U.S. Arab allies fear Obama’s Iran nuclear deal

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Secretary of State John Kerry shown  greeting  new Saudi King Salman in Riyadh last January
Secretary of State John Kerry shown greeting new Saudi King Salman in Riyadh last January
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry flies to Riyadh this week to try to reassure King Salman that any nuclear deal with Iran will be in Saudi interests, despite the kingdom’s fears that it may boost Tehran’s backing for Shi’ite Muslim groups in the region.

Convincing Saudi Arabia to accept any agreed nuclear deal is important to President Barack Obama because he needs Riyadh to work closely with Washington on a host of regional policies and to maintain its role as a moderating influence in oil markets.

While the main critics of the U.S. push for a nuclear deal with Iran are Israel and Congressional Republicans, Sunni Muslim powerhouse Saudi Arabia is also concerned that an accord would allow Iran to devote more cash and energy to Shi’ite proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen, escalating conflicts.

“The Saudis fear Obama will give the Iranians a deal whatever the cost because it is important for his legacy and that Iran will get a certain regional status in exchange for an agreement,” said one diplomat in the Gulf.

Kerry met Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in Montreux, Switzerland, on Monday and Tuesday and the two are expected to sit down again on Wednesday as they try to meet a late March deadline to achieve a framework nuclear agreement.

Kerry then flies to Saudi Arabia, where on Thursday he meets the new king, deputy crown prince Mohammed bin Nayef and foreign ministers of the six Gulf Cooperation Council nations: Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The main purpose is to brief them on the state of the Iran talks and to make the case that a diplomatic solution to the long-festering crisis over Iran’s atomic program will make them more secure rather than less.

Saudi Arabia’s anxiety about an agreement has fueled a flurry of diplomacy in recent days to bolster unity among Sunni states in the Middle East in the face of shared threats including Iran, analysts say.

Washington shares Arab concerns about Iran’s role, particularly in Syria and Yemen and through its ties to Lebanon’s Hezbollah militia, a senior U.S. official said, on condition of anonymity, but added that there was a “very substantial” U.S. military commitment to Gulf allies.

“What we need to do is have the appropriate strategies to counter any provocative and destabilizing behavior … It’s going to depend on what can we do effectively in places like Syria and Yemen,” he said.

A second senior U.S. official told reporters a nuclear deal would not necessarily lead to a closer U.S.-Iran relationship and less influence for Sunni Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, nor would it diminish U.S. efforts to counter Iranian influence.

“You can’t read into the nuclear negotiation any kind of determination of where the U.S. relationship with Iran may go in the future,” he said. “Regardless of what happens with the nuclear file, we will continue to confront aggressively Iranian expansion in the region, Iranian aggressiveness in the region.”

ANXIOUS

However, U.S. officials are unwilling to outline what strategies might curb Iran’s regional influence, and the U.S. record in Iraq, Syria and Yemen – where armed Iranian allies have since flourished – has caused Saudi Arabia great anxiety.

The country’s trust in Washington during the Iran talks is also still recovering from the sudden move in late 2013 toward a nuclear deal, when Saudi officials were blindsided by the revelation of months of secret talks between the U.S. and Iran.

“They are very, very nervous about the way we are moving forward,” said a Western diplomat who tracks the issue closely. The diplomat said Riyadh feared a “lose-lose situation” in which Iran either gained an atomic weapon or was freed from sanctions.

Riyadh has long been worried about Iran gaining nuclear weapons capability, something that once led the late King Abdullah to ask Washington to “cut off the head of the snake” by striking Iran, diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks showed.

But it now sees Iran’s involvement in Arab countries, particularly its backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, its support for Iraqi Shi’ite militias and its ties to the Houthi group that has seized control in northern Yemen, as a more urgent problem.

A senior State Department official told Reuters: “Secretary Kerry will make clear we understand the concerns they have about the region’s security, concerns that we also share.”

Meanwhile, King Salman is working to forge a united front among Sunni states against what Riyadh sees as the dual threat from Iran and Islamic State militants, analysts say.

Over the past week Salman has met the leaders of all Saudi Arabia’s Gulf Arab neighbors, the king of Jordan and the presidents of Egypt and Turkey, the two most populous and militarily powerful Sunni states in the region.

