In trial of Hariri killers, a rare hope for justice in Lebanon

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Like so many others before it and after, the earth-rattling car bomb that took the life of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri on a downtown Beirut street in 2005 produced an endless stream of recrimination.

No sooner had the smoke cleared than accusations and counter-accusations began. International intrigue emerged. Catching the culprits soon seemed beside the point.

But the story of Haririโ€™s killing will take a highly unusual turn Thursday, one that sets it apart from all other recent violence in the Middle East.

In a suburban Dutch courthouse, far from the political and sectarian fault lines of Lebanon, an international tribunal will begin hearing evidence in the trial of four men who have been charged in absentia with Haririโ€™s murder.

For Haririโ€™s family and for prosecutors, it will be a rare and hard-won opportunity to seek justice in a court of law. Prosecutors say they have built an intricate case that uses cellphone records to tie the four men โ€” all of whom are allegedly supporters of the militant Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah โ€” directly to the attack and subsequent cover-up.

They plan to call as many as 500 witnesses, including survivors and relatives of the victims, in a case that could stretch a year or more and has already cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

โ€œWhat the Special Tribunal for Lebanon is doing is sending a message of accountability, however small,โ€ said Marten Youssef, the tribunalโ€™s spokesman. โ€œWeโ€™re responding to the Lebanese peopleโ€™s desire for an end to impunity.โ€

But prosecutors also face a daunting challenge in trying to keep the trial separate from a political context that has only become more poisoned and violent in the nine years since Haririโ€™s killing.

As the Syrian civil war spills westward into Lebanon, tit-for-tat attacks in the streets of Beirut have become increasingly common, with one late last month claiming the life of a Hariri ally, former finance minister Mohamad Chatah.

The process of bringing the Hariri case to trial has been politicized from the start, with Hezbollah condemning the tribunal as an Israeli and Western conspiracy. Hezbollah, which is the dominant political player in Lebanon, denies any role in Haririโ€™s killing and has blamed it on Israel.

The group has vowed to block any attempt to apprehend the four defendants, whose whereabouts are unknown. A fifth suspect is being tried separately, also in absentia, making these the first international criminal trials since Nuremberg in which the defendants will not be present.

The reality that none of the defendants are likely to be punished, even if they are found guilty, is just one of many factors that makes the trial unusual. Another is the origin of the Special Tribunal for Lebanon, which was set up as a hybrid creation of the United Nations and the Lebanese government in 2009 โ€” over Hezbollahโ€™s vehement objections.

Hariri, a Sunni businessman who served two tours as prime minister in the 1990s and the early 2000s, was an implacable Hezbollah foe. Several leading figures in Lebanonโ€™s pro-Western, anti-Hezbollah bloc, known as the March 14 Alliance, intend to attend the trialโ€™s opening on Thursday. They include Haririโ€™s son Saad, who is also a former prime minister.

While March 14 has pushed for other assassinations and acts of violence to be included in the tribunalโ€™s mandate โ€” including Chatahโ€™s murder โ€” the focus has so far been limited largely to the Feb. 14, 2005, attack that killed Hariri and 22 others.

โ€œThe jurisdiction is focused on a specific incident. Thatโ€™s not common for international tribunals, which usually deal with mass atrocities,โ€ said Misa Zgonec-Rozej, an international law expert at the London-based Chatham House.

Hezbollah has pointed to that inconsistency as evidence the West is pursuing selective justice, prosecuting Hezbollah backers while ignoring attacks against the groupโ€™s Beirut strongholds that are widely believed to have been carried out by radical Sunni groups.

Julien Barnes-Dacey, a fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said the trial is unlikely to have any moderating influence on Hezbollahโ€™s behavior at a time when the group is fighting what it regards as an existential battle in both Syria and Lebanon.

โ€œThe trial is detached from the reality of what is happening on a day-to-day basis in Lebanon, which is that political violence continues, Hezbollah remains a major player and this legal process wonโ€™t be able to impose itself on the facts on the ground,โ€ he said.

Even backers of the tribunal say they have limited expectations. They also acknowledge that it could stir up tensions in a country already perilously close to being consumed by the Syrian war next door.

โ€œWill this have a transformational effect? No. Will it lead to short and medium-term complications? Yes,โ€ said Emile Hokayem, a Middle East analyst with the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

But Hokayem said the potential benefits canโ€™t be so easily dismissed in a country where the lack of accountability for past crimes often leads to future violence.

โ€œAll this needs to be weighed against the complaint that in Lebanon, no political crime is ever properly dealt with,โ€ he said. โ€œIf you donโ€™t have a trial, the signal youโ€™re sending is that thereโ€™s no hope of justice.โ€

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624 responses to “In trial of Hariri killers, a rare hope for justice in Lebanon”

  1. The beginning of the end for Hezbollah.

    1. And who is going to fight Israel the next time it invades Lebanon???? You from the SKY bar!!!! NOT.

      1. The Lebanese Army.

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          …some guy

          All my angry birds :)P

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            ๐Ÿ™‚ Honest politicians can’t survive.

        2. The Lebanese Army needs help and support, the resistance is the only answer to threats from Israel and Syria.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your resistance is Syria you turkey.

          2. You resistance from what you A$$..

      2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
        Maborlz Ez-Hari

        My foreskin will do a better job than your Hassan.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          Better keep that area clean, before you know it will get infected and your pecker could fall off.

          1. haha he just have foreskin no pecker …..

          2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Only in the colder months.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hohohohohohoho (actually one of the first lessons)(from good parents)

      3. You Lebanese give yourselves way too much credit.

        When PLO rats in the 70s used Lebanon to launch attacks on Israeli cities, Israel finally decided to go in and do clean up. That was the only reason for the Israeli operation, whether you like it or not.

        2006 started when hezbushaitan killed Israeli soldiers on the border (captured 2) and shot rockets at Israeli cities as a diversion.

        Cant go attacking other countries then cry like a victim.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          Blah blah blah, everyone always starts it and you guys finish it, right? Give me a break you zionist fanatic. Everything Israel does is in self defense and never is the aggressor, wow! You still think people buy that? Poor little israel surrounded by the enemy and only wants to live in peace, yeah right! You’re not fooling anyone here, go peddle that crap on CNN, Jpost, or Ynet. I’m sure you’ll find some people to eat it up.

          cook2long, lets not lecture about playing victim. The zionist have perfected that better than any other people in the world. They still play victim with one of the strongest air force in the world (thanks to the US)

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          2. man-o-war Avatar

            Awww, did you get your feelings hurt? I guess that makes you the number one “infraction” for the angel of death. May Sharon (angel of death) rest in piss!

          3. Yasser Arafart beat him to it

          4. man-o-war Avatar

            Possibly, maybe you can tell us when he comes back to you at night for his weekly “infraction”.
            You’re right, I’m getting carried away here and just smack talking. My apologies, I should have more respect for the dead. May he rest in peace (not piss), while rotting away in hell!

          5. Insult all you want, everyone to their views.

            Machete will replace Sharon, Lady Gaga is his new sidekick in the new movie

          6. finishing a war somebody else started is hardly playing victims is it?

          7. man-o-war Avatar

            Everyone else always starts it, but never Israel! I got it, thanks doron.

          8. Why are you so critical of Israel?

            When you see palestinians have been killed and deported in the tens of thousands in Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc, why only blame Israel? cant you see something isnt right when the palestinians are fighting everyone?

          9. man-o-war Avatar

            The reason I’m so critical of Israel is because of posters like you. I hate the we are the “chosen people” mentality. I hate your belittling and constant insults against the Palestinians, many of who are innocent victims caught in a cruel game. I hate the might is right way of thinking.

            I don’t support the settler movement at the expense of the innocent people already living there. I hate the fact that you and doron can move from Iran and Iraq to live in Israel, but Palestinians are not allowed to move to Israel or the West Bank. I hate how you gave Gaza back to the palestinians and when they held democratic elections you didn’t recognize their leadership and began an inhumane blockade on their people (Egypt is also guilty of supporting this) as a form of collective punishment.

            I hate that when Israel attacks Lebanon while going after HA they also attack civilian infrastructure, because they run out of HA targets. I hate that they feel they can violate our airspace on a daily basis and nobody has a right to act, or they will claim they are the victim and attack us.

            I hate that Israel has neutered our military so that they are impotent when it comes to defending our homeland. Then you accuse them of not doing enough to stop HA, what a joke!

            I could probably go on for a bit longer, but why?

          10. (brb dinner, ill read your post in a bit)

          11. 1) Ive heard more non-Jews using the “chosen people” term than ive heard Jews say it. Perhaps there are Jews who believe it and openly spew that garbage, I dont know. Either way, im not even semitic, my race has nothing to do with this Jew vs. Arab thing, only my political views have me involved.

            2) There are innocent people everywhere, in most places the public dont care about politics. Whats your point?

            3) Listen, most of these settlements were Jewish areas prior to 1948. Thousands of Jews and dozens of synagogues were destroyed in east Jerusalem by the Jordanian army. Why cant the Jews move back to their ancient communities? Hebron, Bethlehem, Jericho, Jerusalem (which has never been divided) .. Jews have always lived here. Today the land is disputed.

            4) Hamas is a terrorist organization. Are you seriously blaming Israel? after they got elected they throw their Fatah opponents off buildings. The blockade started because of rocket attacks, 15,000 rockets fired so far. THIS is why I tremble at the idea of a palestinian state, itll be another Gaza with rockets targeting Tel Aviv every day – not even necessarily by palestinians, but whatever jihadi garbage thatll come from the Jordan Valley.

            5) Yes, Israel did intentionally target Lebanese infrastructure. I dont know why.

          12. man-o-war Avatar

            1. ok, thats fine, you asked why I’m critical of Israel. That’s one of the reasons
            2. I care and feel for the plight of any innocent people caught in warfare. Once again you asked why I’m critical of Israel. I don’t like what’s happening to the innocent in Syria or what happened to the innocent victims in Egypt. Or the innocent people killed in suicide attacks in Israel. I do care!
            3. Why can’t the Palestinians move to their homes and land in Israel? Why can you move to Haifa, but they can’t? Why can’t they move back to their communities in Jerusalem? The Palestinians have also always lived there. You can’t prove they haven’t.
            4. Elements within Hamas have committed terrible crimes against the Israelis and their own people. Agreed, but the Israelis have also committed terrible crimes against the Palestinians. I personally think that Israel knew that the Palis would elect Hamas when they left Gaza, they thought they would show the world what would happen if they gave land back to the Palestinians. In return they could blockade Gaza and make the people suffer. Nobody could do anything about it, because Israel would always be able to point at Hamas and say look who they elected. They could use them to in effect justify their actions against the Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Warrant less home invasions, home destruction, and indefinite detention, all they had to say was they were looking for Hamas members.
            5. Israel is notorious for using collective punishment (illegal under international law), that is why. It rarely ever works though, it only makes more and new enemies.

          13. 2. The palestinians get 25 times more aid per capita than what the U.S. spent on rebuilding Europe after the Second World War. The West Bank is filled with money all over the place! The bad condition is also because the PA steals BILLIONS of this aid and hides it in Swiss bank accounts, and also they use this money for incitement and propaganda against Israel. 90% of their existence is on free handouts. With all respect to those who do suffer, but really, if in general thats oppression, then id love to be oppressed.

            3) You have a point regarding why east Jerusalem Jews returning but not Arabs. But this impression is there because when assessing the Jewish exodus from Arab countries as a whole, the vast majority of the 850,000 Jews who were deported from around the Middle East were done so by force; there was no war or anything where its natural for people to flee by themselves. They were literally forced to leave. With the Arab refugees, a lot of the fleeing was because there’s a war going on, a war Arab governments started. So yeah, on the whole you cant compare fleeing a war and being deported regardless of surroundings.

            4) Israel can easily crush Hamas, but for years Id wonder why on earth they dont finish the job. Every time they go to Gaza, crush tons of terrorists and rocket launchers, but refuse to carry on. My current impression is that keeping Gaza and the West Bank divided makes a palestinian state more complicated.

            5) lol

          14. i lost a small fortune on israeli stock market that day man-o-war, we never expected it and i can testify first hand

          15. the chosen people is not what you guys belive it is.
            it’s not meant as chosen to be superior to other nations but chosen to cary the task of being a becon of light to nations being the first to accept the one god
            it’s more of a burden then privilage..this is how it’s written

          16. man-o-war Avatar

            I understand the meaning, but it is used by some zionist to defend their right to usurp the Palestinian areas.

          17. pfft lol its disputed areas, palestine never existed

          18. man-o-war Avatar

            Maybe not as a modern day nation and neither did Israel, but an area called Palestine did exist and has so for a very long time. People that lived there were Jews, Christians, and Muslims (once they reached area).

          19. an area yes, a nation never and the people we call palis today has nothing in common with these people..just saying

          20. man-o-war Avatar

            Can you explain how you’re so sure they have nothing in common with these people? I mean can’t it be possible that some Christians and Muslims (converts) have lived there for just as long as the Jews that you guys claim have lived there since the beginning of time. Also, what connection does a Jew that is born in the US to a family that has been there for over a century, and those family members were born to immigrants from Europe have to the Ancient Israelites?

          21. A Jew from the U.S. doesnt have more right to go there. But the thing is, at least the Jews admit theyre mostly immigrants. Masses and masses of Arabs from transjordan, Egypt and Syria immigrated to palestine for economic reasons, but their descendants today dont admit this, and thats whats wrong.

            “The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zi0nist pioneers in the 1880’s, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained “The Holy Land” in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants – both Jewish and Arab. The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts… Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen… The plows used were of wood… The yields were very poor… The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible… Schools did not exist… The rate of infant mortality was very high… The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert… The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants”.

            – The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913 –

          22. man-o-war Avatar

            Israel Zangwill

            “Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem
            is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two
            souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ….. [We] must be prepared
            either to drive out by the sword the [Arab] tribes in possession as our
            forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly
            Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us.” , 1905

            “It is true that in promising Palestine to the Jews our statesmen exhibited as reckless a disregard of the existence of the six hundred thousand Arabs .”, 1920

          23. He never said those 600k Arabs are indigenous. If your point of that quote is to say that there were radical Jews, then sure of course there were.

          24. man-o-war Avatar

            My point is that your previous quote by the British Royal Commission in 1913 was just not true. It wasn’t a barren thinly populated land. Maybe the desert was, but thats still true today.

          25. To be honest, I simply dont know, I wasnt there. But why dyou think some opinion of a radical Jew is more reliable?

          26. man-o-war Avatar

            I don’t know either, I wasn’t there. I chose him because he was a zionist and admitted that the land was populated and not a barren thinly populated land. I always like to read different news sources, like Jpost, Haaretz, and Ynet. I feel like the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

          27. A lot of these ultra orthodox religious radicals are in the West Bank. For god sake I dont want them around in Haifa, theyre the ugliest sight the few times ive been in western Jerusalem.

          28. In 1902, Zangwill wrote that Palestine “remains at this moment an almost uninhabited, forsaken and ruined Turkish territory”

          29. man-o-war Avatar

            Correct, but then in 1905 he corrected himself. I guess he realized he’d been lied to. When he saw with his own eyes he changed his story.

          30. we have our history, landscape written about, we got archiological proofs for batels fought ,described in the bible, we have our language palis have nothing of that.
            infact the name of palestine is from the greek word to describe everything that is beyond “pleshet” which was the coastal area
            original “plishtim” are described as tall fierce redheads..do you see any similarity between them and nowadays palistinians?

          31. I dont mind Arabs being in Israel, but I just hate the whole “we brown people are indigenous oppressed palestinians bla bla bla” BS when its a fact that masses of Arabs immigrated there same time as the Jews did.

          32. the only problem i have is with the ones denying my right to be here.
            PLO/hamas/ jihadi front/hizbollah who’s purpose is to send me “back to russia” infuriate me.
            i’m from iraqi origin and they want me to go to russia lol, i’d freeze to death there

          33. Its anti-Semitism. As soon as I mention im not Jewish, the tone of hostility suddenly goes down.

          34. yeah..hypocracy..
            got to crush now, taking the dogs to vet early in morning
            good night now

          35. layla tov

          36. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Crook2halfsick.

          37. More poetic words from Hind. man2’ashek 3anjad ye3ne (sarcasm)

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            The Bible is not a History book, i hope you know that:)

          39. No it was written by blind/deaf people who somehow managed to ignore their surroundings and the mentality of that time *voice dripping with sarcasm*

          40. man-o-war Avatar

            I appreciate that the ancient Israelites lived there and there is archaelogical proof that they inhabited the region. However, you can’t connect them to the Israeli settlers moving from the US and European countries. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but who’s to say that the Israeli archaeologist haven’t ignored, destroyed, or overlooked the Palestinian (Arab, Philistines, Cannanites, what ever you want to call them, basically non-Jews) presence during their discoveries. It could destroy years of their work, and force them to share their history with the Palestinians. I’m not saying this happened, but I wouldn’t put it past some.

          41. man-o-war Avatar

            I appreciate that the ancient Israelites lived there and there is archaelogical proof that they inhabited the region. However, you can’t connect them to the Israeli settlers moving from the US and European countries. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but who’s to say that the Israeli archaeologist haven’t ignored, destroyed, or overlooked the Palestinian (Arab, Philistines, Cannanites, what ever you want to call them, basically non-Jews) presence during their discoveries. It could destroy years of their work, and force them to share their history with the Palestinians. I’m not saying this happened, but I wouldn’t put it past some.

          42. Sure, but the word “disputed” is used in the legal sense, so obz the previous political status of the territory is what im referring to.

          43. as cooki said, it is used way more by jew haters.
            i only use it to make haters lose their tempe :)))
            looking down on people realy brings the worst out of them

          44. we fired first at 1967 and second in the other ones.
            on retro spect, i wish we fired the first one on all of them

  2. The beginning of the end for Hezbollah.

    1. And who is going to fight Israel the next time it invades Lebanon???? You from the SKY bar!!!! NOT.

      1. The Lebanese Army.

        1. All my angry birds :)P

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            ๐Ÿ™‚ Honest politicians can’t survive.

        2. The Lebanese Army needs help and support, the resistance is the only answer to threats from Israel and Syria.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your resistance is Syria you turkey.

          2. You resistance from what you A$$..

      2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
        Maborlz Ez-Hari

        My foreskin will do a better job than your Hassan.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          Better keep that area clean, before you know it will get infected and your pecker could fall off.

          1. haha he just have foreskin no pecker …..

          2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Only in the colder months.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hohohohohohoho (actually one of the first lessons)

      3. cook2half Avatar

        You Lebanese give yourselves way too much credit.

        When PLO rats in the 70s used Lebanon to launch attacks on Israeli cities, Israel finally decided to go in and do clean up. That was the only reason for the Israeli operation, whether you like it or not.

        2006 started when hezbushaitan killed Israeli soldiers on the border (captured 2) and shot rockets at Israeli cities as a diversion.

        Cant go attacking other countries then cry like a victim.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          Blah blah blah, everyone always starts it and you guys finish it, right? Give me a break you zionist fanatic. Everything Israel does is in self defense and never is the aggressor, wow! You still think people buy that? Poor little israel surrounded by the enemy and only wants to live in peace, yeah right! You’re not fooling anyone here, go peddle that crap on CNN, Jpost, or Ynet. I’m sure you’ll find some people to eat it up.

          cook2long, lets not lecture about playing victim. The zionist have perfected that better than any other people in the world. They still play victim with one of the strongest air force in the world (thanks to the US)

          1. cook2half Avatar

            zzzzzz

            man-full-o-shiiit, anyone shooting rockets at the Holy Land gets sent to hell, and the angel of death looks very much like Sharon

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            Awww, did you get your feelings hurt? I guess that makes you the number one ball juggler for the angel of death. May Sharon (angel of death) rest in piss!

