Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas, says Turkish president

erdogan 10Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.

“Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus,” the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America.

“Muslim sailors arrived in America from 1178. Columbus mentioned the existence of a mosque on a hill on the Cuban coast,” Erdogan said.

Erdogan said that Ankara was even prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer.

“I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today,” the Turkish leader said.

History books say that Columbus set foot on the American continent in 1492 as he was seeking a new maritime route to India.

Latin American Muslim Leaders in Istanbul
Latin American Muslim Leaders in Istanbul
A tiny minority of Muslim scholars have recently suggested a prior Muslim presence in the Americas, although no pre-Columbian ruin of an Islamic structure has ever been found.

In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba. But the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape.

  • 5thDrawer

    And the Vikings beat the Muslims. And there was another group 200 years prior to them.
    So?? What is Erdogan trying to ‘prove’? AND Who gives a flying …. ?
    http://www.viking.no/e/info-sheets/canada/canada.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows

    • Maborlz Ez-Hari

      The problem you see is the very loose use of the word “Scholar”. In no way even remotely possible can a scholar be of the islamic faith and be regarded a scholar fittingly, The combination of the two will and has to result in a cancelation of one or the other. Makes sense, YES it does. And to top it right off, TURKISH kaman? Ouzzou bil layel…..

      • TheUSequalsTheIS
      • Hind Abyad
        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Ya hind, bost that comment to the iranian women blease.

          • MekensehParty

            or a Palestinian…

          • Hind Abyad

            It’s not my fault if i studied history.. dang iou

          • MekensehParty

            you studied History… falsification

          • Hind Abyad

            Excuse me? Are you stupid? Explain the falsification, the cuneiform is in Washington.

          • The Love Asylum

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          • Hind Abyad

            Thank you Guest..i know you have influence in the Love Asylum .

          • The Love Asylum

            We have work to do on those pesky wrinkles! Or as we like to call them, “wild nature ripples”. The latest home remedy is simply olive oil. Soak your toes in olive oil while we slip on this straight jacket…

            It’s the latest trend on the runways in paris right now… you know that, right?

          • Hind Abyad

            Dany Nohra

            As a Christian Lebanese, I love watching you sand niggers argue and measure dicks. The Shi’ite and Sunni’s of the Mid East are bunch of barbaric tribes with uneducated extremist citizen disconnected from reality and misinformed. Iran is a cancer with evil intention and policies of hate and ignorance, KSA on the other hands, are fraudulent, sneaky, dirty and without oil the US would’ve turned it into a parking lot after what 17 of its citizen flew into the world trade. In conclusion, exterminate each other you dumb animals and cleans this world from this evil you spread.

            2:22 a.m., Saturday Nov. 15
            Reply to Dany Nohra

            (You look like a fat sand nigger, that’s your Zionist language, no Lebanese Christian says sand nigger..What a parasite, you’re as ugly as i imagined..showing off with a blond? Insignificant, barabie is more your type.:))

          • Hind Abyad

            The Love Asylum (Guest):

            We have work to do on those pesky wrinkles! Or as we like to call them, “wild nature ripples”. The latest home remedy is simply olive oil. Soak your toes in olive oil while we slip on this straight jacket…

            It’s the latest trend on the runways in paris right now… you know that, right?

            11:21 p.m., Monday Nov. 17

            Reply

          • MekensehParty

            LOL

          • Hind Abyad
          • 5thDrawer

            A General with some logic. Indeed. Good link.
            Since everyone ‘over there’ thinks ‘westerners’ brought them ALL their problems beginning with the First Crusade, bombing the shit out of them isn’t going to change the drugged-up battle-ready minds who ‘promote’ that ancient line:
            ‘Can’t Hate a Caiphate’ ® … and other similar slogans, like:
            ‘Two heads in the hands, are better than one with the Bushies.’®
            And NOW that females over 30 with no make-up are going to be allowed to actually drive a car, instead of being only back-seat-drivers, it’s really going to become messy.
            (assume there’s a car accident. But the ‘aid people’ are not allowed to look beyond the black and see where the blood is coming from … even if they hunger to do it. 😉 )
            Soon, no-one will be getting their virgins … imagine the ‘road-rage’.

          • Hind Abyad

            And Biden had to apologize for telling the truth ..
            You see; the West is Allied with these rats

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Loooool, ok study history its a good thing but we are living today maybe start taking into consideration the present also.

          • Hind Abyad

            ouffff.. i studied when it was time to study.. i live in the present more than most here..Dang iou again 🙁

          • Lebanezen

            If you can handle the present, then stop and breathe. For someone who claims to be living in the now, then you must first forget the past. Enough exaggerated memories and let go of your inflated sense of being – you are no larger than a speck of dust in this magnificent universe we are guests in.

            Take some advice from a humble observer – you need to let go of your ego and choose to be grateful of the abundance you are surrounded by.

          • Hind Abyad

            Why do i think it’s Mekenseh..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I dont think mek would call himself lebanezen. I like it, reminds me of when i used to go beiruting.

          • 5thDrawer

            lololol …..

          • Hind Abyad

            ..ezen, enseh.. and also you like it..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Ashou dang iou?

          • Hind Abyad

            Katter kheirac..:))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your welcome, I think. I’ll figure it out eventually :0

          • 5thDrawer

            (hate acronyms … is that ‘new-speak’ for, ‘I own you’?? Instead of, ‘I owe you’??)

          • Hind Abyad

            ?? don’t know ..

      • Hind Abyad

        What about Edward Said? A Palestinian scholar..

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Balestinian? I’ll Google him and get back to you.

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes Balestinian… you have to google?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Yes I have google but I prefer to ogle :)))))

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Yes hind he was a gifted person and someone the Palestinians should be proud of. A very distinguished man from that part of the world.

          • Hind Abyad

            I forgot to tell you he was a Palestinian Christian (scholar).

    • TheUSequalsTheIS

      i give a flying…. bcos the europeans mistakenly think they are superior to the world while in fact they r copycats at most.
      the native americans beat the vikings wid 1000’s of yrs, u see! the next thing the europeans wanna make us believe is that they r good ppl and that the zionists hand out roses in gaza.

      • 5thDrawer

        BUT, you see, the history isn’t lost. It’s just that DORKS like you and Erdogan finally learned something, and then like kids with the ‘volcano’ science experiment, want to blast it all over as if it’s a ‘revelation’. THIS is a ‘great news item’ of Turkey?? Wow.
        (see my previous on ‘fire’ invention)
        And if they were going to put anything in proper context they would have to say ‘Arabs’, not Muslims …. or ‘Christians’, not Columbus.
        And you would need to say ‘Mongolians’, not ‘Native Americans’.
        AND THEN, we’d ALL need to admit we came from a tiny tribe formulated in a petrie-dish or crucible, perhaps in a godly kitchen, in what is now named Africa, which is probably not what that tribe named it when they first grunted at each other.

        I have a feeling Erdogan is looking for a box of Cuban cigars.

        • doron

          he feels under appreciated..putting some hot air into the over inflated balloon called nowadays Turkey.

          • Hind Abyad

            We don’t need more hot air when we have you.

          • doron

            you are still here….
            a classic arab…you push for a deal and back out from it when you see you can’t do with out your imagined enemy..it actually cancles you when i’m not arguing with you :)) you feed on hate and when you don’t get it ,you fade :)))))
            bye now….

          • Hind Abyad

            Fuddle duddle…classic Jew..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            rather being under appreciated like me than being hated like the israelis

          • MekensehParty

            you’re not under appreciated Irani, you are being priced at face value, 1 toman is what you’re worth, and that’s with all your life belongings.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            is that supposed to be an insult? blease try harder

          • 5thDrawer

            He’s probably right. Even with today’s gold prices, all the mineral content of a body doesn’t amount to enough to bother extracting it. :-)))
            (a couple of hundred thousand Syrians, on the other hand …. hmmm)

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            There is a market for faeces though, ever since Isis kicked off they have been recruiting shit for brains at an astonishing rate. If the precious metal market ain’t so flash may be a new marketing campaign directed towards the new market leader Isis, they’ll make good use of faeces look at jihadi john for examble.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            if u look at it that way, then maybe

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Wasn’t one off his best was it.

          • doron

            since it’s only Muslims that hates us..we happily live with this..Hahaha..hated as Israelis.. you ARE living in a bubble 🙂
            was at Europe the other weekend, Berlin..the people who didn’t like me were Muslims .the European treated me with suspicion till they found out i’m not one of the Muslims infesting their city ….
            people hate freeloaders and freeloaders hate all who are better then them.. it comes from their unjustified sense of under appreciation- then they go out on the streets and riot..which makes people hate them even more :)) and again, the only ones who don’t see it are the “under appreciated” that riot.
            it’s a cultural thing..i could never act like this

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            hitler was not a muslim

          • doron

            no ,and if he could see what Muslim invasion did to Europe, he would never go after the Jews 🙂
            the population vacuum post WWII in Europe brought the mass waves of Muslims into Europe…and Europe is going down ever since

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Like I said earlier the similarities are uncanny.

          • doron

            you are fond of throwing remarks instead of actually responding… do you think i got it wrong?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You call it an invasion of muslims in europe? Did they roll in on tanks, frigates, violate borders on their way? Just like jews live in Europe so do moslems! If they are not wanted so werent jews remember? There must be a logical explanation you tell me.

          • doron

            invasion means that once there were almost none 60 years ago and now there are millions. you can’t compare it to jews who lived there for thousands of years and never threaten the majority, got the difference?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            So it comes down to “time”

          • doron

            time , magnitude and the ability to fit into society in contrasts to challenging it and trying to break it from within.
            even if no one opposes you getting to Europe- no European is happy with the way you try to transform their countries into a second middle east

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I do agree with you about the challenging turning it into a mess and overcrowding their prisons etc but that’s because their politically correct, tree hugging, bra throwing, gay loving leaders are piss weak. So when they wake up from their dreams the nightmares will start, but that’s the way the cookie crumbled my dear yehoudi.

          • doron

            yeah but ..it’s their country..they have every right to be a tree hugging, bra throwing, gay loving leaders are piss weak if they chose to.
            if they wanted, rioting, rapes ,crime waves,war lords, i-legall weapons they would migrate to ME, don’t you think?
            the problem is that people (like you just demonstrated) believe you are entitled to force your way of living on other people ,in their lands ,without their approval and still don’t see it as wrong- that my friend is an invasion

          • 5thDrawer

            Oh doron /// You know you will get whacked for burning olive trees on that line. :-)))
            You can BE a pot, but don’t call a kettle ‘black’ when trying to make a sensible argument.
            (and I don’t know why Marbolz doesn’t like ‘gay-folks’ …)

          • doron

            nope :)))
            there are pics of arab “betselem” activists taking down trees and staging it as settlers..officially i do not believe them any more.

            besides, we’ll resort to who was here first, and who invaded who, argument soon enough – and this is an argument no arab has ever won ..I’m ok but thanks for worrying

          • man-o-war

            Do you believe that all “btselem” videos are staged? How many do you know of that were staged?

          • doron

            no i don’t , do you believe all of them are not staged?
            only one

          • man-o-war

            You just answered the question. 1:10,000 videos

          • doron

            oh.. no my friend…i said this is the only one I know of..if there is one there are others and if there are others ,how many we’ll never know.

          • man-o-war

            haha, I’m sure it happens, but by no means is it the norm. They are an important organization and they’ve helped expose injustice.

          • doron

            the role they play is important.it makes me sad that they take a side in their approach ,but that comes with the funding.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            The images make me cringe, I can’t help it.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You miss understanding me again, I said ” I AGREE WIZ YOU”

          • doron

            i have to tell you some thing about “the way the coockie crumbles” my friend- what if it doesn’t crumble this way?
            what if you are wrong and not only the Christians will not cave in , but they use their armies and go to war on you guys? can you imagine how much death and destruction it will bring to Muslims in Europe? is it really worth it to take that chance only because you believe you can “get away with that”?
            i ask because i see the same pattern among Arabs here in israel and PA..it always looks and feels as if they are over confident it their abilities and when the battle smoke clears ,they are shocked they were defeated again (for only god knows how many times )and start looking for excuses while forgetting how much suffering their unfounded high self confidence brought on their heads.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Psssssst, I am Christian.

          • doron

            :)) couldn’t you say it before?

            so it’s not your people, it’s other people, Muslims, that do those things..not your people but it’s still happening

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            It’s Like watching tennis, plus I don’t like to brag.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            being a christian is nothing to brag about

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Dont hate, its ok your enviously envious. Because I’m happy, oh your not allowed to be happy sorry I wont use the “h” word again.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            silly comment

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            cheer up mr. You might be iranian but i wont hold that against you.

          • 5thDrawer

            He wasn’t. That was the point.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            yes he who discovered the americas wasnt

          • 5thDrawer

            Man, you really can’t let that one go with the mists of time, eh?
            You want Erdogan to come over and replace Obama so MUCH? Wow …
            You DO realize they actually have natural life-spans, don’t you? Both of them.

            Perhaps you think we can hide one in a cave for a while …..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Funny how European and other countries increase their quotas coming from the Middle East at about the same rate that the Jews plan to expand their territories and settlements over there. Maybe just a coincidence but the ledger clearly shows what go in must come out.

          • doron

            i know nothing about that, and i’m sure it’s not related.
            i find it more likely that the quotas rise according to the war in ME. Syria/Iraq produce more refuges per month then Israel produces in a decade.or am i wrong here ?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Well lets wait and see if there are any further land/water grabs in Syria, maybe I am wrong we will see.

          • doron

            i’d concentrate more on the numbers of dead and starved..nothing like a hungry belly to encourage migration.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your familiar with that strategy.

          • doron

            as an observer only..i’m watching my neighbors for a while now..

          • Hind Abyad

            You know nothing about it..euhh…millions of refugees.. Halliburton produced billions in oil $ millions of refugees, now Syria on top or Irak on top of Palestinians..how gross knowing nothing.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Ignorance is bliss

          • doron

            how idiotic can a person be?

            two comments in front of you, one corresponds to the other, READ ,think and then try to answer in a way that helps the conversation :)))

            impulsive reactions without thinking first is what holds you back in the first place

          • Hind Abyad

            Here’s a real Jew, listen to him you might learn something about the rest of the Jews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ8lIsAjAvk

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            stupid comment

          • doron

            thank god,
            i would be very worried if you agreed.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            thank god? well god is as stupid as u r, otherwise he wudnt have let the jews to be the “chosen ppl”

          • doron

            stupid as you believe he is, he chose us and we’re still here..
            for a “stupid” he does excellent work for the last 4000 years.
            ..you’re jealous ;))

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            something must have went wrong as u have been hated for all of those 4000 yrs u brag about

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            It is an interesting point. Maybe something is missing.

          • doron

            who? 🙂 besides the christians for “murdering” Christ and the muslims since the 20th centory ,who acctually singled out jews? :))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            How did the Christians kill Christ? The ones who plotted his trial and demanded he be crucified were not Christian. Anyway we all know that his own people’s rejected him but he is the light of the world and will come again so be a good boy ok.

          • Hind Abyad

            I think we’re loosing our time with the Countessa…

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Doesnt matter maybe we can help him realise that we are all God’s creations.

          • Hind Abyad

            His Guest is Zio or ISIL.
            Israel Grand-Rabbi said; if Jesus comes back he will be deported.. but, they count on 80 million American Christians Evangelists votes. They guaranties US stays under Israeli thumb. Rabbis rabid hypocrisy.

          • Hind Abyad

            Who told you were chosen. God never spoke, that’s whats stupid.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Hind, there is no doubt that they are the chosen ones. However, they have also CHOSEN to disregard his WORD.

          • MekensehParty

            That makes them even more clever
            The God of the old testament has nothing to do with the God of the new testament. Two very opposite figures (one is vengeful and burns cities, countries and civilizations down and the other is all loving and forgiving). If I was a Jewish person I wouldn’t listen to Yahweh.
            Thank God I found Zarkon who led me in the only true way! yek yek yek

          • doron

            well then , every religion is stupid, including the christians who believe Miriam was a virgin when she gave birth 😉
            it’s a matter of faith, denouncing existance of a god like figure in one religion while accepting the possibility in another- thats plain stupidity.

          • MekensehParty

            hear hear

          • Hind Abyad

            Who killed the Romanov family, who were the Bolsheviks? You have to stop the insufferable arrogance proclaiming to be the shining light of morality guiltless innocence and rightfulness.. anti-Zionists are rejected for politics they are not “chosen”, they are vilified as self-hating Jews. You consider modern Jews to be the Chosen?

            The Pharisees rejected the Bible they wrote the Talmud where God is disrespected.

            They rejected Moses 10 commandments, maybe it’s time for you to reject the Talmud, at least be conscientious they created antisemitism during their exile in Europe.

            -THE BOLSHEVIK JEWS WHO PLOTTED THE UKRAINIAN HOLOCAUST

            1) Lazar Kaganovich:
            Stalin’s political figurehead of the Central Committee. In 1928, Kaganovich led the implementation in the Ukraine of Stalin’s first Five-Year Plan.

            ~ The aim of Stalin’s first Five-Year Plan in the Ukraine was to destroy family farms through starvation making the peasants “landless” and thereby introducing in collectivization” by which the Ukrainian peasants were forced to become employees of the state. This forced-famine reached its crises point in 1932.

            2) Genrikh Yagoda: Founder of the NKVD (Soviet Secret Police). Assisted in the first Five-Year Plan of starving Ukrainian peasants.

            3) Nikolai Yezhov: Appointed by Yagoda as Head of the NKVD. Assisted in the first Five-Year Plan of starving Ukrainian peasants. (Yezhov took on a “Russian” name like most Bolshevik Jews. His wife was an active Jew).

            These Bolshevik Jews seized livestock, crops, grain, and farm implements from the Ukrainian peasants. Any Ukrainian citizen who resisted them was shot. Desperate Ukrainian clergy and peasants ate anything to survive: bugs, grass, and leather shoes.

