Saudi Arabia blames pilgrims for hajj stampede , but Iran blames Saudis

Share:
Iranian protesters shout slogans and hold anti-US signs during a demonstration against Saudi Arabia after 131 Iranians pilgrims were killed in a stampede at the annual hajj, on September 25, 2015 at Enghelab square in Tehran. PHOTO: AFP
Iranian protesters shout slogans and hold anti-US signs during a demonstration against Saudi Arabia after 131 Iranians pilgrims were killed in a stampede at the annual hajj, on September 25, 2015 at Enghelab square in Tehran. PHOTO: AFP

Saudi Arabia on Friday suggested pilgrims ignoring crowd control rules bore some blame for a crush that killed over 700 people at the haj pilgrimage in the annual event’s worst disaster for 25 years.

The kingdom’s regional rival Iran expressed outrage at the deaths of 131 of its nationals at the world’s largest annual gathering of people, and politicians in Tehran suggested Riyadh was incapable of managing the event.

Hundreds of demonstrators protested in the Iranian capital, chanting “Death to the Saudi dynasty”.

With pilgrims frantically searching for missing compatriots and photographs of piles of the dead circulating on social media, the tragedy haunted many on the haj a day on.

“There were layers of bodies, maybe three layers,” said one witness who asked not to be named. “Some people were alive under the pile of bodies and were trying to climb up but in vain, because their strength failed and they dropped dead.

“I felt helpless not to be able to save people. I saw them dying in front of my eyes,” he told Reuters.

An Algerian pilgrim told Algeria’s al-Shurouk television: “We saw death: People were stepping over the mutilated bodies in front of you, four or five on top of each other.”

Saudi King Salman ordered a review of haj plans, and Health Minister Khalid al-Falih said an investigation would be conducted rapidly and a final toll of dead and wounded calculated.

At least 863 pilgrims were injured in the disaster, in which two big groups of pilgrims collided at a crossroads in Mina, a few km (miles) east of Mecca, on their way to performing the “Stoning of the Devil” ritual at Jamarat.

The stampede “was perhaps because some pilgrims moved without following instructions by the relevant authorities,” the minister said in a statement.

The kingdom’s critics were likely to see the statement as an attempt to deflect responsibility. Safety during the haj is highly sensitive for the ruling Al Saud dynasty, which presents itself internationally as the guardian of orthodox Islam and custodian of its holiest places in Mecca and Medina.

The effort to uncover the facts and assign blame was likely to grow more acute and possibly more political.

“CATASTROPHE”

A Muslim man weeps after getting the news of his family members, who died in Thursday's stampede in Mina, at their residence in Ahmedabad, India, September 25, 2015. REUTERS/Amit Dave
A Muslim man weeps after getting the news of his family members, who died in Thursday’s stampede in Mina, at their residence in Ahmedabad, India, September 25, 2015. REUTERS/Amit Dave

A pilgrim who gave his name as Abu Abdallah said security forces appeared on high alert after the deaths. “What happened is a tragedy and many people … are terrified, but in the end we can only pursue our haj duties,” he said.

Hakim, from Morocco, said: “It is simply scary to hear how people crushed one another. More frightening is that we do not know how it happened.”

The Saudi civil defense service reported on Twitter that a fire had occurred in three storage facilities in Mecca’s al-Maaseem neighborhood, and 10 fire and rescue units were in attendance. No further details were immediately available.

Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani, in New York to attend the U.N. General Assembly, echoed Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in blaming Saudi Arabia for the incident.

“I ask the Saudi Arabian government to take responsibility for this catastrophe and fulfill its legal and Islamic duties in this regard,” Rouhani said in a statement.

Iranian state television said the demonstrators in Tehran were showing their anger at “Saudi incapability and incompetence to run the haj”.

“The world will not accept excuses like the weather was hot or the pilgrims were disorganized,” Tehran Friday prayer leader Mohammed Emami-Kashani was quoted as saying by Fars news agency.

Iran’s deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian also called “Riyadh’s negligence inexcusable” and announced a committee has been established to look into the incident.

Iranian pilgrims who survived described Saudi’s response “too little, too late,” according to Iran’s state run Press TV. They said rescuers arrived two hours after the incident and started collecting dead bodies first instead of helping the injured.

Saudi Arabia’s Interior Ministry spokesman Major General Mansour Turki was quoted in Saudi media on Friday as saying the security forces had immediately responded and begun to rescue those who fell in the crush.