          3. cook2half Avatar

            Yasser Arafart beat him to it

          4. man-o-war Avatar

            Possibly, maybe you can tell us when he comes back to you at night for his weekly pleasuring.
            You’re right, I’m getting carried away here and just smack talking. My apologies, I should have more respect for the dead. May he rest in peace (not piss), while rotting away in hell!

          5. cook2half Avatar

            Insult all you want, everyone to their views.

            Machete will replace Sharon, Lady Gaga is his new sidekick in the new movie

          6. finishing a war somebody else started is hardly playing victims is it?

          7. man-o-war Avatar

            Everyone else always starts it, but never Israel! I got it, thanks doron.

          8. cook2half Avatar

            Why are you so critical of Israel?

            When you see palestinians have been killed and deported in the tens of thousands in Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc, why only blame Israel? cant you see something isnt right when the palestinians are fighting everyone?

          9. man-o-war Avatar

            The reason I’m so critical of Israel is because of posters like you. I hate the we are the “chosen people” mentality. I hate your belittling and constant insults against the Palestinians, many of who are innocent victims caught in a cruel game. I hate the might is right way of thinking.

            I don’t support the settler movement at the expense of the innocent people already living there. I hate the fact that you and doron can move from Iran and Iraq to live in Israel, but Palestinians are not allowed to move to Israel or the West Bank. I hate how you gave Gaza back to the palestinians and when they held democratic elections you didn’t recognize their leadership and began an inhumane blockade on their people (Egypt is also guilty of supporting this) as a form of collective punishment.

            I hate that when Israel attacks Lebanon while going after HA they also attack civilian infrastructure, because they run out of HA targets. I hate that they feel they can violate our airspace on a daily basis and nobody has a right to act, or they will claim they are the victim and attack us.

            I hate that Israel has neutered our military so that they are impotent when it comes to defending our homeland. Then you accuse them of not doing enough to stop HA, what a joke!

            I could probably go on for a bit longer, but why?

          10. cook2half Avatar

            (brb dinner, ill read your post in a bit)

          11. cook2half Avatar

            1) Ive heard more non-Jews using the “chosen people” term than ive heard Jews say it. Perhaps there are Jews who believe it and openly spew that garbage, I dont know. Either way, im not even semitic, my race has nothing to do with this Jew vs. Arab thing, only my political views have me involved.

            2) There are innocent people everywhere, in most places the public dont care about politics. Whats your point?

            3) Listen, most of these settlements were Jewish areas prior to 1948. Thousands of Jews and dozens of synagogues were destroyed in east Jerusalem by the Jordanian army. Why cant the Jews move back to their ancient communities? Hebron, Bethlehem, Jericho, Jerusalem (which has never been divided) .. Jews have always lived here. Today the land is disputed.

            4) Hamas is a terrorist organization. Are you seriously blaming Israel? after they got elected they throw their Fatah opponents off buildings. The blockade started because of rocket attacks, 15,000 rockets fired so far. THIS is why I tremble at the idea of a palestinian state, itll be another Gaza with rockets targeting Tel Aviv every day – not even necessarily by palestinians, but whatever jihadi garbage thatll come from the Jordan Valley.

            5) Yes, Israel did intentionally target Lebanese infrastructure. I dont know why.

          12. man-o-war Avatar

            1. ok, thats fine, you asked why I’m critical of Israel. That’s one of the reasons
            2. I care and feel for the plight of any innocent people caught in warfare. Once again you asked why I’m critical of Israel. I don’t like what’s happening to the innocent in Syria or what happened to the innocent victims in Egypt. Or the innocent people killed in suicide attacks in Israel. I do care!
            3. Why can’t the Palestinians move to their homes and land in Israel? Why can you move to Haifa, but they can’t? Why can’t they move back to their communities in Jerusalem? The Palestinians have also always lived there. You can’t prove they haven’t.
            4. Elements within Hamas have committed terrible crimes against the Israelis and their own people. Agreed, but the Israelis have also committed terrible crimes against the Palestinians. I personally think that Israel knew that the Palis would elect Hamas when they left Gaza, they thought they would show the world what would happen if they gave land back to the Palestinians. In return they could blockade Gaza and make the people suffer. Nobody could do anything about it, because Israel would always be able to point at Hamas and say look who they elected. They could use them to in effect justify their actions against the Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Warrant less home invasions, home destruction, and indefinite detention, all they had to say was they were looking for Hamas members.
            5. Israel is notorious for using collective punishment (illegal under international law), that is why. It rarely ever works though, it only makes more and new enemies.

          13. cook2half Avatar

            2. The palestinians get 25 times more aid per capita than what the U.S. spent on rebuilding Europe after the Second World War. The West Bank is filled with money all over the place! The bad condition is also because the PA steals BILLIONS of this aid and hides it in Swiss bank accounts, and also they use this money for incitement and propaganda against Israel. 90% of their existence is on free handouts. With all respect to those who do suffer, but really, if in general thats oppression, then id love to be oppressed.

            3) You have a point regarding why east Jerusalem Jews returning but not Arabs. But this impression is there because when assessing the Jewish exodus from Arab countries as a whole, the vast majority of the 850,000 Jews who were deported from around the Middle East were done so by force; there was no war or anything where its natural for people to flee by themselves. They were literally forced to leave. With the Arab refugees, a lot of the fleeing was because there’s a war going on, a war Arab governments started. So yeah, on the whole you cant compare fleeing a war and being deported regardless of surroundings.

            4) Israel can easily crush Hamas, but for years Id wonder why on earth they dont finish the job. Every time they go to Gaza, crush tons of terrorists and rocket launchers, but refuse to carry on. My current impression is that keeping Gaza and the West Bank divided makes a palestinian state more complicated.

            5) lol

          14. i lost a small fortune on israeli stock market that day man-o-war, we never expected it and i can testify first hand

          15. the chosen people is not what you guys belive it is.
            it’s not meant as chosen to be superior to other nations but chosen to cary the task of being a becon of light to nations being the first to accept the one god
            it’s more of a burden then privilage..this is how it’s written

          16. man-o-war Avatar

            I understand the meaning, but it is used by some zionist to defend their right to usurp the Palestinian areas.

          17. cook2half Avatar

            pfft lol its disputed areas, palestine never existed

          18. man-o-war Avatar

            Maybe not as a modern day nation and neither did Israel, but an area called Palestine did exist and has so for a very long time. People that lived there were Jews, Christians, and Muslims (once they reached area).

          19. an area yes, a nation never and the people we call palis today has nothing in common with these people..just saying

          20. man-o-war Avatar

            Can you explain how you’re so sure they have nothing in common with these people? I mean can’t it be possible that some Christians and Muslims (converts) have lived there for just as long as the Jews that you guys claim have lived there since the beginning of time. Also, what connection does a Jew that is born in the US to a family that has been there for over a century, and those family members were born to immigrants from Europe have to the Ancient Israelites?

          21. cook2half Avatar

            A Jew from the U.S. doesnt have more right to go there. But the thing is, at least the Jews admit theyre mostly immigrants. Masses and masses of Arabs from transjordan, Egypt and Syria immigrated to palestine for economic reasons, but their descendants today dont admit this, and thats whats wrong.

            “The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zi0nist pioneers in the 1880’s, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained “The Holy Land” in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants – both Jewish and Arab. The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts… Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen… The plows used were of wood… The yields were very poor… The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible… Schools did not exist… The rate of infant mortality was very high… The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert… The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants”.

            – The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913 –

          22. man-o-war Avatar

            Israel Zangwill

            “Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem
            is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two
            souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ….. [We] must be prepared
            either to drive out by the sword the [Arab] tribes in possession as our
            forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly
            Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us.” , 1905

            “It is true that in promising Palestine to the Jews our statesmen exhibited as reckless a disregard of the existence of the six hundred thousand Arabs .”, 1920

          23. cook2half Avatar

            He never said those 600k Arabs are indigenous. If your point of that quote is to say that there were radical Jews, then sure of course there were.

          24. man-o-war Avatar

            My point is that your previous quote by the British Royal Commission in 1913 was just not true. It wasn’t a barren thinly populated land. Maybe the desert was, but thats still true today.

          25. cook2half Avatar

            To be honest, I simply dont know, I wasnt there. But why dyou think some opinion of a radical Jew is more reliable?

          26. man-o-war Avatar

            I don’t know either, I wasn’t there. I chose him because he was a zionist and admitted that the land was populated and not a barren thinly populated land. I always like to read different news sources, like Jpost, Haaretz, and Ynet. I feel like the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

          27. cook2half Avatar

            A lot of these ultra orthodox religious radicals are in the West Bank. For god sake I dont want them around in Haifa, theyre the ugliest sight the few times ive been in western Jerusalem.

          28. In 1902, Zangwill wrote that Palestine “remains at this moment an almost uninhabited, forsaken and ruined Turkish territory”

          29. man-o-war Avatar

            Correct, but then in 1905 he corrected himself. I guess he realized he’d been lied to. When he saw with his own eyes he changed his story.

          30. we have our history, landscape written about, we got archiological proofs for batels fought ,described in the bible, we have our language palis have nothing of that.
            infact the name of palestine is from the greek word to describe everything that is beyond “pleshet” which was the coastal area
            original “plishtim” are described as tall fierce redheads..do you see any similarity between them and nowadays palistinians?

          31. cook2half Avatar

            I dont mind Arabs being in Israel, but I just hate the whole “we brown people are indigenous oppressed palestinians bla bla bla” BS when its a fact that masses of Arabs immigrated there same time as the Jews did.

          32. the only problem i have is with the ones denying my right to be here.
            PLO/hamas/ jihadi front/hizbollah who’s purpose is to send me “back to russia” infuriate me.
            i’m from iraqi origin and they want me to go to russia lol, i’d freeze to death there

          33. cook2half Avatar

            Its anti-Semitism. As soon as I mention im not Jewish, the tone of hostility suddenly goes down.

          34. yeah..hypocracy..
            got to crush now, taking the dogs to vet early in morning
            good night now

          35. cook2half Avatar

            layla tov

          36. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Crook2halfsick.

          37. cook2half Avatar

            More poetic words from Hind. man2’ashek 3anjad ye3ne (sarcasm)

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            The Bible is not a History book, i hope you know that:)

          39. cook2half Avatar

            No it was written by blind/deaf people who somehow managed to ignore their surroundings and the mentality of that time *voice dripping with sarcasm*

          40. man-o-war Avatar

            I appreciate that the ancient Israelites lived there and there is archaelogical proof that they inhabited the region. However, you can’t connect them to the Israeli settlers moving from the US and European countries. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but who’s to say that the Israeli archaeologist haven’t ignored, destroyed, or overlooked the Palestinian (Arab, Philistines, Cannanites, what ever you want to call them, basically non-Jews) presence during their discoveries. It could destroy years of their work, and force them to share their history with the Palestinians. I’m not saying this happened, but I wouldn’t put it past some.

          41. cook2half Avatar

            Sure, but the word “disputed” is used in the legal sense, so obz the previous political status of the territory is what im referring to.

          42. as cooki said, it is used way more by jew haters.
            i only use it to make haters lose their tempe :)))
            looking down on people realy brings the worst out of them

          43. we fired first at 1967 and second in the other ones.
            on retro spect, i wish we fired the first one on all of them

  3. 2014 is starting to be a very good year, Hezbollah soldiers dying in Syria, FSA defeating Al-Queda, Ariel Sharon dead after wasting the hospitals electricity for 8 years, and now this bastard Nasrallah will live to see the end of his preposterous organization.

    1. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      It all does sound good Beiruti.
      Lets also hope that the war in syria ends, that region gets divided into 5 different states as planned and the Lebanese who follow these different syrian sects can move and live in those enclaves as they have been historically. Then we will all be happy little vegemites!

      1. Hind Abyad Avatar
        Hind Abyad

        Admitting the Zionist plan for Syria? It all sounds good?
        Researchers considered Syria as THE country in the Midlle East were mosaic of sects
        live in peace and harmony, what you discribe, is in 1982 Oded Yinon Plan for Greater Israel. So you admit this tragedy is Evil man made Chaos by the West Israel and Wahabi Rats. You omit mentioning also parts of Lebanon, you devil.

        1. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          After doing my own research, syria is the most uncivilised, place in the middle east. syria and israel planned together the destruction of Lebanon so that they can both have all the glory that Lebanon had in its history and modern times. Lebanon was the first to have all the sects living in harmony before syria and the palestinians came in and destroyed it. The only reason syria had it good, was only because you had no freedom and you would be locked up if you were a free thinker. Now you claim that syria held that title. syria is nothing and will always be nothing. We, the Lebanese are everything. syria is nothing without the Lebanese. We opened them up to the world, and that is despite our civil war. They do not even have a cuisine, them and the Israelis try to claim Lebanese food as their cuisine. Well, they can go and get stuffed. The Lebanese are the superior race in the middle east, and we will always be. The rest are just beneath us!
          What’s your response now hind? and please don’t givel me that Mar Maroon’s skull is in syria as an answer.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Id like to know if Hind is Syrian or Lebanese she sounds too intelligent to be Syrian but is not quite Lebanese calibre. A lot of what leborigine posted I have been told the same by Syrians. Shlornark Akhee? Terrible honestly.

          2. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Hey Maborlz, I usually do not boast like this and most of my comments are just fair play. But syrians are absolutely ridiculous. I have only met one good syrian in my life from out of a thousand. Mind you, I have relatives there. They are pathetic. I have seriously never met such a pathetic people. During the days of hafez in the 80’s, I travelled there quite a bit for work, so I know what I am talking about. I dealt with a few educated syrians and they were enclosed. I mean what do you expect being raised and taught in a socialist system that is similar to communism and you are not allowed to think for yourself. No freedom of speech and the government rationed even the basic necessities.
            The workers used to tell me that they invented shifty, and they taught the Lebanese how to be shifty!! I used to look at them and just smile, and thought to myself, you guys have never been outside syria and have no idea what you are talking about. They are draweesh, that’s what the system made them into. A Lebanese would have stripped them from there clothes before they even said hi!

          3. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            They are many moons behind. Poor buggers call condoms Hafez el ayrrr. Very simple Neanderthals they are.

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Help the Civilised against terrorists.

          5. Bravo Hind, more cherry picking. Here’s what Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) executive committee member Zahir Muhsain told the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

            “The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.

            Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.”

            We can all cherry pick quotes. Want more?

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, make a fool of yourself ..this place is not for Scholars. Bye

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Why are the shortest guys always the worst? :-))))

          8. man-o-war Avatar

            Take it easy 5th, he’s just a kid ; )

          9. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I meant the one holding the gun up โ€ฆ but yes, aren’t they all? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          10. man-o-war Avatar

            I know, just joking around. Napoleon complex?

          11. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Usually, I think โ€ฆ :-))))
            The ‘shades’ are a dead give-away. :-)))

          12. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Nice people..the Zionists

          13. Very

          14. Say that to 10 year old suicide bombers in Afghanistan if you think “kids” are an exception when fighting terror.

          15. man-o-war Avatar

            I think Afghanistan is an exception, they are probably running out of adult suicide bombers. Has there been any child suicide bombers in Palestine? If not, increase the oppression and maybe they too will run out and turn to children. Anyway, the ten year old was tricked by her terrorist older brother. The child turned herself in and didn’t want to be returned to her family.

          16. No, it doesnt happen often for a kid in the West Bank to commit terrorism. But when on few occasions it does, the lefty scumbag media make it look as if it happens allllllllllll the time and why Israel goes after children.

            No one is born a terrorist, its all brainwashing.

          17. “Under the principles of Islamic law, young children are exempt from carrying out the responsibilities of Islam. The Islamic Emirate, in adhering to this principle, also does not allow such children to take part in armed conflict. The truth is that the fronts of the Mujahideen against the illegitimate regime of Karzai are full of the brave youth of Afghanistan and the Islamic Emirate has no need to recruit children for this task.

            In the same manner that the Islamic Emirate considers the recruitment of children for armed conflict as contrary to the laws of war, similarly it also considers the use of children for propaganda purposes to be against all principles of morality and human dignity. In this light the Islamic Emirate strongly condemns the intelligence agents of Karzai’s regime for taking advantage of children and using their innocence in order to defame the Mujahideen.

            The claim that the ten year old girl from Helmand was recruited by her brother, with the agreement of her parents, to become a suicide bomber is a complete fabrication and has no reality at all. When news of this accusation spread the Islamic Emirate requested the local Islamic Emirate authorities in Helmand to conduct an investigation into the incident. After conducting a thorough investigation our local authorities informed us that this incident has no reality. Moreover they informed us that in the entire province of Helmand there is no Taliban commander by the name of Zahir. They confirmed that the Islamic Emirate in Helmand has never allowed anyone to recruit children for the purposes of carrying out attacks. Even the Karzai regime’s officials in Helmand have stated to the media that there are severe inconsistencies in the girl’s account. They are still investigating the specifics of this incident.”

          18. Thanks.

          19. man-o-war Avatar

            Interesting, its always hard to find out the truth. I also don’t necessarily believe the Islamic Emirate authorities, I wonder what they would say about the existence of the Bacha Bazi ( dancing boys of Afghanistan). Maybe they know of it and try to root it out and punish the culprits. Lets hope so.

          20. LOL “Bacha Bazi” thats Iranian

          21. man-o-war Avatar

            It’s Farsi, I thought Farsi was the language that Persians speak? Some Afghanis also speak a dialect of Farsi.

          22. ya lol I speak Farsi in my free time while taking a break from this Israel/Palestine rubbish trololol

          23. man-o-war Avatar

            Have you noticed that regardless of the article it always comes back to Israel/Palestine?
            I’m not even sure how it started today, but here we are again.

          24. Sigh.. it does. Also the case on CNN.

            I really shouldnt involve myself in this crap.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hope they paste the ‘real’ into the ‘news pages’ when they find out.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I think its because they can only afford short women.

          27. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You really have that geriatric illness: Redolent verbal diarrhea wich at the end signifies nothing at all.

          28. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Just like syria and its people. They think they are something but equate to nothing at all!

          29. Definitely one of the more educated ones from Homs.

          30. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Syria was Lebanon and Palestine.. this is stupid Tribalism not better than
            the ignorant Medieval uncultivated ancient Bedouins- Desert Rats from the
            Gulf; $$$. The Levant is the Cradel of Civilisation!

          31. Sound like typical garbage from the SSNP, go to Syria, no one wants you here.

          32. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Go to Israel only Zionist typical garbage want you here..

          33. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            And lebanon was phonecia before syria..

          34. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            God how embarrassing, Ignorant or Liar.. this is not the Brightest bulb-blog IQs.

          35. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Is your “Cradel” the syrian version of cradle?

          36. lol you dont like Syria, sign of a good Lebanese that doesnt relate everything to Damascus.

          37. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Why should I, I am Lebanese, not syrian.
            I probably would not have a problem with syria if my fellow countrymen didn’t stick their heads up theirs asses so much! The only reason we don’t have a peace treaty with Israel is because of these fu%$ers!

          38. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I think so โ€ฆ and most of us left that long ago. ;-)))

          39. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You are such an arrogant ignorant, read History.
            The Cradle of Civilization is Mesopotamia..
            Mesopotamia was in Syria. Syria is in the Levant.
            Syria is 6000 yrs old.. go watch TV.

          40. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            You are such an idiot!!! Hahahahahahahahaha, Mesopotamia covers most of modern day Iraq and was centred around Babylon. Some parts of north eastern syria, which was Assyria back then was part of the extended Mesopotamian empire. Once again, you have proved your knowledge in history, and now trying to steal Iraq’s glory for syria.
            Man o war, can you at least see what I am trying to talk about!!
            Am I wasting my time or am I wasting my time!