“The understanding is that we will face a more aggressive Iran if they sign an agreement. All the restrictions on it will be lifted and it will be much stronger. This is an issue that needs some sort of unity,” said Mustafa Alani, an Iraqi security analyst with ties to the Saudi Interior Ministry.

Reuters

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69 responses to “U.S. Arab allies fear Obama’s Iran nuclear deal”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Netanyahu got them worried too …

    1. on the contrary, they have the same enemy.

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Imagine all 3 were partners and america was the enemy.

        1. imagine there were no enemies 🙂

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            LoL you gone all modest on me.
            Inshaallah one day

          2. 🙂 Inshaallah , no one wants to grow children knowing they might need to die young in the army one day.
            we’re all tired of wars , it’s just that we’re moving constantly of the spectrum between no more wars to one final war that will ensure saftey. the more desterate we are , the more we’re inclined towards a final war ( we , meaning everybody:muslim, jews, christians, kurds, assyrians, yasids and all minorities i know nothing about).

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Extremely manipulative ..you can’t imagine.

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        IF you are always going to look at EVERYTHING as an ‘US-vs-THEM’ stupid contest, then idiot humanity will keep fighting over ‘lights-on/lights-off’ ALL the time; which anyone who has slept in a Boy-Scout bunk-house will tell you, only results in breaking the bulbs and permanent dark.
        And THEN, in the pillow-fights, it’s the idiots on the ‘top bunks’ who fall the hardest.

        1. I didnt make the rules 5th.. I just live by it.
          It is not a new notion ,looking for someone to help when facing an obsticle and right now the saudies are shopping for allies everywhere

      3. Hind Abyad Avatar
        Hind Abyad

        I see..WW3..

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Indeed Hind … it’s working up.
          No-one cares for much it seems, and not either (us) old, or the very young.
          The young produce nothing … And the old suck up the ‘pension funds’ which The Power Players want to get their hands on all the time – simply to get more Power.
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31759405
          Some are realists.
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31725191

          That won’t help them much anyway.

        2. Doron did ask you, may i say nicely, to stop interfering in his posts but like a true stalker, you can’t help yourself.
          How is that lying business of yours? lying all the way to qom?

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I asked you same thing, stop interfearind in ALL my posts.

    2. Reasonableman Avatar
      Reasonableman

      Saudi Arabia and South Korea signed five key accords on Tuesday in Riyadh including a plan to study the feasibility of building nuclear reactors worth SR7.5 billion across the country.

      http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/713471

      This new king is pretty switched on…. thoughts?

      1. my thoughs: Saudies fell betrayed by the US. they feel as if the US is sideing with Iran once they do not need gulf oil anymore.
        I think the Saudies are signaling US and Iran that they will not allow a Nuke Iran un contested in Arab world

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        So they are going to talk … a ‘Feasibility Study’ … Reasonable. EVERYONE Does Business.
        Don’t know why he looks like a ‘shrinking violet’ having to meet a female head of a country. ;-))
        Remember all the ‘yack’ about ‘wife of Obama’ ? :-))) Oh well …
        MY thoughts??
        If Germany can go Nuke-Power-Free using the sun, I don’t know why any of these countries can’t.
        But since it’s all the rage, at least assume there’s a spot to plant one in the shifting sands, which won’t move, fall over, and melt the sand into solar collectors…. 😉
        Making electricity … the need … maybe they can sell some MUCH cheaper to Lebanon than the home-generators cost – or the badly-fueled Turkish Power-ship. More people=More Need.

        My guess? ‘CANDU’ reactors were ‘too pricey’ for them. Or Seoul HAS the Soul, Man. :-)))
        (Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, Kings and a South Korean President)

        I ALSO ASSUME they will WANT to have the inspectors of ‘Nuclear Facilities’ verify that ‘all is well’.
        No-one can say that any country can’t have it. IF it’s ‘viable’.
        It’s what they do with it that can be disturbing. Including what it’s installed on, or in.
        And again, MY thoughts are the same. WHY??
        And I’ve been around since we thought it was a great idea … now I see better options.

        Frankly, if it came to a vote … I’d elect Angela Merkel As President of the World.

  2. zabada Avatar

    these Arab,s king are too scare to america who are be able dethrone them any times….they also scare to isis…scare is now is a tool for Arabs kings to win.Politicians of scare.

