Abbas calls Jesus a Palestinian messenger

Bethlehem’s Nativity ChurchBETHLEHEM – Israel accused Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of trying to rewrite history by calling Jesus Christ a “Palestinian messenger.”

“He should have read the Gospels before uttering such offensive nonsense, but we will forgive him because he doesn’t know what he is doing,” Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said.

He called Abbas’ statements “an outrageous rewriting of history,” the Times of Israel reported.

In his Christmas message Monday, Abbas wrote Palestine “extends its warmest seasonal greetings. … In Bethlehem more than 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ was born, a Palestinian messenger who would become the guiding light for millions around the world,” Palestine News Network reported.

“We celebrate Christmas in Bethlehem under occupation. … We are thinking of our people in Gaza, trapped under siege. … Our prayers are with the churches and mosques of Jerusalem which remind the world of the Arab identity of our occupied capital,” Abbas wrote.

“We are in the middle of a negotiations process with Israel, and we are committed to bring a just peace to the region, including ending the occupation of the Holy Land with the establishment of a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the 1967 border with East Jerusalem as its capital.”

UPI

  • Patience2

    It’s odd, I never thought Abbas was full of ‘brown material’ until now. Are ALL Palestinians this misguided??

    • hezzies are terrorists

      R u serious? AbbASS has always been a scumbag. Fat old Israeli puppet

      • Hind Abyad

        Yes, but Israel eliminated all others..who had intelligence, vision and values..
        It don’t change Jesus was born in Palestine

        • Peaceforleb

          Hind, before this idiot worries about were Jesus was born, he should worry about knowing him first. Oh, hang on, sunni extremists don’t believe in Jesus. Only Omar, Abu Bakar and Aisha. Omar being their God. A God who enjoyed plenty of anal penertration.

          • 5thDrawer

            Hehehe …. I have a question for the masses … If Jesus was a Virgin Birth, why did they need to go to Joseph’s home-town to be ‘counted’?
            Clearly ALL the Tribes and the Romans had no respect for females … and has anything changed?? 😉

          • Hannibal

            lol behave…

        • hezzies are terrorists

          Lol ur terrorist cohort “thinks” by spreading lies that he/it will be believed in the future. Very easy to prove what it is saying is false. Terrorist alawites aren’t the brightest. 🙂

        • hezzies are terrorists

          When did I state he wasn’t born in Palestine?? I clearly was talking about abbASS

          • Hind Abyad

            And i was responding about Abbas..

          • Hey pretty face, jan 1st no more cigarettes right? couldn’t resist, either way I am damned today lol

          • Hind Abyad

            How did you guess? I had a terrible cold (it’s below 0), i didn’t smoke for 3 days..but yesterday i couldn’t resist.

          • Hind, I caught something terrible last sunday, my whole life I never experienced this much ache and pain, thankfully at the end of it today.

          • Hind Abyad

            What did you catch, it sounds like cold symptoms all your body aches before.
            Glad you’re out of it 🙂

          • Not sure want it was Hind, but it starts as a cough and quickly became achy bones to severe sweating to freezing, sensitivity to light and moaning like a little girl lol how embarrassing.
            Hind I live in a comfortable place and bless her heart my wife catered to me none stop and all I could think about the whole time is how does someone in war conditions get comfort, medicine ,warmth to deal with the mental anguish I was experiencing for only for 72 hours.

          • Hind Abyad

            These are exactly cold symptoms. Nothing worst than feeling miserable,
            Sad that people are insensitive about the human condition of those, living in war.

          • 5thDrawer

            Yup … can’t cure a cold … just suffer. In places with no care, it can become pneumonia … and death. Common … cold.
            Pump up the white cells … but as I say often, the ‘bugs’ evolve faster.

          • If you are not over it yet , juicing a blend of vegetables as much ginger as you can tolerate as a tea or juiced with other vegetables, carrots, kale, beets,dandylions. also read up on raw coconut oil it has huge benefits all around. and yes I still encourage you to give up the cigs its been on your mind many times, you can do it 🙂
            Good night friend!

          • Hind Abyad

            Thank you i will try, it’S worst this morning 🙂

          • 5thDrawer

            Sore throat goes away with small trickles of ‘Millefiori’ swallowed slowly.
            Gone in a day. 🙂
            (Translation … ‘A Thousand Flowers’. Sometimes Barley isn’t the answer ..)

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          It wasn’t called Palestine when he was born.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          That’s an anachronism. The region was not officially referred to as Syria-Palestina until a long time after he died. The locals also didn’t call it that.

          • cook

            Its so cute when muslims talk about history

          • Hind Abyad

            Ow stop it, there are tons of archives letters of Palestinans who left in end of 19century. In 1948 the new Israeli army (exterrorist gangs) systematicly robbed precious collector books from Palestinian private homes in Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem, it was called ‘The Greate book Robery’ so Palestinian next generation will not learn about their cultural heritage. (diabolic).

          • AfRyT

            I couldn’t helped to add that Churchill itself gave the order to defile all Christians from Palestine to get rid of them first, and then dealing with muslims and avoiding international disapproval.
            In the Lebanese Chronicles that survived is mentioned that Palestine was a sister city of Phoenicia when a crowd of Ragged lazy bums (the Jews) was roaming by the Nile in Egypt. Is also documented in the library of Alexandria.
            But hey what can You expect of the Jewish scribes they are an army adulterating History for their own benefit, truly organized crime they are.

          • Hind Abyad

            The Greeks gave the name Phoenicia to the coast, from Latakieh to Achre.Rigth.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            And the King of Phoenicia sold cedar to King Shlomo of ISRAEL to build the first Temple in Jerusalem.

          • Patience2

            And it never stopped, everybody used Lebanese cedar ’till today there are about 3000 trees left up around Tripoli!

          • Hind Abyad

            This is turning in circles.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          Jesus was born in an area that was referred to by a few Greeks that way and later referred to by some more as ‘Palestine’. It was known to him and to those around him as Israel.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        Agree on the first point, disagree on the second.

    • Hind Abyad

      It’s odd being a blinded ignorant misguided foreigner born yesterday…
      Jesus was a Palestinian. Palestine social fabric has been destroyed by Israel, since the
      second Palestinian generation, Abbas is born in that social fabric in the firts one, now gone.
      In 1948, 23% Palestinians were Christians today they are 1%.. he spoke Aramean wich still is spoken in Syrian Christian villages. Palestine and Lebanon were in Greater Syria wich was then called, the Fertile Crescent. Today the Middle East is in total decadence chaos and ruins.

      PS. Where did the expression “full of brown material” come from, some kind of supremacist ?

      • The real lebanese

        There were no Palestinians, just Jews who live in Palestine.
        Although Abbas is twisting his words, he is also right.

        • hezzies are terrorists

          A Palestine with no Palestinians? Whatever

          • The real lebanese

            The name Palestinians was given to the people who weren’t Jewish in Israel after ww2 when the jews from Europe were moving back to Israel.

          • Hind Abyad

            Jews, Moslems and Christians were living together in Palestine, if there was a Holocaust in Europe that doesn’t change past History.
            In 1948 Palestinian Jews also suffered from Irgun and Stern, non Jewish parents taking children to school with Jewish professors, were shot in front of the class, Jews who continued had their front windows brocken, forced into paying huge sums of money to gangster style extortions.

          • 5thDrawer

            what do you mean by using ‘if’ ??
            All the history is correct.

          • Hind Abyad

            humm? Let me see..oh yes, i wrote an abreviation of history, meaning;
            Palestinians were not not responsable for the Holocaust, they became
            the scapegoats of the World, not only of the Zionists.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Just because you want the story to be like that, doesn’t mean it was like that.

          • Hind Abyad

            Of course, Israel was founded. Palestinian Jews became Israelis.
            Palestinian Christians and Moslems remained Palestinians ..
            what’s all the Zionist fuss?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            ‘Palestinian Arabs’ was the name given to non-Jews until Israeli
            independence and Jordanian/Egyptian occupation. Then you had Israeli
            Arabs, Jordanians, Egyptians and Arab refugees from the Palestine war.
            The PLO changed that to ‘Palestinians’.

          • Hannibal

            The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin.
            The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including Ancient Egyptians,Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, the Sunni Arab Caliphates, the Shia Fatimid Caliphate,Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans, the British and modern Israelis and Palestinians.
            The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. The first mention is thought to be in texts of the temple at Medinet Habu, which record a people called the Peleset… The Assyrians called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu, beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c.800 BCE through to emperor Sargon II, in his Annals approximately a century later.
            The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece. Herodotus wrote of a “Palaistinê” in The Histories, saying “Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them,” understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.
            The Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth) – usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times.

          • Hind Abyad

            There it is..you think they will listen? Hah!