          41. man-o-war Avatar

            Not sure what you guys are arguing about. You claim she is too pro-Syrian and never cared for the Lebanese Christians, while she claims you don’t care about the Christians in Syria. It seems both of you can agree that you care about what’s happening to the Christians. Lets start there.

            Now the history and origin of who from where, I’m not sure about. I was just reading a wiki article on Phoenicia and it said some greek historians claim that the Phoenicians originated from Bahrain. Haha, not sure about that, but I guess its possible. If we take it back far enough we all came out of Africa, if you believe in the “out of Africa” theory.

            Leborigine, I have noticed that in my travels to the US whenever I run into Lebanese, I get excited. I ask them where their from and they say Lebanon. I get more excited. Then I tell them that I’m Lebanese as well. Do you know what the following question is? Are you Maronite? Or what church do you go to? This has not happened once, but on multiple occasions. When I tell them I’m not, I feel like the tone in their voice changes, the excitement is gone and the interactions from then on are brief and awkward. Never really understood it.
            Why do you think that is? Why is being Lebanese not enough?
            Anyone that wants to respond is free to, I’m curious what opinions are about this and if they’ve ever experienced it before. Maybe even been the ones to do it.

            Does it have to do with Phoenician exceptionalism? Or associated with remnants of the civil war animosity?

          42. To be honest, in London I used to be like that. Many Lebanese here are Maronites and Im like yeah cool, but when in a Lebanese restaurant the guy tells me he’s half Syrian half Lebanese, or from south Lebanon (even met guys from Gaza and Jenin), I get, i dont know, nervous a bit. But now Im more cool with it.

            But having spoken to Hind, I guess if you’re pro Syrian then you’re pro Syrian, regardless of your religion.

          43. man-o-war Avatar

            I can understand, you know, with you being a zionist and all.

            There are lots of Syrian Christians that are pro-Assad, even though Hind is a Lebanese Christian. They are probably nervous of what could happen if a Sunni majority ruled, kind of like in Egypt with the Copts.

          44. um, I speak Arabic and studied with Christian Arabs. Im just ethnically/religion different.

          45. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Speaking of Egypte, Gulf Arabs gave Egypt a generous sum o money, some
            aid was towards adressing the percieved image problems, among several
            Public Relations firms recently hired, one sent a film crew to Egypt to shoot
            pretty footage of progress, within hours of setting foot on the streets of Cairo
            they were arrested. Everybody goest to jail.. i love collofull Egypte.

          46. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            My argument has nothing to do with Christianity. My problem is with her allegiance to syria. She loves syria more than Lebanon. Is that normal?? To love a nation that you do not reside in more than your own, plus that nation destroyed your country. WTF. I myself do not take sides, I want what’s best for Lebanon. Wheresas for her, if it does not suit syria, then its no good for Lebanon. She is also distorting history like there’s no tomorrow. She has a disorder that is similar to Mรผnchausen syndrome. With you, I can at least interact and discuss things as you have done with cookie. We learn from each other and understand our problems. With her, its either her way or the highway. If I do not feel her syrian Christians, then I am a Zionist. I have said this before man, and I will say it again and again. The Israelis were good to us in Lebanon and were bad to the southern Lebanese, The syrians were good to some and bad to others. Therefore, I consider them both the same. As a whole they both damaged Lebanon and hurt the Lebanese. Why is it ok for her to forgive and interact with the syrians but not ok for us to forgive and interact with the Israelis?? Why is it ok for syria to disrespect our borders and not ok for Israel?? Why is it ok to travel to syria and not to Israel?? If we do not give and take with each other or understand each other, this is how Lebanon will remain.
            I always get excited when I meet Lebanese people. I always ask where they are from, but never asked about their religion. I really do not care, being Lebanese is enough for me. If you read Hannibals old posts, we are all with mixed DNA’s. So whether you are muslim, Xtian or druze, it does not really matter if we have the same ancestry. I share my surname with all religions, mostly Shia. So who knows what I could have been in the past?? Certainly not Syrian like Hind is!

          47. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Man-o-war when people ask you if you are maronite it’s probably because we are a small minority living amongst strangers in countries far away, and when we meet other maronites it makes us happy to be in company of one of our own, we have been a tight knit community for thousands of years due to different persecutions from different people’s and today if we are spread out in the diaspora it is refreshing and heart warming to meet other maronites, people who have St Charbel as one of their own, by the way St Charbel is the Roman Catholic Churchs pride he is the patron saint of the Mass, another reason why being a Maronite Catholic is special to us. We don’t frown upon others being Lebanese is awesome I thank God that I am Lebanese and I wouldn’t change that ever but being a Maronite Catholic is the icing on the cake for me.

          48. man-o-war Avatar

            I understand and appreciate that. Next time I won’t take it personal ; )

          49. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            For God’s sake i don’t want to argue with a Zionist, here he is hating the Syrians with Passion..Abnormal Passion, meaning he don’t give fly to Christians being beheaded because they are Syrian and asking “rather like the Israelis”..

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            It’s all that damned ‘religiosity’. The ‘herd’ instinct. Can’t trust the ‘other’ sects. Need to know which, just to begin a good conversation. Built into the psyche by family tales, historical events in wars, and fairy tales of the religions. Not enough to be from Lebanon. Need to know what street you came from first โ€ฆ.

          51. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            You are such an idiot!!! Hahahahahahahahaha, Mesopotamia covers most of modern day Iraq and was centred around Babylon. Some parts of north eastern syria, which was Assyria back then was part of the extended Mesopotamian empire. Once again, you have proved your knowledge in history, and now trying to steal Iraq’s glory for syria.
            Man o war, can you at least see what I am trying to talk about!!
            Am I wasting my time or am I wasting my time!

          52. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I just watched some TV and found out that Byblos is 9000 years old. Byblos is in Lebanon. Lebanon is in the Levant. That makes Lebanon 3000 years older than syria. We gave you an alphabet and we gave you an education. Now go suck an egg ๐Ÿ™‚

          53. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, Lebanon is 6000 years (as a Mountain in Syria) in Biblical times.

            Stop insisting on Knowing Syria – Lebanon. .. you look fool.
            Again !! Maronites are Syrians monothelistes, who fled in 400 AD the North
            of Syria, from persecution of other Christians SECTS, Nestorians and Jacobites, they found refuge on the Lebanon Mountain, heretic Moslems the Druse, found their way also from persecution from Moslems, there were no other countries in the Levant, other than Syria down to the borders of Egypte.

            You are not “We”!! You’re a badly educated disagreable man who want’s
            “Too Much” to show he knows Lebanon, when he doesn’t, this is childish,
            i’m becoming an obsession to you, don’t become crazy stop Israel
            Zionists revision of History, leave others alone stop disguising the
            matter as bias and politics because the lebanonorigins (HaHa),
            the beirutis & Co, don’t like me.

            The Alphabet is Semitic Aleph Beth, same as Greek in Phoenicia start
            in Latakiah, Syria to Akre in Palestine, Byblos is on the Coast with the
            well wooded Mountain in the Background..No Lebanese on the mountain
            till after Christianity and different sects started to form, with differences, Lebanon enters writen History in 600AD, they Christianised the Mountain
            at their fashion. This is not “Bias” this is Middle East History..
            Now stop your vulgar kindergarten “go suck an egg” :(((

          54. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Phoenicia’s culture was much different than Mesopotamia’s culture.

          55. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What has one to do with the other? And in wich period?
            Phoenicia was the Coast, on the Mountain they were Christians in 400 AD,
            and pagans on the Coast. Ask Al Rahi if he was a Phoenician pagan, and
            why the first Saint Maroun’s relic, his skull, is stil in Syria?

          56. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Ask me, I am a Phoenician pagan converted to Catholic

          57. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Lebanon was not and will never be a mountain in syria, once again, go and read your history. Mt Lebanon was always there during biblical times and King Solomons Temple was built from our cedars. The Levant was full of Empires and there was never a syrian country, just a syrian desert. Phoenicians invented the alphabet, regardless of what you say, the Greeks refined it and taught it to the Assyrians. No matter what you say, you are wrong, you do not know what you are saying. Lebanon was mentioned in the bible 71 times and Jesus walked on the land of The Lebanon and your just jealous ๐Ÿ˜›

          58. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Please leave me alone talk to Al Rahi he’s the Patriarch, a cultivated man..
            (or else he wouldn’t be in that position). Adieu.

          59. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Song:
            ‘And did those feet, in ancient times, โ€ฆ.. (Yahoo it.) ๐Ÿ˜‰

          60. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            There’s no point in arguing with her. You’ll keep going back to the same point for days. Trust me, I know from experience.

          61. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He’s obsessed keeps circling me like a marygoround

          62. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Your the one who is obsessed. You picked on me first and called my country a different name

          63. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Why would i be obsessed i’m not running after you, a comment is a comment,
            it doesn’t need to develope an obsession. And stop the propaganda
            “me the country”..!

          64. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’ve been to Byblos โ€ฆ twice. Kind of small and scruffy the first time – more like a ‘tourist haven’ now, and really looked modern and nice – sort of nice beach there too but not large or really sandy. The ‘digs’ are really the interesting part โ€ฆ.
            Amazing how people tended to congregate in one place over several millennia.
            Even before ‘biblical’ times. ๐Ÿ˜‰
            It was a good ‘landing spot’ for the old boats, one assumes.

          65. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What doyoumean i’m “not quite the Lebanese what calibre..not good in the kitchen?

          66. 5thDrawer Avatar

            As the old saying goes, ‘If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen’. ;-)))
            But I imagine you are at least as good as me with a microwave. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          67. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Looooooool, this is a cool blog.

          68. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Looooooool, this is a cool blog.

          69. You know Leborigine, I’ve never been to Syria or many parts of Lebanon for that matter. It just astonish me how a whole bunch dumb, uneducated, uncivilized people as you put it control for 30 years a whole bunch of smart educated people????? I know it did happen but the question is HOW…..

          70. man-o-war Avatar

            Haha, good point!

          71. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Do you think so? I do not think its a good point at all! I think its sad, really really sad. Instead of being proud Lebanese and trying to prove that you are better than these assholes, you sit there and try to prove why your enemy is better than you. I sit here and make an idiot of myself trying to defend our identity and you guys just want to smear it like $hit. No, its not a good point man, Lebanon does not deserve this!

          72. man-o-war Avatar

            I think the Syrian occupation was a terrible time, many people I grew up with were thrown into their jails and tortured. The low level (maybe even high level, never dealt with them) military personnel were arrogant and cruel. Let’s not forget who invited the Syrians into Lebanon. Syrians were liked depending on the day of the week and who they decided to help that day.

            Anyway, I understand your attitude towards Syria and its leaders, but I think its unfair to say that “syria is the most dumbest, uneducated, uncivilised, dirtiest, place in the middle east”, just a few of the insults you have thrown their way in the past week or so. You also state you have only met one good Syrian out of thousands you’ve met, come on now! You can’t be serious. Your critique of their people is a little unfair. There has to be more than one good Syrian, at minimum two ; )

          73. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Possibly, (gasp), even three. :-)))))))

          74. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            lol, fair enough. But unfortunately, I am serious about meeting one good syrian, he is actually unbelievably good, one of the best people you can ever meet. I am pretty sure there are more like him, rare as hens teeth though. All the others I met are like Indy girl, all bark and no bite. They make syria into something that it isn’t. I won’t get into it now, leave it till another time!

          75. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Maybe you should stop being so proud and stop defending a fake identity and go back to facts. People and countries deserve everything they went through because it’s of their own making…

          76. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            The answer is right in your lap libnan1. First of all, look at half the Lebanese population. assad regime came in and fu%$ed your country and you guys put all that behind you and support that regime no matter what. Second, if your illustrious leader did not turn the War of Liberation into a war of Elimination, kinna bi 2alf 5eir and no one would have controlled us. Third, it was the powers to be who installed these thugs in Lebanon. Do you really think they are capable of occupation, they can’t even occupy their own land. They are like sheep!

          77. leborigine, I never said I liked the Syrians. I just think they were pretty smart to divide us and stupid Lebanese who fought each other. They promised each group with something and were able to keep it going. The LA under the command of the Great was able to liberate parts of Lebanon because the population was behind it. The other parts of Lebanon had their nose so deep up the Syrians asses they couldn’t think. As I said before in 2005 Syrians left Lebanon without a shot, why because the other side joined us to oppose the occupation.
            As far as the elimination war as you put it, the LA did not want to eliminate anyone they just wanted to get rid of a militia NOT ELIMINATE it’s supporters. Explain to me how come that militia gave up it’s weapons when the Syrians defeated the LA. Had that militia and the rest militias did not fight the LA we would be in a much better place now. Think about it. BTW the thing in my lap is kind of stiff but it will get better as the night goes on …:)

          78. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I never said that you should hate the syrians either. The only thing that I do not get is the mutual respect!! The assads screwed and defeated aoun, and now aoun is best buddies with them! Where’s the respect man?? Back then aoun wanted to disarm the Lebanese forces and now he supports and defends another militia to keep its arms. Again, where is the respect!!
            The Lebanese Forces did not have any other choice when they gave up their weapons. The whole country was against them with syria’s support and half the Christians went against them as well. Plus Israel with Americas support gave syria the green light to oust aoun so they can have their way with Saddam Hussein.
            Regardless, I agree with the rest of what you said above, including your stiffy, which probably happened as soon as you mentioned the Great.lol

          79. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Leborigine for President, Hind for primeminister, and libnan1 for garbage duties.

          80. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Haram..

          81. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I’m just fooling around, ok you can be president.

          82. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            If i’m president laborigen goes to Siberia, so we have peaceยธ*-*ยธ

          83. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I’m just fooling around, ok you can be president.

          84. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Maybe the answer is that those you consider “educated” are as retarded as the dumb, uneducated, uncivilized occupier.

          85. The Lebanese race, together with the zionist ideology, would achieve great things

          86. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Paid Crook2halfNazi propagandist, Lebanonorigin like that..i’m not surprised..

          87. lol

          88. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What a hatefull disgusting Non-Lebanese dirty mouth.. these women are dirty?
            I’m not Syrian but i migth be related to the first one she looks like me.

          89. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Hind sweetheart, you sound like an ISIS terrorist member or even worse an orthodox( just kidding) don’t worry about Mesopotamia, greater Syria or Iraq, if your Lebanese get your head checked and start defending Lebanon first, and keep your nose out of Syria and Palestine untill the day comes when we can do more than just talk. Presently Lebanon needs unity whether your from the north or south we need to stand together united before we try and go next door and meddle in their business.

          90. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Taieb inshalla..i don’t worry, getting fed up with lebonorgies History.
            But i worry about after Syria who’s next.

          91. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I think they are cute. Don’t put words in my mouth!

          92. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            OK ..and clean.

          93. “The Lebanese are the superior race in race in the Middle East”. You and the Zionist have the same superiority complex.

          94. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            If you took that seriously, then I have no comments!

          95. I can only go on what your comments keep repeating. Don’t you think the Syrians are suffering enough atm without you, at every chance u get, belittling them? I’m sure you have a heart and a conscience.

          96. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Of course, and if you read my past comments, The women and children should not be in the middle of this. In regards to my recent comments, they are just for Hind and no one else. The history is for everyone, but the syrian comments are for her ๐Ÿ™‚

          97. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Which other Arab country has multy -religion stamps like Syria.
            Now it will the fat sheikh and black Allahuakbar stamp .

          98. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I think you should seek psychiatric help “The Lebanese are the superior race in the Middlle East sounds Zionist Fascist, say Syrian claim Lebanese food as their cuisine, its their cuisine, the best Arabic food orginated in Alep pffhhhhhaha..
            how stupid is that, Arab food is al same traditions in Levant, Israel stole Palestinan food, Dabkeh and Koffieh calling it authentik Israeli.

          99. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
            Action talks and bullshit walks. The dumbest thing I have heard in 2014. Now the syrians are claiming our food. They can’t bake bread and claiming our food and history!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

            Girl, you’re a character!

          100. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Say that to Syrian Sepharadic cuisine traditions. Syrian kooking traditions
            are the oldest in the Word, it deffers depending on the location and time
            of the year in the region.
            Did you ever had Kebbe balls in worm yogourt rich buttery sauce with
            a hint of garllic, Kebbe tartare grounded in a stone jar, fried zepelin
            shaped koussa stuffed with snoubar, round kebbe pie seasoned with
            galangal, kamoun, cinamon and mildly hot Allepo pepper, with cubes
            of fat from lamb’s tail baked in the center grilled over charcol, sahadieh
            fish, or just dull hummus, falafel, chicken fast food…!

            I know, call someone for an answer.. sorry crazy glue you can jump up
            and down like a chimpazee hamering on the keyboard with his feet all
            over YaLibnan, till the man dressed in white come take you or till you die
            i won’t answer you.

          101. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ohhhh, my cholesterol-laden arteries โ€ฆ..

          102. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Legendary, absolutely the best recipe for my kitchen rules, Gordon Ramsey eat your heart out.

          103. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Legendary, absolutely the best recipe for my kitchen rules, Gordon Ramsey eat your heart out.

          104. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            A verry deshonest despicable man, Leborigin, this is not the post i responded to,
            where you begin with: “The Lebanese are the superior race in the Midlle East”.

            You deleted that post tailored it to fit you, that paragraph is at the end now.
            Just to get at me again; your Obsession!

            How dare you import Nazi Supremacist Zionisme in the name of Lebanon?
            Who gave you that rigth?

            You’re; “please don’t give me ‘that’ Mar Maroun skull is in syria (small p) as an answer”, is Disrespectfull.
            PS. Answer to what?

          105. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            YaLibnan you took away my reply to Leborigine?
            Because i said he deleeted the original, he changed it it to suite his response
            to me, please give it back, my reply was honest.. but you keep his Nazi discourse?

          106. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            YaLibnan you took away my reply to Leborigine?
            Because i said he deleeted the original, he changed it it to suite his response
            to me, please give it back, my reply was honest.. but you keep his Nazi discourse?

        2. when you ignor academic researches ant thesas build on fairytalls by westeners who look from a far , the hatered and animosity is plain to see…
          just scratch the surface and it’s all there in plain sight

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            when you ignore the death and destruction build on fairytails by westerners who look from afar, you’re an accomplice to Hate crimes, when you erect monument to a war criminal you loose all credibility giving moral lessons.

            Look at Syria now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          2. don’t quite follow your coment
            a, who is forgeting and what? the national states the westeners made is what kept the violance at bay
            b. tell me who you support at war and i’ll point some war criminals too

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You don’t quite follow.. you seem indifferent Syria looks like Saudi Arabia
            in last centuries, the West demonized Assad to install the Saudis who
            decapitate the Chistians. .(War Crimes)
            HR have proof government was not responsable for sarin gas attacks.
            No rebel was killed only Syrian soldiers and Allawite children kidnapped
            in Latakiah and gased in Ghouta, children were killed to promote War
            against Syria, Western media downplayed or blacked out entirely the Report.

          4. oh lol now i understand you
            i have to admit, i can’t tell the difference between arabs by the way they are dressed.

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I can’t believe it ๐Ÿ™‚

          6. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            syria always looked like Saudi Arabia lol
            Same crap, different smell!

          7. I support a palestinian state in Syria

          8. I support a Israeli state in my toilet

          9. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            When Syria gets out of my toilet I’ll consider Israel’s wish.

          10. Are you calling Lebanon a toilet?

          11. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            No I’m saying that Lebanon’s toilet is engaged at the moment by Iran and Syria and there’s orange coloured crap everywhere.