“This year’s haj ceremony was disorganized as the Saudi government had hired young and inexperienced people,” Saeed Ohadi, Head of Iran’s haj and pilgrimage organization told Iran’s state broadcaster in a live interview from Mecca.

Speaking in New York, Pope Francis expressed “my sentiments of closeness” with Muslims after the tragedy. U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the United States offered condolences.

Former Iraqi Prime minister Nuri al-Maliki, an ally of Iran and foe of Riyadh, said the incident was “proof of the incompetence of the organizers”. He said the haj should be placed under the authority of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the world’s largest Muslim organization.

REUTERS

Share:

Comments

85 responses to “Saudi Arabia blames pilgrims for hajj stampede , but Iran blames Saudis”

    1. Thanks for posting your family vids.
      Looks like you keep “it” in the family

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        I like to keep “it” in your family. Dumb slag

        1. cook2half Avatar

          Stupid bitch.

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            Haha, did your balls finally drop? Have you and barbie bought your tickets yet?
            Dumb kunt

          2. cook2half Avatar

            There it goes again talking about cocks and balls ha

          3. man-o-war Avatar

            Stupid zionist troll, get back in your cave.

          4. cook2half Avatar

            Just admit ur gay already :))

          5. man-o-war Avatar

            If fucking your mum and sister makes me gay then I guess I’m gay.

          6. cook2half Avatar

            There it is everyone. And by the way your avatar is so pathetic, real straight people don’t need to prove theyre straight.

          7. man-o-war Avatar

            Only douche nozzles think my avatar is pathetic. So, fucking your mum and sister makes me gay? Haha, bloody cum bubble bahai zionist POS asshat.

          8. cook2half Avatar

            Up yours sunshine (read that with a British accent)

          9. cook2half Avatar

            Oh and by the way you just proved you’re a religious bigot haha lol

          10. He/it proved it was a shite religious bigot a long time ago

          11. man-o-war Avatar

            You proved you’re a lying religious bigot who screams rape to get attention. Dirty whore!

          12. Lol
            Don’t burst a blood vessel.
            On second thought, be my guest.

          13. man-o-war Avatar

            Prove it! Lol, douche nozzle bahai zionist asshat.

          14. cook2half Avatar

            Shite shite shite and shite.

          15. man-o-war Avatar

            Haha, ok cum guzzling bahia zionist douche nozzle.

          16. cook2half Avatar

            man of warts lmao

          17. “Only douche nozzles think my avatar is pathetic”

            Only?
            How do you know it was “ONLY douche nozzles” that think it is pathetic?
            Did you survey everyone in the world that has seen that picture? And ask him what they thought of the pic and if they are “douche nozzles”?
            If not, then I can’t see any other reason except taqqiya. You obviously lie so much that you don’t even know you are doing it. It just comes natural to a taqqiya raised shite

          18. man-o-war Avatar

            Yeah, I sure did survey everyone. You’re a such a fucking moron. Don’t you have some Christians and Shi’ite to attack? Get back to your jihadi duties you dirty whore.

          19. I am performing my (jihadi) duties.
            Exposing your lies is my duty.

          20. man-o-war Avatar

            The only cocks and balls I brought up was you and barbie. Get it right Richard Cabeza.

          21. cook2half Avatar

            I’m watching porn now. Does that turn you on? lol!

          22. Did you become cock2long?
            Man o warts just got “exited” and grew another wart

          23. cook2half Avatar

            “and grew another wart”

            LOOL

          24. Usually guys who always talk about male genitals are either gay or less endowed than most.
            He probs drives a huge pick up to compensate.

          25. cook2half Avatar

            He’s certainly “curious”.

          26. Lol
            He must misread The first part of your name and get all “exited”

          27. Tickets to your funeral?
            No thanks, knowing you it will be shite.

          28. cook2half Avatar

            Why tickets? its family doesnt want to pay for its funeral?

          29. LOLLLLL
            Hezbo and their lovers don’t like to pay for anything. apparently not even their own funerals.

            On another subject. What if you and mal are the same person.

          30. cook2half Avatar

            Hind legs posted a link to Mal’s twitter account, he’s a CEO and lives in the U.S. Does that sound like me? lol

          31. I’m not convinced
            😉

          32. cook2half Avatar

            lol we sound nothing alike, I don’t know why you’d think that.