          • Patience2

            A REALLY good read, thanks a lot!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Peleshet means INVADER

          • 5thDrawer

            Thank god it’s not ‘Invader’. :-)))

            You’re welcome. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Cheers.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews were always moving back to Israel. They got somewhat better conditions to do so from the 19th century onwards and numbers increased. ‘Palestinian Arabs’ was the name given to non-Jews until Israeli independence and Jordanian/Egyptian occupation. Then you had Israeli Arabs, Jordanians, Egyptians and Arab refugees from the Palestine war. The PLO changed that to ‘Palestinians’.

          • Hannibal

            Well this picture shows you are wrong:

          • 5thDrawer

            If you insist on going into actual archives to get a picture, can you try to make it a descent size ?? My eyes just don’t do it any more. I can’t see the phone number for Carl Marx in the upper left …. :-))))

          • Hannibal

            LOL… I will try my best 😉

          • Hannibal

            and the following woman is neither Arab nor Jew… But her homeland was Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s Bethlehem?

          • vasile grasu

            and today,there are women,russian christian ,sudanese non-arab muslimas,who live in Israel.It is their country,homeland,whatever..what’s the point??!!??

          • vasile grasu

            was she Baha’i?

          • 5thDrawer

            With a hat like a Princess from Camelot, I’d say Christian. 😉

          • Hannibal

            True…

          • Hannibal

            Two Churches in the background? and pretty? I’d say Christian Levantine Aramaic…

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s not true, they were Palestinan Jews, as Iraqi Jews, Egyptians or Persians, that’s complete nonsense, Jews comming from Europe were not Palestinian, stop mixing oil with water.

        • Hind Abyad

          Typical AIPAC talking points, stop the comedy you’re Israeli impersonating
          a Lebanese.. the Jews who lived in Palestine were Palestinians, ligth bulb..
          The first Christians where Jews Canaan was the land of the Semitic race.
          Jews are a race not a religion, Palestinians are Semites as Syrians and
          Lebanese.. the twister is you! Your Allies, the other twisters Christian Evangelists said they will reedit the Bible, it’s too much to the left..i suppose they will say Jesus didn’t like the poor.. like the Pharisees.

          • The real lebanese

            The term Palestinian still wasn’t given until after ww2. Thanks for your long explanation for nothing.

          • hezzies are terrorists

            Actually youre wrong there.

          • The real lebanese

            No, Im right. Look it up

          • hezzies are terrorists

            Please provide proof

          • The real lebanese

            Its awaiting moderation :-/

            Jews, Muslims, and Christians were all one people before ww2. Israeli and Palestinian were given after the Balfour declaration

          • Hind Abyad

            Balfour was a vile anti Semite, Churchill sold Palestine to the World Zionist Movement, Rothschild. Palestine was not theirs to give, or to sell.

          • Guest

            VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!

          • 5thDrawer

            Oh POOP !
            Another ‘Franco-Phony’?

          • Hind Abyad

            There you go a new Malmequer Spy, all Zionists hate Quebéc and frankly my dear.. i don’t give a damn.

            PS. I see you already took your name away..

          • 5thDrawer

            I do seem to recall no-one else would let some ships dock.
            Churchill’s decision saved some lives … and IF any money was paid, it helped England after a war where they had very little help until their funds were depleted. Perhaps that was part of the American Business Model too … not that anyone would admit they hated England still having the navy it did in ’39.
            Canadians know who helped in the skies over England, and ran the supply ships.
            You think that also makes them Zionists? Too bad.
            And as soon as possible, the ‘Boat People’ attacked the British in their Mandate.
            But Churchill never regretted having given the help.
            Doing the ‘right’ thing is sometimes such a chore ….

          • Hind Abyad

            Typical English have a RIGTH to replenish their funds you say, on who’s back?

            The ‘Boat People’ attacked the British Mandate? Go back to school.
            Zionist terrorist groups drove ‘the British Mandate’ out.
            Menahem Begin Stern group Iszhak Shamir bombed King David Hotel British
            Army Headquarters in 1946.. What boat people..from the Bible writen by the
            Jews for the Jews? I should have listened to Igor warning me about you. .
            See how they treated the British Mandate they hanged them. They wanted all
            of Palestine while the English tried to be fair to the Balfour Declaration.
            What ‘boat People’

            British made fortunes till this day stabing Sheriff Hussein and colonel Lawrence
            (of Arabia) in the back.. they made deals with greedy Wahabi Fat sitting Rats,
            and Standard Oil, after Hashemites helped them win WW1 in returne, they
            helped ibn-Saoud conquer Arabia from the rulers of Mecca for 900yrs.
            Since then the Middle East dscending in the abiss look what they’re doing to
            Syria.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I agree that the British and French messed up the region even more.

          • 5thDrawer

            🙂 Started right off by misquoting. Actually putting words in my mouth. Tsk.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Well it previously belonged to the Ottomans, Mehmet Ali’s Egypt, the Ottomans, the Mamluks, the Ayyubids, the Crusaders, the Fatimids, the Seljuqs, the Ikshidids, Tulunids, Abassids, Umayyads, the Rashiduns, the Persians, Byzantines, Romans and………the Jews/Israelites. Whose was it to give???? Perhaps you believe that whomever is present at any given time has rights to the land on which they live no matter what. So if 5 million more Syrian refugees move to Lebanon, it will be their right to the country right?

          • 5thDrawer

            They already did that during 15 years of occupation …

          • Hind Abyad

            It was ruled, not belonged.
            What are 400 years of Ottomans in 6000 years..and the people were free, Ottomans were not burning and uprooting Olive trees, wich takes 100 yrears to reach maturity, that’s 4 or 5 generations and your Krazy settlers burn them…ouff

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Actually, the Arabs of ‘Palestine’ have never had a country specifically there. It was always part of an empire when they were the majority. Also, the Mamluks burnt down all the trees and greenery and towns and villages on the coast.All of the wars ravaged the lands. Also, stop changing the subject when having an argument.

          • Hind Abyad

            So because the Mamluks burnt down al trees that justifies the mad settlers burning Olive Trees?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            When did I say that??? That’s an illogical conclusion and you’re putting words in my mouth. I’m saying that far more destruction was done by Muslims in the past.

          • 5thDrawer

            For the sake of the trees, and perhaps the ancient farmers, I agree with you on that point. It’s like the wall trying to go through a convent farm. Asinine.

          • Hannibal

            Ottomans never ruled jabal Loubnan… 😉 we always kicked their ass and terrorized them like they did to the umayyad arab army before by the marada… And the Maronites printed Arabic text DESPITE the Turks in their monasteries although it was forbidden to do so. In reality the Maronite priests SAVED the Arabic language from systemic annihilation by the Ottomans.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Mamluks did rule though.

          • Hind Abyad

            I know.. i wish lebanese stop selling land to Saudi Rats.
            There were wars with the Druzes..who came to Lebanon after Christian Maronites.

          • Hannibal

            You are right 5 million refugees from Syria in Lebanon should go back to Syria as 5 million refugees from Europe in Palestine should go back to Europe… 🙂
            Shame on the Europeans to have treated the Jews that way… In the Levant they were our brothers and sisters and we enjoyed their company. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Syrian refugees have no history of ruling Lebanon or of Syrian Arabs living there. Jews originate in Palestine and have had sovereignty there in the past. They have an ethnic connection with the land. They weren’t refugees going to a random place. Furthermore, they ARE THERE NOW and so it is there right to choose by your logic who moves there. The Palis are not and so they don’t have any right by your logic.

          • Hind Abyad

            Who created refugees in the Middle East? First Palestinians then millions of refugees from Iraqi invasion now adding millions of refugees from Syria??

            Israel, US, Wahabis.
            Now Israel is allied with the Sauds ..the Blackness of the Middle East, Sunnis worldwide are distancing themselves from Wahabi Islam.

          • Hind Abyad

            The Balfour Declaration did not give Palestine to Israeli, there were no Israeli,
            it gave Jews a home in Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Palestinian is not a term, as Lebanese is not a term, it’s one of Aipac talking points. Funny for a Lebanese to say that Palestine is a term.
            You never went to school in Lebanon, you told me “i guess they started teaching French after WW2..They were teatching French since the Crusaders 1000 years ago, France founded the institutions and schools for Christians in Syria.
            Lebanon and Palestine were in Syria.

            PS. It may be that i give long explanations but your two lines are like water drops
            on a duck’s back.

          • Hind Abyad

            Of course, Israel was created after WW2 Palestinian Jews became Israelis, Moslems and Christians remained Palestinians, you call that a given term?
            The late Lebanese president father Pierre Gemayel, went to Haifa Saint Joseph College for his studies in French. Documents must be in the Gemayel’s heirlom.
            In fact he was in same classroom as my great-grandfather.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            RE-ESTABLISHED Hind, say RE-ESTABLISHED. Most of the countries of the region were created around that time with no history. Israel did have history.

          • Hannibal

            Phoenicia (Modern Lebanon and North Syria) reached out to the entire Mediterranean basin established many colonies, Carthage, Malta, Cyprus, Spain, Sicily, Sardinia etc… It was a beautiful trading empire… Israelis? What? lost in a desert eating manna? youhoooooo… 😛 lol

          • Hind Abyad

            Youre intelectualy lazy..