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            You might as well have said a toilet โ€ฆ Barabie should see the rivers. :-))))

          13. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Zionist not Lebanese.. get off my back

          14. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Syrian with a capital S and not Lebanese, get off my back.
            I’ll make a deal with you. lets forget what happened and start fresh, and agree that Lebanon and the Lebanese are unique and let the syrians worry about their own problems.

          15. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You wrote Syria with a small s and Assyria with a capital S.
            Like Zionists write Palestinians with a small p.

          16. “Let the Syrians worry about their own problems”. Tell that to your god and idols Iran, hezballah and Iraq.

          17. Please provide this HR “proof”!!

          18. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            MIT study of Ghouta chemical attack chalenge US intelligence possible
            implication of faulty US technical intelligence in the Damascus nerve
            attack of August 21,2013

            PDF Report
            Richard Lloyd, formal UN weapon inspector.
            Tesla Laboratories inc. Adingtpn VA.
            Theodore A. Postol, professor of Science Technology & National Security Policy.

            “This mean that our estimated maximum range of 2km for the improvised munition is close to its upper possible range.
            In turn, it means that the US government’s intrpretation of the technical intelligence it gathered prior to and after the attack CANNOT BE POSSIBLY”
            CORRECT.

            When i said 2 days ago here; only Allawites children and Syrian soldiers
            were killed not one ‘rebel’ died..The fake Lebanese on this blog, as beiruti,
            told me; take your garbage and go to Syria nobody want’s you here.
            Of course it’s downplayed or entirely blacked out in Western media.

          19. Lol now it’s MIT. HAHA what happened to ur HR report that u claimed to have seen. Either you are delusional or just a plain liar.

          20. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            HAHa you asked “proof please” i was kind enough to answer..i said i don’t like you and i was rigth.. now don’t be obsessed like lebanorgies…and leave that poor child out of the digusting Hate Fest here.

          21. Asked for proof of what u claimed and you claimed that there was a HR report not MIT. Who the hell recognises MIT as being fair and impartial. Don’t make absurd claims you can’t provide proof for. It just makes you look even more delusional.

          22. Lol now it’s MIT. HAHA what happened to ur HR report that u claimed to have seen. Either you are delusional or just a plain liar.

          23. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Where did they get the neat stones for the fire-pit?

          24. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Rich Saudis.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar

            When I see the head-coverings, it always reminds me of my Grandmother’s kitchen table-cloth.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Russian Despotism was the same as Assad’s Despotism. Both held the ‘warring sects’ down in fear of a despotic reprisal. ALL were under the thumbs.
          And in all those years, no-one learned anything.
          The Russian thumb came off in a rather more gentle way than the Syrian.
          Yet with the same results โ€ฆ the peasants took up the ancient battles.
          Dividing and separating those idiots seems necessary, when they insist on slaughtering each other all the time.
          OR, we could all just look the other way โ€ฆ.. ๐Ÿ˜‰
          Evil Man-Made ??? YES. Period.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Excuse me?? “Dividing and separating these idiots seems necessary”
            that’s why the Civilised Christian World sent fanatic psychopaths
            rapers beheaders barbarians “Idiots” from 80 different countriesin
            order to shop heads of Christians, Allawites, Kurds, priests, soldiers,
            women, children, then claim the moral legitimacy to stop those same idiots from killing each other, HAHA..and to install Sharia to end Despotism!
            Something is rotten in the Saudi Kingdom of Lebanon…

          2. Tell me what happened to the Christian community in Iraq after your beloved Iranian shite puppets took power!

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Ask Bush Sharon Cheyney Netanyahu Wolfowitz & The Richard Perl Study Group. “A New Stradegy for Israel in 2000” Plan.
            Christians where living there forever ll they invaded.
            I don’t like you tone next time don’t adress me.

          4. Deflect from your shite brethren. It was the shite militias that carried out these acts AFTER they came to power. So you are saying that the shites did the yanks and zionists dirty work, which means the shites work for them. Bravo!
            As for not liking my “tone”, too bad! If you don’t want to be addressed then don’t post on a PUBLIC forum. Just don’t ask khameni to hang me. Ok?

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I don’t like you ..i never adressed you did i?

          6. Crazy people think everybody else is crazy

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So then, we all just look the other way โ€ฆ.. ๐Ÿ˜‰
            Why get in a snit about it? Not worth the blood pressure.

          8. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            It’s too stupid.

        4. Blah, blah, blah, you sound like a squabbling turkey, shut up with the ‘blame THE Zionists” rhetoric.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I’m sick of you; my “Blah, Blah, Blah” Reeelyy?
            You’re another Beiruti2halfimpostor, do you read your own “World Zionist Movement Organisation- Departement of Publicity?

            Zionism is the architecte of all the Chaos in the Midlle East.
            1904 Theodorus Hell’s motto, is in full gear!
            The day before yesterday, Palestine. Yesterday Iraq. Today Syria.
            Tomorow Lebanon.

          2. I don’t doubt the zionists have a master plan for the Middle East but strangely enough Iran keeps coming out the winner in all those countries u just listed.

    2. Ariel Sharon is a hero, one of the best military commanders is history after he surrounded the 3rd Egyptian army in the Yom Kippur War

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        Haha, get off your knees and quit “infraction”. The man’s dead, you’re bordering on necrophilia at this point.

        1. Napoleon has been dead since (when was it? dont remember) and yet he’s still a hero and an inspiration

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            1821. Inspiration perhaps. A Corsican. One of the Military Minds who’s wins and losses are studied for ideas โ€ฆ at least โ€ฆ although the ‘formalities’ of war have changed hugely. And one of the few who finally died of natural causes. Amazing.
            I don’t think losing almost 600,000 troops in the Russian campaign makes him a ‘hero’ โ€ฆ although he had become Emperor over most of Europe at the time.
            Seems He Loved France. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He didn’t die of natural causes it was meant to look natural.
            They found arsenic in his hair.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hahahahaha โ€ฆ. rascally joker you are โ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜‰

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I beg you pardon, why is that?

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hind. Best guesses are cancer of the stomach at tops – general health deteriorated by just existing in one place lowest (killed the spirit) โ€ฆ and who could test hair for arsenic in 1821 … and even if they could it has been found naturally in many things grown which we eat โ€ฆ and accumulation over a lifetime would explain it. Could have been lead too. Could have been any of the chemistries which cause cancer ingested in that age.
            If they are testing hair 150 years later, it could be from the ground.

            But I thought you were referencing the theory on Arafat โ€ฆ hahaha .. another good one. (Got him buried twice, however. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Pleeaase..the test was done not in 1821, its France business you don’t have hang me for reading it once..and stop publishing where i live when you take a Gleenfidish or something.

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes Ma’m.

      2. Hopefully you will join that war criminal soon

  4. 2014 is starting to be a very good year, Hezbollah soldiers dying in Syria, FSA defeating Al-Queda, Ariel Sharon dead after wasting the hospitals electricity for 8 years, and now this bastard Nasrallah will live to see the end of his preposterous organization.

    1. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      It all does sound good Beiruti.
      Lets also hope that the war in syria ends, that region gets divided into 5 different states as planned and the Lebanese who follow these different syrian sects can move and live in those enclaves as they have been historically. Then we will all be happy little vegemites!

      1. Hind Abyad Avatar
        Hind Abyad

        Admitting the Zionist plan for Syria? It all sounds good?
        Researchers considered Syria as THE country in the Midlle Eas were mosaic of sects
        live in peace and harmony, what you discribe, is in 1982 Oded Yinon Plan for Greater Israel. So you admit this tragedy is Evil man made Chaos by the West Israel and Wahabi Rats. You omit mentioning also parts of Lebanon, you devil.

        1. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          After doing my own research, syria is the most dumbest, uneducated, uncivilised, dirtiest, place in the middle east. syria and israel planned together the destruction of Lebanon so that they can both have all the glory that Lebanon had in its history and modern times. Lebanon was the first to have all the sects living in harmony before syria and the palestinians came in and destroyed it. The only reason syria had it good, was only because you had no freedom and you would be locked up if you were a free thinker. Now you claim that syria held that title. syria is nothing and will always be nothing. We, the Lebanese are everything. syria is nothing without the Lebanese. We opened them up to the world, and that is despite our civil war. They do not even have a cuisine, them and the Israelis try to claim Lebanese food as their cuisine. Well, they can go and get stuffed. The Lebanese are the superior race in the middle east, and we will always be. The rest are just beneath us!
          What’s your response now hind? and please don’t givel me that Mar Maroon’s skull is in syria as an answer.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Id like to know if Hind is Syrian or Lebanese she sounds too intelligent to be Syrian but is not quite Lebanese calibre. A lot of what leborigine posted I have been told the same by Syrians. Shlornark Akhee? Terrible honestly.

          2. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Hey Maborlz, I usually do not boast like this and most of my comments are just fair play. But syrians are absolutely ridiculous. I have only met one good syrian in my life from out of a thousand. Mind you, I have relatives there. They are pathetic. I have seriously never met such a pathetic people. During the days of hafez in the 80’s, I travelled there quite a bit for work, so I know what I am talking about. I dealt with a few educated syrians and they were enclosed. I mean what do you expect being raised and taught in a socialist system that is similar to communism and you are not allowed to think for yourself. No freedom of speech and the government rationed even the basic necessities.
            The workers used to tell me that they invented shifty, and they taught the Lebanese how to be shifty!! I used to look at them and just smile, and thought to myself, you guys have never been outside syria and have no idea what you are talking about. They are draweesh, that’s what the system made them into. A Lebanese would have stripped them from there clothes before they even said hi!

          3. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            They are many moons behind. Poor buggers call condoms Hafez el ayrrr. Very simple Neanderthals they are.

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Help the Civilised against terrorists.

          5. cook2half Avatar

            Bravo Hind, more cherry picking. Now here’s a quote by an Arab – Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) executive committee member Zahir Muhsain told the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

            “The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.

            Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.”

            We can all cherry pick quotes. Want more?

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, make a fool of yourself ..this place is not for Scholars. Bye

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Why are the shortest guys always the worst? :-))))

          8. man-o-war Avatar

            Take it easy 5th, he’s just a kid ; )

          9. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I meant the one holding the gun up โ€ฆ but yes, aren’t they all? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          10. man-o-war Avatar

            I know, just joking around. Napoleon complex?

          11. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Usually, I think โ€ฆ :-))))

          12. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Nice people..the Zionists

          13. cook2half Avatar

            Very

          14. cook2half Avatar

            Say that to 10 year old suicide bombers in Afghanistan if you think “kids” are an exception when fighting terror.

          15. man-o-war Avatar

            I think Afghanistan is an exception, they are probably running out of adult suicide bombers. Has there been any child suicide bombers in Palestine? If not, increase the oppression and maybe they too will run out and turn to children. Anyway, the ten year old was tricked by her terrorist older brother. The child turned herself in and didn’t want to be returned to her family.

          16. cook2half Avatar

            No, it doesnt happen often for a kid in the West Bank to commit terrorism. But when on few occasions it does, the lefty scumbag media make it look as if it happens allllllllllll the time and why Israel goes after children.

            No one is born a terrorist, its all brainwashing.

          17. “Under the principles of Islamic law, young children are exempt from carrying out the responsibilities of Islam. The Islamic Emirate, in adhering to this principle, also does not allow such children to take part in armed conflict. The truth is that the fronts of the Mujahideen against the illegitimate regime of Karzai are full of the brave youth of Afghanistan and the Islamic Emirate has no need to recruit children for this task.

            In the same manner that the Islamic Emirate considers the recruitment of children for armed conflict as contrary to the laws of war, similarly it also considers the use of children for propaganda purposes to be against all principles of morality and human dignity. In this light the Islamic Emirate strongly condemns the intelligence agents of Karzai’s regime for taking advantage of children and using their innocence in order to defame the Mujahideen.

            The claim that the ten year old girl from Helmand was recruited by her brother, with the agreement of her parents, to become a suicide bomber is a complete fabrication and has no reality at all. When news of this accusation spread the Islamic Emirate requested the local Islamic Emirate authorities in Helmand to conduct an investigation into the incident. After conducting a thorough investigation our local authorities informed us that this incident has no reality. Moreover they informed us that in the entire province of Helmand there is no Taliban commander by the name of Zahir. They confirmed that the Islamic Emirate in Helmand has never allowed anyone to recruit children for the purposes of carrying out attacks. Even the Karzai regime’s officials in Helmand have stated to the media that there are severe inconsistencies in the girl’s account. They are still investigating the specifics of this incident.”

          18. cook2half Avatar

            Thanks.

          19. man-o-war Avatar

            Interesting, its always hard to find out the truth. I also don’t necessarily believe the Islamic Emirate authorities, I wonder what they would say about the existence of the Bacha Bazi ( dancing boys of Afghanistan). Maybe they know of it and try to root it out and punish the culprits. Lets hope so.

          20. cook2half Avatar

            LOL “Bacha Bazi” thats Iranian

          21. man-o-war Avatar

            It’s Farsi, I thought Farsi was the language that Persians speak? Some Afghanis also speak a dialect of Farsi.

          22. cook2half Avatar

            ya lol I speak Farsi in my free time while taking a break from this Israel/Palestine rubbish trololol

          23. man-o-war Avatar

            Have you noticed that regardless of the article it always comes back to Israel/Palestine?
            I’m not even sure how it started today, but here we are again.

          24. cook2half Avatar

            Sigh.. it does. Also the case on CNN.

            I really shouldnt involve myself in this crap.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hope they paste the ‘real’ into the ‘news pages’ when they find out.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I think its because they can only afford short women.

          27. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You really have that geriatric illness: Verbal diarrhea wich at the end signifies nothing at all.

          28. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Just like syria and its people. They think they are something but equate to nothing at all!

          29. Definitely one of the more educated ones from Homs.

          30. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Syria was Lebanon and Palestine.. this is stupid Tribalism not better than
            the ignorant Medieval, uncultivated ancient Bedouin Desert Rats from the
            Gulf; $$$.
            The Levant is the Cradel of Civilisation!

          31. Sound like typical garbage from the SSNP, go to Syria, no one wants you here.

          32. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Go to Israel only Zionist typical garbage want you here..

          33. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            And lebanon was phonecia before syria..

          34. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            God how embarrassing, Ignorant or Liar.. this is not the Brightest bulb-blog IQs.

          35. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Is your “Cradel” the syrian version of cradle?

          36. cook2half Avatar

            lol you dont like Syria, sign of a good Lebanese that doesnt relate everything to Damascus.

          37. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Why should I, I am Lebanese, not syrian.
            I probably would not have a problem with syria if my fellow countrymen didn’t stick their heads up theirs asses so much! The only reason we don’t have a peace treaty with Israel is because of these fu%$ers!

          38. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I think so โ€ฆ and most of us left that long ago. ;-)))

          39. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You are such an arrogant ignorant, read History.
            The Cradle of Civilization is Mesopotamia..
            Mesopotamia was in Syria. Syria is in the Levant.
            Syria is 6000 yrs old.. go watch TV.

          40. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            You are such an idiot!!! Hahahahahahahahaha, Mesopotamia covers most of modern day Iraq and was centred around Babylon. Some parts of north eastern syria, which was Assyria back then was part of the extended Mesopotamian empire. Once again, you have proved your knowledge in history, and now trying to steal Iraq’s glory for syria.
            Man o war, can you at least see what I am trying to talk about!!
            Am I wasting my time or am I wasting my time!

          41. man-o-war Avatar

            Not sure what you guys are arguing about. You claim she is too pro-Syrian and never cared for the Lebanese Christians, while she claims you don’t care about the Christians in Syria. It seems both of you can agree that you care about what’s happening to the Christians. Lets start there.

            Now the history and origin of who from where, I’m not sure about. I was just reading a wiki article on Phoenicia and it said some greek historians claim that the Phoenicians originated from Bahrain. Haha, not sure about that, but I guess its possible. If we take it back far enough we all came out of Africa, if you believe in the “out of Africa” theory.

            Leborigine, I have noticed that in my travels to the US whenever I run into Lebanese, I get excited. I ask them where their from and they say Lebanon. I get more excited. Then I tell them that I’m Lebanese as well. Do you know what the following question is? Are you Maronite? Or what church do you go to? This has not happened once, but on multiple occasions. When I tell them I’m not, I feel like the tone in their voice changes, the excitement is gone and the interactions from then on are brief and awkward. Never really understood it.
            Why do you think that is? Why is being Lebanese not enough?
            Anyone that wants to respond is free to, I’m curious what opinions are about this and if they’ve ever experienced it before. Maybe even been the ones to do it.

            Does it have to do with Phoenician exceptionalism? Or associated with remnants of the civil war animosity?

          42. cook2half Avatar

            To be honest, in London I used to be like that. Many Lebanese here are Maronites and Im like yeah cool, but when in a Lebanese restaurant the guy tells me he’s half Syrian half Lebanese, or from south Lebanon (even met guys from Gaza and Jenin), I get, i dont know, nervous a bit. But now Im more cool with it.

            But having spoken to Hind, I guess if you’re pro Syrian then you’re pro Syrian, regardless of your religion.

          43. man-o-war Avatar

            I can understand, you know, with you being a zionist and all.

            There are lots of Syrian Christians that are pro-Assad, even though Hind is a Lebanese Christian. They are probably nervous of what could happen if a Sunni majority ruled, kind of like in Egypt with the Copts.

          44. cook2half Avatar

            um, I speak Arabic and studied with Christian Arabs. Im just ethnically/religion different.

          45. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Speaking of Egypte, Gulf Arabs gave Egypt a generous sum o money, some
            aid was towards adressing the percieved image problems, among several
            Public Relations firms recently hired, one sent a film crew to Egypt to shoot
            pretty footage of progress, within hours of setting foot on the streets of Cairo
            they were arrested. Everybody goest to jail.. i love collofull Egypte.

          46. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            My argument has nothing to do with Christianity. My problem is with her allegiance to syria. She loves syria more than Lebanon. Is that normal?? To love a nation that you do not reside in more than your own, plus that nation destroyed your country. WTF. I myself do not take sides, I want what’s best for Lebanon. Wheresas for her, if it does not suit syria, then its no good for Lebanon. She is also distorting history like there’s no tomorrow. She has a disorder that is similar to Mรผnchausen syndrome. With you, I can at least interact and discuss things as you have done with cookie. We learn from each other and understand our problems. With her, its either her way or the highway. If I do not feel her syrian Christians, then I am a Zionist. I have said this before man, and I will say it again and again. The Israelis were good to us in Lebanon and were bad to the southern Lebanese, The syrians were good to some and bad to others. Therefore, I consider them both the same. As a whole they both damaged Lebanon and hurt the Lebanese. Why is it ok for her to forgive and interact with the syrians but not ok for us to forgive and interact with the Israelis?? Why is it ok for syria to disrespect our borders and not ok for Israel?? Why is it ok to travel to syria and not to Israel?? If we do not give and take with each other or understand each other, this is how Lebanon will remain.
            I always get excited when I meet Lebanese people. I always ask where they are from, but never asked about their religion. I really do not care, being Lebanese is enough for me. If you read Hannibals old posts, we are all with mixed DNA’s. So whether you are muslim, Xtian or druze, it does not really matter if we have the same ancestry. I share my surname with all religions, mostly Shia. So who knows what I could have been in the past?? Certainly not Syrian like Hind is!

          47. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Man-o-war when people ask you if you are maronite it’s probably because we are a small minority living amongst strangers in countries far away, and when we meet other maronites it makes us happy to be in company of one of our own, we have been a tight knit community for thousands of years due to different persecutions from different people’s and today if we are spread out in the diaspora it is refreshing and heart warming to meet other maronites, people who have St Charbel as one of their own, by the way St Charbel is the Roman Catholic Churchs pride he is the patron saint of the Mass, another reason why being a Maronite Catholic is special to us. We don’t frown upon others being Lebanese is awesome I thank God that I am Lebanese and I wouldn’t change that ever but being a Maronite Catholic is the icing on the cake for me.