    1. Hind Abyad Avatar
      Hind Abyad

      They were scared of Ayatollah Khomeini, that’s why SA and Kuwait asked and financed Saddam’s invasion of Iran.

      1. Liar liar
        pant’s on fire

  3. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    The Romans and the Arabs will jointly attack Iran according to the prophesy. Iran will be disintegrated. But that event will be after the Roman invasion of Egypt. So its not happening any time soon.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well then, DO IT and get it over with … tired of listening to ‘the future’ described in ancient dreams.

      1. man-o-war Avatar
        man-o-war

        My guess is that these “end of times” predictions came from a man having a manic episode. What do you think?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Looks like the HELL named Aleppo is emptying before the skins are fried again. Get ready for more ‘ASSad-loving’ refugees. 😉

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            The Syrian Army are patriots! Assad or no Assad, they’re fighting ISIS for their country, they took back 2 villages in Latakia.
            Allepo was the richest mosaic harmony the ME.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            All Past Tense now … Especially after the last couple of days with rebels blowing up a Torture Centre (understandable), and then ASSad barrel-bombing more after.
            ISIS used bulldozers to flatten another city somewhere in that messed-up landscape….
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31759555

            Too late to worry about landscapes …. or artworks … or any viable future inside the circle of death and destruction. The ‘trick’ is just to keep them all in there … creating their own 3-part harmony.

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Syria is invaded, yes or not? The terrorists live in cities, towns, refugee camps, besiege them so the civilians can’t flee, they use the as human shields as in Aleppo, while the population is in dire need of food and medical attention, terrorists have food..

            ISIS preparing to take Tel Abyad where many Christians, Armenians live, descendents of the 1915 Turkish massacres.

          4. It’s horrible everywhere and disgusting everywhere..how can we
            understand, it started after US invaded Iraq. Both Sunni and Shia
            stories are impossible to understand for an outsider.

        2. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          I’m trying to understand, i always believed wargame sect is Wahhabi, could you explain please what’s this Roman prophesies?

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I think the first question is, what are Hadiths?
            If they were being written now, ‘Rome’ would be ‘United States Of’ … or whoever was seen as controlling the ‘known world’. Then it was Rome. Now it’s New York.
            Future Hadiths would be written about ‘Yorkies’. I suppose.
            People always have that ‘love/hate’ relationship with the ones who make the biggest impacts on their lives, don’t they?? Can’t say that ROME didn’t make huge impacts.

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I understand Rome is the West but why go back 2000 years, when the West was Rome. Are Hadith “prophecies ” ?

          3. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I don’t think hadith are meant to be prophecies. They are a collection of writings from religious people. Some of the more important hadith to Muslims are the ones written by the inner circle of the Prophet. They essentially wrote down what the prophet did from day to day, and some tried to interpret the meaning of his actions. I could be wrong about what the hadith is, but I’m sure someone will correct me.

            Now for the prophecies, not sure how war-game links all this stuff together.

            For example:

            “Muslim narrated from al-Mustawrid al-Qurashi that he said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) saying:
            “The Hour will come when the Romans are the majority of people.”
            So ‘Amr ibn al-‘As said to him: “Watch what you say.” He said: “I say what I heard from the Messenger of Allah.”
            He said: “If you say that, it is because they have four qualities: they are the most able of people to cope with tribulation, the quickest of them to recover after an affliction, the readiest of them to return to battle after fleeing, and the best of them to the poor, the orphan and the weak. And they have a fifth good quality: they are the strongest of them in resisting the oppression of kings.” (Sahih Muslim)”

            He goes on to follow this up with, “Now you can see the Romans are indeed the Majority of people today. And if you read the above qualities and then compare the administration of Europe USA Australia Canada” haha, I don’t see it! I guess I’m just blind, lol

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Maybe blind … but sure naughty. Even if the bacon looks good …. ;-))
            If Romans are ‘non-believers’ of a ‘True Faith’, and Wargame lumps the Chinese into the ‘Roman’ equation – then there surely ARE more of ‘them’ – and the Hadith is fairly good.
            Although in some cases there’s only ½ points on the ‘quality’ lines. :-))

          5. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I’m not sure what Wargames sect is, I always just assumed he was a Sunni Muslim. Explain the Roman prophecies? haha, I don’t think there’s anyone alive that can explain this nonsense he’s been posting for almost over a year now.