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
            ——————
            -THE MURDER OF THE RUSSIAN ROYAL FAMILY

            With support from inside the Social Democratic party and many of the Jewish-run soviets, Lenin, joined by Trotsky from New York, gained the upper hand over the Kerensky government. In August of 1917, the Russian Royal Family fled to Tobolsk in Siberia. They stayed at the Governors House until April 1918. They hoped to escape to England where King George V, a Romanov cousin, would hopefully grant them refuge. But he refused due to pressure from Jewish groups.

            On April 22 1918, the Jew, Jacob Sverdlov, first President of the Soviet Union, sent his aide, the Jew, Yankel Yakovlev, to Tobolsk to persuade Tzar Nicholas II to agree to sanction the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty. Tzar Nicholas refused for he considered the treaty an ‘eternal disgrace to Russia. He did though agree to return to Moscow as he was told that the Germans were willing to grant him asylum.

            They got as far as Ekaterinburg in the Urals where the train was halted by the Regional Soviets dominated by four Jews, Goloshchekin, Safarov, Voikov and kyromolotov. These four communist Jews appointed the Jew, Jacob Yurovsky, son of a local Jewish ex-convict, as the head the local Cheka (Soviet Secret Police) in Ekaterinburg. Yurovsky was given the assignment to imprison, plan, and carry out, the assassination of the Russian Royal family.
            ——-

            -THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE..(resuming today with the Syrian Christians genocide).

            BUSINESS AS USUAL is a powerful motivating force especially when Jews like the Rothschilds are running an oil business.
            Banking is the forte of the Jewish House of Rothschild. But raw materials–especially oil–are money in the bank.

            The Young Turk movement, AKA Committee of Union and Progress, arose out of the Rothschilds’ oil interests in the Black Sea area of the Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s. ‘Creating stability’ in an incendiary realm was necessary for the Rothschilds’ new oil enterprise Baku Oil. The instability of the Armenian Christians’ financial and intellectual prominence in the area was not “good for business.”

            Thus hand-picked Jews of Salonika, (Jews made up the majority of the city’s population), and foreign agitators such as the Russian Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinksy the editor of The Young Turk newspaper, were just what the Rothschilds needed for ridding the source of that instability, the Armenian Christians.

            The Zionist Young Turks who sought for the break up of the Ottoman Empire in order to obtain Palestine–and the House of Rothschild, who needed a Jewish-controlled Turkey and hegemony over the entire Middle East, could work together. This meant funding for the Jewish Young Turks and revolutionary subversives for the Rothschilds.

            1. Emmanuel Carraso: B’nai B’rith Official of Italian origin. Grand Master of the Macedonia Resurrected Masonic Lodge in Salonika; Established the ’secret’ Committee of Union & Progress in Salonika in 1890.

            2. Tallaat Pasha
            (1874-1921): Thought to be a Turk but in reality a “Donmeh Jew.” Interior Minister of Turkey during World War I; Member of Carasso’s Masonic lodge and Grand Master of the Scottish Rite Masons in Turkey; Chief architect of the Armenian Holocaust and Director of Deportations. He wrote, “By continuing the deportation of the Armenians to their destinations during the intense cold we are ensuring their eternal rest.”

            3. Djavid Bey: “Donmeh
            Jew.” Talaat’s Finance Minister; Arranged the finances of revolution in Turkey with the Rothschilds; Later assassinated by Ataturk as a perceived rival.

            4. Messim Russo: Assistant to Djavid Bey.

            5. Refik Bey, AKA Refik Saydam Bey: Editor of Young Turk newspaper Revolutionary Press; Became Prime Minister of Turkey in 1939.

            6. Emanuel Qrasow: Jewish propagandist for The Young Turks. Headed the delegation to inform Sultan Abdul Hamid II that “the nation has removed you from your office.”

            7. Vladimir Jabotinsky:
            Russian Zionist who moved to Turkey in 1908. Supported by B’nai Brith of London and Dutch Zionist millionaire, Jacob Kann; Editor of Young Turk newspaper. Later started the terrorist Irgun political party in Israel. (Note: Menachem Begin, Jabotinsky’s pupil, and Y.Shamir active at same time along Sarcozy grand-uncle Mashal, in Greece.
            8. Alexander Helphand, AKA Parvus: Financier/liaison of the Rothschilds of the Young Turk revolution; Editor of The Turkish Homeland.

            9. Mustafa Kemal
            ‘Ataturk’ (1881-1938): A Jew of Sephardic (Spanish) origin. Ataturk attended the Jewish elementary school known as Semsi Effendi School run by the Jew Simon Zvi.

          • doron

            lol..whrer did you come from :)))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your seeing stars now:))))

          • 5thDrawer

            Her ‘quests’ are valid … but lumping all the world’s idiots into Israel doesn’t quite make sense … how only 13 million ‘Jews’ can control the 7 billion is a little weird.
            But tell me, DO They Try ?? 😉

          • doron

            common 5th, lets get real here.
            Jewish world domination Myth started with the circulation of ” elders of Zion protocol” which is a known fake (true ,some Arabs will swear it’s true but we know differently).
            now it’s impossible to “control the world” impossible to the mighty Russia, the Mighty US or the Mighty China.
            since we’re smart people you and I, do you honestly believe Jews are dumb enough to believe they can control the world? i find it more likely that Arabs are dumb enough to believe it’s possible- it also gives them a convenient excuse for hatred .

          • 5thDrawer

            🙂 … Yes … but I thought I should ask. I would head for the bush if you said ‘yes’. :-))))
            Maybe you can tell me why everyone blames Jews for having banks.
            We all hate those Credit-card ‘usury’ rates …. but get stuck with them if we overspend.
            😉 Can’t blame ourselves, of course. :-))
            Banks have their own religion ….

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your asking the one with his hand in the cookie jar.

          • 5thDrawer

            Careful Mab … I’ve seen what Leb Hospitals charge for a (rare) time-payment.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Damn cookies taste so good.

          • 5thDrawer

            So did the girl …. 😉

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            :0 aybishoum……

          • 5thDrawer

            Sorry … got sidetracked /// hohohohoho ….. Sun came out ….

          • doron

            I can actually explain that 🙂 and again, it’s not our “fault”
            Jews in middle ages in Europe were not allowed to own land.they had to be traders ,cause this is what the Christians allowed them, traders, became merchants and merchants has Money.
            through the years, money became more important then land and that’s the point where the merchants became bankers- no longer dealing in goods but in Money

          • 5thDrawer

            Sensible.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            And the french revolution. While were at it most probably all the arab springs as well.

          • 5thDrawer

            ‘People’ will become revolted by revolting Idiot Leaders’ at some point … when they are ignored completely, (and only have cake to eat) they eventually make the ‘changes’ happen. 🙂

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Interestingly there is a forest in Israel named after Kemal Ataturk. Ataturk forest.

          • 5thDrawer

            They will cut it down eventually … ‘need’ more housing … still not handing out condoms.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            No it’s a forest planted by Israelis, they won’t lop them besides they have been clearing already established housing sites in the name of national security.

          • 5thDrawer

            The truth (Pravda) … only sets free the ones who ignore it for their own reasons.
            They will say, ‘well, it wasn’t me.’
            But if they don’t see the reality of the ‘human nature’ in it, they will repeat the events.
            Russia was ‘unique’. Perhaps still is to a huge extent.
            The ‘Upper crust’ – eliminated by the ‘Reds’ – were not there to lead the vast majority of Russians who were uneducated peasants. Conditions were set by this – the grubs grubbed for survival – no matter what ‘religion’ they may have had – in a time when religious ‘tops’ still controlled populations largely by that ‘Fear’ of God. Universal education did not exist.
            And those who had no such fear, just ran with with it until it swallowed them too.
            ‘Tribalism’ of the Soviet Machine.

          • Hind Abyad

            They were living in peace, Albert Einstein warned bitterly about Zionists: “.. took Palestine gangsters style”.

          • doron

            they are not so peacefull today once they got their numbers high..herd mentality, combined with a false feeling of power and control- it will get to a European Intifatha real fast and it will blow up in their faces , just like the ones they had here.
            isn’t it the same Einstein that said “only fools repeat the same experiment and expect different results”
            with all due respect- you can’t repeat the same 2 lines in an artical over and over again..bring some new stuff

          • 5thDrawer

            Even after the ‘Invasion Of The Body-Snatchers’, populations increased …… 🙁

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Ńot as bad as throwing cluster bombs on civilians.

          • doron

            i’m sorry, did you mean barrel bombs? or suicide cars into coffee houses like your people are doing in Iraq/lebanon/syria ?
            and..besides your overwhelming conviction we’re targeting civilians on purpose- do yo have a proof?
            your guys threaten their heads off they’ll go to ICC about “Israeli genocide” the mere fact that they did not even attempt that should make you realize by now that a: it’s a propaganda and b: if civilians are killed – the criminals are the people who chose the battle ground

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your doing it again your pointing out the splinter in your brothers eye but you refuse to see the branch in your own eye. Not much happening up stairs is there?

          • doron

            i am certainly not!
            i’m proving you that PA claims are groundless, no other reason for them to threaten a law suit and do nothing about it unless they know it doesn’t hold water.
            and then i’m showing you that yours are the people who act the way ,you try to pin on us.
            it’s your refusal to accept it, to believe the facts ,that makes you still hold to your claim

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Oufffffft if it wasn’t for Mila Kunis, Bar Rafaeli, and A few others I would never talk to a Jew. But I keep trying hoping one day they will turn human.

          • doron

            …and we’re back to square 1…an arab that can never bring himself to understanding he is wrong…or that a compromise is not a dirty word…history is repeating itself once again.
            * they are babes arent they :)))
            check out esti ginsburg as well

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I’ve never had a problem admitting when I’m wrong, but I don’t hate people because they are Moslem or Jewish or black or yellow. I just don’t like heavy handed responses from your government on the Palestinian people, your demolishing of people’s homes, your restrictions you place on them etc, etc, etc……. All this from a people with a history of suffering? Come on I don’t think Islam is great but the people are still people, kids are kids, the elderly are elderly where’s your compassion? If they have rotten leaders who is supporting them?

          • doron

            but again…why are those buildings demolished? why are there restrictions on population?
            if we were just interested in killing them, we would blow up the power line that we supply Gaza electricity through, blame it on the Arabs and refuse to fix it cause of concern to our engineers safety.
            you look at our reaction and yet you see it as aggression.
            i’m coming from a point of acceptance- i understand the arabs never wanted peace with us and all my actions flow from that understanding..and it’s not going to change unless the arabs prove they changed.
            this is the only way there will ever be a change.you may disagree with me, you may think i’m harsh, you may think i’m racict- thats up to you.
            what i tell you is that the ball is only in the hands of thea arabs- it’s up to you now to convince us you’re changed.till that happens- there will be wars and there will be dead people and you will hate my guts. i don’t care, my only interest is the preservation of Israel

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            There you go, your only interest is the preservation of Israel. Not the preservation of life. Let me tell you something if God wants Israel preserved not you and no army on earth can preserve it better. How about you start valuing life and allowing a few liberations on the people you guys are oppressing.

          • doron

            Isarel is Jews, and i’m interested in preservation of the Jewish minority in ME.
            it doesn’t mean i pick fights with everyone around but it does mean i’m hitting hard anyone that hits at me.
            same as Christians are interested in preserving Christians
            druze in preserving druze…etc
            shiia/sunnies/yazidis/jews/druze/any other ethnic group’s sole interest these days is self preservation.
            yours as well so lets not pretend to be something we’re not

          • MekensehParty

            Seriously now, why don’t you all call yourselves humans, turn these temples, mosques and churches into museums/historic sites and move the eff on?

          • doron

            if you can set this up you have my vote

          • man-o-war

            Why are those homes demolished? I believe its an excuse for Israel to keep expanding into Palestinian territory and slowly expelling the people.

            How many homes are going to be destroyed because of what these two psychotic murders did the other day? How is making their families homeless just as winter sets in a humane response? What other country does this?

          • doron

            i have no idea how many homes will be demolished, if we look on recent past ,then none will be. they threaten here but seldom do.i don’t think demolishing a home helps but that’s my opinion.
            i do find it disgusting that their families expressed support for the act. as far as i’m concerned they should be deported to PA.

            as for excuse- demolishing 2 buildings in a village, does not help in anyway in taking control of that village.

          • man-o-war

            What happens to the land when the two buildings are destroyed? Is the land seized by the government?

          • doron

            no

          • man-o-war

            No? Then what happens to that land where the home stood? Is it held in limbo by the Israeli government until nobody is looking?

          • doron

            no, it still belongs to the family.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Very nice, see there is more to Israel than Benji.

          • doron

            LOL..there is alot more to israel then you can imagine, maybe one day you’ll realize that

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Maybe.

          • doron

            🙂 would be fun i guaranty..maybe one day..who knows

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            between the jews and muslims???? for ur own sake dont even let me start on christianity!!! muslims, christians and jews are all shit but outta the three i wud favor muslims any day!

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Be my guest, have no fear.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS
          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Another useless link. Try looking up Barry humphries.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            so u deny the witch hunts, the persecutions of jews which u claim r no different from muslims in terms of violence? u also deny the crusaders, just to name 3 crimes agianst humanity? please dont waste my time!!!

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Crusaders was not a crime. Get over it. Anyway, we’re talking about TODAY, not history if you want to live in the past study history. If you want revenge prepare to suffer, I think it’s better to be accepting of everyone and stop killing each other or dictating peoples lives.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            yes israel shud accept the fact that palestine belongs to the palestinians,
            israel shud accept the fact that israel belongs to europe.
            the US shud stop killing ppl in the ME.
            the US shud stop backing terror groups like boko haram, al-qaeda and the IS which are killing in the ME.
            the US shud also stop dictating peoples lives like they do wid the people of the ME

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            you see, thats how you and Doron sound. Like a broken record the same tune over and over again. Its not my fault its his fault he doesnt like me, the same theme.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            k.

          • doron

            we are nothing like Muslims in terms of violence, never were.
            there was a time how ever where Islam was a cultural, scientific and intellectual world leader…that was long long time ago..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            exactly! u r lot worse than muslims in terms of violence

          • doron

            lol…based on what numbers??
            bring the numbers little one, lets run some facts instead of throuwing funny accusations into the air

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            hmmmmm what happens in gaza every day is a good example or do u really hand out roses there?

          • doron

            hmmm…. i want you to admit that Gaza is nothing in compare to other events in ME.
            i want you to face the truth that the numbers of dead Arabs in all of Israeli military actions ever is less then 20k, over a span of 50 years ,which equals the amount of people that died in Syria alone in the last 1-2 months.
            i want to go with you through all events of mass murder accusations ever presented against muslims & against Jews and compare the numbers and the ways the killings ocured.
            and finally I want you to produce numbers ,otherwise you’re only taunting ,which is the weapon of the fools and those who know they are wrong

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            muslims saved the jews on several occasions, dude and now u make up for that by handing out roses in palestine, syria, iraq, egypt, lebanon, ksa, iran, pakistan, afghanistan and u name it

          • 5thDrawer

            (sometimes I see why we are not the ones running countries … or political systems.)

          • doron

            and now they’re killing them dude….
            farsi king saved Jews long time ago, does it mean your people are our friends now??
            Huge Brain you got there lol…

          • Hind Abyad

            Innocent Jews who pay for the Satanic Pharisee..

          • MekensehParty

            Just as his brain starts functioning and makes him write “Muslims Christians and Jews are all shit” the Mahdi brainwashing istaghfarallah kicks in and makes him add the stupidest most contradictory statement “but outta the three I wud favor Muslims any day!”
            Irani, your intellectual level is maybe level cave1.02, and I’m being generous.
            Domestic animals have proven to have a more acute level of reasoning then you did throughout.
            But hey, the high pitch of the story is that your brain is functioning still and makes you see reality whether you like it or not. And the reality is that your bullshit religions are keeping you very close to the cave.

          • MekensehParty

            What a nuclear bomb!!!
            This is maybe my best post ever!
            I’m going to share it on Facebook!

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            who cares about u think anyways

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            the pharoes were not muslims

          • doron

            and they were really happy to let us go once they understood they can’t use us for slaves..or exterminate us.
            coresh was smart enough to understand that Jews are blessing (csersys or something you call him). the others just keep failing

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            the romans were not muslims

          • doron

            and not as smart as coresh either

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            the babylonians were not muslims

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Yes, None of those great cultures you mention we’re Moslem.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            and yet they hated the jews… if all great cultures hated the jews and the western culture doesnt, what does it tell us about the western one?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            They are over hating?

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            it isnt possible to over hate a cancer like israel

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Fair enough.

          • doron

            where does it say the Babilonian “hated: the jews ?
            or the greek or the assirians or the romans or persians?
            all were building empires and the location is important.
            to imply it drives from hate is exactly what i would expect from a propaganda machine :))

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            so they didnt hate u?

          • doron

            you’re ASKING????
            you spoke with such conviction i was interested in your proofs..turns out you do not even know what you’re talking about…i would never imagine….

          • 5thDrawer

            (now we’ll need to learn to read different heiroglyphics … damn …)

          • doron

            Google translate doesn’t work there.. 🙁

          • Hind Abyad

            There were no Zionists THEN..but there was the perverted Talmud that teaches: Don”t come in aid of gentiles, spilling their blood is like offering a sacrifice to God.

          • doron

            never read that and risk my neck betting everything it is not true :)))
            it is not something from talmud or out of context :)))))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Doron, ive read very similar teachings and a lot worse from the Talmud. Things that make Isis look like angels. Am i mistaken?

          • doron

            i dare say you do , but if you do have such teachings ,i’ll be happy to look at it, it could be a fake or out of context, either way i’d like to look at it

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I hope they are fake, and trust me one may read a passage or two and interpret them out of context but please to interpret the lot out of context is stretching it a little. Again if they are fake I would like you to dispute them.