          • Hannibal

            The original plan of the Zionists included the South of Lebanon…
            See map.

          • 5thDrawer

            Wow .. another one .. the collection grows.
            I’ma gonna hava da ‘map-day’ soon, I’ma thinking. :-)))

          • Hannibal

            This map was the original map presented by The Zionist organization at the Paris Peace conference. These proposals were considered as background for the British proposal to be granted a mandate over Palestine in order to create a Jewish national home there, in fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration. The proposals include the boundaries envisioned by the Zionist organization. The land was under Ottoman rule and inhabited by Jews, Christians. Druze and Moslems. The majority spoke Levantine dialect the same dialect spoken by the Lebanese today with accent peculiarities. Some villages still spoke Syriac or a mix of Levantine Arabic/Syriac and the Jews maintained their Hebrew via their religious practices although they also spoke the Levantine dialect of Arabic same as the Syriac was semi maintained by the Maronites via the mass. Listen how here:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVDeUfRzj5U

            Islam and the Quran as people changed religion influenced the dialect as well to become the modern Lebanese we speak today the same as the Cypriot Levantine Arabic also known as kormakitis was influenced by Greek. Listen here to the Cypriot dialect of Arabic: (skip to the old folks speaking)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODysXq1fS6Q

            Also listen to this beautiful song:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS0-EMEv49o

            It is SAD that some consider themselves Arabs or Israelis since the land was one and inhabited by one people from Aramaic origins.

            The Arabs and the Zionists ruined the Middle East… A cross road of beautiful histories brought together by that history and NOT by religion.

          • Hind Abyad

            How true!! I am happy someone Finaly said it!!

          • Hind Abyad

            It still is, Moshe Dayan, when they invaded Lebanon with his buldozers digging for archeologic artifacts in Saida or Sour..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The map of many Lebanese included just the Mustarifiyya. Some Lebanese invited Jews to buy land around Sour.

          • Hind Abyad

            Ha Hah……….!

          • Hannibal

            They didn’t have to invite them as they lived there and had every right… I am speaking of the Jews who were there NOT the transplanted ones who were massacred by Hitler’s party… Those should have sought a homeland inside of Germany… 😉 That would have been a sight: An Israel in Bavaria. He He

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews aren’t from Germany, Jews are from Eretz YIsrael. Jews have never had any interest in a country in Europe.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            If that had been the map then you probably wouldn’t have Hezbollah 🙂

          • Hannibal

            So true… But again Israel would have been Lebanized… 😛

          • doron

            as hard as you try to convice yourself, there was never a state called palestine 😉
            the name was used by foreign occupiers of the land i.e greek and romans. the word itself if foreign and the strangest thing about this word :in arabic, the letter “P” does not exist it sounds more like “Balestin” ..how can it be the name of their annciant state when it collides with the launguage?strange…..

          • Hind Abyad

            Sorry i try to convince myself in your dreams, l say it’s rather you who’s trying hard to convince yourself, your the foreigner remember? Dont you reign on me and my History

          • doron

            define foreiger please, i’m decended from iraqi jews line,got my herigate documented back till 14’th centory, you on the other hand live in canada if i’m not mistaken?

          • Hind Abyad

            I live in Canada not born in Canada, my heritage goes back to the land of Canaan.
            Your family heritage was Mesopotamian, (Canaan), Iraq name given as you said by foreign conquerers (after WW1), Israel was born in 1948. .

          • Guest

            You are not Native of Canada but it’s OK for others like you to occupy Canada from Natives. However, it is not good for others to occupy Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Ha ha..! They tougth the world was flat, go argue with Christofpher Columbus, North, Central and South America.
            Dont worry, you took Palestine as a base from where Zionists contole the rest of America, Europe and the Middle East..and besides Zionists rule in Canada.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            KERAZY is a word that springs to mind.

          • Hind Abyad

            I say what i say as Zionists say what they say!!!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            So let me get this straight. If Arameans moved en masse to Lebanon and Syria and became the majority and revived Aramaic and declared independence, you would think that was bad huh?

          • Hind Abyad

            Aramean was the language in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon did not
            exist yet, Maronites were Syrians who fled up a Mountain in Syria
            called Mount Loubnan in 400 Ad, from persecutions by Nestorians
            and Jakobites.

          • 5thDrawer

            You would visit as a tourist to hunt buffalo I guess….

          • Hannibal

            She immigrated to Canada not usurped like your forefathers should have done not occupy and annex but immigrate LEGALLY… 😛

          • cook

            lol

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s what Albert Einstein said, i wished for my people to live in harmony with the Palestinians, not to travel collectively..

          • vasile grasu

            give them the opportunity,and they will make Canada the land of Allah,and expell you all non-sunni in..Groenland!!!they are bent to conquer the world and impose their death-cult!!For the beginning,they imagine they will have shia Irak and Iran,and “clean” them..like they make with the older inhabitants of the ME,the christians..1948,23% masihi in Canaan-Falastin,today..1%??! And continuing disappearing..thanks to the sunni..

          • 5thDrawer

            They’ll never get past The Great Manitou … and the drums will make them crazy.

          • 5thDrawer

            Actually it was sort of ‘legal’. The Natives opened their arms to them, and showed them how to survive a winter … much like the immigrants of today need to do … although the ‘opening of arms’ is more like ‘alms’ these days. 🙂
            I think the natives of the north moved away when they found the Brits and French didn’t take a bath more than once a year – and thus only arrived at the fur-trading posts after bath-day .
            In Virginia, on the other hand, once the natives showed them how to survive, they insisted on planting tobacco for a cash-crop – American business-models beginnings – which ruined the soil and the ecology; and they put up fences to keep the natives out of the tobacco. Which led to harder feelings than in Canada, where the natives helped Canuks defeat the Yanks very nicely when Yanks tried to expand the business.
            Of course, there were some minor differences after that. Some bloody Irish arrived to be cops. :-))))))

          • doron

            well.. i’m ME through generetions past, you have no right of calling me a foreigner or send me the hell out of ME

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Actually, all archeology shows that the Israelites didn’t invade and were actually Canaanites in origin. On the other hand, local Christians of Israel are a mixture of Aramean, Greek and Roman settlers who absorbed a few disgruntled Israelites.

          • Hind Abyad

            You skate too much.

          • Hannibal

            I wish they kept their canaanite identity… What a beautiful world this would be. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            ….Except that the Canaanites had a large cult that worshiped a golden cow and sacrificed their children to it.

          • Hannibal

            Hmmmmmmm… Really?

            32 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods[a] who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”

            2 Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b]Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”

            5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to theLord.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Yes Israel took a lot from Canaan, it is largely descended from it but no longer burnt its children. Monotheism fought polytheism and idolatry for many centuries in Israeli history as shown in the Bible.

          • Hannibal

            Well you listened to a man… Moses. We needed more proof so we waited for the Lord Jesus himself to convince us. What can I say? We are stubborn that way… lol

          • Hannibal

            One more thing: When God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son… That was nothing but a parable to stop the Hebrews from sacrificing their kids as well. Myths and weird practices were prevalent across all human tribes.
            We all evolve hopefully or devolve like the salafis… 😉
            The Jews brought the practice of slicing a penis as a covenant of some sort… They had a fixation for some reason on the foreskin. Even when they conquered other tribes their kings asked to have the foreskins as trophies.
            If you ask me i think they were kinda gay.

          • Hind Abyad

            It symbolised something, but what?

          • Hannibal

            They like everything 10% off… LOL

          • 5thDrawer

            I thought it was so that sand couldn’t get stuck inside and be an aggravation (or mild stimulus) when riding donkeys and camels. I learn something every day. :-))))

          • Hind Abyad

            and they were worshiping a golden calf (no a cow), in the Egyptian desert while Jerusalem was already holy for a long time, Genesis was already writen.

          • Hind Abyad

            As i said.Canaan was the land of the Semitic people, Jews are not the only Semites Arabs are also.

          • Igor Chingoski

            Yo are doing with History what common people do with toilet paper, wiping your ass! Canaanites where Israelis? REALLY? and when You waked up from Your dream, where did You had inserted Your middle finger?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I’m Ashkenazi Jewish. Half our ancestry comes from the Middle East. Also, most Ashkenazi Israelis were born in the Middle East and so were their parents and grandparents.

          • Hind Abyad

            How ignorant of you to think Eastern ancient names must be in Latin and English. Arabic has no P it was Filistine and still is.

          • 5thDrawer

            I would keep the F today … as in ‘F…d up’. Mostly by the religiosity.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Arabic changes a P to an F. Like Parsi (Persian) became Farsi when they adopted the Arabic alphabet.

          • Hind Abyad

            Arabic alphabet come from Semitic roots languages not Persian.
            God how Zionists manipulates people. Hebrew Alef Beth – Arabic Alef Beth.

          • vasile grasu

            Aferin..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews are an ethnicity with its own religion.