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He once asked me prove what’s Wahhabi, he was unshakable, but i do know.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Ask him what his ‘Sun-Sign’ is … 😉

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Could be a ‘Liberal Wahhabi’ trying to understand some of the crazy ‘roots’ he has to contend with from the Conservative Ones. 😉 A ‘Scholar’ on a mission. There were times perhaps we did the same.
            And we get to read some ‘old thoughts’ which are interesting but fail to relate to the modern ‘world’ … although Wargame is trying hard to make them so.
            And as we know, some things always do relate to the human.

  4. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    Attacking Iran and Turkey
    The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: “Even if but a single day remains in this world, Allah will certainly prolong that day so that one from my family (Al-Mahdi) can take possession of Mount (or the land of) Daylam (in Iran) and the city of Constantinople (Istanbul).” (Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman, p. 74 and Death-Doomsday-The Hereafter and the Portents of the End Times, p. 440)

  5. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    Attacking Iran and Turkey prophesy
    Al-Mahdi will conquer Constantinople and Mount Daylam (in Iran). (Al-Haythami’s Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi Alamat al-Mahdi al- Muntazar, p. 27)

    1. zabada Avatar

      Al mahdi will not confront sunnis…he may be confront wahabis.

    2. Hind Abyad Avatar
      Hind Abyad

      Constantinople (in Iran) In what century?

      1. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        Mount Daylam is in Iran and they are also called the Daylamites. Constantinople is far from Mount Daylam which is in Iran.

  6. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    Roman Arab joint attack on Turkey and Iran prophesy
    Yunus bin Saif Al-Khulani said: ” You will reconcile with the Romans through a reconciliation treaty. Then, together, you will invade the (lands of the) Turks and Kerman (a region currently in Iran) and Allah will conquer them for you…” (Nuaim ibn Hammad’s Kitab al-Fitan)

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.”

      “But those who believe and do righteous deeds – We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide forever. For them therein are purified spouses, and We will admit them to deepening shade.”

      -Surat An-Nisa

  7. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    Ka’b said: “…You will enter into a reconciliation treaty with them for 10 years… You and the Romans will invade an enemy (located) behind Constantinople. When you return for that invasion, you will see Constantinople… Then, you and they will invade Al-Kufa (Shia city in Iraq) and cause devastation to it … Then, you and the Romans together will invade some of the people of the East (probably Iran and Russia)…” (Nuaim ibn Hammad’s Kitab al-Fitan)

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Who is this “Nuaim ibn Hammad’sKitab al-Fitan”? Does he practice sorcery? Isn’t sorcery and witchcraft haram in Islam? How can this guy make predictions like this without consequences? Was he having a manic episode when he come up with these predictions? Sounds like he might be the Islamic Nostradamus .

      1. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        Nuaim ibn Hammad was one of the greatest Scholars and he is the first person who compiled a full book of hadis. He was one of the teachers of Imam Bukhari. Nuaim ibn Hammad was imprisoned by the Abbasid era in Iraq and he died in prison. There are many prophesy in his book which are against the Abbasids….Todays Daesh bags in iraq are the same old banul Abbas!!

  8. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    Invading Iran is on the menu according to the prophesy
    Abdullah bin Masud said that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said : ” Between the Muslims and the Romans, there will be a Hudna (truce) and reconciliation treaty to the extent that they will fight together against their enemy and they (Muslims & Romans) will split the war acquisitions. Then, the Romans with the Muslims will invade Persia (Iran).” (Nuaim ibn Hammad’sKitab al-Fitan)

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      “Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.” Surat An-Nisa

    2. zabada Avatar

      any way 6 black flag will reach Saudi and shoot your ball.khah..khah..khah.