          • doron

            thats why I ask for those pages.M.
            I’m not a hard core religious Jew but i had to read few Talmud pages and never encountered or heard of pages like you say, before i got to this site.
            post a link to it please, i’ll try my best to give a real pic of what is said there and i give you my word i will not try to evade hard topic or admit my mistake if it turns out to be that i am

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I dont enjoy doing homework, but i will get back to you when I get a chance.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Article II. – What the Talmud Teaches About Christians

            In the preceding chapter we saw what the Jews think of the Founder of the Christian religion, and how much they despise his name. This being so, it would not be expected that they would have any better opinion about those who follow Jesus the Nazarene. In fact, nothing more abominable can be imagined than what they have to say about Christians. They say that they are idolaters, the worst kind of people, much worse than the Turks, murderers, fornicators, impure animals, like dirt, unworthy to be called men, beasts in human form, worthy of the name of beasts, cows, asses, pigs, dogs, worse than dogs; that they propagate after the manner of beasts, that they have diabolic origin, that their souls come from the devil and return to the devil in hell after death; and that even the body of a dead Christian is nothing different from that of an animal.
            8. THEY DIFFER ONLY IN FORM FROM BEASTS
            In Midrasch Talpioth (fol. 225d) it says:
            “God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him.”
            We can quote here also what is said in Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a:
            “If pigs are to be pitied when they suffer from disease, because their intestines are similar to ours, how much more should the Akum be pitied when thus affected.”

          • doron

            first:
            Medrish Talpiot is a non-authoritative work that was done long after the Talmud. it can’t be part of it.actually i couldn’t find the origin

            posting here a link to where i found the info. it comes to clear some confusions about those remarks.

            again, i have to stress- the quotes you posted are not common knowledge in Israel, i only heard it today

            http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/31053/is-this-really-in-the-talmud

          • Hind Abyad

            You never looked at It? What a think tank..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Maybe he is avoiding a hard topic? Who knows but these teachings are strictly sourced from expert sore losers who are still waiting for their messiah to come on a war chariot ready to conquer the world, not the Humble Messiah who came on a donkey, but in reality the poor buggers missed the WORD because they are deaf, dumb and blind applying all their limited intelligence against the infinite wisdom of the TRUTH. I couldn’t be happier that I’m a goim or a Nazarene, or a beast or whatever at least I’m not Deaf, dumb & blind.

          • Hind Abyad

            I always wondered about what message they were expecting, they were offended Jesus was Humble..
            They imagined the Messiah rich and powerful, coming out
            of the blue sky on gold dust clouds, escorted by an army of gold swords, followed by goyim cattle..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            That’s exactly right, they even put aside the Torah incase the people see the Truth, and they promote the Talmud a compilation of contradictory teachings from specialised scandalisers to keep their people away from the Truth. But one day the Truth will return and they will realise that they have been scandalised by their proud pharisees etc

          • Hind Abyad

            I think they promote the Talmud exclusively between the Rabbi’s settlers followers
            of Pharisee cult, they keep it secret. Zionists are not religious but they use these crazy to spread terror, as another army to colonize.
            It’s in the Jewish Encyclopedia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqWK6IyBrbA

          • doron

            even if it’s true,which is probably not, we do not live by this ,not know of it so it’s i-relevant 😉 on the contrary, if we take Christians for example- the Jews in Israel protect them from the Muslim Arabs.
            think this through with your think tank, try not to over heat the engine when you’re confronting this paradox

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You protect Christians from moslems in
            Israel? Is that why they are the only ones not allowed in the IDF? A druze and a moslem may join to a certain level ofcourse but no Christian is permitted. Not that we want to just making a point.

          • doron

            Christians are not allowed in IDF? double check your sources.
            IDF service is mandatory to Jews but Voluntarily for Christians.
            you are wrong and misleading.it’s the Muslim Arabs who object and threaten Christians who join the IDF

            http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24582/Default.aspx?archive=article_title

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            ok im not going to insist on its accuracy but I did read it somewhere.

          • doron

            there are plenty of lies circulating the web about Israel, especially on sites like this one.
            it’s very easy to cross reference info and find out what is right and what is wrong.
            it’s like believing we use christian blood for Passover..ridiculous, unheard of and yet common among Haters.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Ive heard that one as well, remember where there is smoke there is fire. If i had the time to investigate that one i would, not to belittle you guys just curiosities.

          • doron

            well, i would investigate first and only afterwards post my claims, unfortunately, history tells that when dealing with Israel, people first claim and then treat the claim itself as proof

          • Hind Abyad
          • doron

            where is the lie?
            where does it say Christians are not entitled to serve in the army?!?!?!…
            please return to me before your famous “i’m not feeling well, i’ll replay when i get better” replay makes you evaporate again…

          • Hind Abyad

            Your brain is evaporating, -Liars and manipulators- was how Palestinian Christians are treated in Israel-. If care to concentrate..- “Christians are not entitled to serve in the army”,
            was Malborlz.
            http://972mag.com/anti-christian-graffiti-sprayed-on-church-in-destroyed-galilee-village-of-birem/63190/

          • doron

            for the god knows how many times- palistinians are treated as palistinians, israelis as israelis. not to mention your precious palis kick the Christians out of the holly land, same as their brothers are doing in Iraq & Syria..
            yep..Israel is the only ME place where Christians rights are protected.
            those hate sites you’re addicted to can’t admit that or the haters will stop logging in..

          • Hind Abyad

            Father Nadaf is not Palestinian he’s Greek, he has no right telling Palestinians what to do.

          • doron

            he lives in israel?
            he is christian?
            he has followers??
            he speaks for them.
            unless the law say that only people hind approved are allowed to voice their opinion?

          • Hind Abyad

            No, Netanyahu government wants Palestinian Christians in the IDF (to kill fellow Palestinians), introduced a law that say’s Palestinian Christians are not Arabs, they found them an identity: “Arameans”..That country is a mad house. This is a list of Settlers price tags attacks.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks

          • Hind Abyad

            Dear doron, it’s time you read the Talmud 🙂

          • doron

            Dear hind, it’s time you do

          • Hind Abyad

            Judaism’s arcane texts secretly admit that the Talmud is not of Moses, rather it is “where Moses is buried.” —Tikkunei Zohar 1:27.

            In BT Menachot 29b, the rabbis claim that God transported Moses into the future, to the yeshiva of the second-century Rabbi Akiva. Moses is depicted as sitting at the back of the class, listening to the day’s lesson, which is on the Mosaic law. Yet Moses can’t understand the teaching that is being imparted by Rabbi Akiva! Here the Gemara itself is admitting that Talmudic Judaism had so diluted and distorted the Pentateuch with rabbinic traditions that Moses himself no longer recognized the teaching ascribed to him.

            When faced with the claim by the rabbis of their supposed “Torah” faith, Christians ought to ask them, “To which ‘Torah are you loyal, rabbi? According to Jesus Christ, one cannot be loyal to both the Oral “Torah” of man and the Scriptural Torah of God (Mark 7:9).

            Jesus told the Pharisees they were the sons of those who killed the prophets and were witnesses against themselves in this regard (Matthew 23:31).

            It is written in the Babylonian Talmud of Pharisaic Judaism that the prophet Isaiah was justifiably killed for stating that the Israelites had unclean lips.

            About Noah, the Holy Bible teaches: Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. (Genesis 6:9).

            The Talmud falsely interprets the phrase “in his generation” to mean that in any other generation Noah would not be holy or significant: “Noah was only righteous in his generation; had he lived in the generation of Abraham, he would not have been considered significant at all.” [B.T. Sanhedrin 108a]

            In Hebrew “blameless” denotes without flaw. Noah is a precursor of Abraham, not less than Abraham. What is required of Noah, God also requires of Abraham: to walk before Him and be blameless. The Talmud is wrong to denigrate Noah. And it gets worse. The rabbinic Midrash declares that no good was found in Noah (Midrash Rabbah: Genesis I [Soncino 1983, vol. 1], p. 289). This Midrash also teaches that Noah was an alcoholic who was castrated when he was on his way to have coitus. (Midrash Rabbah: Genesis I [Soncino 1983, vol. 1], pp. 290-291; 293). These texts give evidence for the fact that Judaism’s “Noahide Laws” are not a reference to the Biblical Noah, despite public dissimulation to the contrary. Judaism’s misnamed “Noahide Laws” are a Talmudic subterfuge. They are not of Noah or the Old Testament.

            A typical example of Talmudic nonsense about Biblical patriarchs concerns King Solomon and the sacred Temple. Who could believe such rubbish about King Solomon and God’s Temple except the self-deluding denizens of the synagogue? The Babylonian Talmud teaches that “hobgoblins” (mischievous devils) helped to build the Temple, and that King Solomon was succeeded as King of Israel not by Rehoboam as the Bible says, but by Ashmodeus, the king of the demons, as the Talmud says.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Looks like Benjamin has proven that he comes from the line of ashmodeus, according to his actions.

          • Hind Abyad

            It’s said “he shall ravin like a wolf”..

          • Hind Abyad

            you talk too much for nothing.. risking nothing..

          • guest

            Look who is saying that, Ms. Quiet herself. Doron better be quiet now!

          • Hind Abyad

            You mean D-doron the Countessa herself.

          • guest

            We thought it was you. Let doron himself clarify.

          • Hind Abyad

            It’s done, your need to intrude to get attention is hilarious.

          • guest

            Are you talking about you!? How are you today? Pls continue with your new fabricated lies and one sided daily garbage. People are waiting.

          • doron

            don’t interupt her…
            she believes she is reaching a point she is trying to prove
            :)))

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            thank u for backing me :))))

          • doron

            hey… I’m here for you

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            thank u

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Am I seeing things or are you guys being nice to eah other? Bravo

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i’m always nice

          • Hind Abyad

            He’s not a she..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            it doesnt upset me bcos even if i was a 7aywan i wud be more worth than an israeli

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Sounds like one.

          • 5thDrawer

            We’re all in this together. :-))))
            Scotch, anyone?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Intravenous bleaze.

          • doron

            and they did not go after jews only but built their epire and Cnaan was in the way..there are no Babilonians today but israel is here

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            yes once they were all great but r no longer here. but israel on the other hand will be here for ever just bcos its here today

          • doron

            might be , might not be :))
            but looking at statistics..we got 100% success in survival while all the great ones long gone…i know on who i would bet

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            statistics tells us that every nation will fall be it the romans or the israelis

          • doron

            or the farsi

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            keep in mind that iran is the oldest country in the world.

          • doron

            more the reason to believe it’s time has come to clear the stage 🙂
            and i beg the difference, the opinions among scholars are divided between china & Japan.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            well a lot of scholars also believe that europeans “discovered” the americas

          • doron

            and we have their word Vs erdogan to chose from :))))
            who would you believe, Huge Brain?

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i pick erdogan bcos he is anti-israeli

          • doron

            lol..i would be shocked if you went with him for cause of the logic inhis words hahahaha…

          • Hind Abyad
          • Hind Abyad

            not really, there’s a PARC in Israel named in honour of Ataturk, Jabotinsky was editor in chief of The Young Turks paper

          • Hind Abyad

            “Turkey historical revisionism..” Erdogan-Ataturk is like Menahem Begin-Jabotinsky, if you know what i mean…
            http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/11/turkey-historical-revisionism-ataturk-erdogan.html

          • 5thDrawer

            And that’s because the ‘original tribes’ in Africa couldn’t figure out how to make a country – or didn’t need to, since clothes were not needed against the weather. :-)))
            Shoot an arrow – food falls from a tree. Great place to live. ;-))

          • Hind Abyad

            You survive by plotting sectarian Wars between peoples, knowing you’re creating revenge and terrorism.. You can’t survive without terrorism, the only way to get aid weapons (to defend yourselves), Peace is not good for business

          • doron

            no..thats the only way you can picture survival

          • Hind Abyad

            I’m not Israeli.

          • guest

            Everyone thought you were or want to pretend that you are not like the “christian” pretending game. It doesn’t matter anyways if you are a Shi* or a zionist both are the same and bring only destruction. Happy trolling anyways.
            Hail ASS ad, Shi*, Iran, Halesh/Daesh, Nasty, zionist, etc.!
            Hope that made you happy!

          • Hind Abyad

            go see if i’m on other sites crazy saladfists..

          • guest

            Who? What crazy Saladfists? Please make some sense once in your biased hate filled life?

          • Hind Abyad

            I admit i don’t like Saladfists and other butchering takfiries

          • guest

            Who? You mean the Daesh which you Shits create to disrupt the peace of the world!?

          • Anti ISIS

            What would make most of us happy is if you do something about that putrid smell you piece of khara.

          • guest

            Keep Shitting….blah blah blah….WOMBAT!

          • Watch Dog

            I have read your posts .you are a bitter woman full of hate..You are a terrorist of the worst kind..I bet you live alone over weight .Uneducated brain washed by some over bearing father who is also ful of hate..Mohammad will send you to hell with 74 virgins….

          • Anti ISIS

            The second name you use speaks for itself.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            pardon her for not being brainwashed by ur kind of terrorists. Israel will send u a pay check for that comment

          • 5thDrawer

            (remind him the number is 72. Last we checked there was no interest gained on it.)

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            thats the difference between mohammad and israel, while mohammad pays with virgins, the israelis pay $3k.

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes Malmequer..
            BTW you look like a sand nigger..as for the rest, as you know i am Christian remember?

          • guest

            Forgive him, he didn’t know.

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes but he didn’t like it, (Guest anonymous)hhhhh

          • guest

            They all like you and your continuous chatter, poor them.
            Seems nowadays you are publishing stories about Zionist. How about them angel Shi*s? Don’t let them feel left out!

          • Hind Abyad

            Manjoo Shi*spam is baaack….

          • guest

            Who? You and your hallucinations. Seems you miss n want him bad. Hmmmm

          • Hind Abyad

            I didn’t ask you to come here so shut your big Guest mouth.

          • guest

            Did anyone asked you to open your big Shi* mouth!? When you or your likes quit spamming, trolling, intruding, and passing biased hate filled rhetoric’s then come back and request. Until then keep all your ….. SHUT!

          • Hind Abyad

            shhhh.. then carry on intruding i never address you..

          • guest

            Yawnnnn….everyone heard that Shit from you a zillion times. Please carry on with your biased mindless spamming, trolling, and of course intruding.

          • Hind Abyad

            carry on intruding, merry go round spm..

          • guest

            You tired already!? Oh no stories to publish and spam.

          • guest

            You always get confused with people!? Did that Stupidity bug bit you too like it did to your nasty, ayatoilets, shi*s, Iran, daesh/Halesh, etc.!?

          • Hind Abyad

            Never..stop hiding.

          • guest

            We all wonder that about you!

          • guest

            Psssst she is a pretend Christian, forgot!?
            Female ones?

          • Hind Abyad

            Pssst Salafist..i’m a Melkite with 7 Maronite cousins in Beyrouth, go visit, tell them that if you’re a man..

          • guest

            Who? Oh now people are really scared, imagine you and them trolling at the same time.
            BTW, why only 7!? Is one of them Aoun!?
            Oh you need love as its obvious you seem disgruntled and unhappy.
            Sure everyone would love to have a chat with them to know why you are the way you are but you need to provide their real address with photos first as Beirut is not tiny like your brain.

          • Hind Abyad

            Give your address, I’m sure you’re not “really scared”.
            Ashrafieh is easy ..

          • guest

            Why should one be but as you bragged and initiated, you need to provide all the info along with photos! Are you!?

          • Hind Abyad

            :))) with Zionists It won’t be forever.
            God is watching their depravity.

          • 5thDrawer

            (‘Population Vaccuum? Why do ‘people’ continue to think we need MORE??)
            (Is it really ALL about ‘Big Business??’)

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You guys really do share a lot of similarities, and you might want to check your facts Doron, Jews are not as popular as you think. Remember this where there is smoke there usually is fire.

          • doron

            i can only speak for myself- never run into any problems in Europe and from talks i have /had i get the impression that European are very concerned by this foreign invasion.
            as for the under appreciated rioting- refresh my memory when was the last time Jews riot in Europe?

          • Hind Abyad
          • doron
          • Hind Abyad

            What vigilantes? Riots in Paris.

            Palestinians and other civilians were demonstrating against Gaza bombardments, the ADL started havoc violently attacking the demonstrators, nobody was attacking Jews.

            http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/After-anti-Semitic-riots-France-wants-to-outlaw-the-Jewish-Defense-League-369638

          • doron

            and the rest of what i posted ? :))
            keep in mind it’s seperate events from different years, the city is flooded with muslim imigrants and the mentality rules

          • Hind Abyad

            France has as many Jews as Moslems..flooded because the Rothschilds are destroying the Middle East for business..in 2009 Netanyahu sold oil and gas security shares to Murdoch and Rothschild in the Golan Heights, hoping Assad will be gone and Syria will be shared between friendly allies.

          • doron

            Oh my…will we ever see a day when you actually CHECK BEFORE YOU COMMENT???lol my money is on NEVER :)))
            480,000 jews in France and the numbers are declining , they are running away.

            on the other hand, here are the numbers of muslims in france including the place of origin:
            Algeria1,550,000
            Morocco1,000,000
            Tunisia350,000
            Turkey315,000
            Sub-Saharan Africa250,000
            Middle East100,000
            remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh)100,000
            Converts40,000
            illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation350,000
            Other100,000
            Total 4,155,000

            feeling dumb already or should we go on?

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            immigration is the most natural thing on earth, when life is hard some where u seek to go to somewhere else to make a better life for urself.
            unfortunately immigrants of all kinds dont always comply to “my house, my rules” just like the europeans didnt in the americas, africa, asia, australia and the middle east once they “discovered” those areas thousands of yrs after everybody else.
            in that perspective muslims r angels as they didnt wipe out the native populations.
            please dont get me wrong, as i implied i’m not denying that muslims cause problems but judging objectively by the historical events, muslims r way better than the europeans not to mention the jews!
            the fact that i need to explain this to u perfectly shows how small ur brain is.