          • Hind Abyad

            They all have one ethnicity: Semitic tribes living like the bedouins in Canaan.
            It goes to the stone age..

  • Patience2

    It’s odd, I never thought Abbas was full of ‘brown material’ until now. Are ALL Palestinians this misguided??

    • hezzies are terrorists

      R u serious? AbbASS has always been a scumbag. Fat old Israeli puppet

      • Hind Abyad

        Yes, but Israel eliminated all others..who had intelligence, vision and values..
        It don’t change Jesus was born in Palestine

        • Peaceforleb

          Hind, before this idiot worries about were Jesus was born, he should worry about knowing him first. Oh, hang on, sunni extremists don’t believe in Jesus. Only Omar, Abu Bakar and Aisha. Omar being their God. A God who enjoyed plenty of anal penertration.

          • 5thDrawer

            Hehehe …. I have a question for the masses … If Jesus was a Virgin Birth, why did they need to go to Joseph’s home-town to be ‘counted’?
            Clearly ALL the Tribes and the Romans had no respect for females … and has anything changed?? 😉

          • Hannibal

            lol behave…

        • hezzies are terrorists

          Lol ur terrorist cohort “thinks” by spreading lies that he/it will be believed in the future. Very easy to prove what it is saying is false. Terrorist alawites aren’t the brightest. 🙂

        • hezzies are terrorists

          When did I state he wasn’t born in Palestine?? I clearly was talking about abbASS

          • Hind Abyad

            And i was responding about Abbas..

          • Hey pretty face, jan 1st no more cigarettes right? couldn’t resist, either way I am damned today lol

          • Hind Abyad

            How did you guess? I had a terrible cold (it’s below 0), i didn’t smoke for 3 days..but yesterday i couldn’t resist.

          • Hind, I caught something terrible last sunday, my whole life I never experienced this much ache and pain, thankfully at the end of it today.

          • Hind Abyad

            What did you catch, it sounds like cold symptoms all your body aches before.
            Glad you’re out of it 🙂

          • Not sure want it was Hind, but it starts as a cough and quickly became achy bones to severe sweating to freezing, sensitivity to light and moaning like a little girl lol how embarrassing.
            Hind I live in a comfortable place and bless her heart my wife catered to me none stop and all I could think about the whole time is how does someone in war conditions get comfort, medicine ,warmth to deal with the mental anguish I was experiencing for only for 72 hours.

          • Hind Abyad

            These are exactly cold symptoms. Nothing worst than feeling miserable,
            Sad that people are insensitive about the human condition of those, living in war.

          • 5thDrawer

            Yup … can’t cure a cold … just suffer. In places with no care, it can become pneumonia … and death. Common … cold.
            Pump up the white cells … but as I say often, the ‘bugs’ evolve faster.

          • If you are not over it yet , juicing a blend of vegetables as much ginger as you can tolerate as a tea or juiced with other vegetables, carrots, kale, beets,dandylions. also read up on raw coconut oil it has huge benefits all around. and yes I still encourage you to give up the cigs its been on your mind many times, you can do it 🙂
            Good night friend!

          • Hind Abyad

            Thank you i will try, it’S worst this morning 🙂

          • 5thDrawer

            Sore throat goes away with small trickles of ‘Millefiori’ swallowed slowly.
            Gone in a day. 🙂
            (Translation … ‘A Thousand Flowers’. Sometimes Barley isn’t the answer ..)

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          It wasn’t called Palestine when he was born.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          That’s an anachronism. The region was not officially referred to as Syria-Palestina until a long time after he died. The locals also didn’t call it that.

          • Heraclitus

            Its so cute when muslims talk about history

          • Hind Abyad

            Ow stop it, there are tons of archives letters of Palestinans who left in end of 19century. In 1948 the new Israeli army (exterrorist gangs) systematicly robbed precious collector books from Palestinian private homes in Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem, it was called ‘The Greate book Robery’ so Palestinian next generation will not learn about their cultural heritage. (diabolic).

          • AfRyT

            I couldn’t helped to add that Churchill itself gave the order to defile all Christians from Palestine to get rid of them first, and then dealing with muslims and avoiding international disapproval.
            In the Lebanese Chronicles that survived is mentioned that Palestine was a sister city of Phoenicia when a crowd of Ragged lazy bums (the Jews) was roaming by the Nile in Egypt. Is also documented in the library of Alexandria.
            But hey what can You expect of the Jewish scribes they are an army adulterating History for their own benefit, truly organized crime they are.

          • Hind Abyad

            The Greeks gave the name Phoenicia to the coast, from Latakieh to Achre.Rigth.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            And the King of Phoenicia sold cedar to King Shlomo of ISRAEL to build the first Temple in Jerusalem.

          • Patience2

            And it never stopped, everybody used Lebanese cedar ’till today there are about 3000 trees left up around Tripoli!

          • Hind Abyad

            This is turning in circles.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          Jesus was born in an area that was referred to by a few Greeks that way and later referred to by some more as ‘Palestine’. It was known to him and to those around him as Israel.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        Agree on the first point, disagree on the second.

    • Hind Abyad

      It’s odd being a blinded ignorant misguided foreigner born yesterday…
      Jesus was a Palestinan. Palestine social fabric has been destroyed by Israel, since the
      second Palestinian generation, Abbs is born in that social fabric in the firts one, now gone.
      In 1941, 23% Palestinians were Christians today they are 1%.. he spoke Aramean wich still is spoken in Syrian Christian villages. Palestine and Lebanon were in Greater Syria wich was then called, the Fertile Crescent. Today the Middle East is in total decadence chaos and ruins.

      PS. Where did the expression “full of brown material” come from, some kind of supremacist ?

      • The real lebanese

        There were no Palestinians, just Jews who live in Palestine.
        Although Abbas is twisting his words, he is also right.

        • hezzies are terrorists

          A Palestine with no Palestinians? Whatever

          • The real lebanese

            The name Palestinians was given to the people who weren’t Jewish in Israel after ww2 when the jews from Europe were moving back to Israel.

          • Hind Abyad

            Jews, Moslems and Christians were living together in Palestine, if there was a Holocaust in Europe that doesn’t change past History.
            In 1948 Palestinian Jews also suffered from Irgun and Stern, non Jewish parents taking children to school with Jewish professors, were shot in front of the class, Jews who continued had their front windows brocken, forced into paying huge sums of money to gangster style extortions.

          • 5thDrawer

            what do you mean by using ‘if’ ??

          • Hind Abyad

            humm? Let me see..oh yes, i wrote an abreviation of history, meaning;
            Palestinians were not not responsable for the Holocaust, they became
            the scapegoats of the World, not only of the Zionists.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Just because you want the story to be like that, doesn’t mean it was like that.

          • Hind Abyad

            Of course, Israel was founded. Palestinian Jews became Israelis.
            Palestinian Christians and Moslems remained Palestinians ..
            what’s all the Zionist fuss?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            ‘Palestinian Arabs’ was the name given to non-Jews until Israeli
            independence and Jordanian/Egyptian occupation. Then you had Israeli
            Arabs, Jordanians, Egyptians and Arab refugees from the Palestine war.
            The PLO changed that to ‘Palestinians’.

          • Hannibal

            The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin.
            The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including Ancient Egyptians,Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, the Sunni Arab Caliphates, the Shia Fatimid Caliphate,Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans, the British and modern Israelis and Palestinians.

          • Hind Abyad

            There it is..you think they will listen? Hah!

          • Patience2

            A REALLY good read, thanks a lot!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Peleshet means INVADOR

          • 5thDrawer

            Thank god it’s not ‘Invader’. :-)))

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Cheers.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews were always moving back to Israel. They got somewhat better conditions to do so from the 19th century onwards and numbers increased. ‘Palestinian Arabs’ was the name given to non-Jews until Israeli independence and Jordanian/Egyptian occupation. Then you had Israeli Arabs, Jordanians, Egyptians and Arab refugees from the Palestine war. The PLO changed that to ‘Palestinians’.

          • Hannibal

            Well this picture shows you are wrong:

          • 5thDrawer

            If you insist on going into actual archives to get a picture, can you try to make it a descent size ?? My eyes just don’t do it any more. I can’t see the phone number for Carl Marx in the upper left …. :-))))

          • Hannibal

            LOL… I will try my best 😉

          • Hannibal

            and the following woman is neither Arab nor Jew… But her homeland was Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s Bethlehem?

          • vasile grasu

            and today,there are women,russian christian ,sudanese non-arab muslimas,who live in Israel.It is their country,homeland,whatever..what’s the point??!!??

          • vasile grasu

            was she Baha’i?

          • 5thDrawer

            With a hat like a Princess from Camelot, I’d say Christian. 😉

          • Hannibal

            True…

          • Hannibal

            Two Churches in the background? and pretty? I’d say Christian Levantine Aramaic…

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s not true, they were Palestinan Jews, as Iraqi Jews, Egyptians or Persians, that’s complete nonsense, Jews comming from Europe were not Palestinian, stop mixing oil with water.