          48. man-o-war Avatar

            I understand and appreciate that. Next time I won’t take it personal ; )

          49. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            For God’s sake i don’t want to argue with a Zionist, here he is hating the Syrians with Passion..Abnormal Passion, meaning he don’t give fly to Christians being beheaded because they are Syrian and asking “rather like the Israelis”..

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            It’s all that damned ‘religiosity’. The ‘herd’ instinct. Can’t trust the ‘other’ sects. Need to know which, just to begin a good conversation. Built into the psyche by family tales, historical events in wars, and fairy tales of the religions. Not enough to be from Lebanon. Need to know what street you came from first โ€ฆ.

          51. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I just watched some TV and found out that Byblos is 9000 years old. Byblos is in Lebanon. Lebanon is in the Levant. That makes Lebanon 3000 years older than syria. We gave you an alphabet and we gave you an education. Now go suck an egg ๐Ÿ™‚

          52. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, Lebanon is 6000 years (as a Mountain in Syria) in Biblical times.

            Stop insisting on Knowing Syria – Lebanon. .. you look fool.
            Again !! Maronites are Syrians monothelistes, who fled in 400 AD the North
            of Syria, from persecution of other Christians SECTS, Nestorians and Jacobites, they found refuge on the Lebanon Mountain, heretic Moslems the Druse, found their way also from persecution from Moslems, there were no other countries in the Levant, other than Syria down to the borders of Egypte.

            You are not “We”!! You’re a badly educated disagreable man who want’s

            “Too Much” to show he knows Lebanon, when he doesn’t, this is childish,
            i’m becoming an obsession to you, don’t become crazy stop Israel Zionists revision of History, leave others alone stop disguising the matter as bias
            and politics because the lebanonorigins (HaHa), the beirutis & Co, don’t
            like me.

            The Alphabet is Semitic Aleph Beth, same as Greek in Phoenicia the Coast, from Latakiah in Syria, to Akre in Palestine, Byblos is on the Coast with the well wooded Mountain in the Background..No Lebanese on the mountain till after Christianity and different sects started to form, with differences and perscussions..Lebanon enters writen History in 600 AD, they Christianised
            the Mountain at their fashion. This is not “Bias” this is Middle East History.

          53. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Phoenicia’s culture was much different than Mesopotamia’s culture.

          54. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What has one to do with the other? Phoenicia was the Coast, on the Mountain they were Christians in 400 AD, and down below there were the pagans on the Coast. Ask Al Rahi if he’s a Phenician pagan

          55. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Ask me, I am a Phoenician pagan converted to Catholic

          56. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Lebanon was not and will never be a mountain in syria, once again, go and read your history. Mt Lebanon was always there during biblical times and King Solomons Temple was built from our cedars. The Levant was full of Empires and there was never a syrian country, just a syrian desert. Phoenicians invented the alphabet, regardless of what you say, the Greeks refined it and taught it to the Assyrians. No matter what you say, you are wrong, you do not know what you are saying. Lebanon was mentioned in the bible 71 times and Jesus walked on the land of The Lebanon and your just jealous ๐Ÿ˜›

          57. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Please leave me alone talk to Al Rahi he’s the Patriarch, a cultivated man..
            (or else he wouldn’t be in that position). Adieu.

          58. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Song:
            ‘And did those feet, in ancient times, โ€ฆ.. (Yahoo it.) ๐Ÿ˜‰

          59. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            There’s no point in arguing with her. You’ll keep going back to the same point for days. Trust me, I know from experience.

          60. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He’s obsessed.

          61. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Your the one who is obsessed. You picked on me first and called my country a different name

          62. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Why would i be obsessed i’m not running after you, a comment is a comment,
            it doesn’t need to develope an obsession. And stop the propaganda
            “me the country”..!

          63. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’ve been to Byblos โ€ฆ twice. Kind of small and scruffy the first time – more like a ‘tourist haven’ now, and really looked modern and nice – sort of nice beach there too but not large or really sandy. The ‘digs’ are really the interesting part โ€ฆ.
            Amazing how people tended to congregate in one place over several millennia.

          64. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What doyoumean i’m “not quite the Lebanese what calibre..not good in the kitchen?

          65. 5thDrawer Avatar

            As the old saying goes, ‘If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen’. ;-)))
            But I imagine you are at least as good as me with a microwave. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          66. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Looooooool, this is a cool blog.

          67. You know Leborigine, I’ve never been to Syria or many parts of Lebanon for that matter. It just astonish me how a whole bunch dumb, uneducated, uncivilized people as you put it control for 30 years a whole bunch of smart educated people????? I know it did happen but the question is HOW…..

          68. man-o-war Avatar

            Haha, good point!

          69. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Do you think so? I do not think its a good point at all! I think its sad, really really sad. Instead of being proud Lebanese and trying to prove that you are better than these assholes, you sit there and try to prove why your enemy is better than you. I sit here and make an idiot of myself trying to defend our identity and you guys just want to smear it like $hit. No, its not a good point man, Lebanon does not deserve this!

          70. man-o-war Avatar

            I think the Syrian occupation was a terrible time, many people I grew up with were thrown into their jails and tortured. The low level (maybe even high level, never dealt with them) military personnel were arrogant and cruel. Let’s not forget who invited the Syrians into Lebanon. Syrians were liked depending on the day of the week and who they decided to help that day.

            Anyway, I understand your attitude towards Syria and its leaders, but I think its unfair to say that “syria is the most dumbest, uneducated, uncivilised, dirtiest, place in the middle east”, just a few of the insults you have thrown their way in the past week or so. You also state you have only met one good Syrian out of thousands you’ve met, come on now! You can’t be serious. Your critique of their people is a little unfair. There has to be more than one good Syrian, at minimum two ; )

          71. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Possibly, (gasp), even three. :-)))))))

          72. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            lol, fair enough. But unfortunately, I am serious about meeting one good syrian, he is actually unbelievably good, one of the best people you can ever meet. I am pretty sure there are more like him, rare as hens teeth though. All the others I met are like Indy girl, all bark and no bite. They make syria into something that it isn’t. I won’t get into it now, leave it till another time!

          73. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Maybe you should stop being so proud and stop defending a fake identity and go back to facts. People and countries deserve everything they went through because it’s of their own making…

          74. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            The answer is right in your lap libnan1. First of all, look at half the Lebanese population. assad regime came in and fu%$ed your country and you guys put all that behind you and support that regime no matter what. Second, if your illustrious leader did not turn the War of Liberation into a war of Elimination, kinna bi 2alf 5eir and no one would have controlled us. Third, it was the powers to be who installed these thugs in Lebanon. Do you really think they are capable of occupation, they can’t even occupy their own land. They are like sheep!

          75. leborigine, I never said I liked the Syrians. I just think they were pretty smart to divide us and stupid Lebanese who fought each other. They promised each group with something and were able to keep it going. The LA under the command of the Great was able to liberate parts of Lebanon because the population was behind it. The other parts of Lebanon had their nose so deep up the Syrians asses they couldn’t think. As I said before in 2005 Syrians left Lebanon without a shot, why because the other side joined us to oppose the occupation.
            As far as the elimination war as you put it, the LA did not want to eliminate anyone they just wanted to get rid of a militia NOT ELIMINATE it’s supporters. Explain to me how come that militia gave up it’s weapons when the Syrians defeated the LA. Had that militia and the rest militias did not fight the LA we would be in a much better place now. Think about it. BTW the thing in my lap is kind of stiff but it will get better as the night goes on …:)

          76. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I never said that you should hate the syrians either. The only thing that I do not get is the mutual respect!! The assads screwed and defeated aoun, and now aoun is best buddies with them! Where’s the respect man?? Back then aoun wanted to disarm the Lebanese forces and now he supports and defends another militia to keep its arms. Again, where is the respect!!
            The Lebanese Forces did not have any other choice when they gave up their weapons. The whole country was against them with syria’s support and half the Christians went against them as well. Plus Israel with Americas support gave syria the green light to oust aoun so they can have their way with Saddam Hussein.
            Regardless, I agree with the rest of what you said above, including your stiffy, which probably happened as soon as you mentioned the Great.lol

          77. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Leborigine for President, Hind for primeminister, and libnan1 for garbage duties.

          78. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Haram..

          79. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I’m just fooling around, ok you can be president.

          80. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            If i’m president laborigen goes to Siberia, so we have peaceยธ*-*ยธ

          81. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Maybe the answer is that those you consider “educated” are as retarded as the dumb, uneducated, uncivilized occupier.

          82. cook2half Avatar

            The Lebanese race, together with the zionist ideology, would achieve great things

          83. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Paid Crook2halfNazi propagandist.

          84. cook2half Avatar

            lol

          85. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            What a hatefull disgusting Non-Lebanese dirty mouth.. these women are dirty?
            I’m not Syrian but i migth be related to the first one she looks like me.

          86. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Hind sweetheart, you sound like an ISIS terrorist member or even worse an orthodox( just kidding) don’t worry about Mesopotamia, greater Syria or Iraq, if your Lebanese get your head checked and start defending Lebanon first, and keep your nose out of Syria and Palestine untill the day comes when we can do more than just talk. Presently Lebanon needs unity whether your from the north or south we need to stand together united before we try and go next door and meddle in their business.

          87. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Taieb inshalla..i don’t worry, getting fed up with lebonorgies History.
            But i worry about after Syria who’s next.

          88. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I think they are cute. Don’t put words in my mouth!

          89. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            OK ..and clean.

          90. “The Lebanese are the superior race in race in the Middle East”. You and the Zionist have the same superiority complex.

          91. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            If you took that seriously, then I have no comments!

          92. I can only go on what your comments keep repeating. Don’t you think the Syrians are suffering enough atm without you, at every chance u get, belittling them? I’m sure you have a heart and a conscience.

          93. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Of course, and if you read my past comments, The women and children should not be in the middle of this. In regards to my recent comments, they are just for Hind and no one else. The history is for everyone, but the syrian comments are for her ๐Ÿ™‚

          94. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Which other Arab country has multy -religion stamps like Syria.
            Now it will the fat sheikh and black Allahuakbar stamp .

          95. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I think you should seek psychiatric help “The Lebanese are the superior race in the Middlle East sounds Zionist Fascist, say Syrian claim Lebanese food as their cuisine, its their cuisine, the best Arabic food orginated in Alep pffhhhhhaha..
            how stupid is that, Arab food is al same traditions in Levant, Israel stole Palestinan food, Dabkeh and Koffieh calling it authentik Israeli.

          96. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
            Action talks and bullshit walks. The dumbest thing I have heard in 2014. Now the syrians are claiming our food. They can’t bake bread and claiming our food and history!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

            Girl, you’re a character!

          97. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Say that to Syrian Sepharadic cuisine traditions. Syrian kooking traditions are
            the oldest in the Word, it deffers depending on the location and time of the year
            in the region. Did you ever had Kebbe balls in worm yogourt rich buttery sauce with a hint of garllic, Kebbe tartare grounded in a stone jar, fried zepelin shaped koussa stuffed with snoubar, round kebbe pie seasoned with galangal, kamoun, cinamon and mildly hot Allepo pepper, with cubes of fat from lamb’s tail baked in the center grilled over charcol, sahadieh fish, or just dull hummus, falafel, chicken, fast food…!

            I know, call someone for an answer.. sorry crazy glue you can jump up and down like a chimpazee hamering on the keyboard with his feet all over YaLibnan, till the man dressed in white come take you or till you die.. i won’t answer.

          98. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ohhhh, my cholesterol-laden arteries โ€ฆ..

          99. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Legendary, absolutely the best recipe for my kitchen rules, Gordon Ramsey eat your heart out.

          100. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            A verry deshonest despicable man, Leborigin, this is not the post i responded to,
            where you begin with: “The Lebanese are the superior race in the Midlle East”.

            You deleted that post tailored it to fit you, that paragraph is at the end now.
            Just to get at me again; your Obsession!

            How dare you import Nazi Supremacist Zionisme in the name of Lebanon?
            Who gave you that rigth?

            You’re; “please don’t give me ‘that’ Mar Maroun skull is in syria (small p) as an answer”, is Disrespectfull.
            PS. Answer to what?

          101. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            YaLibnan you took away my reply to Leborigine?
            Because i said he deleeted the original, he changed it it to suite his response
            to me, please give it back, my reply was honest.. but you keep his Nazi discourse?

        2. when you ignor academic researches ant thesas build on fairytalls by westeners who look from a far , the hatered and animosity is plain to see…
          just scratch the surface and it’s all there in plain sight

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            when you ignore the death and distruction build on fairytails by westerners who look from afar, you’re an accomplice to Hate crimes, when you erect monument to a war criminal you loose all credibility giving moral lessons.

            Look at Syria now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          2. don’t quite follow your coment
            a, who is forgeting and what? the national states the westeners made is what kept the violance at bay
            b. tell me who you support at war and i’ll point some war criminals too

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You don’t quite follow.. you seem indifferent Syria looks like Saudi Arabia
            in last centuries, the West demonized Assad to install the Saudis who
            decapitate the Chistians. .(War Crimes)
            HR have proof government was not responsable for sarin gas attacks.
            No rebel was killed only Syrian soldiers and Allawite children kidnapped in Latakiah and gased in Ghouta, children were killed to promote War against
            Syria, Western media downplayed or blacked out entirely the Report.

          4. oh lol now i understand you
            i have to admit, i can’t tell the difference between arabs by the way they are dressed.

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I can’t believe it ๐Ÿ™‚

          6. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            syria always looked like Saudi Arabia lol
            Same crap, different smell!

          7. cook2half Avatar

            I support a palestinian state in Syria

          8. I support a Israeli state in my toilet

          9. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            When Syria gets out of my toilet I’ll consider Israel’s wish.

          10. Are you calling Lebanon a toilet?

          11. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            No I’m saying that Lebanon’s toilet is engaged at the moment by Iran and Syria and there’s orange coloured crap everywhere.

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            You might as well have said a toilet โ€ฆ Barabie should see the rivers. :-))))

          13. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Zionist not Lebanese.. get off my back

          14. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Syrian with a capital S and not Lebanese, get off my back.
            I’ll make a deal with you. lets forget what happened and start fresh, and agree that Lebanon and the Lebanese are unique and let the syrians worry about their own problems.

          15. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You wrote Syria with a small s and Assyria with a capital S.
            Like Zionists write Palestinians with a small p.

          16. “Let the Syrians worry about their own problems”. Tell that to your god and idols Iran, hezballah and Iraq.

          17. Please provide this HR “proof”!!

          18. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            MIT study of Ghouta chemical attack chalenge US intelligence possible
            implication of faulty US technical intelligence in the Damascus nerve
            attack of August 21,2013

            PDF Report
            Richard Lloyd, formal UN weapon inspector.
            Tesla Laboratories inc. Adingtpn VA.
            Theodore A. Postol, professor of Science Technology & National Security Policy.

            “This mean that our estimated maximum range of 2km for the improvised munition is close to its upper possible range.
            In turn, it means that the US government’s intrpretation of the technical intelligence it gathered prior to and after the attack CANNOT BE POSSIBLY”
            CORRECT.

            When i said 2 days ago here; only Allawites children and Syrian soldiers
            were killed not one ‘rebel’ died..The fake Lebanese on this blog, as beiruti,
            told me; take your garbage and go to Syria nobody want’s you here.
            Of course it’s downplayed or entirely blacked out in Western media.

          19. Lol now it’s MIT. HAHA what happened to ur HR report that u claimed to have seen. Either you are delusional or just a plain liar.

          20. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            HAHa you asked “proof please” i was kind enough to answer..i said i don’t like you and i was rigth.. now don’t be obsessed like lebanorgies…and leave that poor child out of the digusting Hate Fest here.

          21. Asked for proof of what u claimed and you claimed that there was a HR report not MIT. Who the hell recognises MIT as being fair and impartial. Don’t make absurd claims you can’t provide proof for. It just makes you look even more delusional.

          22. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Where did they get the neat stones for the fire-pit?

          23. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Rich Saudis.

          24. 5thDrawer Avatar

            When I see the head-coverings, it always reminds me of my Grandmother’s kitchen table-cloth.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Russian Despotism was the same as Assad’s Despotism. Both held the ‘warring sects’ down in fear of a despotic reprisal. ALL were under the thumbs.
          And in all those years, no-one learned anything.
          The Russian thumb came off in a rather more gentle way than the Syrian.
          Yet with the same results โ€ฆ the peasants took up the ancient battles.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Excuse me?? “Dividing and separating these idiots seems necessary”
            that’s why the Civilised Christian World sent fanatic psychopaths rapers beheaders barbarians Idiots, from 80 different countries_in order to shop
            heads of Christians, Allawites, Kurds, priests, soldiers, women, children,
            and claim the moral legitimacy to stop those same idiots from killing each
            other, HAHA, install Sharia..to end Despotism!
            Something is rotten in the Saudi Kingdom of Lebanon…

          2. Tell me what happened to the Christian community in Iraq after your beloved Iranian shite puppets took power!

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Ask Bush Sharon Cheyney Netanyahu Wolfowitz & The Richard Perl Study Group. “A New Stradegy for Israel in 2000” Plan.
            Christians where living there forever ll they invaded.
            I don’t like you tone next time don’t adress me.

          4. Deflect from your shite brethren. It was the shite militias that carried out these acts AFTER they came to power. So you are saying that the shites did the yanks and zionists dirty work, which means the shites work for them. Bravo!
            As for not liking my “tone”, too bad! If you don’t want to be addressed then don’t post on a PUBLIC forum. Just don’t ask khameni to hang me. Ok?

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I don’t like you ..i never adressed you did i?

          6. Crazy people think everybody else is crazy

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So then, we all just look the other way โ€ฆ.. ๐Ÿ˜‰
            Why get in a snit about it? Not worth the blood pressure.

          8. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            It’s too stupid.

        4. Blah, blah, blah, you sound like a squabbling turkey, shut up with the ‘blame THE Zionists” rhetoric.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I’m sick of you; Blah, Blah, Blah? Reeelyy? Shut up yourself..you’re
            another Beiruti2halfimpostor, do you read your own “World Zionist
            Movement Organisation- Departement of Publicy? Zionists are the
            architectes of all this Chaos, the 1904 Theodorus Hell Motto is in full gear!

          2. I don’t doubt the zionists have a master plan for the Middle East but strangely enough Iran keeps coming out the winner in all those countries u just listed.

    2. cook2half Avatar

      Ariel Sharon is a hero, one of the best military commanders is history after he surrounded the 3rd Egyptian army in the Yom Kippur War

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        Haha, get off your knees and quit juggling. The man’s dead, you’re bordering on necrophilia at this point.

        1. cook2half Avatar

          Napoleon has been dead since (when was it? dont remember) and yet he’s still a hero and an inspiration

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            1821. Inspiration perhaps. A Corsican. One of the Military Minds who’s wins and losses are studied for ideas โ€ฆ at least โ€ฆ although the ‘formalities’ of war have changed hugely. And one of the few who finally died of natural causes. Amazing.
            I don’t think losing almost 600,000 troops in the Russian campaign makes him a ‘hero’ โ€ฆ although he had become Emperor over most of Europe at the time.
            Seems He Loved France. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He didn’t die of natural causes it was meant to look natural.
            They found arsenic in his hair.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hahahahaha

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I beg you pardon, why is that?

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hind. Best quesses are cancer of the stomach at tops – general health deteriorated by just existing in one place lowest (killed the spirit) โ€ฆ and who could test hair for arsenic in 1821 … and even if they could it has been found naturally in many things grown which we eat โ€ฆ and accumulation over a lifetime would explain it. Could have been lead too. Could have been any of the chemistries which cause cancer ingested in that age.