          • doron

            then why are the Arabs blocking Palestinian migration for 70 years now?
            why is a Jewish immigration to Israel is wrong and Muslim immigration to Europe is fine??I mean, besides the fact that one benefits your people and the other is not?? lol..small brains indeed…

            try to get that lone cell in your huge brain working and explain this to me

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i explained that already. bcos muslims in europe dont occupy those countries as the jews do in the ME. this piece of informations is too large for ur brain to let in

          • doron

            yes they do, there are whole towns where you live now that Europian don’t enter.
            Scandinavian rape cases (you live there right?) by Arabs
            In England, the BDL gains more and more supporters by the day.
            in Switzerland they ban the mini rates- European had enough of you, It will show more clearly in the years to come, better work on your Farsi little one- your going home for the Crazy Mullahs :))

            again, it’s ok because it’s good for you, your mind is blocked to impartiality.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            no they do not. i dont see any arab country emerge outta the blue in scandinavia like the jewish country did in the ME.
            for ur information western europeans actually dislike immigrants from the eastern europe more bcos immigration from that region has been increasing over the past few yrs.
            apart from that i cud care less about the european stand on muslims. just bcos they hate muslims doesnt mean i hate israel any less and if they were to stop hating muslims i wudnt stop hating israel for that reason. i will be anti israel until the day they move back to europe where the israelis belong.
            the european countries cud kick out any and every middle easterner for all i care including myself as i speak farsi fluently. after all its their countries and its their call who they want there.
            likewise the ME is home to the middle easterners, and we dont want some european israelis in our region and one day we will kick u out. that may not come up soon. but one day in the future – and i dont care how far future that might be – we will kick u out. thats for certain!

          • doron

            i dont belong in europe, you know that , ant stll want me there, well i couldn’t care less about that either :)i’m staying here with the rest of israelis, building my country and you can’t do a thing about it 😉

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Nothing wrong with building your country, but you of all people should know the following rules relating to your governments practice of attaining land and resources, remember these ‘Thy Shall Not Steal’, ‘Thy Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbors House’, and ‘Thy Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbour’ sound familiar? Or have your leaders found loop holes to void God’s law. Anyway build your country and enjoy the due rewards cos whoever breaks the rules wont escape on that day.

          • doron

            some people need to accept a certain truth and accept certain rules as well- Palestinians that ran before 1950 (most of the pali “refugies”) are not refugees by law, they are entitled to Lebanese nationality and it’s the only one that they are entitled to! set by law!
            on the one hand you preach me to accept the rules and on the other, you refuse to acknowledge them?
            how can you preach me when it’s you that holds back the process of integrating those people into their rightful place? (according to the law that is, if you can overlook the law, then we can do it as well,can’t we?)

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Why should we carry the burden of the people’s you guys displaced.

          • doron

            cause it’s what the law said.you can’t preach us to respect the law, while you don’t. even though it’s not a “pleasant” r
            i could very well ask, why should i take the burden of fixing the problems your governments deliberately neglected over the years?
            the issue would not (and did not) disappear over the years and now you wish we clean it up?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            it definitely is your mess, now see to it that you responsibly take care of the matter.

          • doron

            ..and that’s where things start to deteriorate :))it’s my fault cause you said so ? :)))) take a look in the mirror Mabrolz:
            failing to accept your responsibilities as they are written in the same law book which you claim I’m not following is hypocrisy. if you can’t follow your duties, what on earth makes you believe you can preach someone else??
            take care of your problems, give those stateless people the citizenship they deserve and go on with your life, we will never take them in, simply cause the International law say it’s Lebanon’s duty and not ours.
            you have only yourself to blame for putting Integration on hold for 70 years.
            set the dish- now you can eat it

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            They want to go back to their own country ya bheem. They have their ancestoral homes, land and honour. You cant make these facts dissapear for your or our convenience. Stop being a turd you eat the dish you set.

          • doron

            this arab habit of resorting to childish reactions when they face a dead end does not bring you any respect either..you whine and whine about Israel the criminal ,Israel the racict, israel the oppressor, yet the moment someone dares to mentions your obvious deviations of the law you pretend to respect, you resort to curses..well ,bheem you can call your first born….the one with the tail…

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            As long as my first born doesnt have horns we will be fine.

          • doron

            comes with the tail

          • doron

            it takes much much more then your opinion to make something someone else’s problem :)))
            perhaps this is the core of the problem with the 1948 displaced: Your opinion is i-relevant, canceled in the face of the law, the only ones who put their head in the sand and choose to ignore reality is you guys..till it dawns on you ,you’ll keep causing problems.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS
          • doron

            lol…was talking about the 1948 displaced..it has nothing to do with PA.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i dont care what u were talking about.

          • doron

            oh…broke my heart… :))
            An irani that can’t handle the truth..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            go learnt to spell before talking about the “truth” and “rickets”

          • doron

            stand here and face me instead of pointing out spelling.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            r u sure u r a jew? jews r usually educated

          • doron

            i don’t think it qualifies as education, more of practicing the language, but you are correct ,we are educated

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            dont include urself to the well educated jews.

          • doron

            offcourse not, i’m not a vain person.
            and the really smart Jews are really really smart, it’s an honor i don’t deserve

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            u did nothing to build the country that u occupy, but american tax payers did. a day will come where the americans get enufff of investing in baby killings.

          • doron

            we have everything to do with building it- we built it :)))) , maybe used american money but still we built it. it’s better ten the way Hamas is “building” his country, taking Iranian money and use it for rickets and tunnels.

          • Hind Abyad

            You build ugly high rise and condos, the most beautiful architecture was built by Palestinians, the Knesset belonged to a Palestinian family, villas such as that of Edward Said cost you Zero, other villas serve as Museum in Israel. Israel creates laws that suites them:
            “It is not stolen it is redeemed”, God is the real estate agent.. Zero pounds.. on top of it in 1948, as the JNF Director at the time said; ” and we put our hands on 5 million pounds in Palestinian Bank accounts..That’s only in Haifa..Thieves.

          • doron

            it’s called progress…sky scrapers are a testimony of greatness…
            since it’s the law that say Palestinian has no claim over Haifa- it makes you outlaws and criminals…would be thieves if you prefer
            Had Arabs followed the international law, there would be no refuges problems..but what is the law to an Arab unless it serves her?

          • Hind Abyad

            You created the laws, the British reserved Haifa area because it served as a port during the Mandate. .you never respond to anything.. did international law give you the right to loot they personal properties, they bank accounts? Like the German did with the Jews? .
            The ‘Arabs’ are Palestinian Arabs.. Zio Nazi.. name which international laws they didn’t follow on Nabka?

          • doron

            and then the dumb Arabs attacked the Jew reserved areas, failed and lost their areas too and the sour looser bitch around ever since…we all know history..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i dont know what “rickets” is

          • doron

            use your intuition if you got any

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            wiki explained it to me: Rickets is defective mineralization of bones before epiphyseal closure in immature mammals due to deficiency or impaired metabolism of vitamin D,[1]phosphorus orcalcium,[2] potentially leading to fractures and deformity. Rickets is among the most frequent childhood diseases in many developing countries. The predominant cause is a vitamin Ddeficiency, but lack of adequate calcium in the diet may also lead to rickets. but it has nothing to do wid hamas

          • doron

            i guess you don’t have any

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i had no idea u were a science geek

          • doron

            among other things

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            what other kind of geek r u?

          • doron

            i’m a history freak

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            so u do know that palestine dont belong to the european jews?

          • doron

            well history shows there was never a state called Palestine,but i’ll play along 😉
            are you aware that israel belongs to jews?

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            well nevertheless there wud be a state called palestine if u hadnt occupied the land that shud be palestine.

            no israel doesnt belong to the jews. there is no simpler fact than that

          • doron

            ohh…yo were right, Jews are more educated.
            so .. :))))
            there was nothing and then the Jews built their state and then Arabs got jealous and decided they want a state and that they will call it Balestine lol
            even you admit our country was here first and the leaches just followed the success story :))
            they can have their failed Balistin in Gaza and Judeah & someria (the real name of the WB )as long as they practice good neigbor policy, any other way, we’ll continue spanking their little tushes any time they try to harm us…the way the cookie crumbles..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            so before the european jews arrived there was nothing and nobody there? u mean like an outer space vacuum?

          • doron

            no, i mean there were jews constantly in the holy land since Christ’s days.in an unbroken chain.the numbers were small but Jews never left Israel
            the jews from all over the world, including Europe but mainly ME joined their brothers in their land

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            jews have always been there yes, but israel hasnt always been there and in future it wont either ;)))

          • doron

            well…let’s talk about it when a force strong enough to remove us will emerge…so far there is no one that comes close to that..

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i know that…

          • Hind Abyad

            Because they are robbed of their land they must not abandon their rights to help the terrorist fanatic crazy settlers.
            Explained to a small brain

          • doron

            was my home before and after they immigrated here, if they practice the law and live in peace we can have them here, and we will not go muslim on them , forcing them to pay a tax to practice their religion, nor will we force them to wear black coats and Yamuka when they go out to the street.
            A pin in a Huge Ego baloon

          • Hind Abyad

            zzzz

          • doron

            lol…how easly the law bores you when you chose to ignore it ..Hypocrite

          • Hind Abyad

            What’s boring is you. It was not Your home.. it was the’ land of Semitic people, before Judaism was invented.
            Your ego balloon is amusing (ridicule doesn’t kill)…

          • doron

            yes it i my land fool ,we were here before the arab migration. from all the old people that habitat it ,we’re the only ones still alive.
            i know you can’t handle this but really…who cares?

          • Hind Abyad

            What a great Scholar and Anthropologist. Canaan was the land of Semitic people before Judaism but after, a gigantic comet hit non-Judaic Semites, like the Dinosaurs they totally disappeared from the surface of the Earth.

            This is my land God gave it to me, we killed Jesus, we’re proud we killed Jesus. So stop whining.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IIR_sFjzBE

          • doron

            who is whining? lol
            let’s assume you are right, where are these people today?

          • 5thDrawer

            In a sense, you are right. When humans first walked out of that warm food basket we named Africa, they were okay until they walked into different natural elements. When they had to fight nature all the time to continue living, they became a little hard to get along with.
            The Middle East folks only needed a sheet against the sand, until they climbed Mt. Lebanon … the Germanic tribes had to fight for everything … And those poor Scots had to invent the greatest scotch to get by with.
            So, I think that the Arab/Jewish tribes had nothing much to do to be survivors – as long as they fished – so they had too much time to mess around with everyone’s minds.
            Everyone else was busy working against winter.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            i’m right in every sense

          • 5thDrawer

            Sometimes you need some ‘logic’ … running with only the senses is what gets us all in these stupid conflict situations. !!!

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            yir i agree, but please the european “logic” far away

          • 5thDrawer

            That’s your illogic … unless you’re a Mongolian Eskimo …

          • Hind Abyad

            But what sheet against the sand.. the Levant was a Paradise land, no one needed a sheet

          • 5thDrawer

            Well, I didn’t .. but why the hell are all the rest of them wearing one?? ;-)))

          • Hind Abyad

            They dress like in Jesus times.

          • guest

            Can you please elaborate, oh the only learned one who knows everything?

          • Hind Abyad

            ask someone else

          • guest

            I asked the best, you!

          • Hind Abyad

            sorry, not interested

          • guest

            Then don’t bother. If you do then expect a return favor.

          • Anti ISIS

            Are you still talking shit? I told you once and I’ll tell you again, please have a shower you smelly piece of shit.

          • guest

            You are not worth no one’s time you dumb Alawi piece of real SHIT. Keep telling yourself as no one listens to anything you say anyways. WOMBAT!

          • Anti ISIS

            Thank you my little piglet friend. Now go and enjoy some anal penetration like your God Omar did. Or better still, if you are a female, maybe you can go and join ISIS and breast feed them like Aisha did. Something you guys are so proud to admit.

          • guest

            Anytime, you mean what alawis and shits do to please ayatoilets and assume it as a great deed? You want more truth about your shitty cult!?
            The greatest of them in the recent times was khomeini and now we have nastyshit, khamenei ass ad, ….list is endless. Now carry on with your job, hope it will take you and your isis friends to your everlasting HELL.
            Wish you had some brains. Its always fun to play with your dumb ass.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Chill out guys, ill bet if you meet each other you would resbect each other. This blog makes it easy to loose resbect i know because i do the same but looking at it now it’s pretty lame and only helps creating more division. The differences between all of us is too big a task for us to resolve so i put my hand up to refrain from the insults. Peace brothers.

          • Anti ISIS

            Mab, you are 100%, however this piece of shit started with the insults.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Yeah ive done it too Anti let’s try and keep it interesting, a little smart arse never killed anyone its fun.

          • Anti ISIS

            Like i said to you before Mab, in good faith, a little bit of anything is fine. However this animal over does it. I’m only dishing out what IT dishers out. Like the piece of shit it is.

          • guest

            You dont like over dose of Truth!? Oh that makes shits like you angry. Oh pls dont cry or get so over sensitive. Why is it that you shits can’t take if anyone plays your own game on you? Its OK piece of shit you can cry as much you want. Its fun to see you that way, anyways. Don’t stop crying n venting like a piglet, you are. Keep dishing out shit, you animal with no brains. Lol
            BTW, if you can’t handle the truth which gets exposed then blame your higher shits. Don’t cry and vent on a peaceful messenger who is just trying to relay their message to the World.
            I know shits don’t like to get exposed, as they are super sensitive and like to keep misguiding the world with their deceptions, lies, and false propaganda.
            Relax oh sensitive Piglet, just enjoy the Truth filled ride!

          • Anti ISIS

            It seems the jihad el nikah you have been exposed to has polluted your pee wee brain. At least you will get the 72 male virgins your holy cleric has promised you.

          • guest

            Wish that animal understood what you said, little arse!

          • guest

            Oh crying….don’t like others to play your own shit game P O S… Relax piglet!

          • guest

            Look who’s talking! Lol do you even believe in what you said, biased little arse?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Keep it up what ever makes your day.

          • guest

            Don’t try to come up with SHIT as you are not worth anybody’s time. If you do then keep waiting for a REPLY. My dear alawi piglet SHIT.

          • Hind Abyad

            There he goes Again, good night :)))

          • guest

            Where you going, will miss your company dear!?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            If you read some of these coments you will get the sheets.

          • Hind Abyad

            Too bad dumb don’t feel dumper..
            All those countries (except Turkey) are France ex-colonies, as England immigrants are from ancient colonies they call “Commonwealth”.
            Zionists ADL provoke terrorists attacks in France and other European countries, to force Jew flee to Israel grab more land. US-Israel helped Neo-Nazi government Coup in Ukraine.. when they started to attack Jews, Israel said; they should come to Israel. I hope you Know IDF participated in the bloody Coup..

          • 5thDrawer

            And ‘all those countries’ should have stayed with the French model. 😉
            (always enjoyed French models … although some are too skinny)

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Wee wee

          • Hind Abyad

            all those French countries’ is my reply to doron, way up there, it makes no sense.

          • guest

            It’s in SPAM! Go fetch it.

          • Hind Abyad

            Drawer, my reply to doron on this subject is right above you..
            so what’s it doing 30 posts down YaLibnan, broche a foin?

          • 5thDrawer

            I don’t know … we reply to one line, but it ends up somewhere else of the list … something about a computer … probably the ‘time-stamp’ of the entry.

          • Hind Abyad

            You are a free loader, I’m sorry i can’t take such arrogance.. ouffff…

          • doron

            great, happy that you got to this conclusion freeloader..get out of my comments , you’re entertaining to a point but not beyond that 😉

          • 5thDrawer
          • MekensehParty

            They don’t know what they feel, and who wouldn’t in their condition?
            They have been lied to, brainwashed to believe a reality that doesn’t exist…
            And now that all of this is crumbling all they try and hold to is some legends of past glories.
            I wonder why Phoenicians on this website have not yet claimed that it was the Phoenicians who first discovered America…

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I thought they (phoenicians) did but was not sure, more importantly i dont care if they did or not. The ones with borlz claimed it, civilized it, created what it is today and the arabs are stiĺl riding camels and stoning their women to death.

          • doron

            Erdogan has ambitions…unfortunately for him, his economy policy pushed Turky to the brink of disaster, now he has nothing more to sell but past hollow memories and even hollower promises for a better future .

          • 5thDrawer

            ( rowing that far was left to the Vikings … 😉 )

          • vs
          • vs

            ܡܐܢܐ

            Aramaic

          • 5thDrawer

            Why not throw in some ‘EXTRA’ … seems old Erdy did. 😉
            (Interesting Take …. on an interesting … errr, pro-Christian … site.)
            “The Ottoman State was able to to maintain the entire region in unity and harmony. Now we all need to accept that above all“.
            The world according to Erdogan, needs to accept the Ottoman sovereignty to rule the entire Muslim world and more; not only Europe, but even the Americas was discovered by Muslims, therefore, it too belongs to Islam. As Shoebat.com revealed in the past, Erdogan now says that he wants to bring in a Shiite-Sunni unity:

            http://shoebat.com/2014/11/19/muslim-antichrist-just-given-important-shocking-speech-century/

            Love the map … wonder how the Italians managed to escape. :-)))

          • doron

            Shiite Sunni unity ? lol
            the guy supports IS & jahabat al nusra. striving for ottoman hegemony again…somehow i don’t see Shias answering to his call for unity.
            not to mention it’s the Sunni tribes that rebelled the ottoman empire in WWI..i really don’t see that Happening 🙂

          • Hind Abyad

            This is true, maybe the guy wants to be the new Laurence of Arabia and unite Arabs:))

        • TheUSequalsTheIS

          ergo the europeans are losers

          • MekensehParty

            The only looser here is yourself with your inferiority complex that you’re trying to compensate with legends.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Myths

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            try even harder than that

        • Hind Abyad

          Irani Angel is not a “D”!!

