’t want to admit it even possible?? As the ‘church’ has finally done. ‘Normal Society’ can keep it’s opinions to itself … no-one is pushing to ‘join’ in any of it.

      • O

        Btw, do you own shares in condom companies?

        • 5thDrawer

          I WISH … BUTT Really … :-))))

  • 5thDrawer

    I am certain that the best route to ‘Celibacy’ is to have gotten married, had a bunch of kids, and raised them through Teenage Years. After THAT, become a Priest. :-)))

  • tribulation

    Widespread, Legalization, Propagation, Justification, Propagandization, Acceptance, Tolerance, Promotion, Indulgence, Prevalence, Sympathizing, Making it look normal & cool, Healthy, Hygienic, Not a Perversion, Not a Mental Disorder, …. is one of the EOT Signs!!

  • nagy_michael2

    Butt bumpers are not allowed to be priest let alone pretends to be Christians..

    • man-o-war

      What is a butt bumper?

      • O

        Yeh this is the guy that once said to Muslims (I paraphrase) “if you don’t like American values, don’t come to America”!

  • cook2half

    Gay rights = human rights.

    Take the Pope to the ICC.

    • Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Gay rights = end of the world
      Take that to the icc

      • cook2half

        NO.

        • O

          Prehistoric mentality like his needs to be left with its apeman ancestors.

  • Zweifelnde

    Now let see;

    Steven Greenberg is an American rabbi, he is described as the first openly gay Orthodox Jewish rabbi,

    Imam blesses Gay Couples in the Pride of the Pride festival wedding chapel in Stockholm for those who wish to have their relationship blessed.
    Imam at Halmstads mosque claiming that homosexuality is a virus.

    Daayiee Abdullah -‘HOLY and HOMO’: America’s first gay ‘imam’

    WOW….

    • 5thDrawer

      Simply EVERYONE is ‘Cumming Out’ … It’s So wonderful, and empowering, isn’t it? ;-))

      • Dubium sapientiae initium

        Indeed.

        • O

          Are you out?

          • 5thDrawer

            Only at night … ;-))

      • Hind Abyad

        “Simply Everyone is “Cumming Out”…

        “Zweifelnde • 18 hours ago ago

        Now let see;

        Steven Greenberg is an American rabbi, he is described as the first openly gay
        Orthodox Jewish rabbi, Imam blesses Gay Couples in the Pride of the Pride festival

        wedding chapel in Stockholm for those who wish to have their relationship blessed.
        Imam at Halmstads mosque claiming that homosexuality is a virus.

        Daayiee Abdullah -‘HOLY and HOMO’: America’s first gay ‘imam’

        WOW….
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        Avatar was something resembling this – Lucifer The Morning Star- 18 hours ago..

        • Dubium sapientiae initium

          Show more respect for Gustave Doré Art of the Fallen Angel.

          The Fallen Angel – in Latin Lucifer meant “light-bringing” and was applied to the moon.

          In Latin, the word is applied to John the Baptist and is used as a title of Jesus himself in several early Christian hymns.

          In the morning hymn the line: “Tu verus mundi lucifer” (you are the true light bringer of the world), that would be to much for some.

          Since this Avatar (of the Fallen Angel by Doré) would only crate doubt (Zweifelnde) among many. – so he was short lived.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b7260c758440e0817594f3330a0e668cf0988840cc664a6d575c76a194b6fc32.jpg

          • Hind Abyad

            I know all about the Morning Star, the Fallen Angel in Dante.!

            “Show more respect for Gustave Doré Art of the Fallen Angel”…
            Why it would have created doubts? Steve Zweifelnde gave a like to johngilbert then retrieved it.

            “Since this Avatar (of the Fallen Angel by Doré) would only crate doubt (Zweifelnde) among many. – so he was short lived.”
            You mean he could also be Jesus..or the anti-Christ?

            ..they are hundreds of pictures representing the Morning Star..here’s one

          • 5thDrawer

            I liked THIS version ….
            https://youtu.be/ledtDi7xHTo

          • Hind Abyad

            “The earliest Jewish usage of the symbol was inherited from medieval Arabic literature by Kabbalists for use inTalismanic protective amulets (segulot) where it was known as a Seal of Solomon.”….became the Israeli flag.
            Dubium sapientiae initium
            Doubt is the origin of wisdom

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            Judging your experts data on the subject, makes me wonder if you are actually practicing Jewish creed – or Messianic Judaism.

          • Hind Abyad

            No… change your name again, you don’t like curiosity.