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Pleeaase..the test was done not in 1821, its France business you don’t have hang me for reading it once..and stop publishing where i live when you take a Gleenfidish or something.

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes Ma’m.

      2. Hopefully you will join that war criminal soon

  5. “They plan to call as many as 500 witnesses, including survivors and relatives of the victims, in a case that could stretch a year or more and has already cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.”

    Hariri Sr should be considered a martyr of Lebanon like our other martyrs who were killed by people Hariri Jr. is associated with (Jumblat, Geagea to list a few). How can Jr. ask the Lebanese people to finance and support his cause when he forms alliances with criminals that killed thousand of innocent Lebanese. These people are as valuable to their families as your father is to you
    I believe your father will be better remembered if you spend all this money on building a Children’s hospital or a cancer center and name after Rafic Hariri instead of wasting it on high paid funny looking people from other countries.

    It’s brick wall Jr. be careful not to bang your head on it. They are milking you.

    1. ...some guy Avatar
      …some guy

      In other words lets save the money and not worry about justice? would you say the same to a girl that was a victim of rape? as long as Lebanese people use a double standard for justice it will be an unblessed country enjoying its full recompense of current demise.
      Do onto others as if YOU were the others!!

      1. No that is not the other words. Now you are putting a spin on it, I never said criminals should not face justice. Look what is happening, he is supporting and financing criminals in Syria. His allies are criminals that us Lebanese been trying to put them in prison for long time. So what he is saying that his father is above and beyond all the innocent people that were killed by his criminal allies and the groups he support. That is what I’m saying Geo and you said it too “Do onto others as if YOU were the others!!”. I would respect the guy and support him if he practices what he preach.

        1. ...some guy Avatar
          …some guy

          Libnan , lets be honest about it as Lebanese we are sooo desensitized and dehumanized that only a couple of weeks have passed since several bombings have taken place in Beirut and we already stopped talking about the victims and the depth of evil of these crimes . we accept it as the norm! IT IS NOT NORMAL JUST BECASUE IT IS COMMON. Trust me when I tell you that I have no allegiance to any political party and I have no desire whatsoever to be a follower or a voter for anyone except God, all polticians are allies of criminals in one way or another, all of them keep moving the bar and the standard and flip flopping. I refuse to follow them or rely on them for justice of any kind. An honest politician that takes a stand for justice for all people of all sects is like the legend of sasquatch! I have heard of it but never seen one..so until then the one and only example is Jesus example and all the teachings that are so contrary to harboring and protecting killers. all the people that perished so far in all the high profile assassinations to the lowely ones that were not worthy of being named or mentioned are equal to mr harriri and are subject to godly judgment with all certainty. we must abstain and distance ourselves from lopsided and biased justice and compassion for only some.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Good man Geo, not enough people willing to accept fairness.

          2. ...some guy Avatar
            …some guy

            Thanks Maborlz but I only wish I was a good man, Just a troubled man that experienced injustice and don’t wish to partake in it.

          3. it’s not dehumanize or desensitive Geo.
            it’s accepting the realization you can’t change the past so better focus on today and tomorow. it is human nature to push back the memories inorder to continue life.
            i agree with you 100% that being common events does not legitimize it
            good luck stampig out the terrorist elements in lebanon who ever they are and what ever sect they belong to

          4. ...some guy Avatar
            …some guy

            Doron,
            Mc donalds doesnt make the best hamburger but if you eat a big mac any where in the world it tastes exactly the same! CONSISTENCY!!
            Whether our views are based on morals, spirituality or humanitarian basis we must be consistent in how we value justice. I never heard of mr harriri till his assassination, it is out of principle that unless he detonated the bomb himself that day to commit suicide I would like to see arrests and convictions.
            I recall a scripture that stated ” you don’t get sweet and bitter water from the same fountain” we have to make up our minds if we support one side of the killers or take a stand against all killings.

          5. Geo, I agree with what you said about criminals. They all should be convicted and put in jail. There are two types of criminals, the ones that do the killing and the ones that pay and conspire to do the act. Well Hariri Sr was the later, he did not have a militia that did the killings but was paying others to do it. Casing point, you hear about the town of Abra and Majdelion (suburbs of Saida Hariri’s home town), well these towns were all Christians. Hariri Sr. conspired and paid militias to go and displace these people so he can take it over by buying out the Christians because they were afraid to come back. The only descent hospital in Saida was one owned and operated by Christian doctors, guess what they fled and he went on to buy the hospital and now it is as shitty as the other hospitals with modern equipment. Hariri Sr. is not as innocent as people make him to be.

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Libnan1. No-one thought he was particularly ‘innocent’. But he was rebuilding the country โ€ฆ wasn’t he? Wasn’t it a brief time when people felt ‘free’ from the previous too-many-years of ANGST ?
            AND he seems to have at least PAID something to the displaced – who wouldn’t have been if their neighbours had stood up for them. Voila, the Tribes.
            You think it’s better now????
            TODAY – in Tripoli – there is a FEMALE (with mother) who was selling her home โ€ฆ a Syrian man ‘bought it’ and moved his family in โ€ฆ made one payment as a ‘rent’ payment – and PROMISED the Total Payment when he could get his money from Syria. (The land of the wonderful brains.)
            OVER ONE YEAR AGO !! This was even ‘arranged’ through a Lawyer.
            Has the lady received anything since? Even a small monthly rent? NO.
            Are she and her mother on the edge of starvation all the time ? YES.
            Why was she selling? Because she lost her job of 15 years to a MALE nephew of the ‘boss’.
            Can she now force out the Syrian family? Can the Lawyer do anything? Can she have any justice from this? NO. NO. NO.
            Will they be happy when she dies?

            I don’t think the time of Hariri can quite be compared to the present.
            There has certainly been a reversal of the progress he had made.
            Comparison of his little sins to THIS MESS is barely relevant.

            AND THAT IS ALL FACT !

          7. wow.. i am sure they are more chocking stories like that all over lbn

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes โ€ฆ and I know of more as well. But the ‘reasons’ are all the same – with only slight variations on the results – which all end in abject depression, misery, and a failing health from stress and lack of nutrition – lack of ‘care’ especially by 18 of the ‘religious’ fatheads in POWER.
            I don’t believe for one moment that ANY of them represent a god.

          9. man-o-war Avatar

            Rebuilt the country? He grossly overcharged the government with his no bid contracts that he awarded his construction company. Who can even afford to go and enjoy the rebuilt areas of Beirut? Other than the elite that is

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            We assumed JOBS were next โ€ฆ. blew that out of the picture.
            Who would have visited the pile of rubble which was ‘downtown Beirut’.??
            By comparison, of course, we can now mention ‘electrical contracts’ I suppose?
            Or , perhaps, ‘defence contracts’??
            People were supposed to vote too โ€ฆ change politicians who gouged them.
            Lost concept, obviously.
            Watch what happens with ‘Oil&Gas contracts’ โ€ฆ. still watching??
            Are ‘the people’ voting on that too??
            HAS ANYONE HAD TIME TO BE EDUCATED ON WHAT THEY SHOULD BE VOTING FOR??
            Oh .. right โ€ฆ no history books allowed, no real lessons of life.
            SOME ‘businessmen’ get those โ€ฆ usually in France or USA.
            Then a few come back to gouge the peasants who are ‘believers’.

          11. man-o-war Avatar

            We know what happens when you “assume”…

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And that’s what happens when you try to ‘believe’.

          13. 5th, you know more than I do that Beirut was thriving city long before Hariri and Sunni clans were invented. It’s the private development that would have brought Beirut back not the government. People were ready to invest and build Beirut with a character. It’s like my young nephew said when visited Philly few years ago, it’s just like Beirut tall buildings and asphalt roads. That is not what Beirut used to be or at least from the pictures I saw of the old city

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes Libnan1 โ€ฆ and I believed too, at one point in time. I believed I would be there – at least more often. In 1971, I thought it was marvellous, it had a ‘life’ in day or night, people walked and talked freely (dodging the occasional young beggars of course), ate and drank and smoked very well at excellent restaurants not overly-priced … and there was construction along the lovely waterfront of new hotels and apartments โ€ฆ a VEGETABLE GARDEN on the ‘Signature Rocks’ everyone takes pictures of to remember sticking out from the shore โ€ฆ A Land of Fresh Wholesome food and people (generally) which you could see all the way up and over the mountains on the road to Damascus – into a lush valley up to the ‘Border Checkpoint’ – basically where the ‘good’ ended. (Put cameras away – guns are watching you.)
            I have pictures too. And a memory.

            Did Hariri have six years? No-one seems to be able to wait long enough for change to happen. They don’t understand that ‘revolution’ takes time. With proper ‘leadership’ from the religious brainiacs they may have succeeded in replacing ‘politicians’ with more ‘honest’ people. And dragging up the useless ‘past’ to prevent the future all the time doesn’t create one.
            TIME is the enemy. Only time.
            And I had to forget the place for a lot of it. More than half the people I knew there are dead โ€ฆ one got out to wherever โ€ฆ and the rest are going down too soon, as a ‘younger generation’ stuck in that ‘religious’ CONFESSIONAL stupidity. Their progeny either don’t exist, or have run away. Smart.
            I only relate what I know โ€ฆ and there’s little time left to do even that.
            It’s why some would like to have a history book.
            And leave it in the book.

            Now, I could also say that compared to my experiences in ‘The West’, Lebanon was a little ‘behind’ โ€ฆ there were bedouins camped in the shade of an overpass on the road north โ€ฆ the city had those narrow streets made for donkeys โ€ฆ and the child-beggars were there as they are now. Many things Definitely ‘old world’ even in 1971 โ€ฆ ALL visual things โ€ฆ for me a certain charm and culturally ‘together’ wonderfulness about it โ€ฆ. I am a romantic. And I AM capable of walking on a dirt path rather than a paved road too.
            WHAT indeed ‘makes’ ‘A PEOPLE’ ??
            Not that there are fancy ‘new’ buildings.
            But one assumes some โ€ฆ. not tents in rubble.

          15. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            All Arabs do it.. Igor was rigth.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And I see the ‘personal stories’ of facts should not be combined with any other thoughts โ€ฆ most don’t like to hear them, or think of why they ARE โ€ฆ and the downies flow into them. So I’ll restrict them only to the actual story.

          17. 5thDrawer Avatar

            TODAY – in Tripoli – there is a FEMALE (with mother) who was selling her home โ€ฆ a Syrian man ‘bought it’ and moved his family in โ€ฆ made one payment as a ‘rent’ payment – and PROMISED the Total Payment when he could get his money from Syria. (The land of the wonderful brains.)
            OVER ONE YEAR AGO !! This was even ‘arranged’ through a Lawyer.
            Has the lady received anything since? Even a small monthly rent? NO.
            Are she and her mother on the edge of starvation all the time ? YES.
            Why was she selling? Because she lost her job of 15 years to a MALE nephew of the ‘boss’.
            Can she now force out the Syrian family? Can the Lawyer do anything? Can she have any justice from this? NO. NO. NO.
            Will they be happy when she (and mother) dies?

            TODAY – In Beirut – there is a woman who was put into a wheelchair at age 14 by the ‘attitude’ of a Syrian in the 80’s. Made a paraplegic.
            Very strong now in the ‘GOD’ belief concept, YET She is well-educated, has 2 degrees, speaks and writes all three languages proficiently.
            Could NEVER find a job. Hard as she tries.
            She survives now only because her always-doting Father knew what is Lebanon, and LEGALLY left her ALL his possessions (over the two sisters who became married) – which set up a now-dwindling ‘fund’ to buy food and shelter with – and a little gas for his old car fitted with hand-controls for when she needs to travel a distance her own wheels will not take her.
            It is a question, due to never-ending health problems from being stuck in a wheelchair over a lifetime, whether the ‘fund’ will outlast her – seems the fund will die sooner. A JOB would be the preference.
            THREE STRIKES AGAINST HER.
            Female โ€ฆ and physically ‘handicapped’, AND no ‘male’ to back her up.
            (She is lovely, had a fellow who wanted to marry her, and he was killed.)

          18. ...some guy Avatar
            …some guy

            Libnan it does not surprise me if what you stated is true! I am simply not qualified to say with certainty that I was a witness to any of the crimes that take place in Lebanon every day. my only mission is to have a clean conscience as a spectator and not cheer and celebrate deed that are contrary to my faith and my principles. evil and injustice does not spread without followers and it is often that you and I are influenced to take sides to rally support for a portion of the fight that is destroying our homeland where our loved ones are struggling with all the mental and financial anguish that comes from the instability of a land with no justice.
            You are my brother and my views are not a personal attack but a suggested adjustment towards the safety of a neutral state of mind where we can refine ourselves in the role we play as spectators and not partakers of decades of bad barbaric behavior.

          19. Geo, I never though your comments were personal and I hope my answers were not perceived that way. I don’t approve of his killing but the following are some issues that might have caused his demise

            1. He was instrumental in supporting the Syrians in Lebanon so he can secure as much power as he could while the Christian Leadership was in disarray and the Shiites were busy liberating the South.

            2. He had a hand in rebuilding downtown Beirut on the expense of it’s original owners to become the play ground for him and his Saudi backers. Most ordinary Lebanese can’t even afford to park in DB but they are still paying for the debt. Owner were robbed by Solidaire.

            3. He used the Syrians to get what wants by bribing them with borrowed money on the expense of all Lebanese. It was estimated that 30% of Lebanon’s debt went to Syrian officials. This is debt that all Lebanese are paying for so can Sunnis get more power.

            4. Hariri was playing a dangerous game by shoving his nose up Francois Mitterrand ass and increasing the French influence in Lebanon to the dismay of other superpowers US

            5. After Hariri got what he wanted from the Syrian he tried to go around them. He finally did something he should have done way back when the GREAT was trying to do the same thing 17 yrs earlier.
            6. He supported Militias to fight the LA under the command of our Brave man. So he had many enemies in the LA as well especially the intelligence unit.

            I strongly believe he was killed because of combination of interests that he conspired against and not a single issue like the Syrian thing. BTW the equipment needed to jam his frequency were never available in Syria.

          20. ...some guy Avatar
            …some guy

            One more important point, Mr Harriri very likely was not wacked for any other reason than opposing the syrian occupiers that exploited, abused and jailed many lebanese people over 3 decades.

          21. man-o-war Avatar

            How much money did Hariri Sr. make with the no bid contracts he gave to his construction company? Built up an area in Beirut that the majority of Lebanese can barely afford a cup of coffee in. I’m sure he did some good things for Lebanon, but he lined his pockets every chance he could get.

          22. man-o-war Avatar

            He was worth ~1 billion when he became prime minister and his net worth was around ~15 billion when he was assassinated. Wow! Corruption had reached its highest point when he was in charge. He made all that money at the expense of the average Lebanese. He lined his and his cronies pockets.

          23. man-o-war Avatar

            He used strong arm mafia style tactics to force land owners and businesses to sell for pennies on the dollar.

          24. That is correct. The only way he was able to do so is by bribing the Syrians.

          25. Exactly, read my detailed comment I was writing when you posted. He made many Sunnis rich on the expense of Lebanon. I know couple of dumb engineers that went back and became milliners just because they were Sunnis.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Just keep those terrorists with same ideology, Israel and Saudi Fat Rats
            Azzam Brigade said it will continue Emir Maged work..be happy

          27. saudi terrorists against iranian terrorists and they all blame israel

          28. lol share your views on the third temple above por favor ๐Ÿ˜›

          29. can’t find it, long thread but i support you 100% ๐Ÿ™‚

          30. lol, im more zionist fanatic than Jewish people are

          31. you sure are ๐Ÿ™‚
            way more harsh then me and have more knowledg then me i have to admit
            cheers

          32. Ive been posting on CNN for a year, a lot of what ive learnt is from other posters.
            Sigh.. what dyou think the outcome of the “peace talks” will be? thank god the PA keeps asking for more demands and complicates things, or else Judea and Samaria would have been gone years ago.

          33. this is a charade and the only player not aware of that is kerry.

            PA is falling and no one talks about it.

            unra workers are on strike for a month and a half now so no distribution of good to the refugies.and no one talks about it

            2 days ago the people took to the streets of rammalha calling to remove the fat PLO leaders. 15 killed, among them police officers and no one talks about it

            the reason no one talks about it is that if abu mazen is not legitimate to his people then who stands for PA in talks??

            AQ is already out there and gaining momentum.and they don’t advertise palestine.they advertis world califat so they work to bring down PA from within.

            so to your Q: what ever agreements kerry would force out of abas and us will not hold a year

          34. UNRWA is on strike? I never even knew this. media picking and choosing I guess.

            This fiasco must stop. Once a pally state is established, it cannot be annexed ever again.

            I dont have a problem with them having autonomy, even a state, in Areas A and B. They are the majority there (97% of West Bank Arabs live in A and B) and therefore deserve their own rule. But giving Area C is out of the question! Al Qaeda will be welcome and walk in whenever.

          35. google Unra strike , you’ll see it
            if AQ is in there will be war ,no doubt about it and it’s not good for israel

          36. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            The only one that stand for the Palestinians is in prison since a long time..
            Israel like stupid Abbass

          37. barguti?

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes..good.

          39. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            As i said above, you’re a crazy US Christian Zionist, rigth wing fanatics.
            80 millions want to replace ME original Christians.

          40. lol I thought im a “mini hitler” with a pet cobra.

            Jesus is love, and he forgived =) what kind of sick christian am I lolol

          41. man-o-war Avatar

            It’s at the top of the page, but does it matter what he said or what I said, I guess not since you support something you didn’t read 100%. I have to admit nobody sticks together like the zionist. I’m envious at times of that unity you guys have.

          42. man-o, I do stick with Arabs and have respect for many of them. For every couple dozen Arabs I know in Israel, I know only one Jew.

          43. i was joking and i found it now thanks ๐Ÿ™‚
            actually i don’t agree with cooki on this one (sorry ..)
            the way i see it, no point in pouring oil on fire if you ask me

          44. man-o-war Avatar

            I also don’t mind if Jews or Christians want to pray there. Only fanatics care about that type of thing. I think it could be shared, but Muslims and Jews are too arrogant to pray at the same location, much less at the same time.

          45. only the messiach dolts among jews want to go there
            zionizm is not messiachist judaism.
            personally i would not go there because in the temple stood the holliest place where the covenent stood. steping in there was and is forbidden to all but high prist.
            since the house is gone and no one knows exactly where the holly spot is i will not risk steping into that by mistake so..one less extreemist to worry about ๐Ÿ™‚

          46. Have you been to east Jerusalem or West Bank before? Ive never been

          47. ofcourse i did .i’m an israeli
            nice place east jerusalem , reall ancient place and the history is all around.
            west bank is a very large place, had a gf that lived in ariel and visited the casino the PA built there before the second intifadah ๐Ÿ™‚

          48. Im not allowed to go to the West Bank (security reasons) but id love to go. I have so much respect for the settlers, they are the real zionists of today.

          49. and for a good reason, you’d start the 3rd inthifada all by yourself lol.

          50. lol

          51. man-o-war Avatar

            Interesting, I didn’t know that. You learn something new everyday. Thanks

          52. my pleasure

          53. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            doron, really, can’t you admit both Saudi and Israel want to nuke Iran?

          54. That is not the case

          55. nope, i’d say they both want to stop iran’s inspirations to elevate itself to a regional power status.
            it doesn’t implay that they cooperate together or planning a war not to say A bomb anyone

          56. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Ha hah ..that’s funny look at the “bomb” ๐Ÿ™‚

          57. funny, nice drawing
            a dog can’t change it’s skin and iran can not as well, unfortunatlly it’s far from over

          58. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Don’t let this man worry you.. Likud is always looking for a War even if they
            blow up the planet along, its called “the Samson Option” invented by Sharon
            the greatest General in the history of humanity, easy to threaten the planet to
            get what you want.