          • 5thDrawer

            xox

        • Hind Abyad

          Ismail Enver

          Ah, my brave Arabs! If I could only gather them in from all their desert ways, and arm them properly… But I fear it cannot be. They are drifting in by tens and scores, where I need hundreds and thousands.

          Quoted in “The American Review of Reviews” – Page 184 – by Albert Shaw – 1915
          PS. (Turks hated Arabs).

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          I think he enjoys the blue vein variety.

      • King david

        Join the discussion…And hammas hands out candy to Israel children.

        • TheUSequalsTheIS

          why wud anyone hand out candy to the children of those who occupy their country?

    • wargame1

      Arab Muslims indeed went to America many centuries before coulombs. Columbus went in the later time to find a route to India.Here is a youtube video link with some evidence
      /watch?v=OYadO06_dHU

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Whats the big deal, who cares, so what, give yourself a pat on the shoulder. Now, can you clean up the place where you originate from and stop being the laughing stock of the entire civilized world.

        • wargame1

          The Syrian rebel are cleaning the place which is made dirty by the Iranian majoos. Soon it will be cleaned. And Iran will be cleaned by those Iranian sponsored Daeshbags.

    • wargame1

      Dr. Jerald Dirks explains about the Muslims in America long before Columbus. Here is the youtube video link. There are 7 parts of this video. You may find it on youtube
      /watch?v=3a3NcVo2XsI

    • Hind Abyad

      The Guest house.

    • Hind Abyad

      Ismail Enver

      The Ottoman Empire should be cleaned up of the Armenians and the
      Lebanese. We have destroyed the former by the sword, we shall destroy
      the latter through starvation.

      Quoted in “The Evil 100” – Page 35 – by Martin Gilman Wolcott – Social Science – 2004.

    • MekensehParty

      Hot air
      Some moral to Islam, fine, congrats if they made it.

      • 5thDrawer

        Could use some hot air, Mekenseh … it’s -10C (17F) and we’re chopping wood.
        (wind-chill minuses another 15)
        I’m lining Libnan1 up however … hehehehe

        • MekensehParty

          brrrr
          nothing better than libnan1 farty poetry to warm the heart and soul in such a freezing weather

    • Hind Abyad

      .. that he wrote Khamlet and King Lier..

  • guest

    The old poem that most American school children recognize begins “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue…” Indeed, in the year 1492, Christopher Columbus (whose real name in Italian was Cristoforo Colombo) sailed across the Atlantic in the name of the Spanish crown and landed in the Caribbean part of North America. For hundreds of years, it has simply been accepted that Columbus was the first explorer to valiantly sail across the sea and “discover” the Americas. However, this theory no longer stands up to modern scholarship.

    It goes without saying that the first people to truly discover America were the ancestors of the Native Americans, who probably crossed into North America through Russia and Alaska about 12,000 years ago. Discussion of the “discovery” of the Americas by Europeans, Africans, or Asians is an insult to the history of it’s indigenous peoples. That said, the first daring souls to cross the Atlantic ocean by boat are important to know, and the theory of Columbus does no justice to their story.

    While the common knowledge about Columbus is that he lived in a time where everyone assumed the world was flat, this is clearly not the case. Ancient Greek scholars such as Aristotle and Pythagoras suggested that the earth was in fact, round. It was during the Muslim Golden Ages (c. 750-1100s) that advanced scholarship into the shape and size of the earth began. Contrary to what most people may believe, in those years, it was common understanding that the earth was not flat. The debate, instead, was about exactly how large the earth was. In the early 800s, the Abbasid Caliph al-Ma’mun assembled the brightest minds of the day (including al-Khawarizmi) in Baghdad who calculated the earth’s circumference and were off by only 4% of it’s actual size.

    Knowing that the earth was round, and knowing its size to a very good degree of accuracy (without the modern technology we have today), some intrepid Muslims must have attempted to go around the world, hundreds of years before Columbus. The proof of these voyages is in front of us, in black and white.

    The great Muslim historian and geographer, Abu al-Hasan al-Masudi wrote in 956 of a voyage in 889 from al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The voyage sailed for months westward. They eventually found a large landmass across the ocean where they traded with the natives, and then returned to Europe. Al-Masudi records this land across the ocean in his famous map and refers to it as “the unknown land”.

    Two more voyages from Muslim Spain to the Americas are recorded in history. One was in 999 and was led by Ibn Farrukh, from Granada. The other is recorded by the genius mind of the geographer al-Idrisi, who worked in the multi-cultural and religiously tolerant Sicily of King Roger II in the 1100s. He wrote of a group of Muslims who sailed west from Lisbon for 31 days and landed on an island in the Caribbean. They were taken prisoner by the Native Americans on that island for a few days. Eventually, they were freed when a translator who lived among the natives that spoke Arabic arranged for their release. They eventually sailed back to al-Andalus and told their tale. The important part of this account is the existence of an Arabic speaker among the natives, indicating that there must have been more unrecorded contact between the Arab world and the Americas.

    West Africa
    There is another part of the Muslim world that had contact with the Americas before Columbus. In West Africa in the 1300s, a powerful and incredibly wealthy empire called Mali existed. The most famous leader of this empire was Mansa (king) Musa. The most memorable event of his reign was his epic hajj journey in 1324. The caravan of over 60,000 people made an impression everywhere they went, including Egypt, where Mansa Musa told the story of how he came to power. His brother, Abu Bakr was the Mansa before he was. During his reign, Abu Bakr sent a fleet of 400 ships to explore the Atlantic Ocean. Only 1 ship returned, but reported that they found a land across the ocean. Mansa Abu Bakr then outfitted a fleet of 2000 ships, which he sailed with personally, that sailed west into the ocean. They were never heard from again.

    While there is no record in Mali of the result of that voyage, there is evidence of their arrival in the Americas. There are numerous archaeological sites in North and South America that attest to that Malian presence. Early Spanish explorers and pirates recorded abandoned cities in Brazil that had inscriptions identical to the language of the Mandinka (the people of Mali). More inscriptions in the Mandinka language were found in the United States as well. Near the Mississippi River, many inscriptions exist that recorded their exploration of the Americas. In Arizona, an inscription was found that reads “The elephants are sick and angry. At present there are many sick elephants”. This inscription also includes a rough sketch of an elephant. Elephants are not native to the Americas. They were brought by the Mandinka to the Americas, and the inscriptions are proof of Mansa Abu Bakr’s successful journey over 100 years before Columbus.

    The Ottoman Empire
    In 1929, an amazing discovery was made in Istanbul, Turkey. A map drawn in the year 1513 by the Ottoman cartographer, Piri Reis was found. Reis wrote that his map was based on earlier sources, including ancient Greek and Arabic maps, including maps by Christopher Columbus, who had sailed only 21 years earlier. What is remarkable about this map is the level of detail of the map, which forced historians to re-evaluate the Columbus theory of exploration.

    The Piri Reis map of 1513

    The map clearly shows the eastern coast of South America, which is in the correct position with regards to Africa. The coast of Brazil is shown in incredible detail, with many rivers accurately placed on the map. Although Reis used Columbus’s maps as a source, Columbus never went to South America, so Reis must have gotten that from earlier Muslim maps that he used as sources. Furthermore, Reis’s map includes the Andes Mountains, which were not even explored by Europeans until the 1520s, a full decade after the drawing of Reis’s map!

    Piri Reis based his map on earlier sources, which clearly had a very good understanding of the Americas and had explored the area well before the first Europeans. The map is perhaps the strongest physical evidence of Muslim exploration of the Americas before Columbus

    What Did Columbus Say?
    With all of this evidence of Muslim exploration before Columbus’s voyage in 1492, is it possible that Columbus himself knew he was not the first? It’s more than likely to be the case. Columbus sailed from Spain in the same year the last Muslim dynasty of Iberia was destroyed in the Reconquista. Many of the people of Iberia were still Muslims, and carried with them the knowledge of the Muslim Golden Ages. Numerous people on Columbus’s voyage were Moriscos, Muslims who were forced to convert to Catholicism or die. Columbus could have heard from Spain’s Muslims of the New World and was thus inspired to go exploring.

    Once he got to the Americas, Columbus records numerous examples of Muslims already present. He commented on the gold that the natives had, which was made the same way, in the same alloy, as the Muslims of West Africa did. Furthermore, Columbus records that the native word in that area for gold is guanin, which is very similar to the Mandinka word for gold, ghanin, which probably comes from the Arabic word for wealth, ghina’.

    In 1498, Columbus recorded seeing a ship loaded with goods, heading towards America, filled with Africans who were probably on their way to trade with Native Americans. Columbus also records in his journal that Native Americans told him of black Africans who came regularly to trade with them.

    Even Columbus knew that he was not the first to cross the Atlantic Ocean.

    Conclusions
    Clearly, the theory that Columbus discovered America is nothing but an old tale that has not stood the test of time. There is no doubt that the Columbian Era was a pivotal time in world history that changed the way of life in the Americas and Europe forever. However, he was not the first to make the crossing to the Americas. Evidence exists from the Arabs, West Africans, and Ottomans of Muslim voyages to the Americas well before Columbus and Christian Europe. For whatever reason, the textbooks continue to extoll the voyage of Columbus and the courage of his crew, the “first” to make it across the Atlantic. This idea clearly needs to be re-examined in light of evidence from earlier Muslim explorations, to bring their contributions to the general public.

    • 5thDrawer

      Being schoolchildren, we changed it to ….
      “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue… he lost his gun and shot his bum, in 1942.”
      (possibly related to farts in a wind-storm …)
      And here we have some farts in the windstorms of history. :-))
      YES, navigators looked at all the maps they could get their hands on … usually seeking treasures of imaginations which lived under ‘belief’ assumptions and ‘old wives tales’ …. popular among the ancients of the world. And some of those tales had bits of truth in them.
      The Portuguese, for instance, were great navigators and sailors too. Anyone find Japan yet?
      There were suspicions that the world was actually sort of round … but some were prevented from saying so, largely thanks to ‘the religious’ who preferred their fairy tales. Who prevented THAT in the ‘Muslim’ worlds?? Who shut them up about their ‘contributions’ to exploring a planet??? WHO ‘reversed’ the flow of knowledge to humankind about nature and it’s wonders and the existence of a blue dot in a universe??
      Religions.
      When Thor Heyerdahl in his 1947 expedition across the Pacific Ocean from South America to the Polynesian islands, constructed the raft out of balsa logs and other native materials, in an indigenous style as recorded in illustrations by Spanish conquistadores …. and showed a ‘possibility’ of the movement of peoples on the planet … he was USING past information. WHY NOT ????
      And why not assume some could have ‘gone before’ ? PERHAPS, even to another planet.?

      • Hind Abyad

        Rosetta is on Mars (if it wasn’t for Rosetta Stone why they called it that name :))

        • 5thDrawer

          Actually, I think they were saying they were ‘stoned’, but someone translated badly. Again.
          😉

          • Hind Abyad

            They were Stone, or they were stoned, on Mars?
            You know the Rosetta stone? I saw it in Britsh Museum (everything there is looted), you kow that…

          • 5thDrawer

            And damn good thing, or the Taliban would have blown it up and re-invented history.
            (stole it from the French 😉
            But I thought you were talking about the language-lessons of same name.
            ($500 and a little time with the programme, and you can order scotch in any language)
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone
            or ….
            http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/t/the_rosetta_stone.aspx

            We can see humans had developed to this ‘one god’ point, at least. :-))))
            “The list of good deeds done by the king for the temples, hints at the way in which the support of the priests was ensured.”

          • Hind Abyad

            The English stole it from the French, it comes from Rashidieh in Egypt, too bad they destroyed Syria historic monuments by proxies…

  • nagy_michael2

    I doubt it because the Monkey is referring to Turks as discovered America. One reason its not because wherever the Turks went, they destroyed. so I highly doubt it they discovered because we never heard anything they burned as they did to Lebanon when they armed the Muslims and disarmed the christians and incited them and got many christians killed. And the Ottman Empire burned and destroyed the arabic culture in its entirety. so if Turks discovered America why didn’t they burn it? isn’t it their motto.. conquer and destroy like Bashar and Nassrallah?

  • guest

    Numerous evidence suggests that Muslims from Spain and West Africa arrived in the Americas at least five centuries before Columbus. It is recorded, for example that in the mid-tenth century during the rule of the Umayed Caliph Abdul-Rahman III (929-961), Muslims of African origin sailed westward from the Spanish port of Delba (Palos) into the “Ocean of darkness an fog.” They returned after a long absence with much booty from a “strange and curious land.” It is evident that people of Muslim origin are known to have accompanied Columbus and subsequent Spanish explorers to the New World.

    The last Muslim stronghold in Spain, Granada, fell to the Christians in 1492 CE, just before the Spanish inquisition was launched. To escape persecution, many non-Christians fled or embraced Catholicism. At least two documents imply the presence of Muslims in Spanish America before 1550 CE. Despite the fact that a decree issued in 1539 CE, by Charles V, King of Spain, forbade the grandsons of Muslims who had been burned at the stake to migrate to the West Indies. This decree was ratified in 1543 CE, and an order for the expulsion of all Muslims from overseas Spanish territories was subsequently published. Many references on the Muslim arrival in the Americas are available. They are summarized in the following notes:

    Historic Documents

    l. A Muslim historian and geographer Abul-Hassan Ali Ibn Al-Hussain Al-Masudi (871 – 957 CE) wrote in his book ‘Muruj Adh-dhahab wa Maadin al-Jawhar’ (The Meadows of Gold and Quarries of Jewels) that during the rule of the Muslim Caliph of Spain Abdullah Ibn Muhammad (888 – 912 CE), a Muslim navigator Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad of Cordoba, Spain sailed from Delba (Palos) in 889 CE, crossed the Atlantic, reached an unknown territory (Ard Majhoola) and returned with fabulous treasures. In Al-Masudi’s map of the world there is a large area in the ocean of darkness and fog (the Atlantic ocean) which he referred to as the unknown territory (the Americas).

    2. A Muslim historian Abu Bakr Ibn Umar Al-Gutiyya narrated that during the reign of the Muslim Caliph of Spain, Hisham II (976 -1009 CE), another Muslim navigator Ibn Farrukh of Granada sailed from Kadesh (February 999 CE) into the Atlantic, landed in Gando (Great Canary Islands) visiting King Guanariga, and continued westward where he saw and named two islands, Capraria and Pluitana. He arrived back in Spain in May 999 CE.

    3. Columbus sailed from Palos (Delba), Spain. He was bound for Gomera (Canary Islands) – Gomera is an Arabic word meaning ‘small firebrand’ – there he fell in love with Beatriz Bobadilla, daughter of the first captain General of the island (the family name Bobadilla is derived from the Arab Islamic name Abouabdilla). Nevertheless, the Bobadilla clan was not easy to ignore. Another Bobadilla (Francisco), later as the royal commissioner, put Columbus in chains and transferred him from Santo Domingo back to Spain (November 1500 CE). The Bobadilla family was related to Abbadid dynasty of Seville (1031 -1091 CE).

    On October 12, 1492 CE, Columbus landed on a little island in the Bahamas that was called Guanahani by the natives. Renamed San Salvador by Columbus, Guanahani is derived from Mandinka and modified Arabic words. Guana (Ikhwana) means ‘brothers’ and Hani is an Arabic name. Therefore the original name of the island was ‘Hani Brothers.’ [Click here for corrupted names of Arabic origin, such as those starting with Guad-, al-, Medina and others.]

    Ferdinand Columbus, the son of Christopher, wrote about the blacks seen by his father in Honduras: “The people who live farther east of Pointe Cavinas, as far as Cape Gracios a Dios, are almost black in color.” At the same time in this very same region, lived a tribe of Muslim natives known as Almamy. In Mandinka and Arabic languages Almamy was the designation of “Al-Imam” or “Al-Imamu,” the person who leads the Prayer, or in some cases, the chief of the community, and/or a member of the Imami Muslim community.

    4. A renowned American historian and linguist Leo Weiner of Harvard University, in his book Africa and The Discovery of America (1920) wrote that Columbus was well aware of the Mandinka presence in the New World and that the West African Muslims had spread throughout the Caribbean, Central, South and North American territories, including Canada, where they were trading and intermarrying with the Iroquois and Algonquin Indians….