        • Hind Abyad

          Typical AIPAC talking points, stop the comedy you’re Israeli impersonating
          a Lebanese.. the Jews who lived in Palestine were Palestinians, ligth bulb..
          The first Christians where Jews Canaan was the land of the Semitic race.
          Jews are a race not a religion, Palestinians are Semites as Syrians and
          Lebanese.. the twister is you! Your Allies, the other twisters Christian Evangelists said they will reedit the Bible, it’s too much to the left..i suppose they will say Jesus didn’t like the poor.. like the Pharisees.

          -Herodotus Greek Historian 500 BC. in “Ancient Histories” (ancient in 500 BC)
          “Palestinians of Syria they live in south western part of Syria, and Palestine goes
          all the way till the borders of Egypt”.
          Aristotle master of Alexander the Great in 400 BC. mentions Palestine in his book Meteorology. Note: Romans studied the Greeks.

          • The real lebanese

            The term Palestinian still wasn’t given until after ww2. Thanks for your long explanation for nothing.

          • hezzies are terrorists

            Actually youre wrong there.

          • The real lebanese

            No, Im right. Look it up

          • hezzies are terrorists

            Please provide proof

          • The real lebanese

            Its awaiting moderation :-/

          • Hind Abyad

            Balfour was a vile anti Semite, Churchill sold Palestine to the World Zionist Movement, Rothschild. Palestine was no theirs to give or to sell.

          • Guest

            VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!

          • 5thDrawer

            Oh POOP !

          • Hind Abyad

            There you go a the new Malmequer Spy, all Zionists hate Quebéc and frankly my dear.. i don’t give a damn.

          • 5thDrawer

            I do seem to recall no-one else would let some ships dock.

          • Hind Abyad

            Typical English have a RIGTH to replenish their funds you say, on who’s back?

            The ‘Boat People’ attacked the British Mandate? Go back to school.
            Zionist terrorist groups drove ‘the British Mandate’ out.
            Menahem Begin Stern group Iszhak Shamir bombed King David Hotel British
            Army Headquarters in 1946.. What boat people..from the Bible writen by the
            Jews for the Jews? I should have listened to Igor warning me about you. .
            See how they treated the Brtish Mandate, they hanged them.

            British made fortunes till this day stabing Sheriff Hussein and colonel Lawrence
            (of Arabia) in the back.. they made deals with greedy Wahabi Fat sitting Rats,
            and Standard Oil, after Hashemites helped them win WW1 in returne, they
            helped ibn-Saoud conquer Arabia from the rulers of Mecca for 900yrs.
            Since then the Middle East dscending in the abiss, look what their douing to
            Syria.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I agree that the British and French messed up the region even more.

          • 5thDrawer

            🙂

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Well it previously belonged to the Ottomans, Mehmet Ali’s Egypt, the Ottomans, the Mamluks, the Ayyubids, the Crusaders, the Fatimids, the Seljuqs, the Ikshidids, Tulunids, Abassids, Umayyads, the Rashiduns, the Persians, Byzantines, Romans and………the Jews/Israelites. Whose was it to give???? Perhaps you believe that whomever is present at any given time has rights to the land on which they live no matter what. So if 5 million more Syrian refugees move to Lebanon, it will be their right to the country right?

          • 5thDrawer

            They already did that during 15 years of occupation …

          • Hind Abyad

            It was ruled no belonged, what’s 400 years of Ottoman in 6000 years..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Actually, the Arabs of ‘Palestine’ have never had a country specifically there. It was always part of an empire when they were the majority. Also, the Mamluks burnt down all the trees and greenery and towns and villages on the coast.All of the wars ravaged the lands. Also, stop changing the subject when having an argument.

          • Hind Abyad

            So because the Mamluks burnt down al trees that justifies the mad settlers burning Olive Trees?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            When did I say that??? That’s an illogical conclusion and you’re putting words in my mouth. I’m saying that far more destruction was done by Muslims in the past.

          • 5thDrawer

            For the sake of the trees, and perhaps the ancient farmers, I agree with you on that point. It’s like the wall trying to go through a convent farm. Asinine.

          • Hannibal

            Ottomans never ruled jabal Loubnan… 😉 we always kicked their ass and terrorized them like they did to the umayyad arab army before by the marada… And the Maronites printed Arabic text DESPITE the Turks in their monasteries although it was forbidden to do so. In reality the Maronite priests SAVED the Arabic language from systemic annihilation by the Ottomans.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Mamluks did rule though.

          • Hind Abyad

            I know.. i wish lebanese stop selling land to Saudi Rats.
            There were wars with the Druzes..who came to Lebanon after Christian Maronites.

          • Hannibal

            You are right 5 million refugees from Syria in Lebanon should go back to Syria as 5 million refugees from Europe in Palestine should go back to Europe… 🙂

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Syrian refugees have no history of ruling Lebanon or of Syrian Arabs living there. Jews originate in Palestine and have had sovereignty there in the past. They have an ethnic connection with the land. They weren’t refugees going to a random place. Furthermore, they ARE THERE NOW and so it is there right to choose by your logic who moves there. The Palis are not and so they don’t have any right by your logic.

          • Hind Abyad

            Who created refugees in the Middle East? First Palestinians then millions of refugees from Iraqi invasion now adding millions of refugees from Syria??

            Israel, US, Wahabis.
            Now Israel is allied with the Sauds ..the Blackness of the Middle East, Sunnis worldwide are distancing themselves from Wahabi Islam.

          • Hind Abyad

            Balfour did not give Palestine to the Jews, they gave them a home in Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Palestinian is not a term as Lebanese is not a term..it’s one of Aipac talking points, funny for a Lebanes to say that, you never went to school in Lebanon, you told me “i guess they started teaching french after WW2..They were teatching French since the Crusaders 1000 years ago, France founded all the institutions and schools for the Christians in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine were in Syria.

            PS. It may be that i give long explanations but your two lines are like water drops
            on a duck’s back.

          • Hind Abyad

            Of course, Israel was created after WW2 Palestinian Jews became Israelis, Moslems and Christians remained Palestinians, you call that a given term?
            The late Lebanese president father, Pierre Gemayel whent to Haifa Saint Joseph College for his studies in French. Documents must be in the Gemayel’s heirlom.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            RE-ESTABLISHED Hind, say RE-ESTABLISHED. Most of the countries of the region were created around that time with no history. Israel did have history.

          • Hannibal

            Phoenicia (Modern Lebanon and North Syria) reached out to the entire Mediterranean basin established many colonies, Carthage, Malta, Cyprus, Spain, Sicily, Sardinia etc… It was a beautiful trading empire… Israelis? What? lost in a desert eating manna? youhoooooo… 😛 lol

          • Hind Abyad

            Youre intelectualy lazy..

          • Hannibal

            The original plan of the Zionists included the South of Lebanon…
            See map.

          • 5thDrawer

            Wow .. another one .. the collection grows.
            I’ma gonna hava da ‘map-day’ soon, I’ma thinking. :-)))

          • Hannibal

            This map was the original map presented by The Zionist organization at the Paris Peace conference. These proposals were considered as background for the British proposal to be granted a mandate over Palestine in order to create a Jewish national home there, in fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration. The proposals include the boundaries envisioned by the Zionist organization. The land was under Ottoman rule and inhabited by Jews, Christians. Druze and Moslems. The majority spoke Levantine dialect the same dialect spoken by the Lebanese today with accent peculiarities. Some villages still spoke Syriac or a mix of Levantine Arabic/Syriac and the Jews maintained their Hebrew via their religious practices although they also spoke the Levantine dialect of Arabic same as the Syriac was semi maintained by the Maronites via the mass. Listen how here:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVDeUfRzj5U

            Islam and the Quran as people changed religion influenced the dialect as well to become the modern Lebanese we speak today the same as the Cypriot Levantine Arabic also known as kormakitis was influenced by Greek. Listen here to the Cypriot dialect of Arabic: (skip to the old folks speaking)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODysXq1fS6Q

            It is SAD that some consider themselves Arabs or Israelis since the land was one and inhabited by one people from Aramaic origins.

            The Arabs and the Zionists ruined the Middle East… A cross road of beautiful histories brought together by that history and NOT by religion.

          • Hind Abyad

            How true!! I am happy someone Finaly said it!!

          • Hind Abyad

            It still is, Moshe Dayan, when they invaded Lebanon, came with his buldozers diggin up archeologic artifacts in Saida or Sour..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The map of many Lebanese included just the Mustarifiyya. Some Lebanese invited Jews to buy land around Sour.

          • Hind Abyad

            Ha Hah……….!