          59. so does or did hizbolah,hamas,nusrafront, assad, plo,iran, MB.
            true to every side of the coin .
            sharon has nothing to do with “samson’s choice ” but why should it stop you
            threatening the planet is another cr(a)p, you’re probably confused us with north korian , after all we do look alike
            the gretest general in human history was gingis khan but i’m sure sharon would appriciate the compliment

          60. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He said on Television to the US “The Samson Option” is widely known.

          61. “invented by Sharon” you said

          62. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, he was yelling and banging his fist on the table, since then the Samson Op exist..in dicussions.

          63. now that is the poorest comment you have ever made Hind
            check facts before posting

          64. and besided “semson’s choice” is hardlly threatening the world.
            it’s a defence tactic , a warning and not a threat: “sure, you might have the means to destroy us. be warned that if you do that, we have the cababilities to destroy you as well.”
            MAD dear prevented the WWIII so far, it always work when you deal with logical people. it’s the emotional ones that make all the bad call

          65. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            My facts are checked since a long time: After Lebanon’s invasion wich my
            oncle and his wife watched live on television, US soldiers were protecting
            the women children and elderly left in Sabra Shatilla, against Sharon and
            the phalangists- where Secretary of States James Baker gave a promess
            of honor to protect the camps after the PLO accepted to be exiled to Tunisia, Begin managed to convince the US, Israeli soldiers were quite cappable of guarding the camps, my oncle said; “oh my God..they will be massacred”.
            The next day they started the massacre, the World was kept in total
            black out during a 3 days, unawear, by the 3d day the news came out.

          66. i meant facts for “samson’s choice “. you clearly got them wrong

          67. “invented by Sharon” you said

          68. “invented by Sharon” you said

          69. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He said on Television to the US “The Samson Option” is widely known.

          70. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            How can you compare the Palestinian- who were robbed of their land?
            I know we’re living in a surealistic world, but still, lets imagine Lebanese
            been invaded instead, they would have been called “terrorists” for resisting
            the occupier? Palestinians are human beings as the Lebanese.
            The Geneva Convention give the rigth for people living under occupation
            to armed resitance against the occupiers.
            The World was brainwashed by guilt about the Holocaust, Palestinian are demonised to the point they’re reffered to as terrorists like, Hamas,
            Al Nusra front (Al Qaeda)?

            I said the Planet destroyed, if there was a Nuclear WW3.

          71. it’s all in the eye of the beholder dear.

            you say palis ar human beings and i totaly agree, but it doesn’t mean for a sec i believe they don’t harbor terorists among them!

            the sight and smells of suicide bombing of second inthifada is still to clear in my mind

            you say the world is brainwashed by haulocust i see it differently

            i say that the world is brain washed by pics of poor palis so it looks the other way when they perform their terror acts , mass murdering of children with the lame excuse that they will be IDF soldiers one day and deserve to die ?armed resistance my a$$

            in my world i have the right and obligation to kill these terrorists mf’s before they kill another israeli!

            it’s all in the eye of the beholder

            “Palestinian are demonised to the point they’re reffered to as terrorists”?really? shooting 100 + rockets aday at israeli towns is not terrorisem?

            blowing up busses with the intention to kill civilians is not terrorisem?
            getting into a house and butcher 3 babies with knifes is not terrorisem?
            and you always have the lame excuse :”the israelis made us do that”?
            they are not even brave enough to be called freedom fighters as their charade to the world say. just plain terrorists

          72. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            When i hear “palis” it say’s it all it could be baskets, paleologue craft, empaled species of animals.

            In 1948 there where no PLO no Hamas no suicide bombe, wich came first? It’s like puting the carriage before the horse, i could stop here, but your founding fathers introduced terrorism in the Holly Land, they attacked Moslems, Christians, Palesrinian Jews and the British.

            Intifada was provoked by the condition living under Israel booths with
            no dignity, no fututur, no hope, there was not a single weapon in occupied territories, no Hamas, they were throwing stones, Rabin ordered the idf
            (like your p for palis) to breack bones with bigger rocks, soldiers holding teenagers on the ground placing an arm or a knee on a flat surface, whille others hammer on their bones, as they were breaking stones for a fire place.

            The day they call Nabka that i know for having had GG Father who
            lived in Haifa and left before 1948- Irgun came to Haifa in early hours
            of the morning when people were still in bed, they came in trucks with
            loud speakers shouting “you have 20mts to get out or what happened
            in Deir Yassin will happen to you”..is that winning a War?

            There was no army in Palestine..Arab armies only invaded after 1.750.000 Palestinian CIVILIANS were expelled or fled and 1.200.000
            fled to Gasa, wich became a refugee camp 3 generations before Hamas
            born, created by Sharon Mossad, as rival to secular Arafat after invasion
            of Lebanon. Israel couldn’t survive as Zionist plan wanted, without terrorisme,
            it couldn’t justify grabing land without the “terrorism” Israeli version is a lie.
            It brainwhashed Israelis and the World public opinion, with the powerfull
            World Zionist Movement, living in the West.

            Irgun’s 20minutess were calculated..people fled in their nigth gowns,
            some ran in panic barefoot carring children and helping the eldery,
            Zionists Jews did not keep only the Land and Real-Estates, but homes,
            the furnishing, boutiques, manufactures, stockyards, Jewish immigrant
            told in an article, there was still warm coffee in the cities kitchens. cities..villages were rased to the ground..all for free thfor free, no compensation, instead they put their hands on cities Bank account
            as if Palestinians were the invaders.. i would imagine if it happened to Lebanon.
            Nobody knows you’re not the only Semitic race in the World.
            Palestinans, Lebanese, Syrians are also Semitics.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Lebanon COULD NOT do it โ€ฆ inside Lebanon โ€ฆ every time anyone tried, they got blown away too. Even the first guy in history to figure out how to put the telephone-call records together and finally presented those (Eid), got killed.
          Or don’t you remember ?
          The whole stupid ‘sectarian way of life’ where no-one thinks they should confess anything (except Geagea), and on top of that shouldn’t be investigated for their crimes, meant it needed to be handled far away from the scene.
          Why do you think there have been later ‘battles’ over telephone records??
          The expense is CAUSED by the perpetrators. The JUSTICE is FOR Lebanese.

          Beyond that, if you worry so much about expenses, WHY is the infrastructure so crappy – no work, no jobs, no health care, no ‘safe’ Lebanon? If the place had those, the economy wouldn’t need to be begging all the time from the countries you love to hate.
          (and I didn’t even mention the electricity this time)

          1. Lebanon is a jungle! you don’t known when a bigger animal will attack you and eat you- for their survival. If the immigration door opens up to leave for good outside Lebanon for jobs, peaceful place to live, etc, no one would stay on Lebanon, A crappy place for long- the beautiful that everybody describe!

  6. “They plan to call as many as 500 witnesses, including survivors and relatives of the victims, in a case that could stretch a year or more and has already cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.”

    Hariri Sr should be considered a martyr of Lebanon like our other martyrs who were killed by people Hariri Jr. is associated with (Jumblat, Geagea to list a few). How can Jr. ask the Lebanese people to finance and support his cause when he forms alliances with criminals that killed thousand of innocent Lebanese. These people are as valuable to their families as your father is to you
    I believe your father will be better remembered if you spend all this money on building a Children’s hospital or a cancer center and name after Rafic Hariri instead of wasting it on high paid funny looking people from other countries.

    It’s brick wall Jr. be careful not to bang your head on it. They are milking you.

    1. In other words lets save the money and not worry about justice? would you say the same to a girl that was a victim of rape? as long as Lebanese people use a double standard for justice it will be an unblessed country enjoying its full recompense of current demise.
      Do onto others as if YOU were the others!!

      1. No that is not the other words. Now you are putting a spin on it, I never said criminals should not face justice. Look what is happening, he is supporting and financing criminals in Syria. His allies are criminals that us Lebanese been trying to put them in prison for long time. So what he is saying that his father is above and beyond all the innocent people that were killed by his criminal allies and the groups he support. That is what I’m saying Geo and you said it too “Do onto others as if YOU were the others!!”. I would respect the guy and support him if he practices what he preach.

        1. Libnan , lets be honest about it as Lebanese we are sooo desensitized and dehumanized that only a couple of weeks have passed since several bombings have taken place in Beirut and we already stopped talking about the victims and the depth of evil of these crimes . we accept it as the norm! IT IS NOT NORMAL JUST BECASUE IT IS COMMON. Trust me when I tell you that I have no allegiance to any political party and I have no desire whatsoever to be a follower or a voter for anyone except God, all polticians are allies of criminals in one way or another, all of them keep moving the bar and the standard and flip flopping. I refuse to follow them or rely on them for justice of any kind. An honest politician that takes a stand for justice for all people of all sects is like the legend of sasquatch! I have heard of it but never seen one..so until then the one and only example is Jesus example and all the teachings that are so contrary to harboring and protecting killers. all the people that perished so far in all the high profile assassinations to the lowely ones that were not worthy of being named or mentioned are equal to mr harriri and are subject to godly judgment with all certainty. we must abstain and distance ourselves from lopsided and biased justice and compassion for only some.

          1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Good man Geo, not enough people willing to accept fairness.

          2. Thanks Maborlz but I only wish I was a good man, Just a troubled man that experienced injustice and don’t wish to partake in it.

          3. it’s not dehumanize or desensitive Geo.
            it’s accepting the realization you can’t change the past so better focus on today and tomorow. it is human nature to push back the memories inorder to continue life.
            i agree with you 100% that being common events does not legitimize it
            good luck stampig out the terrorist elements in lebanon who ever they are and what ever sect they belong to

          4. Doron,
            Mc donalds doesnt make the best hamburger but if you eat a big mac any where in the world it tastes exactly the same! CONSISTENCY!!
            Whether our views are based on morals, spirituality or humanitarian basis we must be consistent in how we value justice. I never heard of mr harriri till his assassination, it is out of principle that unless he detonated the bomb himself that day to commit suicide I would like to see arrests and convictions.
            I recall a scripture that stated ” you don’t get sweet and bitter water from the same fountain” we have to make up our minds if we support one side of the killers or take a stand against all killings.

          5. Geo, I agree with what you said about criminals. They all should be convicted and put in jail. There are two types of criminals, the ones that do the killing and the ones that pay and conspire to do the act. Well Hariri Sr was the later, he did not have a militia that did the killings but was paying others to do it. Casing point, you hear about the town of Abra and Majdelion (suburbs of Saida Hariri’s home town), well these towns were all Christians. Hariri Sr. conspired and paid militias to go and displace these people so he can take it over by buying out the Christians because they were afraid to come back. The only descent hospital in Saida was one owned and operated by Christian doctors, guess what they fled and he went on to buy the hospital and now it is as shitty as the other hospitals with modern equipment. Hariri Sr. is not as innocent as people make him to be.

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Libnan1. No-one thought he was particularly ‘innocent’. But he was rebuilding the country โ€ฆ wasn’t he? Wasn’t it a brief time when people felt ‘free’ from the previous too-many-years of ANGST ?
            AND he seems to have at least PAID something to the displaced – who wouldn’t have been if their neighbours had stood up for them. Voila, the Tribes.
            You think it’s better now????
            TODAY – in Tripoli – there is a FEMALE (with mother) who was selling her home โ€ฆ a Syrian man ‘bought it’ and moved his family in โ€ฆ made one payment as a ‘rent’ payment – and PROMISED the Total Payment when he could get his money from Syria.
            OVER ONE YEAR AGO !! This was even ‘arranged’ through a Lawyer.
            Has the lady received anything since? Even a small monthly rent? NO.
            Are she and her mother on the edge of starvation all the time ? YES.
            Why was she selling? Because she lost her job of 15 years to a MALE nephew of the ‘boss’.
            Can she now force out the Syrian family? Can the Lawyer do anything? Can she have any justice from this? NO. NO. NO.
            Will they be happy when she dies?

            I don’t think the time of Hariri can quite be compared to the present.
            There has certainly been a reversal of the progress he had made.
            Comparison of his little sins to THIS MESS is barely relevant.

          7. wow.. i am sure they are more chocking stories like that all over lbn

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes โ€ฆ and I know of more as well. But the ‘reasons’ are all the same – with only slight variations on the results – which all end in abject depression, misery, and a failing health from stress and lack of nutrition – lack of ‘care’ especially by 18 of the ‘religious’ fatheads in POWER.

          9. man-o-war Avatar

            Rebuilt the country? He grossly overcharged the government with his no bid contracts that he awarded his construction company. Who can even afford to go and enjoy the rebuilt areas of Beirut? Other than the elite that is

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            We assumed JOBS were next โ€ฆ. blew that out of the picture.

          11. man-o-war Avatar

            We know what happens when you “assume”…

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And that’s what happens when you try to ‘believe’.

          13. 5th, you know more than I do that Beirut was thriving city long before Hariri and Sunni clans were invented. It’s the private development that would have brought Beirut back not the government. People were ready to invest and build Beirut with a character. It’s like my young nephew said when visited Philly few years ago, it’s just like Beirut tall buildings and asphalt roads. That is not what Beirut used to be or at least from the pictures I saw of the old city

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes Libnan1 โ€ฆ and I believed too, at one point in time. I believed I would be there – at least more often. In 1971, I thought it was marvellous, it had a ‘life’ in day or night, people walked and talked freely (dodging the occasional young beggars of course), ate and drank and smoked very well at excellent restaurants not overly-priced … and there was construction along the lovely waterfront of new hotels and apartments โ€ฆ a VEGETABLE GARDEN on the ‘Signature Rocks’ everyone takes pictures of to remember sticking out from the shore โ€ฆ A Land of Fresh Wholesome food and people (generally) which you could see all the way up and over the mountains on the road to Damascus – into a lush valley up to the ‘Border Checkpoint’ – basically where the ‘good’ ended. (Put cameras away – guns are watching you.)
            I have pictures too. And a memory.

            Did Hariri have six years? No-one seems to be able to wait long enough for change to happen. They don’t understand that ‘revolution’ takes time. With proper ‘leadership’ from the religious brainiacs they may have succeeded in replacing ‘politicians’ with more ‘honest’ people. And dragging up the useless ‘past’ to prevent the future all the time doesn’t create one.
            TIME is the enemy. Only time.
            And I had to forget the place for a lot of it. More than half the people I knew there are dead โ€ฆ one got out to wherever โ€ฆ and the rest are going down too soon, as a ‘younger generation’ stuck in that ‘religious’ CONFESSIONAL stupidity. Their progeny either don’t exist, or have run away. Smart.
            I only relate what I know โ€ฆ and there’s little time left to do even that.
            It’s why some would like to have a history book.
            And leave it in the book.

          15. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            All Arabs do it.. Igor was rigth.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And I see the ‘personal stories’ of facts should not be combined with any other thoughts โ€ฆ most don’t like to hear them, or think of why they ARE โ€ฆ and the downies flow into them. So I’ll restrict them only to the actual story.

          17. 5thDrawer Avatar

            TODAY – in Tripoli – there is a FEMALE (with mother) who was selling her home โ€ฆ a Syrian man ‘bought it’ and moved his family in โ€ฆ made one payment as a ‘rent’ payment – and PROMISED the Total Payment when he could get his money from Syria. (The land of the wonderful brains.)
            OVER ONE YEAR AGO !! This was even ‘arranged’ through a Lawyer.
            Has the lady received anything since? Even a small monthly rent? NO.
            Are she and her mother on the edge of starvation all the time ? YES.
            Why was she selling? Because she lost her job of 15 years to a MALE nephew of the ‘boss’.
            Can she now force out the Syrian family? Can the Lawyer do anything? Can she have any justice from this? NO. NO. NO.
            Will they be happy when she (and mother) dies?

            TODAY – In Beirut – there is a woman who was put into a wheelchair at age 14 by the ‘attitude’ of a Syrian in the 80’s. Made a paraplegic.
            Very strong now in the ‘GOD’ belief concept, YET She is well-educated, has 2 degrees, speaks and writes all three languages proficiently.
            Could NEVER find a job. Hard as she tries.
            She survives now only because her always-doting Father knew what is Lebanon, and LEGALLY left her ALL his possessions (over the two sisters who became married) – which set up a now-dwindling ‘fund’ to buy food and shelter with – and a little gas for his old car fitted with hand-controls for when she needs to travel a distance her own wheels will not take her.
            It is a question, due to never-ending health problems from being stuck in a wheelchair over a lifetime, whether the ‘fund’ will outlast her – seems the fund will die sooner. A JOB would be the preference.
            THREE STRIKES AGAINST HER.
            Female โ€ฆ and physically ‘handicapped’, AND no ‘male’ to back her up.
            (She is lovely, had a fellow who wanted to marry her, and he was killed.)

          18. Libnan it does not surprise me if what you stated is true! I am simply not qualified to say with certainty that I was a witness to any of the crimes that take place in Lebanon every day. my only mission is to have a clean conscience as a spectator and not cheer and celebrate deed that are contrary to my faith and my principles. evil and injustice does not spread without followers and it is often that you and I are influenced to take sides to rally support for a portion of the fight that is destroying our homeland where our loved ones are struggling with all the mental and financial anguish that comes from the instability of a land with no justice.
            You are my brother and my views are not a personal attack but a suggested adjustment towards the safety of a neutral state of mind where we can refine ourselves in the role we play as spectators and not partakers of decades of bad barbaric behavior.

          19. Geo, I never though your comments were personal and I hope my answers were not perceived that way. I don’t approve of his killing but the following are some issues that might have caused his demise

            1. He was instrumental in supporting the Syrians in Lebanon so he can secure as much power as he could while the Christian Leadership was in disarray and the Shiites were busy liberating the South.

            2. He had a hand in rebuilding downtown Beirut on the expense of it’s original owners to become the play ground for him and his Saudi backers. Most ordinary Lebanese can’t even afford to park in DB but they are still paying for the debt. Owner were robbed by Solidaire.

            3. He used the Syrians to get what wants by bribing them with borrowed money on the expense of all Lebanese. It was estimated that 30% of Lebanon’s debt went to Syrian officials. This is debt that all Lebanese are paying for so can Sunnis get more power.

            4. Hariri was playing a dangerous game by shoving his nose up Francois Mitterrand ass and increasing the French influence in Lebanon to the dismay of other superpowers US

            5. After Hariri got what he wanted from the Syrian he tried to go around them. He finally did something he should have done way back when the GREAT was trying to do the same thing 17 yrs earlier.
            6. He supported Militias to fight the LA under the command of our Brave man. So he had many enemies in the LA as well especially the intelligence unit.

            I strongly believe he was killed because of combination of interests that he conspired against and not a single issue like the Syrian thing. BTW the equipment needed to jam his frequency were never available in Syria.

          20. One more important point, Mr Harriri was not wacked for any other reason than opposing the syrian occupiers that exploited, abused and jailed many lebanese people over 3 decades.

          21. man-o-war Avatar

            How much money did Hariri Sr. make with the no bid contracts he gave to his construction company? Built up an area in Beirut that the majority of Lebanese can barely afford a cup of coffee in. I’m sure he did some good things for Lebanon, but he lined his pockets every chance he could get.

          22. man-o-war Avatar

            He was worth ~1 billion when he became prime minister and his net worth was around ~15 billion when he was assassinated. Wow! Corruption had reached its highest point when he was in charge. He made all that money at the expense of the average Lebanese. He lined his and his cronies pockets.

          23. man-o-war Avatar

            He used strong arm mafia style tactics to force land owners and businesses to sell for pennies on the dollar.