    5. A Muslim historian ABU BAKR IBN UMAR AL-GUTIYYA narrated that during the reign of the Muslim caliph of Spain, Hisham II (976-1009CE), another Muslim navigator, Ibn Farrukh, from Granada, sailed from Kadesh (February 999CE) into the Atlantic, landed in Gando (Great Canary islands) visiting King Guanariga, and continued westward where he saw and named two islands, Capraria and Pluitana. He arrived back in Spain in May 999 CE.(2)

    6. Columbus sailed from Palos (Delba), Spain. He was bound for GOMERA (Canary Islands)-Gomera is an Arabic word meaning ‘small firebrand’ – there he fell in love with Beatriz BOBADILLA, daughter of the first captain general of the island (the family name BOBADILLA is derived from the Arab Islamic name ABOU ABDILLA.).Nevertheless, the BOBADILLA clan was not easy to ignore. Another Bobadilla (Francisco) later, as the royal commissioner, put Columbus in chains and transferred him from Santo Dominigo back to
    Spain (November 1500 CE). The BOBADILLA family was related to the ABBADID dynasty of Seville (1031-1091 CE). On October 12, 1492 CE, Columbus landed on a little island in the Bahamas that was called GUANAHANI by the natives. Renamed SAN SALVADOR by Columbus. GUANAHANI is derived from Mandinka and modified Arabic words. GUANA (IKHWANA) means ‘brothers’ and HANI is an Arabic name.Therefore the original name of the island was ‘HANI BROTHERS’. (11) Ferdinand Columbus, the son of Christopher, wrote about the blacks seen by his father in Handuras: “The people who live farther east of Pointe Cavinas, as far as Cape Gracios a Dios, are almost black in color.” At the same time, in this very same region, lived a tribe of Muslim natives known as ALMAMY. In Mandinka and Arabic languages, ALMAMY was the designation of “AL-IMAM”or “AL-IMAMU”, the leader of the prayer,or in some cases, the chief of the community,and/or a member of the Imami Muslim community. (12)

    NOTES

    7. A renowned American historian and linguist, LEO WEINER of Harvard University, in his book, AFRICA AND THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA (1920) wrote that Columbus was well aware of the Mandinka presence in the New World and that the West African Muslims had spread throughout the Caribbean, Central, South and North American territories, including Canada,where they were trading and intermarrying with the Iroquois and Algonquin Indians. (13)

    B: GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORATIONS:

    1. The famous Muslim geographer and cartographer AL-SHARIF AL-IDRISI (1099- 1166CE) wrote in his famous book Nuzhat al-mushtaq fi ikhtiraq al-afaq (Excursion of the longing one in crossing horizons) that a group of seafarers (from North Africa) sailed into the sea of darkness and fog (The Atlantic ocean) from Lisbon (Portugal), in order to discover what was in it and what extent were its limits. They finally reached an island that had people and cultivation…on the fourth day, a translator spoke to them in the Arabic language. (3)

    2. The Muslim reference books mentioned a well-documented description of a journey across the sea of fog and darkness by Shaikh ZAYN EDDINE ALI BEN FADHEL AL-MAZANDARANI. His journey started from Tarfaya (South Morocco) during the reign of the King Abu-Yacoub Sidi Youssef (1286-1307CE) 6th of the Marinid dynasty, to Green Island in the Caribbean sea in 1291 CE (690 HE). The details of his ocean journey are mentioned in Islamic references, and many Muslim scholars are aware of this recorded historical event..(4)

    3. The Muslim historian CHIHAB AD-DINE ABU-L-ABBAS AHMAD BEN FADHL AL-UMARI (1300-1384CE/700-786HE) described in detail the geographical explorations beyond the sea of fog and darkness of Mali’s sultans in his famous book Massaalik al-absaar fi mamaalik al-amsaar (The pathways of sights in the provinces of kingdoms).(5)

    4. Sultan MANSU KANKAN MUSA (1312-1337 CE) was the world renowned Mandinka monarch of the West African Islamic empire of Mali. While travelling to Makkah on his famous Hajj in 1324 CE, he informed the scholars of the Mamluk Bahri sultan court (An-Nasir Nasir Edin Muhammad III-1309-1340 CE) in Cairo, that his brother, sultan Abu Bakari I (1285-1312CE) had undertaken two expeditions into the Atlantic Ocean. When the sultan did not return to Timbuktu from the second voyage of 1311 CE, Mansa Musa became sultan of the
    empire. (6)

    5. Columbus and early Spanish and portuguese explorers were able to voyage across the Atlantic (a distance of 2400 Km’s) thanks to Muslim geographical and navigational information. In particular maps made by Muslim traders, including AL-MASUDI (871-957CE) in his book Akhbar az-zaman (History of the world) which is based on material gathered in Africa and Asia (9). As a matter of fact, Columbus had two captain of muslim origin during his first transatlantic voyage: Martin Alonso Pinzon was the captain of the PINTA,and his brother Vicente Yanez Pinzon was the captain of the NINA. They were wealthy, expert ship outfitters who helped organize the Columbus expedition and prepared the flagship, SANTA MARIA. They did this at their own expense for both commercial and political reasons. The PINZON family was related to ABUZAYAN MUHAMMAD III (1362-66 CE), the Moroccan sultan of the Marinid dynasty (1196-1465CE). (10)

    C: ARABIC ( ISLAMIC ) INSCRIPTIONS:

    1. Anthropologists have proven that the Mandinkos under Mansa Musa’s instructions explored many parts of North America via the Mississippi and other rivers systems. At Four Corners, Arizona, writings show that they even brought elephants from Africa to the
    area.(7)

    2. Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21,1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain. The ruins of mosques and minarets with inscriptions of Quranic verses have been discovered in Cuba,Mexico,Texas and Nevada. (8)

    3. During his second voyage, Columbus was told by the indians of ESPANOLA (Haiti), that black people had been to the island before his arrival. For proof, they presented Columbus with the spears of these African muslims. These weapons were tipped with a yellow metal that the indians called GUANIN, a word of West African derivation meaning ‘gold alloy’. Oddly enough, it is related to the Arabic word ‘GHINAA’ which means ‘WEALTH’. Columbus brought some GUANINES back to Spain and had them tested. He learned that the metal was 18 parts gold (56.25%), 6 parts silver (18.75%) and 8 parts copper (25%), the same ratio as the metal produced in African metalshops of Guinea. (14)

    4. In 1498 CE, on his third voyage to the new world, Columbus landed in Trinidad. Later, he sighted the South American continent, where some of his crew went ashore and found natives using colorful handkerchiefs of symmetrically woven cotton. Columbus noticed that these handkerchiefs resembled the headdresses and loinclothes of Guinea in their colors, style and function. He refered to them as ALMAYZARS. ALMAYZAR is an Arabic word for ‘wrapper’,’cover’,’apron’ and/or ‘skirting’ which was the cloth the Moors (Spanish or North African Muslims) imported from west Africa (Guinea) into Morocco, Spain and Portugal. During this voyage, Columbus was surprised that the married women wore cotton panties (bragas) and he wondered where these natives learned their modesty. Hernan Cortes, Spanish conqueror, described the dress of the Indian women as ‘long veils’ and the dress of Indian men as ‘breechcloth painted in the style of Moorish draperies’. Ferdinand Columbus called the native cotton garments ‘breechclothes of the same design and cloth as the shawls worn by the Moorish women of Granada’. Even the similarity of the children’s hammocks to those found in North Africa was uncanny.(15)

    5. Dr. Barry Fell (Harvard University) introduced in his book ‘Saga America-1980’ solid scientific evidence supporting the arrival, centuries before Columbus, of Muslims from North and West Africa. Dr. Fell discovered the existence of the Muslim schools at Valley of Fire, Allan Springs, Logomarsino, Keyhole, Canyon, Washoe and Hickison Summit Pass (Nevada), Mesa Verde (Colorado), Mimbres Valley (New Mexico) and Tipper Canoe(Indiana) dating back to 700-800 CE. Engraved on rocks in the arid western U.S, he found texts, diagrams and charts representing the last surviving fragments of what was once a system of schools – at both an elementary and higher level. The language of instruction was North African Arabic written with old Kufic Arabic scripts. The subjects of instruction included writing, reading, arithmetic, religion, history, geography, mathematics, astronomy and sea navigation. The descendants of the Muslim visitors of North America are members of the present Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam and Olmec native people..(16)

    6. There are 565 names of places (villages, towns, cities, mountains, lakes, rivers,.. etc. ) in U.S.A. (484) and Canada (81) which derived from Islamic and Arabic roots. These places were originally named by the natives in precolumbian periods. Some of these names carried holy meanings such as: Mecca-720 inhabitants (Indiana), Makkah Indian tribe (Washington), Medina-2100 (Idaho), Medina-8500 (N.Y.), Medina-1100, Hazen-5000 (North Dakota), Medina-17000/Medina-120000 (Ohio), Medina-1100 (Tennessee), Medina-26000 (Texas), Medina-1200 (Ontario), Mahomet-3200 (Illinois), Mona-1000 (Utah), Arva-700 (Ontario)…etc. A careful study of the names of the native Indian tribes revealed that many names are derived from Arab and Islamic roots and origins, i.e. Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin, Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah, Mahigan, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, Zuni…etc..

    Based on the above historical, geographical and linguistic notes, a call to celebrate the millennium of the Muslim arrival to the Americas, five centuries before Columbus, has been issued to all Muslim nations and communities around the world. We hope that this call will receive complete understanding and attract enough support.

    • 5thDrawer

      Wow … Muslims came before Muhammad … amazing.

      • Hind Abyad

        Big headache, good luck.:)

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        No 5th the egg came before the chicken. I know who layed it, it was Doron in the garden of a million skulls.

        • TheUSequalsTheIS

          lol

    • Hind Abyad

      :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    • Andre

      Is that Muslims or the Arabs that found the Americas….that was already inhabited by other people!!!

  • guest

    Muslims have exerted a great and largely unrecognized impact on American society, beginning with their exploration of America more than 300 years prior to the “discovery” of the “New World” by Christopher Columbus.

    The Muslim explorers accessed the interior of the continent by using the Mississippi River. The traces of their early presence may be found in the architecture and calligraphy of towns such as St. Augustine, Florida (America’s oldest town), in the names of islands such as Islamadora, and in the customs of the American Indians.

    Some little known but very intriguing statistics follow:

    In 1178 , a Chinese document known as the Sung Document records the voyage of Muslim sailors to a land known as Mu-Lan-Pi (America). This document is mentioned in The Khotan Amirs, published in 1933.

    Abu Bakari, a Muslim king from the Malian Empire, leads a series of nautical voyages to the New World in 1310.

    In 1312 , African Muslims from Mandinga arrive in the Gulf of Mexico and explore the American interior via the Mississippi River.

    1513 , Piri Reis completes his first world map, including the Americas, after researching maps from all over the world. The map is unsurpassed in its practicality and artistry.

    1530 , African slaves arrive in America. More than 10 million were uprooted from their homes and brought to America, and more than 30 percent of these were Muslim. These slaves formed the backbone of American economy.

    In 1539 , Estevanico of Azamor, a Muslim from Morocco, lands in Florida and becomes the first Muslim to cross the American continent At least two states owe their beginnings to this Muslim, Arizona and New Mexico.

    In Panama and Colombia there were rulers (“princes”) whom the invading Catholic Spaniards recognized as having “completely Moorish or Biblical” names: such as “Do-Bayda” and “Aben-Amechy.” Even in the Caribbean, the evidence of a significant Muslim presence can be found. P.V. Ramos points out in African Presence in Early America , that Christopher Columbus’ own impression of the “Carib” peoples was that they were “Mohammedans”. Ramos says that the dietary restrictions of the Carib were similar to those of Islamic peoples and this provided one reason for such an impression.

    Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE, while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on the top of a beautiful mountain. The ruins of mosques and minarets with inscriptions of Qur’anic verses have been discovered in Cuba, Mexico, Texas, and Nevada. During his second voyage, Columbus was told by the Indians of Espanola (Haiti) that Black people had been to the island before his arrival. For proof, they presented Columbus with the spears of these African Muslims. These weapons were tipped with a yellow metal that the Indians called Guanine, a word of West African derivation meaning gold alloy. Oddly enough, it is related to the Arabic world ‘Ghinaa’ which means ‘Wealth’.

    In 1498 CE, on his third voyage to the New World, Columbus landed in Trinidad. Later, he sighted the South American continent, where some of his crew went ashore and found natives using colorful handkerchiefs of symmetrically woven cotton which resembled the head dresses and loincloths of Guinea in their colors, style, and function. He referred to them as Almayzars. Almayzar is an Arabic word for ‘wrapper’, ‘cover,’ ‘apron’, and or ‘skirting’, which was the cloth the Moors (Spanish or North African Muslims) imported from West Africa (Guinea) into Morocco, Spain, and Portugal. During this voyage, Columbus was surprised that the married women wore cotton panties (bragas) and he wondered where these natives learned their modesty. Hernando Cortez, Spanish conqueror, described the dress of the Indian women as long veils and the dress of Indian men as ‘breechcloth painted in the style of Moorish draperies’. Ferdinand Columbus called the native cotton garments ‘breechcloths of the same design and cloth as the shawls worn by the Moorish women of Granada’. Even the similarity of the children’s hammocks to those found in North Africa was uncanny.

    The descendants of the Muslim visitors of North America are members of the present Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam, and Olmec native people.

    In 1654, the English explorers reported a colony of bearded people wearing European clothing, living in cabins, smelting silver, and dropping to their knees to pray many times daily, wherever they might be. The early 17th Century Powhatan Indian’s description of Heaven is nearly, word for word, the description found in the Holy Qur’an. Tennessee Governor John Sevier records a 1784 encounter in what is now Western North Carolina with a dark-skinned, reddish-brown complexioned people supposed to be of Moorish descent who claim to be Portuguese. In east Tennessee in late 1700’s, Jonathan Swift, an Englishman, employed dark-skinned men who were known as “Mecca Indians”.

    Many “Indian” words seem to have their origin in Arabic indicating a definite link and heritage. This is but a very small sampling of many Indian words with connections to Islam and Arabic/Turkish origins.

    Indian Word
    Turkish/Ottoman
    Meaning
    Allegheny (mountains)
    Allah genis
    God vastness
    chitlin
    citla
    a crackling sound
    Seminole
    Sami nal
    Semites who ran away
    Niagara Falls
    Ne Yaygara
    Huge noise (lit. ‘what a noise’)
    Micanopy Mekka-nabi
    Prophet of Mecca
    (Seminole chief who united the various factions of the Seminoles into a major fighting force)
    Hadjo
    Hodja (Hoca)
    wise leader who has been on “haj” to Mecca
    Shawnee
    sah ne
    great shah, or great king
    Shenandoah
    sen doga
    happy/pleasant natural setting
    Cherry Winche
    cari-ince
    shallow flowing stream (Name of a small stream in Louisiana)
    Tuckahoe
    Tur-kih-ot
    Round dirty plant (Algonquin/Powhatan word for tubular, potato-like plant)
    Shindig
    sen lik (‘shen-lick’)
    happy or joyous party (old Appalachian word for community party)
    Werowance
    veri-han (‘werra-hahn’)
    Turkish term meaning religious, God- fearing leader

    There is much more which can be said about the legacy of Muslims in the early Americas. In spite of what the proverbial mainstream community may think, the presence of Muslims in the Americas is much older and much more profound than many of them know or care to admit. When the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) told his followers to “go as far as China” to spread the word of Islam, it is becoming apparent that they did just that and more!

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    Historical facts concerning many established information on diverse fields continue to be unraveled to the astonishment of us all. One of these facts, previously little-known by many, is that Muslims had actually set foot on American soil centuries before Columbus’ illustrious expedition. We hope as you read ahead in this essay that some information and documents, excerpts from various sources, and the results of archeological excavations will demonstrate the truth of the aforementioned proposition.

    Did the Companions of the Prophet go to America?
    Research conducted in the West during the twentieth century has proven the existence of Muslims on the American mainland approximately seven centuries before Christopher Columbus. Similarly, archeological excavations, linguistic, and philological analyses of languages and settlement names in the region, the fact that coins, household tools and other utensils were discovered there that were similar to those of the Abbasids in the eighth and ninth centuries are all justifications of the theory that Muslims, beginning from 650 CE, made their way to the continent for settlement, during which time they erected mosques and schools, leaving a prolonged impact on the natives, i.e. American Indians.
    The Islamic sources carry no information as regards Muslim settlement in America, although research undertaken by Professor Barry Fell of Harvard University confirms that Muslims reached the continent at the time of Uthman, the third Caliph, concomitantly indicating the significant possibility that some of the Companions could have arrived there as well.
    Many Western researchers acknowledge the famous map of Piri Reis as proof of Muslim presence in America long before the endeavors of Columbus, as it minutely comprises the map of America, as well as extremely accurate measurements of the distance between America and Africa.
    According to Salvatore Michael Trento, former director of the Center for Archeological Research in Middletown, New York, before embarking on his first voyage to America, Columbus had read the book of Roger Bacon of Oxford University, which comprised information, compiled from a variety of Arabic resources, about geographical regions on the other side of the Atlantic; hence Columbus’ previous knowledge of the islands in the Atlantic Ocean and other places.

    Proofs in Western sources
    1. Professor Barry Fell, retired lecturer from Harvard University and also a member of the American Academy of Science and Arts, the Royal Society, the Epigraphy Society and the Society of Scientific and Archeological Discoveries, is adamant about the arrival of Islam in America in the 650s,2 predicating this argument upon the Cufic calligraphy belonging to that era found in various diggings across America. If the words of Professor Fell have truth-value, then the Muslims had arrived in America during the era of Uthman, or at least that of Ali, the fourth caliph. Such information, however, is not found in Muslim sources.
    Professor Fell again uses the results of various archeological diggings undertaken across many regions in the states of Colorado, New Mexico, and Indiana to assert the construction of Muslim schools during 700-800 CE. Writings, drawings, and charts inscribed on rocks discovered in the most remote and untainted terrains of Western America are relics bestowed by the elementary and intermediate systems of Muslim education at the time. These documents were written in the old Cufic letters of North African Arabic, covering subjects such as reading, writing, arithmetic, religion, history, geography, mathematics, astronomy, and navigation. The descendants of these settlers are thought to be the current native tribes of Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam, and Olmec.

    2. The second evidence offered by Professor Fell is that the inscription of “In the Name of God” (picture 1), found on a rock during archeological work in Nevada, belongs to the seventh century, when the haraka sign system had not yet been developed. Likewise, the stone bearing the inscription “Muhammad is the Prophet of God” (picture 2) is pertinent to the same era. As seen by comparison of the two pictures, the inscriptions are not in the style of Modern Arabic; conversely they are in a Cufic style relevant to the seventh century.

    The Arabs, according to the findings of Professor Fell, settled in Nevada during the seventh and eighth centuries. The earlier existence of a school, which taught Islam and science, particularly navigation, has come to light following the archeological investigation undertaken by Professors Heizer and Baumhoff of California University around site WA 25 in Nevada. The excavations in Nevada have uncovered writings in Naskhi Arabic and Cufic style that are inscribed on rocks which carry information about this school (picture 3). The application of the mathematical formula “five diamonds equal an alif” (alif is the first letter of Arabic alphabet) may be seen in this picture (pictures 3b and 3c). The Arabic letters in pictures 3b and 3c, found amid excavations in Nevada, are in exactly the same style as North African Arabic. Again similarly, another rock was found in Nevada bearing the name “God”, the style of which is yet again reminiscent of the prevalent technique of seventh and eighth-century North Africa. The calligraphical similarities between various writing styles of the Prophet’s name over diverse periods, particularly those relating to Africa and America, found during archeological investigations are striking indeed. Figure A of picture 4 was found in al-Ain Lahag, Morocco and figure B in East Walker River; both are currently at the University of California. Figure C was discovered in Nevada and figures C and D were located in Churchill County and are also currently preserved at the University of California; likewise figure F was discovered in al-Haji Minoun, Morocco, while figure G, inscribed on ceramic, was revealed in al-Suk, Tripoli, Libya and figure H, at the University of California, was discovered at Cottonwood Canyon, while finally figure I was located on the border of Morocco and Libya. All these inscriptions belong to the eighth and ninth centuries, clearly illustrating the resemblance in style between North America and North Africa, as well as overtly suggesting a migration that occurred from Africa to America.