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            I changed my motto from “Zweifelnde”, since this crate thousands opinions on this subject, and I’m not interested in contributing more.

            I already had my experience with my earlier Avatar “Untouchables” – unfortunately this motto showed that everyone concentrated on the term “Untouchables”, not what the Charlie Hebdo cartoons had for a messages.

            It is satisfying that this time my motto is accepted in the right meaning. I guess the motto is telling the message – Doubt is the origin of wisdom.

            Oh yea, I do like curiosity.

          • O

            “Oh yea, I do like curiosity.”

            Don’t you have to be curious to have doubt?

          • O

            Or does doubt create curiosity?

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            I must admit that you have a deeper knowledge (than I) on the subject Zionism and the Jews, not really surprising because you live in the same area (do you?) and directly affected.

          • Adonis

            Duh, haven’t figured it out yet!? Hind, 5th & co. part of liban crew who snoops and pry information. They sold their souls to Devil. Messianic puppets of Devil
            Btw, lies it’s a joke…kidding not?

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            You said it yourself.
            There are thousands opinions on this subject, and I’m not interested in contributing more.

            Have my experience with my earlier Avatar “Untouchables” – everyone concentrated on the term Untouchables, not what the Charlie Hebdo cartoons hade for a messages.

          • Hind Abyad

            I asked you once; Why Zionists adopted the star flag..the Star of David never existed.. is it the Morning Star?

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            I hope that this information will help you, “Herzl’s proposed flag, as sketched in his diaries. Although he drew a Star of David, he did not describe it as such”

            Source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s what i thougth, thank you ..i didn’t know

          • Dubium sapientiae initium

            When I do not have information about any topic (like the adopted flag) so I search in encyclopedias or Google.
            Since I didn’t have a clue regarding this flag, I could not answer your question without Googling on this topic.

            In asked you once;

            Why can’t YOU google and tell me about their flag?
            It is obvious that you are rude lazy.

            Remarkably, you had no trouble deciphering the Latin saying…

          • Hind Abyad

            I didn’t know Herzl made the flag, why i should google him? I asked you as a literate person. ..so sorry.

          • O

            Oh so you are really crazy.

      • Hind Abyad

        Why did this disappear?

        johngilbert • 19 hours ago

        Also add that Iran is paying Russia for its involvement in Syria with upcoming money that will be released to Iran from the nuclear deal. Russia isn’t doing this all for free since Iran will be paying for it.
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        Hind Abyad johngilbert • 18 hours ago

        Hi Malmequer aka johngilbert.
        ..just as your Aipac; “Ayotte, Rubio and de Blasio are bought and paid for by the ‘magnificent’ Israel lobbyUS Politics”
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/

        “Zweifelnde • 18 hours ago”

        Now let see;

  • tribulation

    One of the Signs before the End Of Times.

    Widespread, Legalization, Propagation, Justification, Propagandization, Acceptance, Supporting, Siding, Defending, Tolerance, Promotion, Indulgence, Prevalence, Sympathizing, Making it look normal & cool, Healthy, Hygienic, Not a Perversion, Not a Mental Disorder, …. is one of the EOT Signs!!

    The audacity of today’s homosexuals makes one think of the end of the people of the Prophet Lot (as) who were noted for their homosexuality. As it is stated in the Qur’an, when they flamboyantly rejected the Prophet Lot’s (as) invitation to the right path, Allah destroyed the city and its people by a great disaster. As a reminder, the remains of this perverse society still lie beneath the water of the Dead Sea.

    The growing prevalence of homosexuality over the past few years is a frightening development. This phenomenon was mentioned in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) fourteen centuries ago.

    It is clear that the hadiths describing the End Times and its moral degeneration are coming true today.

    Men will imitate women; and Women will imitate men. (Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, Durre-Mansoor)

    People will indulge in homosexuality and lesbianism. (Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)

    People will indulge in homosexuality. (Narrated by Adbullah ibn Masud)

    The hadiths show that tolerating homosexuality as a normal way of life is an important sign of the period before the Last Day.

    The Homosexual Lobby has become a powerful force in Western World. However, ultimately, this power is not theirs, for , the people with the real power in the world, the Power Elite, have allowed the homosexual activists to garner for themselves what power they have vicariously. If the evil men who control society, the Power Elite, the Global Elite, did not want homosexuals to have this political power they would not have it. Therefore, there is a reason for the sudden rise in the power and expectations of the sodomite.