          • Hannibal

            They didn’t have to invite them as they lived there and had every right… I am speaking of the Jews who were there NOT the transplanted ones who were massacred by Hitler’s party… Those should have sought a homeland inside of Germany… 😉 That would have been a sight: An Israel in Bavaria. He He

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews aren’t from Germany, Jews are from Eretz YIsrael. Jews have never had any interest in a country in Europe.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            If that had been the map then you probably wouldn’t have Hezbollah 🙂

          • Hannibal

            So true… But again Israel would have been Lebanized… 😛

          • doron

            as hard as you try to convice yourself, there was never a state called palestine 😉
            the name was used by foreign occupiers of the land i.e greek and romans. the word itself if foreign and the strangest thing about this word :in arabic, the letter “P” does not exist it sounds more like “Balestin” ..how can it be the name of their annciant state when it collides with the launguage?strange…..

          • Hind Abyad

            Sorry i try to convince myself in your dreams, l say it’s rather you who try as hard to convince yourself, your the foreigner remember? Dont you reign on me and my History

          • doron

            define foreiger please, i’m decended from iraqi jews line,got my herigate documented back till 14’th centory, you on the other hand live in canada if i’m not mistaken?

          • Hind Abyad

            I live in Canada not born in Canada, my heritage goes back to theland of Cannan.
            Your family heritage was Mesopotamian, (Canan), Iraq name given as you said by foreign conquerers (after WW1), Israel was born in 1948. .

          • Guest

            You are not Native of Canada but it’s OK for others like you to occupy Canada from Natives. However, it is not good for others to occupy Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Ha ha..! They tougth the world was flat, go argue with Christofpher Columbus, North, Central and South America.
            Dont worry, you took Palestine as a base from where Zionists contole the rest of America, Europe and the Middle East..and besides Zionists rule in Canada.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            KERAZY is a word that springs to mind.

          • Hind Abyad

            I say what i say as Zionists say what they say!!!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            So let me get this straight. If Arameans moved en masse to Lebanon and Syria and became the majority and revived Aramaic and declared independence, you would think that was bad huh?

          • Hind Abyad

            Aramean was the language in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon did not
            exist yet, Maronites were Syrians who fled up a Mountain in Syria
            called Mount Loubnan in 400 Ad, from persecutions by Nestorians
            and Jakobites.

          • 5thDrawer

            You would visit as a tourist to hunt buffalo I guess….

          • Hannibal

            She immigrated to Canada not usurped like your forefathers should have done not occupy and annex but immigrate LEGALLY… 😛

          • Heraclitus

            lol

          • Hind Abyad

            That’s what Albert Einstein said, i wished for my people to live in harmony with the Palestinians, not to travel collectively..

          • vasile grasu

            give them the opportunity,and they will make Canada the land of Allah,and expell you all non-sunni in..Groenland!!!they are bent to conquer the world and impose their death-cult!!For the beginning,they imagine they will have shia Irak and Iran,and “clean” them..like they make with the older inhabitants of the ME,the christians..1948,23% masihi in Canaan-Falastin,today..1%??! And continuing disappearing..thanks to the sunni..

          • 5thDrawer

            They’ll never get past The Great Manitou … and the drums will make them crazy.

          • 5thDrawer

            Actually it was sort of ‘legal’. The Natives opened their arms to them, and showed them how to survive a winter … much like the immigrants of today need to do … although the ‘opening of arms’ is more like ‘alms’ these days. 🙂
            I think the natives of the north moved away when they found the Brits and French didn’t take a bath more than once a year – and thus only arrived at the fur-trading posts after bath-day .
            In Virginia, on the other hand, once the natives showed them how to survive, they insisted on planting tobacco for a cash-crop – American business-models beginnings – which ruined the soil and the ecology; and they put up fences to keep the natives out of the tobacco. Which led to harder feelings than in Canada, where the natives helped Canuks defeat the Yanks very nicely when Yanks tried to expand the business.
            Of course, there were some minor differences after that. Some bloody Irish arrived to be cops. :-))))))

          • doron

            well.. i’m ME through generetions past, you have no right of calling me a foreigner or send me the hell out of ME

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Actually, all archeology shows that the Israelites didn’t invade and were actually Canaanites in origin. On the other hand, local Christians of Israel are a mixture of Aramean, Greek and Roman settlers who absorbed a few disgruntled Israelites.

          • Hind Abyad

            You skate too much.

          • Hannibal

            I wish they kept their canaanite identity… What a beautiful world this would be. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            ….Except that the Canaanites had a large cult that worshiped a golden cow and sacrificed their children to it.

          • Hannibal

            Hmmmmmmm… Really?

            32 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods[a] who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”

            2 Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b]Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”

            5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to theLord.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Yes Israel took a lot from Canaan, it is largely descended from it but no longer burnt its children. Monotheism fought polytheism and idolatry for many centuries in Israeli history as shown in the Bible.

          • Hannibal

            Well you listened to a man… Moses. We needed more proof so we waited for the Lord Jesus himself to convince us. What can I say? We are stubborn that way… lol

          • Hannibal

            One more thing: When God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son… That was nothing but a parable to stop the Hebrews from sacrificing their kids as well. Myths and weird practices were prevalent across all human tribes.
            We all evolve hopefully or devolve like the salafis… 😉
            The Jews brought the practice of slicing a penis as a covenant of some sort… They had a fixation for some reason on the foreskin. Even when they conquered other tribes their kings asked to have the foreskins as trophies.
            If you ask me i think they were kinda gay.

          • Hind Abyad

            I think it was sexual obsession.

          • Hannibal

            They like everything 10% off… LOL

          • 5thDrawer

            I thought it was so that sand couldn’t get stuck inside and be an aggravation (or mild stimulus) when riding donkeys and camels. I learn something every day. :-))))

          • Hind Abyad

            and they were worshiping a golden veal (no a cow), in the Egyptian desert while Jerusalem was already holy city, Genesis was already writen.

          • Hind Abyad

            As i said.Canaan was the land of the Semitic people, Jews are not the only Semites Arabs are also.

          • Igor Chingoski

            Yo are doing with History what common people do with toilet paper, wiping your ass! Canaanites where Israelis? REALLY? and when You waked up from Your dream, where did You had inserted Your middle finger?

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I’m Ashkenazi Jewish. Half our ancestry comes from the Middle East. Also, most Ashkenazi Israelis were born in the Middle East and so were their parents and grandparents.

          • Hind Abyad

            How ignorant of you to think Eastern ancient names must be in Latin and English. Arabic has no P it was Filistine and still is.

          • 5thDrawer

            I would keep the F today … as in ‘F…d up’. Mostly by the religiosity.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Arabic changes a P to an F. Like Parsi (Persian) became Farsi when they adopted the Arabic alphabet.

          • Hind Abyad

            Arabic alphabet come from Semitic roots languages not Persian.
            God how Zionists manipulates people. Hebrew Alef Beth – Arabic Alef Beth.

          • vasile grasu

            Aferin..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews are an ethnicity with its own religion.

          • Hind Abyad

            They all have one ethnicity: Semitc tribes living like the bedouins in Canaan.
            It goes to the stone age..

  • YeUx

    In fact Jesus said that He will be called the Messiah of Qana, or Palestine, or Jerusalem, or Nazareth, AT the end it was Pontious Pilates who put in His Crucifix “Here lies the King Of The Jews” this angered the Jews, So why now so much eagerness of claiming Jesus as a Jew…? Jesus was in fact Phoenician and member of the ancient White Fraternity, Never had anything to do with Judaism.

    • doron

      well, he did preach on temple mount and he did anger the high prist of Judeah (judeah.. jews..sounds closer then judeah, palestine)
      it’s not eagerness to call jesous a jew but anger at abbas ‘s latest atempt to re write history.
      pretending this twisted tale is truth is for setting the ground for another, bigger, make believe twist that since Jesus was not born a jew (the pop would disagree but what is the pop when it comes to allmighty Abbas :)) ) ,then this land was never Judeah and there for there is no claim by jews to this land
      just 1 Q for everybody here:
      if the land of israel was never here and the land of Judeah like wize- where were those anciant kingoms located?

      • Hind Abyad

        Nobody ..nobody, Abbas or not, in Palestine said Jesus was not Jew, you’re twisting.

        • doron

          wait for it it will come… it’s a work in progress 😉

          byw…your “nobody” (Yeux) wrote the comment i replied to! look at his final sentence before picking on me for twisting facts

          • Ruth Baroud

            Maybe you could remind us what Israel was called prior to 1948? Of course if we’re all going by our historically based claims to move onto lands our ancestors once had control of and kicking the locals out or subjugating them after millennia on the basis that “Hey, my forefathers ran this place once,” Italians are going to be spoilt for choice – and their claim should be be stronger since the Roman empire lasted a lot longer than the Jewish one in parts of Palestine – or Canaan or Bilaad al Shaam or whatever else the land has been called throughout history.

          • Hind Abyad

            Desert of Sham or Damascus is still on the map today and it was before the Bible was writen.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Sham before the Bible was written???? Really??? Unscholarly you say???

          • Hind Abyad

            Was the Universe created after the Bible was written????Realy?Unscholarly you say???

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            What???

          • cook

            It was called British Mandate for Palestine. Before that it was called the Ottoman Empire.
            It never belonged to the arab immigrants of today who call themselves “palestinians”.