    3. In the twelfth century the Athapcan Tribe, comprised of native Apaches and Navajos, raided the area inhabited by the Arabs, who either ended up fleeing or were exiled toward the South. These illiterate natives were spellbound by the schools founded by the Arabs, and, perhaps with the assistance of captives, attempted to imitate the same subjects, transforming the geometrical shapes into mythical beasts, which carried on for centuries.

    4. Picture 5 is the Cufic writing found in 1951 in the White Mountains, close to the town of Benton on the border of Nevada. The words Shaytan maha mayan, i.e. the Devil is the source of all lies, have been written in a Cufic style peculiar to the seventh century.

    5. Once more, a rock inscription belonging to post-650 CE, bearing the Cufic letters H-M-I-D of the word Hamid (picture 6), is another Arabic script discovered on the Atlata rocks in the Valley of Fire in Nevada.

    6. While traveling from Malden to Cambridge in the state of Massachusetts in 1787 (on what is now RT. 16), the Reverend Thaddeus Mason Harris noticed some coins discovered by workers during road construction. The workers, not putting much value on these coins, presented him with a handful. Consequently, Harris decided to send these coins to the library of Harvard College for examination (picture 7). The study yielded that these were in fact Samarqand dirhams from the eighth and ninth centuries. As can be seen in the picture, the coins manifestly display the inscriptions La ilaha ill-Allah Muhammadun Rasulullah (There is no deity but God, and Muhammad is His Messenger) and Bismillah (in the name of God).

    7. Picture 8 shows a piece of rock discovered in a cave in the region of Corinto in El Salvador, bearing the inscription Malaka Haji mi Malaya; this has been identified as belonging to the thirteenth century, suggesting a possible arrival of Muslims in South America, perhaps coming from somewhere near Indonesia.

    7. During his second voyage, Columbus was told by the natives of Espanola (Haiti) of black men who had appeared on the island before him and they showed him the lances that had been left there by these Africans to support their assertions. The tips of the lances were of a metal, an alloy of gold, which they called guanin, a word which is semantically remarkably similar to the Arabic word ghina, meaning richness. Columbus had in fact brought some of this guanin back to Spain, recording that it was composed of 56.25% gold, 18.75% silver and 25% copper, ratios that were prevalent in African Guinea as standards for the processing of metals.

    8. On his third voyage to the New World, Columbus visited Trinidad, where the sailors noticed the symmetrically patterned cotton and colorful handkerchiefs of the natives. Afterward, Columbus realized that the handkerchiefs, which the natives called almayzar, were all much the same in color, style, and use as the headscarves and waist bands used in Guinea. The word almayzar is Arabic, and denotes a cover, tie, apron, or skirt, and is a component of the regional costumes of the Moors, Arabs and, Berbers of North Africa, who had conquered Spain in the eighth century. Columbus observed that the local women wore cotton garments and wrote in astonishment that they had learned of the concept namus, i.e. chastity. In much the same vein, Hernan Cortes, another Spanish explorer, later recorded that the clothing of local women consisted of long veils and skirts decorated with ornaments that were similar to those of the Moors. Ferdinand, Columbus’ son, was also quick to notice the resemblance between the cotton dresses of the natives and the ornamented shawls fashioned by Moorish women in Granada. The cradles used by the natives, furthermore, very closely resembled those of North Africa.

    9. Columbus recorded on 21 October 1492 that he had noticed a mosque on top of a mountain while sailing around Cibara on the northeast coast of Cuba. Relics of mosques carrying Qur’anic inscriptions on their minarets have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas, and Nevada since these times.

    10. Leo Weiner, a well-known Harvard historian and linguist, stated in his book The Discovery of Africa and America, written in 1920, that Columbus was aware of the existence of Mandinka, an ethnic group of West Africa, in the New World. The same book also affirms that Columbus was aware that West African Muslims were living across North America, including the south, middle regions and Canada, as well as in the Caribbean, and that they had marital and commercial ties with the native tribes of Iroque and Algonquin.

    11. A preponderance of the voyages embarked upon by Columbus and other Spanish and Portuguese explorers toward the other side of the Atlantic were undertaken only in the light of the geographical and navigational knowledge prepared by Muslims. Al-Masudi’s (871-957 CE) work Muruj’uz-Zahab, for instance, was written with this sort of data compiled by Muslim traders from across Africa and Asia. Two of Columbus’ captains on the first voyage, in actual fact, were Muslims: Martin Alonso Pinzon was in charge of the Pinta, while his brother Vicente Yanez Pinzon was the designated captain of Nina; both were from the Moroccan Marinid dynasty, descendants of Sultan Abu Zayan Muhammad III (r. 1362-1366). Formerly well-to-do ship riggers, they assisted Columbus in organizing his voyage of exploration, preparing the Santa Maria, the flagship, and covering all its expenses.

    12. Christopher Columbus has recorded the custom of nose piercing, which used to be and still popular in the Middle Eastern and Arab countries, as being prevalent in some islands across the Atlantic also mentions the writing of letters in Arabic.

    13. In the account of sixteenth century missionaries in America, the local copper mines, found particularly in Virginia, Tennessee, and Wisconsin were not operated by the natives, but instead by people from the Middle East, towards whom the natives nurtured a profound sympathy.

    14. A sum of 565 names, 484 in America and 81 in Canada, of villages, towns, cities, mountains, lakes, rivers and etcetera, are etymologically Arabic, designated by locals long before the arrival of Columbus. Many of these names are in fact the same as names of Islamic places; Mecca in Indiana, Medina in Idaho, Medina in New York, Medina and Hazen in North Dakota, Medina in Ohio, Medina in Tennessee, Medina in Texas, Medina and Arva in Ontario, Mahomet in Illinois and Mona in Utah, are just a few noticeable names at the outset. A closer analysis of the names of native tribes will immediately reveal their Arabic etymological ancestry; Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin, Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah, Mohician, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, and Zuni are only a few.

    House and building Structures
    Archeological excavations conducted throughout North America and North Africa reveal a corresponding architectural resemblance between ninth century buildings. The structure of a Berber house of the Atlas Mountains, Morocco (picture 9), for instance, is exactly the same as that of a house in New Mexico (picture 10). The same similarity can be traced between the Castle of Montezuma discovered in Arizona and the remnants found in Mesa Verde in Colorado and the general structure of Berber buildings (picture 11-12).

    The research undertaken by Professor Cyrus Thomas of the Smithsonian Institute shows that a small cabin built from piles of rock found in Ellenville, New York is virtually the same as the cabin, again of rock, found around Aqabah, Southern Arabia, both of which are thought to have been built around the start of the eighth century (picture 13).
    Arabic words prevalent among natives prior to the arrival of Eu ropeans
    The pervasiveness of many Islamic words across the continent prior to European influx is verified by the following terms discovered in the regions currently known as New England and Nova Scotia, in America and Canada respectively. Fell pointed to some words as example of Arabic influence on Native Americans. All of the words listed below are derived from the Arabic language. However, time had eroded their original meanings and most are not used in Arabic today.
    The last Muslim stronghold in Spain, Granada, fell just before the Spanish Inquisition was established in 1492. Non-Christians were forced to either convert to Catholicism to save themselves from the tyranny of the Inquisition or were exiled from the country. Documents exist which prove the existence of immigrant Muslims in Spanish America before 1550. In 1539 an edict from Spanish King Charles V was put into practice which forbade the immigration of Muslims to settlements in the West. This edict was later expanded to expel all Muslims from overseas Spanish colonies in 1543. The existence of Muslims in overseas islands and regions was known along with the fact that the Spanish king issued such an edict. Again, in many Islamic sources, it is noted that Muslims living in Spain and North Africa made overseas voyages during the Andalusia period. Scientific research on this subject will bring out many documents into the daylight, documents which have escaped the notice of both Muslims in America and those throughout the world, which will perhaps serve, in the future if not immediately, as a starting point for a re-evaluation of the history of America.

  • guest

    Furthermore, we learn that among other words of Arabic origin is the name of the capital city of Florida, Tallahassee. Among other names are “zenith,” (cenit) “nadir,” (nadir) “lemon,” (limun) “sugar,” (sukkar) “orange,” (naranj) “banana,” (banana) “alcohol,” (al-kohl) “algebra,” (al-jabr) “atlas,” (atlas) “safari,” (safr) and even “Hawaii” comes from the Arabic word, “Hawaa.” As a matter of fact, almost all of the Native tribes’ vocabulary included the word “Allah.” Traces of the Arab culture brought here to the Native Americans can still be seen today, in this letter from a Native American Muslim. The languages of Spanish, Italian, English, Urdu, and Hindi all have traces of Arabic influence. Wherever the Muslims went, they brought their culture and language. Within a century of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)’s death, Islam spread across as far West as Spain and Portugal, and as far East as China.

    Columbus reportedly observed that the dress code for the Native American women were modest long dresses, and of the dress code included the covering of the face (like the women of Andalusia). The Native peoples had a great civilization prior to Columbus’ arrival. During their expansion west, Muslims were already thinking about voyaging to America in 956 because it was well-known to them that America existed and they had the technology to cross the Atlantic. Some historians, in fact, suggest that Spain’s Muslims arrived in America 500 years prior to Columbus. (956 would then seem accurate) America was the “New World” only to the Europeans. If it weren’t for the maps of Andalusian Muslim, Al-Idrisi (Dreses) Columbus wouldn’t have been able to set sail, period. In October of 1492, Columbus claimed he saw a mosque and discovered “bearded men (like the men of Andalusia) who knelt for prayer 5 times a day.” In addition, at least 30% of men brought into America with Columbus were Muslim. Historians Sylvianne Diouf and Allan Austin shed light on the topic of Muslims in the Americas.

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    Muslim scholar discovered Americas 500 years before Columbus:
    Amid this growing wave of pessimism regarding the so called ‘official story’ that has for centuries attempted to convince the world that Spanish explorer Christopher Columbus was the first person to discover the Americas, an article which claims that central Asian Muslim scholar Abu Raihan al-Biruni discovered the continent centuries before Columbus has come to light.

    Writing in History Today, S. Frederick Starr explained that the Muslim scholar had indeed discovered the Americas long before Columbus set sail in 1498. According to the article, Abu Raihan al-Biruni, who was born in the year 973 in what is today known as Uzbekistan, was the first person to officially suggest that an undiscovered landmass in the ocean between the Europe and Asia actually existed.
    Although al-Biruni, who made the claim in the early eleventh century, never himself laid eyes on the Americas, his unmatched expertise on geography and mapping led him to the conclusion that the known world – which spanned from the west coasts of Europe and Africa to the east coasts of Asia – only accounted for two-fifths of the world.

    His knowledge of both Middle-Eastern and Indian languages, as well as being trained in mathematics, astronomy, mineralogy, geography, cartography, geometry and trigonometry under great scholars like Ahmad al-Farghani, gave him deep insight into the sciences of various fields and civilizations. Al-Biruni began by working out the latitudinal and longitudinal locations of various cities in central Asia, India, the Middle-East and the Mediterranean.

    Al-Biruni spoke Persian, Arabic and Khwarazmian— the language of the Sunni dynasty that was in control of Greater Iran during the 12th and 13th centuries. He had also been well trained in mathematics, astronomy, mineralogy, geography, cartography, geometry and trigonometry studying under the supervision of grand scholars such as Ahmad al-Farghani. From his studies, he was able to understand science and civilizations. Longitude and latitude coordinates of different cities in central Asia, India, the Middle East, as well as the Mediterranean were worked out by al-Biruni.
    The Muslim man was one of the few at the time to correctly estimate that the earth was not flat but round. His professor al-Farghani had also pointed out that the earth was round and gave a nearly accurate reading of the world’s circumference, which Columbus actually used as a base for his own expeditions.

    Though, Columbus did not take into account that al-Farghani had noted the measurement in Arab miles instead of Roman miles, leading to the underestimation of distance for his entire journey. In addition, Columbus had no plan on discovering the Americas when he set off as he thought he would end up in Europe or Asia.
    Just like his teacher, al-Biruni gave an estimate of the world’s circumference but his figure were a lot more precise. He also proposed that the earth orbited the sun instead of accepting the more common notion of the time, which was vice versa. This was noted in his book named Codex Masudicus where he also suggested that the Americas existed.

    Around the time of 1037, the theory was set in motion –at that time al-Biruni would have been at the age of 70. Due to the lack of energy, old age, and not having a way to prove his theory true, it remained merely that.

  • hassan

    You people murdered the Armenians you are the real killers

  • Tk

    ha ha funny … nice try

  • Hind Abyad

    ..

  • Hind Abyad

    The Ottoman Empire should be cleaned up of the Armenians and the Lebanese. We have destroyed the former by the sword, we shall destroy the latter through starvation.

    Quoted in “The Evil 100” – Page 35 – by Martin Gilman Wolcott – Social Science – 2004.
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/%C4%B0smail_Enver..

  • Hannibal

    you are so wrong Mr. Erd wu Khan…

    The Phoenicians were probably first to reach the Americas… However, the native Americans crossed from the North during the ice age before any other.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Phoenician_discovery_of_the_Americas

  • MekensehParty

    The Arabs made it to Amrika first, they burned its flag and returned with the V sign.

    • 5thDrawer

      I think it was even 72 V signs ….

      • MekensehParty

        lol
        If they landed in Brazil, I bet they thought it was paradise

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Baradice, get wiz it bleaze.

  • The real lebanese

    Columbus believed he was in India at the time….

  • guest

    Zionist, Shiites, Neocons, and their Allies: A Treacherous Alliance

    The world has been programmed to fear Islam – Islam is often painted by right-wing neoconservatives as a religion that will never integrate a primitive religion that seeks to rob individuals of their freedoms and dominate the world. Muslims are often led to believe that if Shariah law is enforced upon mankind the world will usher into a golden age, they believe the West doesn’t want Islam because of its complete and utter remedies to society’s social ills. For the last 20 years or more, humanity has been continuously sold Samuel Huntington’s lie about the so-called “Clash of Civilisations” which is often used to defend right-wing, anti-Muslim mass immigration bigots. Islamists are portrayed as a threat to national security, national sovereignty and the safety of civilians – both Muslim and Non-Muslim. Many Muslims and Non-Muslims are led to believe political Islamic movements are the biggest threat and main opposition to Western imperialists. Unfortunately, people only see what is in front of them, nobody reads between the lines anymore, people only scratches the surface and the hidden historical connections between Islam and the West upon Islam’s inception until now are either unseen or completely dismissed altogether. Political Islam and Islamists are in fact the biggest modern day vehicles for Western imperialism and neo-colonialism.

    If you connect the dots between high profile, historical Islamic political and religious figures who worked hand in hand with Zionists and the West to create what is now the so-called modern threat of Islamism which worries Westerners and triggers right-wing groups intensely. I strongly recommend reading this book titled “Terrorism and the Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History” by David Livingstone.

    Iran’s secret alliance with Israel, this book supports everything people have been saying about the Middle East being no different than a game of minesweeper – Israel’s mines are everywhere, in movements, in religious authority figures, in ruling elite Muslim (or secretly Jewish) bloodlines, in political positions of power… nothing is left untouched or not infiltrated – everybody is playing for the same team – the only difference is ideologies are made to look as though they oppose each other and even though they do, ultimately they all work for the same interests despite what their followers are led to believe.

    There were secret alliances between the Crusades, Knights Templar and off-shoot Shiite sect Ismailis which exchanged various occult traditions.

    The Persian royal family intermarried with Alexander the Great and Herod the Great, these intermarried families were responsible for creating the leading mystery school known as “The Mysteries of Mithras” which later merged with the Christian movement to create what is now known as the Catholic Church. The Mysteries of Mithras movement introduced humanity to the occult arts including astrology, magic and alchemy. The cult today now known as the Kabbalah was created by Jews who refused to remove Pagan influences from their religion by adopting Babylonian magic knowing it was forbidden by the God of Israel – they instead chose to honour Lucifer. They kept their apostasy hidden by disguising their hidden faith as religious interpretation.

    Zoroastrianism was originally monotheistic which was quickly corrupted by the Magi (the Persian priests) who infused Babylonian elements to it. Compulsory schooling was enforced by the ruling elite in order to separate children from their parents by indoctrinating them with ideals of the state. The original Mysteries of Mithras were the first families to ultimately produce the ruling elite bloodlines – they believed they were superior to everybody else because of their intermarriage to other multi-dimensional beings. The cult of the Roman Empire produced by the Mysteries of Mithras then penetrated the Islamic world via the off-shoot Shiite sect known as the Ismailis who later created the first network of Islamic terrorism known as the Assassins. An article published in the American Journal of Human Genetics revealed the Hebrew University of Israel revealed Jews have a closer genetic relationship to populations in the northern Mediterranean, including Kurds, Anatolian Turks and Armenians more than Arabs and Bedouins.

    Islam was subverted through the same occult influences from a community in Harran, southeast Turkey known as the Sabians. It was through their influence the most notorious of radical Islamic groups, the Assassins later imported occult tradition via the Knights Templar during the Crusades to the West. The Sabians were translators and astrologers who diffused the mystical teachings to the Islamic world later creating what is now known as Sufism. The Shiite Muslims were split into two main groups, the majority following the Twelve Imams known as the Twelvers and Jafar’s followers who remained loyal to his son Ismail who later became known as the Ismailis. The Templars grew powerful, Jerusalem fell back into Muslim hands, and nearly all Crusader holdings were in Arab control. The Templars established Cyprus as their new headquarters – they were involved in secret pacts with the Muslims forging alliances with them to establish connections with the Ismailis. The Templars were charged with practicing magic and believed by most to have been disbanded – they later formed the Freemasons.