          24. That is correct. The only way he was able to do so is by bribing the Syrians.

          25. Exactly, read my detailed comment I was writing when you posted. He made many Sunnis rich on the expense of Lebanon. I know couple of dumb engineers that went back and became milliners just because they were Sunnis.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Just keep those terrorists with same ideology, Israel and Saudi Fat Rats
            Azzam Brigade said it will continue Emir Maged work..be happy

          27. saudi terrorists against iranian terrorists and they all blame israel

          28. cook2half Avatar

            lol share your views on the third temple above por favor ๐Ÿ˜›

          29. can’t find it, long thread but i support you 100% ๐Ÿ™‚

          30. cook2half Avatar

            lol, im more zionist fanatic than Jewish people are

          31. you sure are ๐Ÿ™‚
            way more harsh then me and have more knowledg then me i have to admit
            cheers

          32. cook2half Avatar

            Ive been posting on CNN for a year, a lot of what ive learnt is from other posters.
            Sigh.. what dyou think the outcome of the “peace talks” will be? thank god the PA keeps asking for more demands and complicates things, or else Judea and Samaria would have been gone years ago.

          33. this is a charade and the only player not aware of that is kerry.

            PA is falling and no one talks about it.

            unra workers are on strike for a month and a half now so no distribution of good to the refugies.and no one talks about it

            2 days ago the people took to the streets of rammalha calling to remove the fat PLO leaders. 15 killed, among them police officers and no one talks about it

            the reason no one talks about it is that if abu mazen is not legitimate to his people then who stands for PA in talks??

            AQ is already out there and gaining momentum.and they don’t advertise palestine.they advertis world califat so they work to bring down PA from within.

            so to your Q: what ever agreements kerry would force out of abas and us will not hold a year

          34. cook2half Avatar

            UNRWA is on strike? I never even knew this. media picking and choosing I guess.

            This fiasco must stop. Once a pally state is established, it cannot be annexed ever again.

            I dont have a problem with them having autonomy, even a state, in Areas A and B. They are the majority there (97% of West Bank Arabs live in A and B) and therefore deserve their own rule. But giving Area C is out of the question! Al Qaeda will be welcome and walk in whenever.

          35. google Unra strike , you’ll see it
            if AQ is in there will be war ,no doubt about it and it’s not good for israel

          36. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            The only one that stand for the Palestinians is in prison since a long time..
            Israel like stupid Abbass

          37. barguti?

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes..good.

          39. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            As i said above, you’re a crazy US Christian Zionist, rigth wing fanatics.
            80 millions want to replace ME original Christians.

          40. cook2half Avatar

            lol I thought im a “mini hitler” with a pet cobra.

            Jesus is love, and he forgived =) what kind of sick christian am I lolol

          41. man-o-war Avatar

            It’s at the top of the page, but does it matter what he said or what I said, I guess not since you support something you didn’t read 100%. I have to admit nobody sticks together like the zionist. I’m envious at times of that unity you guys have.

          42. cook2half Avatar

            man-o, I do stick with Arabs and have respect for many of them. For every couple dozen Arabs I know in Israel, I know only one Jew.

          43. i was joking and i found it now thanks ๐Ÿ™‚
            actually i don’t agree with cooki on this one (sorry ..)
            the way i see it, no point in pouring oil on fire if you ask me

          44. man-o-war Avatar

            I also don’t mind if Jews or Christians want to pray there. Only fanatics care about that type of thing. I think it could be shared, but Muslims and Jews are too arrogant to pray at the same location, much less at the same time.

          45. only the messiach dolts among jews want to go there
            zionizm is not messiachist judaism.
            personally i would not go there because in the temple stood the holliest place where the covenent stood. steping in there was and is forbidden to all but high prist.
            since the house is gone and no one knows exactly where the holly spot is i will not risk steping into that by mistake so..one less extreemist to worry about ๐Ÿ™‚

          46. cook2half Avatar

            Have you been to east Jerusalem or West Bank before? Ive never been

          47. ofcourse i did .i’m an israeli
            nice place east jerusalem , reall ancient place and the history is all around.
            west bank is a very large place, had a gf that lived in ariel and visited the casino the PA built there before the second intifadah ๐Ÿ™‚

          48. cook2half Avatar

            Im not allowed to go to the West Bank (security reasons) but id love to go. I have so much respect for the settlers, they are the real zionists of today.

          49. and for a good reason, you’d start the 3rd inthifada all by yourself lol.

          50. cook2half Avatar

            Plus ill bring a crowd. Machete and Linsday Lohan will come and join me.

            http://static.guim.co.UK/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2010/9/6/1283770906875/Lindsay-Lohan-in-Machete-006.jpg

          51. lol

          52. man-o-war Avatar

            Interesting, I didn’t know that. You learn something new everyday. Thanks

          53. my pleasure

          54. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            doron, really, can’t you admit both Saudi and Israel want to nuke Iran?

          55. cook2half Avatar

            That is not the case

          56. nope, i’d say they both want to stop iran’s inspirations to elevate itself to a regional power status.
            it doesn’t implay that they cooperate together or planning a war not to say A bomb anyone

          57. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Ha hah ..that’s funny look at the “bomb” ๐Ÿ™‚

          58. funny, nice drawing
            a dog can’t change it’s skin and iran can not as well, unfortunatlly it’s far from over

          59. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Don’t let this man worry you.. Likud is always looking for a War, even if they
            blow up the planet along, its called “the Samson Option” invented by Sharon
            the greatest General in the history of humanty, easy to threaten the planet to
            get what you want.

          60. so does or did hizbolah,hamas,nusrafront, assad, plo,iran, MB.
            true to every side of the coin .
            sharon has nothing to do with “samson’s choice ” but why should it stop you
            threatening the planet is another cr(a)p, you’re probably confused us with north korian , after all we do look alike
            the gretest general in human history was gingis khan but i’m sure sharon would appriciate the compliment

          61. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            He saidon Television to the US “The Samson Option” is widely known.

          62. “invented by Sharon” you said

          63. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes, he was yelling and banging his fist on the table, since then the Samson Op exist..in dicussions.

          64. now that is the poorest comment you have ever made Hind
            check facts before posting

          65. and besided “semson’s choice” is hardlly threatening the world.
            it’s a defence tactic , a warning and not a threat: “sure, you might have the means to destroy us. be warned that if you do that, we have the cababilities to destroy you as well.”
            MAD dear prevented the WWIII so far, it always work when you deal with logical people. it’s the emotional ones that make all the bad call

          66. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            My facts are checked since for a long time, after Lebanon invasion wich my oncle and his wife watched live on television, US soldiers were protecting the women children and elderly left in Sabra Shatilla, against Sharon and the phalangists- where Secretary of States James Baker gave a promess of honor to protect the camps after the PLO accepted to be exiled to Tunisia, Begin managed to convince the US, Israeli soldiers were quite cappable of guarding the camps, my oncle said; “oh my God..they will be massacred”.
            The next day they started the massacre (as we know there was a 3 days of
            total black out) the World was unawear, by the 3d day the news came out.

          67. i meant facts for “samson’s choice “. you clearly got them wrong

          68. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            How can you compare the Palestinian- who were robbed of their land?
            I know we’re living in a surealistic world, but still, lets imagine Lebanese
            been invaded instead, they would have been called “terrorists” for resisting
            the occupier? Palestinians are human beings as the Lebanese.
            The Geneva Convention give the rigth for people living under occupation
            to armed resitance against the occupiers.
            The World was brainwashed by guilt about the Holocaust, Palestinian are demonised to the point they’re reffered to as terrorists like, Hamas,
            Al Nusra front (Al Qaeda)?

            I said the Planet destroyed, if there was a Nuclear WW3.

          69. it’s all in the eye of the beholder dear.

            you say palis ar human beings and i totaly agree, but it doesn’t mean for a sec i believe they don’t harbor terorists among them!

            the sight and smells of suicide bombing of second inthifada is still to clear in my mind

            you say the world is brainwashed by haulocust i see it differently

            i say that the world is brain washed by pics of poor palis so it looks the other way when they perform their terror acts , mass murdering of children with the lame excuse that they will be IDF soldiers one day and deserve to die ?armed resistance my a$$

            in my world i have the right and obligation to kill these mf’s before they kill another israeli!

            it’s all in the eye of the beholder

            “Palestinian are demonised to the point they’re reffered to as terrorists”?really? shooting 100 + rockets aday at israeli towns is not terrorisem?

            blowing up busses with the intention to kill civilians is not terrorisem?
            getting into a house and butcher 3 babies with knifes is not terrorisem?
            and you always have the lame excuse :”the israelis made us do that”?
            they are not even brave enough to be called freedom fighters as their charade to the world say. just plain terrorists

          70. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            When i hear “palis” it say’s it all it could be baskets, paleologue craft, empaled species of animals.

            In 1948 there where no PLO no Hamas no suicide bombe, wich came first? It’s like puting the carriage before the horse, i could stop here, but your founding fathers introduced terrorism in the Holly Land, they attacked Moslems, Christians, Palesrinian Jews and the British.

            Intifada was provoked by the condition living under Israel booths with
            no dignity, no fututur, no hope, there was not a single weapon in occupied territories, no Hamas, they were throwing stones, Rabin ordered the idf
            (like your p for palis) to breack bones with bigger rocks, soldiers holding teenagers on the ground placing an arm or a knee on a flat surface, whille others hammer on their bones, as they were breaking stones for a fire place.

            The day they call Nabka that i know for having had GG Father who
            lived in Haifa and left before 1948- Irgun came to Haifa in early hours
            of the morning when people were still in bed, they came in trucks with
            loud speakers shouting “you have 20mts to get out or what happened
            in Deir Yassin will happen to you”..is that winning a War?

            There was no army in Palestine..Arab armies only invaded after 1.750.000 Palestinian CIVILIANS were expelled or fled and 1.200.000
            fled to Gasa, wich became a refugee camp 3 generations before Hamas
            born, created by Sharon Mossad, as rival to secular Arafat after invasion
            of Lebanon. Israel couldn’t survive as Zionist plan wanted, without terrorisme,
            it couldn’t justify grabing land without the “terrorism” Israeli version is a lie.
            It brainwhashed Israelis and the World public opinion, with the powerfull
            World Zionist Movement, living in the West.

            Irgun’s 20minutess were calculated..people fled in their nigth gowns,
            some ran in panic barefoot carring children and helping the eldery,
            Zionists Jews did not keep only the Land and Real-Estates, but homes,
            the furnishing, boutiques, manufactures, stockyards, Jewish immigrant
            told in an article, there was still warm coffee in the cities kitchens. cities..villages were rased to the ground..all for free thfor free, no compensation, instead they put their hands on cities Bank account
            as if Palestinians were the invaders.. i would imagine if it happened to Lebanon.
            Nobody knows you’re not the only Semitic race in the World.
            Palestinans, Lebanese, Syrians are also Semitics.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Lebanon COULD NOT do it โ€ฆ inside Lebanon โ€ฆ every time anyone tried, they got blown away too. Even the first guy in history to figure out how to put the telephone-call records together and finally presented those (Eid), got killed.
          Or don’t you remember ?
          The whole stupid ‘sectarian way of life’ where no-one thinks they should confess anything (except Geagea), and on top of that shouldn’t be investigated for their crimes, meant it needed to be handled far away from the scene.
          Why do you think there have been later ‘battles’ over telephone records??
          The expense is CAUSED by the perpetrators. The JUSTICE is FOR Lebanese.

          1. Lebanon is a jungle! you don’t known when a bigger animal will attack you and eat you- for their survival. If the immigration door opens up to leave for good outside Lebanon for jobs, peaceful place to live, etc, no one would stay on Lebanon, A crappy place for long- the beautiful that everybody describe!

  7. Arrest warrant on Khamenei yet?

  8. cook2half Avatar

    Arrest warrant on Khamenei yet?

  9. Aqsa vs. third temple discussion

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      I guess we will have to wait and see which “Cancer” wins! Maybe the HA will get a lucky shot in and it will burn to dust the Baha’i temple in Haifa, that would be funny, right cook2long?

      Why do you want the Zionist to burn al Aqsa down, so you can play victim again when the retaliation begins? I heard the new end of the world date is July 27th, maybe you guys can burn it down on that day. Ooooo, it would be cool if you guys could drop a nuclear bomb on it, I’m surprised you haven’t suggested that solution yet. or is that the final solution?

      1. Judea and Samaria is rich in Jewish history, why must invaders invade, hmmmm? No one built a church or synagogue in Mecca.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          “Why must invaders invade?” good question! (sarcasm) Maybe you should stop reading stories and start paying attention to real life. Like why the zionist fanatics insist on destroying a place of worship that has been around for the past 1300 years. Anyway, you guys are free to do what you want, just don’t come back on Yalibnan playing victim when the $&*# hits the fan. Have fun!

          1. Its not stories, its real. Just try and hit the Jews again.

            Zechariah 14:12 – And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            There it is! Damn it technology!

        2. man-o-war Avatar

          I’ve replied twice to this, but it still won’t show up. “Why must invaders invade?” Good question! (sarcasm)

          The mosque has been around for 1300 years, why do the zionist fanatics want to destroy a place of worship? Anyway, you guys are free to do what you want, just don’t come back here playing victim, when the $%#@ hits the fan because of your stupidity.

          Are you guys trying to hasten the end of days by rebuilding the temple and ushering the return of the messiah? More stories I guess. Have fun

          1. I got your reply, also the other day I had to post something twice (even though my disqus history said its already posted?)

            Have you read the New Testament? Its the best thing ive read in the whole world. The synoptic gospels are so full of history and emotion.

            The third temple will be rebuilt by Jesus. You love your mosque, okay, take it somewhere else, like how the French delivered hundreds of different pieces to eventually put it all together into the Statue of Liberty.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            No, I can’t say that I have. What happened to the Old Testament?
            Does the Mosque need to be destroyed for Jesus to rebuild the temple? Why don’t you guys just wait for his return and let him deal with it?

            1300 year old mosque and the Statue of Liberty, yeah same thing. (Sarcasm again, but I think we’ve communicated enough that you can pick up on it by now)

          3. Ive never read the Old Testament, just the New Testament. Now, I cant say I like the kumbaya singing church obsessed folk, not even a bit, but reading it by myself is enjoyable.

            I dont mind there being a mosque in Jerusalem, even build one in Tel Aviv for all I care. Its just the specific spot in which its built which is not exactly the nicest thing to do.

            lol come on at least im comparing the mosque with liberty. Both liberty values.

          4. ...some guy Avatar
            …some guy

            Mano, please note Jesus return would not be physical if you dig in the scriptures it does not jive with the purpose of his return.

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You’re not a non-Jew Iranian..you’re American Christian Zionist Evangelist,
            the most stupid fanatic rigth wing redneks existing in the World..they live in
            close circuits don’t read the Ancient Testament..say the Bible is too left sided
            it needs to be modernised (to the Rigth), soon will have a modern Zionist Bible.

          6. lolololololol

        3. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          When David invaded Jerusalem, in beginning of 10th cent BC., Genesis was already writen, and Jerusalem was already a city of worship to the Highest God, Shalem in Genesis.

          1. correction, 10th cent BC, don’t throw 2000 years away ๐Ÿ˜‰

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Forgot the BC.

          3. 3000 years ago the fouder of a nation conquered a city from people who don’t exist anymore (yevusi) and started his dinesty from there
            pretty much every dinesty start like that and pretty much every city was conquered some time so i really don’t get your point

  10. cook2half Avatar

    Now this is good news, but 2014 will be ideal when masjed al aqsa, the CANCER built on top of the second temple (typical muslim behavior), is burnt to dust.

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      I guess we will have to wait and see which “Cancer” wins! Maybe the HA will get a lucky shot in and it will burn to dust the Baha’i temple in Haifa, that would be funny, right cook2long?

      Why do you want the Zionist to burn al Aqsa down, so you can play victim again when the retaliation begins? I heard the new end of the world date is July 27th, maybe you guys can burn it down on that day. Ooooo, it would be cool if you guys could drop a nuclear bomb on it, I’m surprised you haven’t suggested that solution yet. or is that the final solution?

      1. cook2half Avatar

        Baha’i temple wasnt built on the spot of another religion’s holiest site. If it was then even I would have a different view.

        All those stories ive read in the New Testament.. Judea and Samaria is rich in Jewish history, why must invaders invade, hmmmm? No one built a church or synagogue in Mecca.

        1. man-o-war Avatar

          “Why must invaders invade?” good question! (sarcasm) Maybe you should stop reading stories and start paying attention to real life. Like why the zionist fanatics insist on destroying a place of worship that has been around for the past 1300 years. Anyway, you guys are free to do what you want, just don’t come back on Yalibnan playing victim when the $&*# hits the fan. Have fun!

          1. cook2half Avatar

            Its not stories, its real. Just try and hit the Jews again.

            Zechariah 14:12 – And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            There it is! Damn it technology!

        2. man-o-war Avatar

          I’ve replied twice to this, but it still won’t show up. “Why must invaders invade?” Good question! (sarcasm)

          The mosque has been around for 1300 years, why do the zionist fanatics want to destroy a place of worship? Anyway, you guys are free to do what you want, just don’t come back here playing victim, when the $%#@ hits the fan because of your stupidity.

          Are you guys trying to hasten the end of days by rebuilding the temple and ushering the return of the messiah? More stories I guess. Have fun

          1. cook2half Avatar

            I got your reply, also the other day I had to post something twice (even though my disqus history said its already posted?)

            Have you read the New Testament? Its the best thing ive read in the whole world. The synoptic gospels are so full of history and emotion.

            The third temple will be rebuilt by Jesus. You love your mosque, okay, take it somewhere else, like how the French delivered hundreds of different pieces to eventually put it all together into the Statue of Liberty.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            No, I can’t say that I have. What happened to the Old Testament?
            Does the Mosque need to be destroyed for Jesus to rebuild the temple? Why don’t you guys just wait for his return and let him deal with it?

            1300 year old mosque and the Statue of Liberty, yeah same thing. (Sarcasm again, but I think we’ve communicated enough that you can pick up on it by now)

          3. cook2half Avatar

            Ive never read the Old Testament, just the New Testament. Now, I cant say I like the kumbaya singing church obsessed folk, not even a bit, but reading it by myself is enjoyable.

            I dont mind there being a mosque in Jerusalem, even build one in Tel Aviv for all I care. Its just the specific spot in which its built which is not exactly the nicest thing to do.

            lol come on at least im comparing the mosque with liberty. Both liberty values.

          4. Mano, please note Jesus return would not be physical if you dig in the scriptures it does not jive with the purpose of his return.

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You’re not a non-Jew Iranian..you’re American Christian Zionist Evangelist,
            the most stupid fanatic rigth wing redneks existing in the World..they live in
            close circuits don’t read the Ancient Testament..say the Bible is too left sided
            it needs to be modernised (to the Rigth), soon will have a modern Zionist Bible.

          6. cook2half Avatar

            lolololololol

        3. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          When David invaded Jerusalem, in beginning of 10th cent., Genesis was already writen, and Jerusalem was already a city of worship to the Highest God, Shalem in Genesis.

          1. correction, 10th cent BC, don’t throw 2000 years away ๐Ÿ˜‰

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Forgot the BC.

          3. 3000 years ago the fouder of a nation conquered a city from people who don’t exist anymore (yevusi) and started his dinesty from there
            pretty much every dinesty start like that and pretty much every city was conquered some time so i really don’t get your point

  11. Time to remove some insults

  12. cook2half Avatar

    Time to remove some insults

  13. GrapeLeaves Avatar
    GrapeLeaves

    Justice now for Hariri, and all the other people murdered for working on the investigation. Peace now.

  14. GrapeLeaves Avatar
    GrapeLeaves

    Justice now for Hariri, and all the other people murdered for working on the investigation. Peace now.

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