          • doron

            funny , “Palistinians” addoped the name for their nationality from degrading name used by forigen conquerors to emphesise the land is not free any more …
            a fake name for fake nation

          • Hind Abyad

            Palistinians addopted the name for their nationality from degrading name used by forigen conquerors… and so goes the explanation..

            What foreign conquerors, Palestine was in Greek History books 500 B.C.
            When the Earth was flat.

          • doron

            paliestine was the name they called the land after Alexander the great took the kingdome of israel at 330 BC (don’t know where you came up with the 500BC number)and since the romans took over at 63 BC i fail to see where and when you can squiz a nation calle palistine ??
            that’s abbas problem right there ,he tries to squiz false history where it never was 😉
            make believe nation has to do with make believe history

          • Hind Abyad

            Hasbara geting mixt up with so many different LIES (explanations).

            You say “paliestine, a name given by foreign conquerors, a fake name
            for a fake nation” (don’t know where you came with the 500BC number)

            Herodotus 500.B.C. describes Palestine in book “ancient histories”.
            (Palestine was “ancient history” in 500.B.C.)

            Aristotle 400.B.C mention Palestine in his book “Meteorologia”..
            (there were many kingdoms in Palestine).

          • Guest

            You mean the land of the Philistines called Philistia which is also referred to a Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Not also, Samson mother was from Filistia..as Saint Georges was a Palestinian Roman soldier, he defended Christians…from the Romans, he was tortured and killed, his tombe is on Sea shore in north Beyrouth.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Shimshon (Samson) was an Israelite. This is well known.

          • Hind Abyad

            Oh please..make up your minds already, up there they say Palestinans are Jewish, now it’s Israelites..please.. Jews is a race not a religion, only one Semitic race in existance in the World, Jews and Arabs. Case closed.

          • cook

            There is no such thing as a palestinian race. You’re just playing with words.
            If I call myself batman it doesnt mean im batman, just how Arafat naming his organization “Palestine Liberation Organization” doesnt make him a “palestinian”, and we all know he was born in Egypt

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Firstly, what is a race? We have used the same alphabet for thousands of years and written of the resurrection of Israel and prayed for it. We celebrated the seasons of ‘Palestine’. Lastly, it just so happens that for the majority of communities, including Ashkenazim, our DNA matches each other and the Samaritans more than it does to other populations.

          • cook

            Abbas is a Roman soldier now, LOL.
            Who CARES what the land was called? 90% of todays arabs there are recent immigrants, just because Arafat decided to call them “palestinians” it doesnt mean anything

          • Hind Abyad

            What Abass? Your too young to be Alzheimer. Saint Georges was a Palestinian Roman soldier, his icons show him on a horse killing the dragon saving defensless lady..the Lady represent the Christians the Romans are the dragon.

          • cook

            Are you stupid? are you saying that the people who live in Ramallah today have anything to do with Saint Georges?

            Ancient nationalities have nothing to do with the modern political world, why dont you just say the blue eyed blonde hair Americans of today are the indigenous people of the land, just because they call themselves “Americans”

          • Hind Abyad

            Poor ignorant braiwashed stupid yourself. Saint George 200AD was one of the earliest Saints in Eastern Christendom, the first most painted Icons in Midlle East were of Mar Girguis, his tombe is in north Beyrouth, the World first church 200AD was built in Syria…

            Are you..telling me.. St.Georges had blue eyes and blond hair??
            Racist, there was no America not even England existed it was the Roman Empire. And yes, there are many Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese with blue eyes

          • cook

            You still havent explained how a population of 100,000 magically became 10 million today. You still think im stupid to think that the masses of Arabs that immigrated to palestine in the 1920s are some distinct people from neighboring arabic countries.

          • 5thDrawer

            (I repeat too …)
            How ?? Errrr …..
            Playing birds & bees with no functional condoms for a long time??
            Seems to be a problem all around the Med. 😉

          • cook

            Immigrants lol

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            …..and yet, because Ashkenazi Jews are half European in origin and Maronites have some Crusader blood, they are derided by Palestinians. I went to Jericho and was told I was the wrong color.

          • Hind Abyad

            What’s your color, Maronites have Crusaders blood?..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Greeks referred to Aram as an extension of the port of Sour as they knew it best. As such, they called it ‘Syria’. People knew of Philstia on the coast but the Greeks especially dealt with it the most. As such, there is one written reference to ‘Palestine’ in Greek before the 2nd century AD which refers to the general area. By mid-Pagan Roman rule in the 2nd century AD, there wasn’t a trace of the Philistines left but they were famous as the historical enemies of Israel. Following the Bar Kochba revolt (132-135 AD), the Romans changed the names of the provinces of Judaea, Samaria and Galilee to Syria Palestina Prima, Syria Palestina Secunda and Syria Palestina Tertia. They did this to try to wipe out the memory and connection of the indigenous people Israel with its land and by naming it after their historical enemies, to add insult to injury.

          • Hind Abyad

            Palestine, Lebanon were in Syria..Greek historian Herodotus (500BC)
            describes them;

            Palestinian of Syria.. they live in south-western part of Syria and
            Palestine goes all the way till the borders of Egypt. Now i’m fed up.

          • doron

            he just explained the origin of this myth LOL
            no need to repeat it

          • Hind Abyad

            Already guest? You had a name.

          • 5thDrawer

            You need to ‘Philbuster’ …. hehehehe

          • Hind Abyad

            What’s that.

          • 5thDrawer

            Ok Hind … look up ‘filibuster’ …. geezzz :-)))

          • Hind Abyad

            Is it important i look up a word i never use?

          • doron

            oh my….twisting facts come easly to you right?or mybe you should switch a teacher

            Alexander the Great took the land in 300something BC – that is beyond arguments and hard nailed in history.

            you are talking about the Plishtim (another name taken from the bible mind yoy)an old coastal nation that dwelt Cnaan (another word from bible) before dissapearing from the land. anyway ,they were a tall red haired nation and looking at you and other palistinians, it’s fair to say you are not a decended from these people

            nice try 😉

          • Hind Abyad

            Are you suffering from Alzheimer? AgainBeyooondargumeeents?

            Who’s stupid enough not to know Alexandre came to Egypt in 300ys ago.
            He visited Palestine not for long then went back to business in Egypt.

            Reread my Post up there.
            Aristotle was teatcher to Alexander, he mentioned Palestine in a book.
            Greeks called Palestine, Palestine. Romans studied the Greeks.
            If Western civilisation exist it’s thanks to Greek literature and civilisation.
            That the Arabs translated into Latin).

          • cook

            You talk so much garbage. In 1890 there were 100,000 Arabs in Palestine, today the number of “palestinians” is 10 million. How?? you think we’re stupid and dont know about the mass immigration of arabs from different countries?

            Historic Palestine has nothing to do with the PLO and Arafat. Arabs came from Arabia after 700 AD, how on earth do the “palestinians” of today have anything to do with Greeks and Romans and Hebrews???

          • Hind Abyad

            That will sufice thank you, i am alone and being attacked by a bunch of wolfs.
            Good night.

          • 5thDrawer

            How ?? Errrr …
            Playing birds & bees with no functional condoms for a long time??
            Seems to be a problem all around the Med. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Greeks referred to Aram as an extension of the port of Sour as they
            knew it best. As such, they called it ‘Syria’. People knew of Philstia
            on the coast but the Greeks especially dealt with it the most. As such,
            there is one written reference to ‘Palestine’ in Greek before the 2nd
            century AD which refers to the general area. By mid-Pagan Roman rule in
            the 2nd century AD, there wasn’t a trace of the Philistines left but
            they were famous as the historical enemies of Israel. Following the Bar
            Kochba revolt (132-135 AD), the Romans changed the names of the
            provinces of Judaea, Samaria and Galilee to Syria Palestina Prima, Syria
            Palestina Secunda and Syria Palestina Tertia. They did this to try to
            wipe out the memory and connection of the indigenous people Israel with
            its land and by naming it after their historical enemies, to add insult
            to injury.

          • doron

            i can remind you how was it calle before the romans ‘or does history that doesn’t fit your pov is banned?
            p.s had the romans called the place their home land ,your example might have some substance to it

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Before 1948? British Mandate of Palestine (Eretz Yisrael, as was printed in Hebrew on all official documents of the Mandate), before that, the Ottoman Sanjaks of Maan, Mustarifiyat Jerusalem, Sanjak of Nablus, Sanjak of Acre and the last two were part of the Villayet of Beirut. Before that, part of the Ottoman province of Syria. Before that, simply part of the Mamluk Empire and known as ‘Ramleh’. Before that, part of the Ayyubid Empire, before that, mostly the ‘Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem’. Before that, alternating as part of the Fatimid and Seljuq empires and alternately administered as part of Misr and part of Bilad al Shams. Before that, part of the Ikshidid, and prior to that Tulunid empires and administered as part of Misr. Before that, part of the Abassid empire and administered as part of Bilad al Shams. Before that, part of the Ummayad empire and administered as the ‘Ramle’ part of Bilad al Shams. For 22 years prior to that, part of the Rashidun Caliphate. part of it was Jund Filastin and part was Jund Urdan. The borders were horizontal and not at the Jordan river. They were the same as the previous administrative boundaries. Jerusalem was known as ‘Ilya’. Before that, Syria Palestina Prima, Secunda and Tertia under the Byzantines and Romans. Before that, Judaea, Samaria, Galilee. Before that, it called itself Israel and many called it Judah. During the Roman, Byzantine and Persian eras, there were short periods of Israeli (Jewish and/or Samaritan) rebellion and independence where areas called themselves Israel. The first time those borders of ‘Palestine’ ever came into existence was during the British era. It’s funny when I see Arabs showing those borders. Do they want the British to come back? That’s the only time those borders existed.