    The Illuminati created the Egyptian Rite Freemasonry and allied themselves to the secret societies of Egypt to produce the Ismaili “Grand lodge” of Fatimid times to produce Islamic fundamentalism. The relationship between European Occultists and their brethren in Egypt opened up the opportunity to create three world wards of which the last would be against Islam.

    WWI – to enable the Illuminati to overthrow the Tzars in Russia and create stronghold of atheistic-communism; Communism was created to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

    WWII – to emphasise the differences between fascism and political Zionism; Nazism was created to be destroyed to give rise to political Zionism and establish the state of Israel.

    WWIII – to emphasise difference between political Zionists and Muslim world both will destroy each other divided against each other forced to fight themselves into a complete state of exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically.

    The monopoly was achieved by the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and the Iranians would play a central role in the Illuminati conspiracy to gain control of oil, and through the accumulation of wealth fund the spread of deviant interpretations of Islam and finance Islamic terrorism. The British Oxford movement in Egypt later created a reformed Islamic movement later known as Khawarijism which would be later used as a pretext for Western invasion to safeguard oil. The Iranians were employed to protect Britain’s growing interest of the Suez Canal which would become crucial for oil shipments to Europe and elsewhere. Jamal ud Din Al-Afghani was the founder of the Khawariji movement; he was guided by British and cult specialists. The Khawariji movement became allied with the Shiites of Iran through Freemason, Mohammed Rashid Rida who later led the movement.

    The Nazis and the Shiites worked together to revive ancient mind-control tactics of the Ismailis who would later be known as terrorist. The organisation was later named the Muslim Brotherhood who would use Islam only to deceive the public. Robert Dreyfuss who was held hostage by Ayatollah Khomeini professed:

    “The Muslim Brotherhood is a London creation, forged as the standard-bearer of an ancient, anti-religious (Pagan) heresy that has plagued Islam since the establishment of the Muslim community by the Prophet Muhammad. Representing organised Islamic fundamentalism, the organisation called the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1929 by the British agent Hassan al-Banna a sufi mystic. Today, the Muslim Brotherhood is the umbrella under which a host of fundamentalist Sufi, Khawarij and radical Shiite brotherhoods and societies flourish.”

    When Hitler came to power in the 1930s he and Nazi intelligence made contact with Banna in order to collaborate – Banna was a devout admirer of Hitler. Nazi Military intelligence provided information on the British to work covertly to undermine British control in Egypt. When Abdul Nasser threatened to nationalise the Suez Canal, the Rothschilds employed their assassins from the Muslim Brotherhood against him.

    One British agent even admitted “The Muslim Brotherhood was a silent ally that provided a cheap no-American causalities way to do our dirty work in Yemen, Afghanistan and plenty of other places” Robert Dreyfuss even clarified

    “The real Muslim Shiite-Khawarij Brothers are those whose hands are never dirtied with the business of killing and burning. They are the secretive bankers and financiers who stand behind the curtain, the members of the old Arab, Turkish or Persian families who genealogy places them in the oligarchial elite, with smooth business and intelligence associations to the European black nobility and especially to the British oligarchy. The Muslim Brotherhood is money. Together, the Brotherhood probably controls several tens of billions of dollars in immediate liquid assets, and controls billions more in day-to-day business operations in everything from oil trade and banking, to drug running, illegal arms merchandising, gold and diamond smuggling. By allying with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Anglo-Americans and worldwide financial empire that extends from numbered Swiss bank accounts to offshore havens in Dubai, Kuwait and Hong Kong.”

    No Islamist movement is real – People have been saying that for years now. A real Islamist movement would not have any kind of alliance with the West, but these facts above prove the opposite otherwise. Islamism is not a threat to the West; it’s only incited as a threat in order to create instability, paranoia and chaos among citizens who feel threatened by an “invasive species” who seek to reform their Western-liberal-democratic values. The alliance between Shiite-Khawarij and the West has revealed itself in the past couple of decades or so, but nonetheless, many naive Muslims and Non-Muslims still believe

    Shiite-Khawarij have their best interest at heart and aspire to use the divine doctrine of God to create a utopia which the West rejects.

    People need to dig deeper – what you see in front of you is far from the truth, but if you seek the truth eventually you will find it. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to enlighten people about these inconvenient truths which often is overshadowed by silence and mass ignorance of people. At the end of the day, some people will never live to uncover the truth, others will resist the truth to protect their beliefs and few will uncover the truth and be shockingly disappointed. Lesson here, never believe anybody who claims to be something they’re not, never have faith in a group of people who could easily deceive you by telling you one thing and leading you to believe another.

  • guest

    “Treacherous Alliance: the secret dealings of Israel, Iran and the West” by Iranian-American author Trita Parsi.

    The historical image of the 3000 years of hidden alliance between the Persian Empire and the Jews as well as the strong relationship between Iran and Israel dating as far back as Israel’s inception.

    Israeli authorities who have openly admitted Iran is not a threat to them but only a threat to their Arab neighbours whom Israel seeks open recognition from.

    Israel and Iran have been allies since Israel’s inception

    Israel backed Iran in the Iraq-Iran war until both parties lost because Israel feared Iraq

    High authorities in Israel have openly admitted Iran is not a threat to Israel, Iraq was the only threat to Israel’s existence

    Israel paved the way for US-Iran relations – Israel propagated the fictitious threat of Iran out of fear their role between the US-Iran marriage was no longer needed, Israelis also propagated this threat so Arabs who feared Iranian imperialism would openly recognise the existence of their bastard state

    During UN sanctions on Iran, Israel purchased most of its over 75% of its oil and pistachio nuts from Iran via third party country to ensure Iran’s economy survived all hardships – Israel also provided ongoing weapon supplies to Iran well before the Iraq-Iran war

    Israel and Iran were both covertly responsible for the Kurdish uprisings against Saddam backed by the secretly Jewish Kurdish Barzani clan – the creation of an independent Kurdish state would perfectly work in Israel’s best interests

    Iran often calls Israel a fabricated entity with no legitimacy and no future in the Middle East – behind the threats and slogans is millennia of Iranian-Jewish friendship. Two hundred thousand Iranian Jews and their descendents live in Israel. Some of them belong to the highest levels of the Israeli political elite. Past Israeli president Moshe Katsav, former deputy prime minister and chief of the IDF Shaul Mofaz were both born in Iran. Twenty-five thousand Jews reside in Iran. As long as Iranian Jews oppose Zionism and the Israeli state they would be protected in Iran and given a great deal of religious freedom – Khomeini also issued a religious fatwa (verdict) declaring Jews were to be protected.

    Israel and Iran have always viewed each other as allies – an Israeli expert on Iran even described Arabs as “hard heads” who would operate along the same narrow-minded unsophisticated principles. Iranians are much harder to characterise for Israelis because they are “so much like us.” An Israeli historian even admitted “Persians and Israelis view each other as “equals” in the Middle East region, after all Iran had the mighty Persian Empire greatly respected by Israel, while both Israelis and Persians view Arabs as uncivilised savages who are inferior to them.” Aside from the Turks; Israel and Iran are united on the basis they both feel isolated and alienated from their Arab neighbours in the Middle East. Clyde Haberman of the New York Times wrote:

    “For years, Israel remained willing to do business with Iran, even though the mullahs in Tehran were screaming for an end to the ‘Zionist entity’.”

    At Israel’s inception Iran refused to publicly recognise Israel because of the anticipated Arab reaction – the Shah of Iran covertly supported Israel because he knew the creation of a non-Arab, pro-Western state in MENA could improve Iran’s security by absorbing attention and resources of the Arab states. Iran helped cultivate stronger Israeli-Iranian relations when they provided Iraqi Jews (whose neighbourhoods in Iraq were targeted by Israelis) with a safe passage way into Israel. In exchange for their support, Israel provided Iran with highly valued irrigation technologies which helped Iran’s economic growth. The Shah of Iran even ordered his ministries to hire Israeli consultants to cement the relationship with Israel. Former Israeli labour minister, Arieh Eliav said Israel trained over ten thousand Iranian agricultural experts.

    Iran kept most of its collaborations with Israel secret. To minimise the visibility of his dealings with Israel, the Shah had his interactions with Israel handled by Iran’s secret police – in 1957 the Iranian intelligence service established relations with the Israeli Mossad. The Iranian military and secret police operatives were secretly trained by Israeli intelligence officers in both Iran and Israel. Israel also trained four hundred Iranian pilots, paratroopers and artillery men and sold Iran high-tech military equipment. One Iranian ambassador even admitted the Mossad trained Iranians in torture and investigative interrogation methods as well.

    Whenever Iranians visit Israel, they visited Iran via Turkey without having their passports stamped upon arrival in Israel. To this day, Iranian Jews travel to Israel the same way – with the Iranian government’s approval. The deployment of Iranian diplomats in Israel was also kept secret. During the 70s six Iranian diplomats manned their Iranian secret mission in Israel but their records indicated that they were serving in Switzerland. The Iranian embassy in Israel was referred to as “Bern 2” in Iranian Foreign Ministry documents.

    Tensions between Arabs and Persians have deep historical roots. The scars of the Arab invasion in the 7th century and the Islamisation of Iran are still vivid; Iranians continue to pride themselves on successfully resisting the Arabisation of Iran. While Iran accepted Islam, much of Iran’s ethnic and cultural identity remained the same. Iran became an Islamic state, but not an Arab state which caused a lot of resentment from its Arab neighbours. Arabs believed themselves to be ethnically superior to Iranians; Persian antagonism is rooted in a sense of cultural supremacy.

    The Shah attempted to improve relations with Arabs by providing them with generous financial aid. In 1974 alone, the Shah granted $850 million in loans to Egypt, $7.4 million to Jordan, $30 million to Morocco and $150 million to Syria. “The Syrians needed (our oil) badly. We were actually buying their friendship with these kind of bribes. The Shah knew well we were not going to be good friends, but this could help” said Mehdi Ehsassi former Iranian deputy UN ambassador. Iran provided Sadat of Egypt a large shipment of oil, Iran also extended medical aide to Arabs and provided Saudi Arabia with Iranian pilots. Yet, Iran refused to join the Arab oil embargo against Israel and continued to supply Israel with oil throughout the conflict.

    Iraq was the “wild card” in the Israeli threat. Israel’s high ranking military man Lieutenant General Yitzhak Segev told Iran “Iraq was the real enemy of Israel”. The Iraqi threat to Israel and Iran made Israeli-Iranian cooperation more important. Israel has always supported Kurdish sovereignty which had long term visions well-beyond weakening Baghdad. Israel and Iran told Barzani (this clan is known by many Kurds as secretly Jewish) he could count on unconditional support from the Jewish state. The Mossad then trained many Kurdish fighters – Israel believed their interest with the Kurds was more important than the Iranians. Dressed in Kurdish traditional garments, the Iranian secret agency crossed the Iraqi border. Israel trained funded and armed Barzani’s forces to stage a rebellion against the Iraqi army. Iranian cooperation enabled a steady flow of Israeli arms, doctors and medical supplies. The Kurds were then defeated by the Iraqi army. The Shah told Iranian press agency

    “without our support they (the Kurds) wouldn’t last ten days against the Iraqis.”

    Iraq obtained Scud ballistic missiles, during the 70s Iraqi armament was increasing which led to one of the most secretive and controversial collaborations between Israel and Iran – Project Flower. Weizman emphasised to Iran Israel’s worries about the combined armies of Egypt, Syria and Iraq, he told Iran

    “The last thing we want and the last thing we need is war. You must remember that Egypt, Jordan, Syria are all around us, they possess over 5,000 tanks and over 1,300 fighting airplanes. Iraq can move in forty-eight hours with quite a force – I don’t want to go into strategy but you only have to look at the map and see what happens to a small country like ours if we go all the way back to the old borders without real security.”

    When Saddam invaded Iran – Iran appeared weak and an Iraqi victory would leave Israel in a far more vulnerable position. Although Iraq was flirting with the US, Iraq’s hostility towards Israel was of great concern to the Israelis – which is why Israel did all they could to ensure Iran won the war against Iraq. Former head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, David Kimche even said

    “Stopping Saddam was paramount, and if that meant going along with the request for arms by the Iranians that could prevent an Iraqi victory so be it. Our big hope was that the two sides would weaken each other to such an extent neither of them would be a threat to us.”

    In 1983, Reagen sent a secret Israeli officer to Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz offering to assist Iraq; however Aziz declined Israel’s proposition. Iraq refused to improve its relations with Israel which alarmed Israelis. Hassan Karoubi, a close friend of Khomeini’s favoured improved relations with Washington. Israel’s foreign minister agreed to Israel would serve as bridge between Iran and the West. Yitzhak Rabin even admitted

    “Iran is Israel’s best friend and we do not intend to change our position in relation to Tehran, because Khomeini’s regime will not last forever.”

    Iran needed its relationship with Israel as a platform to control and balance the Arab threat. Iran decided to befriend the Arabs via the anti-Israeli card to win acceptance by the Arabs. Israel was no threat to Iran; the religious leaders in Tehran believed they couldn’t win regional leadership without taking a stance against Israel. Iranians insist they never approached Israel for arms, all Israeli weapons possessed by Iran they claim came from black markets.

    “Iraq has built a very large army with over fifty divisions, the question remains whether they will be tempted to recapture its standing with the Arab world by attacking Israel” said Shimon Peres.

    The Syrian threat to Israel was non-existent. Hezbollah controlled by Iran was not a threat to Israel. Iraq was the biggest blockage against Iranian fundamentalist danger in the region. In a public interview on Israeli television, Rabin’s advisor said

    “Israel’s real enemy was Iraq and other Arab states, whereas Iran had every reason to be Israel’s friend. Iraq is getting stronger every day by acquiring chemical and non-conventional arms that threaten us. There is a reason to see to it that Iran can continue confronting and diverging the Iraqi forces…. Beyond that Iran has oil, Iran has Jews and all these are good reasons for renewal of connections with Iran, without any relation to the governing regime.”

    Even when Saddam hurled thirty-four Scud missiles at Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities, in an obvious attempt to lure Israel into the war, the United States told Israel “in the strongest possible words” that it need to keep itself out of Israeli retaliation because that would collapse Washington’s anti-Iraq alliance. Iran’s rearmament throughout the 1990s was primarily aimed at containing the Iraqi threat. Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait collapsed the threat Iraq posed to Israel and Iran, because Iraq was weakened and Pan-Arabism had lost its legitimacy.

    Once Iran had become a powerful player in the Middle East – some Israelis believed Iran’s power had become a threat to Israel. Later on Israeli head of military intelligence General Uri Saguy stated publicly that “Iran wasn’t a threat because its military program was aimed at its immediate Arab neighbours and not Israel.” Iran’s ambassador to UNESCO met with Israeli high-ranking Rabbi and reassured him

    “Iran is not Iraq and would never attack Israel.”

    Israel needed to paint Iran as a new bogey man by propagating exaggerated power of Iran’s military. This way the Arabs would be more inclined to make peace with Israel because of the threat of Iran’s fundamentalist government. Iran intensified its efforts to overcome differences with radical Palestinian groups to create a marriage of convenience between Iran and Islamic jihad.

    On one hand Israel was publicly working against Iran via the US and beneath the veil building a bridge which would later lead to strong US-Iranian relations that would eventually be strengthened by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Iran and Israel are allies, yet everybody claims Iran is the key ‘resistance axis’ in the region seeking to liberate Palestine from the Israeli occupation.

    Palestinians need to know nobody is going to liberate or save them, only they can save themselves – and their “cause” needs to be recognised globally as a humanitarian struggle.

    Do you think after all these years of long relations between Israel and Iran their relationship would suddenly be thrown into the sea for a Palestinian cause nobody really cares about just like that? It doesn’t matter what position people take in the Middle East, revolutions are infiltrated, politicians are bribed and blackmailed and ultimately everyone whose still breathing in the game of mines is only there either because they are secretly allied with Israel or Israel needs them to carry on playing the game. Iraq was destroyed for a lost non-existent, unworthy cause – the Arab cause… and all for nothing, everybody abandoned Iraq and walked out on her and that’s the way it’s supposed to be in the game of “survival of the fittest”. It doesn’t matter if you play the game dirty or clean, those who play clean always lose, and those who play dirty will be granted victory by the people who call the shots.

  • U Nderwater Glockenspiel

    Moon is made of green cheese, Tayyip declares.

    • Hind Abyad

      Tayyip at Ataturk Asylum..

  • zabada

    Avoid America advisers.They going to cheating you.That is their old school at the past.Know their history first,before make them a friend.America is driving Turkey in the war conflict.in order to defeat Israel enemies,by using Muslims.Than they will sleep peacefully with their wife and wash their hand.Turkey must stay neutral.Hear me.I m loyal adviser.,America is not.They are cheaters.

  • Igor Chingoski

    The Phoenicians discovered Amerca, Bretaña, Ibisa, Crete (Kriti) Cartage (Kadash-Hat) Asbania (Spain or Land of the rabbits) Paris (Son of Europa) the whole Mediterranean added to America in fact the Natives waited for those traders who came by the Sea, The Phoenicians invented Currency, the Alphabet Astronomical Navigation and interest rates along with a Banking System. But some now days Plagiarize History stealing Heritage and attributing themselves merits that correspond to other groups who really achieved something, The Phoenicians where the first Navigators in this World, the rest Pirates with a mediocre skill of killing and stealing, and things haven’t changed a bit. Erdogan is an idiot with complex of inferiority, He is an international ridicule along with those who claim it was the Vikings, Don’t make Me laugh IMBECILES!

  • Andre

    Were they Shia or Sunni 😉