  9. wargame1 Avatar
    wargame1

    After defeating Iran the Romans will break the truce with the Arabs and invade Syria (Prophesy)
    Abdullah bin Masud said that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said : ” Between the Muslims and the Romans, there will be a Hudna (truce) and reconciliation treaty to the extent that they will fight together an enemy for Romans (non-Muslim nation) and they will split the war acquisitions. Then, the Romans with the Muslims will invade Persia (Iran). The Romans will say: Split with us the war booties (spoils) like we did. So, Muslims will split with the Romans the war booties and children of Polytheists. The Roman will say: Split what you got of the (Persian) Muslim children. The Muslims will say: We cannot split with you the the children of Muslims. … The Romans will invade and take over all of AshSham (Syria) , except Damascus and Ma’taq mountain near Homs (in Syria) where Muslims will keep their children. Victory will be withheld until one third of the Muslims dies, one third flees and one third remains fighting…..” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab al-Fitan)

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      “Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.” -Surat An-Nisa

      1. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        Stop Mutta then no one will look for four witness against you.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          Why would there ever be four witnesses? Unless it was a bunch of voyeurs hanging around.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Al-Nisa invented ‘Swinging’?? (‘house-party’, for the uninitiated … hehehe)

          2. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            My topic is prophesy and I do not deal with legislation. There are established books in this matter. Now if the worldly law fail to punish some one for the crime then Allah is capable to give divine punishment in the world or in the here after. So if we commit any crime and get away with it then we can always repent and seek forgiveness to Allah

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            And isn’t that similar to ‘Confession’?? And if one can ‘confess’ to the God and be absolved of the supposed ‘sin’, then why make ANY law about something that harms no-one … or take a life because it may have been done, but only hurt an ‘aggrieved’ in the sense of passions.

          4. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            Law and order is not designed to persecute people but the safe guard the innocent against the criminal. Different country and culture have different legislation. If you live a good life then you wont have to worry about law and order. Some criminals use law and order to persecute people such as the Daesh Dogs , they call any one Kafir and kill them whoever oppose them. In the past the Christian fundamentalist did witch hunting. Any one was a witch if he/She went against the Christian Al-Qaeda of the past. But when the legislation is applied by righteous people then a good citizen have no problem living in that society.

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Yes. Which is why we separated that religious-precept stuff from the laws of a society trying to cater for all in it. The Religious zealots were anathema to any healthy society.

          6. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            The Romans gave freedom of religion and people from any faith can live under the Roman rule. The Muslims have no problem living under the Roman governance because we can practice the five essentials of Islam i.e. Prayer ,Fasting ,Pilgrim, Zakat (Charity) and faith. There are millions of Muslims living in the Roman governing land and there they enjoy the freedom of religion. There are many Churches leased/bought by the Muslims and now they are Mosque. It is Allah who gave the Roman succession on earth as many other generation got succession in the past and many new successor will come in the future. As long as the Romans are not oppressive then there is no problem for any one to live under their rule.

    2. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      I’m just wondering wargame, these prophecies, where do you get them from and who wrote them? Also, how much importance do you or Sunnis give them and how much do you believe them.
      I’m guessing that the Romans you speak of are the Rum (rumi) or Christians. Yet today, those Rumi no longer exist. There is no longer a Christian civilization, and the centers of the Rumi that used to be Constantinople and Rome are no longer centers of political christianity. So what do we do of them in these prophecies?
      Now that the Rumis turned secular and are not fighting in the name of the Rum, what do we say of the prophecy? Has it been already fulfilled (probably during WWI) or maybe before? Or is it yet to become truth (a return to Christianity by the seculars)?
      I’m really very interested to know

      1. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        The Romans exist long before Christianity started. Rum is the Arabic accent but in English it is Roman. In Arabic they are also called Banu Al-Asfer i.e. Yellow/reddish people. In the Bible they are called Edomites which also means Red. Now let me tell you who they are. They are the descendant of Esau who was the twine brother of Jacob (peace be upon him). Esau was born first so he is “Big brother” and Jacob was born after him. Esau didnt get the prophet hood but he has some great qualities and I will tell you about their qualities from a prophesy. All Romans are not Christians and the Early Romans were Pagans . It was the Roman solders who were lured by the wicked Jews to arrest Jesus (Peace be upon him). The Roman general Titus destroy Jerusalem. When Christianity became popular then the Roman became worried and tried to suppressed the movement. That was due to a Al-Qaeda type of group among the Children of Israel called “The Zealots” who tried to take on the Romans. These Zealots also put Jesus in trouble and that was the reason the Romans were after Jesus as they thought Jesus was a zealot too. That Zealots also wanted “Gods Law” same as Al-Qaeda and decided to work for the Romans , stop paying tax etc but the Romans crushed that movement.