    The New Age One World Conspirators seek the destruction of what they call the “Old World Order,” which is Natural Moral Order on Earth set in place by the supreme Will of God.

    A major target of Organised Evil is Natural Moral Order. It has to destroy this before they can claim victory on Earth over God.

    Homosexuality is one of many weapons in the armoury of Evil in its assault on Ordered Creation on Earth. Moreover, it is also fundamental to the wicked and evil strategy of the Confederacy of Evil to collapse Western Civilisation. Hence, their lackeys and Useful Idiots posing as Humanists and Professional Liberals use it to attack Natural Moral Order on Earth. The Humanist and the Professional Liberal in the guise of “social libertarians” have sought to move the argument over the morality of Sodomy out of the philosophical and religious arenas and into the political arena.

    Today we live in a degraded civilisation. A once great civilisation has been brought to its knees. Vibrant nations and cultures have been debauched and debased and their peoples have been made objects of a carefully orchestrated Agenda of Evil whose aim is to universally corrupt and demoralise them.

    The reason why the Homosexual Lobby has been gifted such power is this. The Global Elite that control much of the temporal affairs of the world and especially the political process, media and academia of the Corrupt Liberal Democracies that now make up Western Civilisation are the front group for a much darker, concentrated power. Behind this coterie of wealthy and powerful people –the likes of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds- are a few men who truly control much of the temporal affairs of this world. These very few men are the true Lords of Power on Earth.. Gentle reader, the true temporal power on Earth is not found and exercised in parliaments, senates, and congresses, but in the Dark Empire of the Secret Societies. Moreover, true world power is held by very few men; by a Secret Cabal of Power.

    These powerful men, the true source of power behind the Corrupt Liberal Establishment, know exactly what they are doing because they have planned these events. In fact, these events have been planned for centuries. They are part of the Ancient Plan to Transform Society: the Evil Agenda for the establishment of World Government whose aim is to eradicate all human liberty and freedom from the face of the Earth.

    The Homosexual Agenda and its supporters use “Gay rights” not to lift oppression from the persecuted few, but to gain power over the many. It is all about gaining power over the majority and nothing whatsoever about “social justice” for a persecuted minority.

    The homosexual activists and their proselytisers understand that to achieve this requires guile and terror in equal measure. That is why the control of public discourse is the crucial battleground whereby, using the cynical tools of marketing and persuasion, not only what society thinks about is moulded but also how they think about it.
    Buy such cunning, the homosexual activists envision a great victory over society. They think that their corruption of the public debate and control of the public perception on the debate has become so complete that victory is close. Moreover, they have believe they have succeeded in a great sleight of hand: that any decision society makes, it will do so under the misapprehension that it is its own decision. Not realising that they, the Professional Liberals and Humanists, the clever liberals and cunning activists, have purposely conditioned society to do exactly that.

    This is the goal of the Homosexual Lobby: to silence the real opponents of its immorality, the moral people who worship God. By getting legislation enacted that would place their opponents in prison for expressing their religious convictions. This is an ancient Evil in a modern legalistic framework. Tyrants and despots throughout the ages have frequently destroyed the bodies of those unwilling to bow to them but only to God.

    The bedrock of the Hate Crime legislation is the Homosexual Agenda, the Multiculturalists Agenda and the Dajjalites Agenda, all of which are energised by Evil. The reason d’être of Hate Crime Laws is not to preserve, encourage and extend “social justice” and “freedom”, such notions are for the consumption of fools, but to silence opposition or criticism of the unfolding Agenda of Evil.

    The Homosexual Lobby and its proselytisers have used the subtle arts of manipulation with great skill. They have dominated the debate and therefore set their own agenda above that of its moral opponents. The mass media has actively helped this immoral agenda by creating illusions and distorting reality to suit this end of normalising sodomy and sodomites.

    However, the Dark Agenda they serve has not been prepared by fools, far from it, but by very clever yet evil people who know exactly what they are doing. They are the Useful Idiots in the universities, colleges and media are culpable in their crimes against humanity and God, for, they actively seek to facilitate the Humanist and Liberal Agendas that was created by Organised Evil to help destroy Natural Moral Order on Earth.

    The belief of modern man, who thinks he has by way of his supposed superior intelligence the key to the door of understanding, is the consequence of the Arrogance of Intellect.

    This twofold attack by the manipulators of perception, the Masters of Deception, has a dual purpose. One: to promote an innocuous A-list wealthy, gay stereotype (an image by which even homosexual people increasingly measure themselves) that is meant to be admired, even emulated but not condemned. Second: to heap shame and guilt on the majority for their innate abhorrence of sodomy and sodomites.