          33. man-o-war Avatar

            I gave you an address and now you just go back to deflecting and acting like the bitch you are.

            “Tickets to your funeral?” Are you threatening me you dumb kunt? I’m reporting you, lol.

          34. Lol a mall is technically an address but not your address. Retard.

          35. man-o-war Avatar

            Dirty whore

          36. Grow up old man

          37. cook2half Avatar

            3anjad ye3ne mesh fahem lesh rajol 40 sene 3endo hay el sora lol walad z2’er bayekh

          38. But-Kalam arabee?

          39. cook2half Avatar

            Yes of course, I thought you knew that?

          40. No. Why should I know that?

          41. cook2half Avatar

            Remember when I supported hind legs and I used swear words in Arabic? but yeah maybe you thought I Googled those.

          42. You’re right, I did think you googled them

          43. cook2half Avatar

            Nope I’m fluent, better than Farsi even.

          44. Who is better than your horse?
            😛

          45. cook2half Avatar

            What? lol

          46. Farasi in Arabic
            On a more serious level.
            How can you hate a people whose lives are already the most miserable? I’m talking about your hatred for the Palestinians.

          47. cook2half Avatar

            I don’t hate them in real life, at all. But on yalibnan and also in real life I hate their supporters who more than often A) simply hate Jews, and B) base everything on emotions rather than historical facts.

            I actually despise Israeli culture, I think theyre racists and have nothing to do with western values despite pretending to be western.

          48. Admittedly I know a lot but not everything. “Only” some think they know everything. Not mentioning names ah-manowarts-em.

          49. Yes his balls dropped on your face!

          50. man-o-war Avatar

            I’m not surprised that you know his ball status, but I am surprised you let them out of your mouth long enough to drop on anything.

          51. I’m not greedy and you were begging for it.

          52. Btw your “no, you” retorts are getting boring.

          53. Patience2 Avatar

            By the way, spelled with a ‘c’, from Latin Cunnus.

          54. man-o-war Avatar

            Yeah, I know. For some reason the ‘c’ word sometimes gets flagged by the moderator.

        2. No in your family!
          Grow up and reply with something other than the “no, you” retort you retard

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            You’re a moron and a dirty whore.

          2. Wow! THATS all you could come up with!!!!
            Retard

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Looks like a ‘Group Grope’ … squeeze enough and everyone suffocates.
      Everyone blames everyone else .. ‘Brotherhood’.

  1. Seems Iran is more interested in accusations than in helping!
    And how in Qom could the Iranians already know who’s to blame? Unless they set it up, and their response was Also pre prepared.

    1. cook2half Avatar

      I also thought the same thing.

  2. “according to Iran’s state run Press TV. They said rescuers arrived two hours after the incident and started collecting dead bodies first instead of helping the injured”

    Oh please stop the bullshit!
    TWO hours???
    And took the dead first??
    And this is supposedly coming from Iranian hajjis.
    We know taqqiya and Iranians are good friends.

    1. Intouchable Avatar
      Intouchable

      The game just started….

        1. Hahahahahaha. You call him a bigot but you racially abuse everything under the sun??? Honestly your I don’t know whether to laugh at you or pity ur ignorance.

          1. Show me one racist comment I made, you imbecile.

          2. Is this a rhetorical question?

          3. No!
            Go google the word racist and then come back and apologize

          4. And hilarious you calling anyone racist or bigot or ignorant. Coz they are words I’ve used to describe already. Xoxo

          5. “Everything”?

            Since when did humans become things?
            Ahh, you are including shites like you which aren’t human. Ok carry on

            Btw, “everything” is as extreme as “only”. How are your warts?

  3. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    I hope they all R.I.P no matter what this is what the faithful want to redeem themselves and I know Iran likes to instigate instead of help. But also it seems the Saudis have not learned from this over the course of years because they seem to have accidents even single time. so you can blame the world if you like but in the end you have to take responsibilities for not controlling and limiting the crowds to a certain extents. the people are glued to each other because of so many of them. keep the crowds at a control level and explain to them how to safeguard themselves in case of this happens. this is totally absurd that it keeps happening.

  4. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    No one in the Muslim world has the experience to conduct the Hajj (at its scale) except the Saudi bureaucrats involved and perhaps the Bangladeshi government in organising the Tongi Ijtema (which has no deaths).

    It’s very easy to think out loud how it ought to be better, but practise always needs the experienced. Any other host will no doubt have to rehire the same bureaucrats and experienced hands.