        Well back to thew real Christianity which were popular and the Roman emperor Nero become worried so he burnt the city of Rome and blamed it on the Christians and then persecuted them. The Christianity grew further and then the Romans decided to adopt Christianity and the Roman Emperor Constantine and other Roman Leaders “Romanized” it . Thats another subject. So The Romans are a race just lieke the Arabs and the Persians. They are alive and kicking to this very day!!! Both Romans and the Children of Israel are the descendant of Isaac (Peace be upon him)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Rum is another favourite, actually … mixed with various fruits it’s simply marvellous.
          I once knew an Arabic girl … who had a Roman nose …
          (someone will pick that up and run with it … hehehe) 😉

      2. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        A prophesy which has fulfilled about the Romans and the Persians
        Nu’aym ibn Hammad narrated from Ibn Muhayriz that he said: “The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: “Persia will only take one or two thrusts, and then there will be no Persia after that. But the Romans will have many generations: whenever one generation goes, another one will take their place.”

        ——————————————————————————————-
        You can see this fulfilled prophesy by comparing the Romans and the Persians today. The Romans expanded all over the world and certainly they are in the drivers seat. Europe , USA Canada Australia New zealand and many other places are under the control of the Romans but the Persians are confined in to their old boundary.

      3. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        This is a prophesy about the Romans and the clue to identify them.

        Muslim narrated from al-Mustawrid al-Qurashi that he said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) saying:
        “The Hour will come when the Romans are the majority of people.”
        So ‘Amr ibn al-‘As said to him: “Watch what you say.” He said: “I say what I heard from the Messenger of Allah.”
        He said: “If you say that, it is because they have four qualities: they are the most able of people to cope with tribulation, the quickest of them to recover after an affliction, the readiest of them to return to battle after fleeing, and the best of them to the poor, the orphan and the weak. And they have a fifth good quality: they are the strongest of them in resisting the oppression of kings.” (Sahih Muslim)

        ————————————————————————————————-
        Now you can see the Romans are indeed the Majority of people today. And if you read the above qualities and they compare the administration of Europe USA Australia Canada and else where you will see the sign….their Health care system social security system, care for the disabled orphan old home..etc. Do you see the reflection ? They are certainly demonstrated their capability to face any disaster. And their democracy , human rights freedom of speech , Fredom of religion etc. Its true that bad people infiltrated inside the administration and the great Roman administration is no longer as good as before but still you can find some of them.

      4. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        There were division among the Romans when Christianity became their official religion. Thats why we have the Roman Catholic and the Eastern orthodox Christianity. The Western side was concentrated in Rome Italy and the Eastern side was in Constantinople who were also called “The Byzantine” . Both east and western Romans translated the Bible in to Greek and Latin language. The Byzantines were from Greece , they were pure Greek and they spoke Greek and they had strong Hellenic tradition and made great effort to preserve it. The Byzantine Emperor defeat the persian emperor in one of their many battle and recovered the “True Cross” from the Persians which were looted by the Persians. The name Byzantine came after the name of a village in Greece called Byzantium

        1. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          This we know. Rome copied Eastern Christianity,
          it existed 200 years before Roman Church, they copied Popes, Bishops of Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria. Sorry, this was not MekensehParty question, i was interested in reading the response.

    3. Adamant Critique Avatar
      Adamant Critique

      For your information, many of the ahadeeth in Nuaim bin Hammad’s book are daeef (not authentic). So before posting or sharing anything, be sure to double check its authenticity.

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        wargame1

        I have left that checking thing to Nuaim ibn Hammad who compiled them in his book. He knew about their status too. My interest is to read them and proclaim and observe the unfolding event. If the event happens according to the hadis then it is sahih or else its not sahih. I dont like to keep the hadis book warped with thick cloths and put on the top of the shelf.

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        wargame1

        There is another reason of calling a hadis Daeef when it goes against the interest of certain groups. For instance : in the past The Abbasid Khelafa imprisoned many Scholars and Nuaim Ibn Hammad was one of them. If we read his book of hadis then we find there are many prophesy directly banul Abbas in the end of time. Todays Daesh are the Banul Abbas who carried the Black Flag in the past to get political support , their official clothing were black, their state religion was “Mutazilite” . One of the Abbasid Khalifa I.e. Mamoon declared Mutazilites as state religion and today they are using the same technique to fool the people. There are several prophesy about the Banul Abbas and its very clear if we compare them in todays event. I will post them in due time.

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