    The Homosexual Lobby has increasing power yet this power is not their own. The rulers of this world, the Confederacy of Evil, who serve the Dark Gods of Evil, give it to them. That is why the leaders of the Homosexual Lobby have access to the leadership in media, government, education, business and any other centres of influence as well as access to whatever capital that they require. By this very fact the claim that the homosexuals are an oppressed minority is wrong. However, to be portrayed as such was a fundamental plank of the homosexual myth-making exercise. The mass media, Hollywood and academia have successfully fabricated a “gay culture” with all its attendant illusions by bombarding the moral senses of the majority with a steady stream of filth, deceits and lies.

    The selling of Homosexuality by the mass media, by Hollywood and other powerful social forces, has been both subtle and relentless. Civic and government authorities that should in a moral society resist this corrosion of Natural Moral Order do nothing.

    Thus we see paraded before our eyes, by the media ringmasters, a procession of male and female homosexuals that are described in gushing terms as not only an everyman/woman or everywoman/man, but also as superior pillars of society. They are introduced as victims of oppression and hate and their journey through immorality as a “triumph” of “courage” and “honesty.” Invariably a ludicrous slushy soap opera scenario is related whereby their slide into iniquity is described as “a story about shattered friendships and changed lives, of betrayals and imprecations, all because of one man’s courageous decision to tell the truth.” Hagiographic profiles abound in the media portrayal of these activists that are repeated everywhere in ad nauseam. Not in any sense because they are true, that is not the point, only because they are meant to be perceived by the gullible public as true. The hagiographies of certain activists have at times slipped easily into parody. Media co-conspirators present men who less than fifty years ago would have been deemed evil as living in a “State of Grace.” This is of course blasphemous and gives some indication of the Dark Nature of the forces behind the Homosexual Lobby.

    The tactic of the Homosexual Lobby is to present the controversy surrounding homosexuality as a civil rights issue. While simultaneously taking the debate away from questions of morality concerning the dangerous and unnatural homosexual behaviours. Moreover, this cynical marketing campaign portrays homosexuals as victims of an intolerant society who are in desperate need of special legal protections. The Liberal Media has been a willing accomplice in this cynical ploy.

    The Dark Conspirators behind the Humanist and Liberal Agendas use the mass media as a potent weapon in their War on Morality. Hence, the controlled mass media is a major weapon used to vilify and ridicule people that adhere to the ancient morality bequeathed to humanity by God, that is, the religious, the traditionalists and the moral conservatives.

    The mass media is a willing accomplice to Homosexual Lobby and its supporters in their assault on moral society. This is due to various reasons. One is the propensity of media-types to be immersed thoroughly in the Humanist ethos and emote and espouse liberalism at the drop of a hat. Another is the propensity of homosexuals to seek employment in the media and “arts.” Another, and more pertinent one, is that the Cabal of Evil that controls most other important agencies of the modern world also controls the mass media.

    The sinister tactics used in this assault on morality are the same as those used by tyrants through the ages to terrorise and subdue their subjects. Because the dark spiritual forces that energise tyranny are also those that energise the Homosexual Movement.

    • 5thDrawer

      All Comment Found above and below are the opinions of their Authors, and YaLibnan neither agrees nor disagrees with ANY Variation of Opinions, Or Options – preferring the Freedom of Speech with the ‘hands off’ Approach, and thus cannot be sued … And at the same time Recommends ‘Safe Boating’ practices.

      • Hind Abyad

        tribulation ‘Guest’ changes names non stop. Here, he want’s to write YaLibnan articles.

        • 5thDrawer

          I thought it was Zabada in disguise … :-)))) Was waiting for ‘trials’ to respond. 😉

          • Hind Abyad

            zabada is no scholar.. this place is..

          • trials

            I’m here

          • 5thDrawer

            :-))) I agree with Hind, below … Bunch of damned smart-asses in this place. :-))))

          • O

            But are they gay?

          • O

            And trials was me :p

    • O

      “As it is stated in the Qur’an, when they flamboyantly rejected the Prophet Lot’s (as) invitation to the right path, Allah destroyed the city and its people by a great disaster.”

      Notice that your prophet only “INVITED” them and didn’t kill them?
      Let your Allah destroy them. Nowhere there does it suggests you should hate or kill them!

    • O

      And what does “flamboyantly rejected” exactly mean?
      Does it also mean that if they rejected non flamboyantly they would not have been destroyed?