    Iran does not talk of anything relevant like labour organisation, finances, modes of production, use of technology or even a clue of planning such ambitious schemes. They only like to exploit the suffering and play the game off chess which they have characterised in their own heads

    1. What’s the point of having crowd control if you can’t control the crowds? Amazing how you always have an excuse? Now reverse it for a minute. If it was the other way round you would be yelling and screaming. This happened because thre was a Saudi royal prince that wanted to go through so they blocked off paths to give him a free uninterrupted run through. See how special they are. Unbelievable your way of thinking and you call yourself reasonable.

      1. Where’s your proof it was for that reason it was blocked?

        Nothing from bresstv or almanure thanks xoxo

      2. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Lets get over this myth of an ideal risk free perfect world.
        Besides me not giving away my position of who i support your politics of saudi vs iran has nothing to do with the logistical problem. Atleast respect the dead wait a month or two before spreading your propagander.

        Get real with your accusation..
        Lets see im going to counter your accusation by saying “the aliens brainwashed the iranian pilgrams to cause a stampede” and raise it by saying the freemasons worked with neo nazi persians to make it happen.
        HA!

        1. drue drue rezunbl bot kave boi knaot da ealins peeinvashd eeronien shite peeligrms nd da raist peekaim hiztree
          looakee doz soonee bilgrims breat blace hoo doznt vant do lib dheir saol dheir

        2. e'mad rafidi Avatar
          e’mad rafidi

          #‎BanIranianShiaPagansFromHajj‬

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP21u71UEAAMV_l.jpg

    2. Hajj stampede caused by Iranian shiite pilgrims not following instructions:

      A group of around 300 Iranian pilgrims did not wait for clearance to leave Jamarat

      http://english.aawsat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/1443202920291480900.jpg

      Mina, Asharq Al-Awsat—The Hajj tragedy that has left hundreds of people dead and injured was caused by a group of Iranian pilgrims who failed to follow instructions from Hajj authorities, an official from Iran’s Hajj mission has revealed.
      At least 717 pilgrims were killed and 863 injured on Thursday when two large groups of people collided at a crossroads in Mina, east of the Muslim holy city of Mecca, the Saudi interior ministry said.
      The official, who requested anonymity to discuss the issue, said the accident occurred after a group of around 300 Iranian pilgrims failed to follow orders requiring them to wait for clearance to leave Jamarat—the site where pilgrims perform the “stoning the devil” ritual.
      Instead, the group went back to their mission’s headquarters as other groups were on their way to the site as scheduled, according to the official.
      “The group stopped for a while, causing the coming pilgrims to take a route no more than 20 meters wide,” he said, adding that such behavior often leads to tragic consequences in crowded areas.
      The Iranian pilgrims were scheduled to leave Jamarat hours after the accident took place, the official said.
      Meanwhile, a Saudi security source said authorities may check security cameras installed in the tunnel leading to Jamarat to verify when the Iranian group left the site.
      Saudi Arabia’s King Salman Bin Abdulaziz on Thursday offered his condolences to the families of the victims and promised that “the improvement of the methods and mechanisms of the Hajj season will not stop.”
      The majority of eyewitnesses who spoke to Asharq Al-Awsat agreed that the crush occurred after pilgrims “failed to follow orders from security.”
      Yahia Hamida, a 26-year-old pilgrim from Jordan, told Asharq Al-Awsat that “an unusual mass of pilgrims congregated on Street 204 [that leads to Jamarat] after some entered the wrong lane.”
      “Movement on Street 204 was normal until a large number of pilgrims came in the opposite direction, which stopped movement for about an hour and a half before the elderly began to collapse,” another pilgrim said.

  5. Patience2 Avatar

    For Iran, it’s any excuse to make trouble.

  6. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    The stampede happened because of Ghadanfar Rokon Abadi being among the crowd, many of you know him already, he was the Iranian Governor of Lebanon for quite some time. The guy has disappeared and his body remains unfound since the incident. What’s enigmatic is that this “innocent and no doubt holy hajj” entered KSA with a fake passport instead of his diplomatic one which certainly means that he was there for the hajj and nothing else.
    Iran is furious for now more obvious reasons because Ghadanfar was whether killed during his “hajj” mission or is now in the hands of the Saudi intelligence

    1. Abadi?
      Was he abyad’s daddy?

Leave a Reply