          • doron

            great effort on re-search, i will cut&past this one with your permission 🙂

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Go for it.

          • Hind Abyad

            who cares you can’t stop people from expressing their views..
            What’s “a work in progress”?

          • doron

            i’ll try to explain:

            first lie: we are palastinians by nationality (there was never a nation named palestin)
            second lie: inhabitants of the region are by default palistinians( comes from the mis-information of first lie)
            third lie: since we decided they are all called palistinians then by default there was never another earlier nation here called Judeah or Israel ( comes from the mis-information of second lie)
            and that my friend is work in progress

          • Hind Abyad

            And the best liers are ?

          • doron

            And the best liers are those who preach for tolerance while blowing up their own people

          • Hind Abyad

            What religion law breakers profess to follow opression, apartheid, occupation, theft of land, demolition of homes, destruction of property, denial of Human Rigths, murder, criminal acts, enprisonment of children..
            Not religion, the goverment that legitimates it, and people like you who say
            the opressed are guilty

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            If it wasn’t for a the conflict on a macro scale between larger powers, they wouldn’t be living like that. They aren’t just asking for freedom (which most Israelis want to give them as they don’t want to rule over them), they are asking for what is presently the Israeli capital and they are asking to potentially outnumber Israel’s population. They are saying that if they cannot get all they want then they’d rather not be free. The USA and larger powers prevent Israel from doing anything unilaterally in the West Bank.

          • Hind Abyad

            What picture should we put in dictionaries next to your..ridiculous statement…….!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Stop randomly blanket insulting Zionist leaders for no particular reason.

          • Hind Abyad

            yaawnn ..no particular reasons.

          • Hind Abyad

            No reason.. ok

          • doron

            at least you don’t have the face to deny what i wrote

          • Hind Abyad

            and you have the face to deny i replied 17 hours ago.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          That is exactly what he implies.

          • Hind Abyad

            Well, he’s your friend…

    • Hind Abyad

      I think that’s out of bounds and not scholarly.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There are some people whose names and pictures should appear in the dictionary next to the term ‘hypocrisy’.

    • 5thDrawer

      Dork.

  • YeUx

    In fact Jesus said that He will be called the Messiah of Qana, or Palestine, or Jerusalem, or Nazareth, AT the end it was Pontious Pilates who put in His Crucifix “Here lies the King Of The Jews” this angered the Jews, So why now so much eagerness of claiming Jesus as a Jew…? Jesus was in fact Phoenician and member of the ancient White Fraternity, Never had anything to do with Judaism.

    • doron

      well, he did preach on temple mount and he did anger the high prist of Judeah (judeah.. jews..sounds closer then judeah, palestine)
      it’s not eagerness to call jesous a jew but anger at abbas ‘s latest atempt to re write history.
      pretending this twisted tale is truth is for setting the ground for another, bigger, make believe twist that since Jesus was not born a jew (the pop would disagree but what is the pop when it comes to allmighty Abbas :)) ) ,then this land was never Judeah and there for there is no claim by jews to this land
      just 1 Q for everybody here:
      if the land of israel was never here and the land of Judeah like wize- where were those anciant kingoms located?

      • Hind Abyad

        Nobody ..nobody, Abbas or not, in Palestine said Jesus was not Jew, you’re twisting.

        • doron

          wait for it it will come… it’s a work in progress 😉

          • Ruth Baroud

            Maybe you could remind us what Israel was called prior to 1948? Of course if we’re all going by our historically based claims to move onto lands our ancestors once had control of and kicking the locals out or subjugating them after millennia on the basis that “Hey, my forefathers ran this place once,” Italians are going to be spoilt for choice – and their claim should be be stronger since the Roman empire lasted a lot longer than the Jewish one in parts of Palestine – or Canaan or Bilaad al Shaam or whatever else the land has been called throughout history.

          • Hind Abyad

            Desert o Sham or Damascus is on the map today and was before the Bible was writen.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Sham before the Bible was written???? Really??? Unscholarly you say???

          • Hind Abyad

            Was the Universe created after the Bible was written????Realy?Unscholarly you say???

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            What???

          • Heraclitus

            It was called British Mandate for Palestine. Before that it was called the Ottoman Empire.
            It never belonged to the arab immigrants of today who call themselves “palestinians”.

          • doron

            funny , “Palistinians” addoped the name for their nationality from degrading name used by forigen conquerors to emphesise the land is not free any more …
            a fake name for fake nation

          • Hind Abyad

            Palistinians addopted the name for their nationality from degrading name used by forigen conquerors… and so goes the explanation..

            What foreign conquerors, Palestine was in Greek History books 500 B.C.
            When the Earth was flat.

          • doron

            paliestine was the name they called the land after qoncuring the kingdome of israel at 200 BC (don’t know where you came up with the 500BC number)and since the romans took over at 63 BC i fail to see where and when you can squiz a nation calle palistine ??
            that’s abbas problem right there ,he tries to squiz false history where it never was 😉
            make believe nation has to do with make believe history

          • Hind Abyad

            Hasbara geting mixt up with so many different LIES (explanations).

            1-You say “paliestine, a name given by foreign conquerors, a fake name
            for a fake nation”
            2- (don’t know where you came with the 500BC number)

            Herodotus 500.B.C. describes Palestine in book “ancient histories”.
            (Palestine was “ancient history” in 500.B.C.)

            Aristotle 400.B.C mention Palestine in his book “Meteorologia”..
            (there were many kingdoms in Palestine).

          • Guest

            You mean the land of the Philistines called Philistia which is also referred to a Palestine.

          • Hind Abyad

            Not also, Samson mother was from Filistia..as Saint Georges was a Palestinian Roman soldier, he defended Christians…from the Romans, he was tortured and killed, his tombe is on Sea shore in north Beyrouth.

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Shimshon (Samson) was an Israelite. This is well known.

          • Hind Abyad

            Oh please..make up your minds already, up there they say Palestinans were
            are Jewish, now it’s Israelites..please.. Jews is a race not a religion, only one Semitic race in exist in the World, Jews and Arabs. Case closed.

          • Heraclitus

            There is no such thing as a palestinian race. You’re just playing with words.
            If I call myself batman it doesnt mean im batman, just how Arafat naming his organization “Palestine Liberation Organization” doesnt make him a “palestinian”, and we all know he was born in Egypt

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Firstly, what is a race? We have used the same alphabet for thousands of years and written of the resurrection of Israel and prayed for it. We celebrated the seasons of ‘Palestine’. Lastly, it just so happens that for the majority of communities, including Ashkenazim, our DNA matches each other and the Samaritans more than it does to other populations.

          • Heraclitus

            Abbas is a Roman soldier now, LOL.
            Who CARES what the land was called? 90% of todays arabs there are recent immigrants, just because Arafat decided to call them “palestinians” it doesnt mean anything

          • Hind Abyad

            What Abass? Your too young to be Alzheimer. Saint Georges was a Palestinian Roman soldier, his icons show him on a horse, killing the dragon saving defensless lady..the Lady represent the Christians the Romans are the dragon.

          • Heraclitus

            Are you stupid? are you saying that the people who live in Ramallah today have anything to do with Saint Georges?

            Ancient nationalities have nothing to do with the modern political world, why dont you just say the blue eyed blonde hair Americans of today are the indigenous people of the land, just because they call themselves “Americans”

          • Hind Abyad

            Poor ignorant braiwashed stupid yourself. Saint George 200AD was one of the earliest Saints in Christendom, the first most painted Icons in Midlle East were of Mar Girguis, his tombe is in north Beyrouth, the World first church 200AD, was built in Syria…

            Are telling me St.Georges had blue eyes and blond hair??
            Racist, there was no America not even England existed it was the Roman Empire. And yes, there are many Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese with blue eyes

          • Heraclitus

            You still havent explained how a population of 100,000 magically became 10 million today. You still think im stupid to think that the masses of Arabs that immigrated to palestine in the 1920s are some distinct people from neighboring arabic countries.

          • 5thDrawer

            (I repeat too …)
            How ?? Errrr …..
            Playing birds & bees with no functional condoms for a long time??
            Seems to be a problem all around the Med. 😉

          • Heraclitus

            Immigrants lol

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            …..and yet, because Ashkenazi Jews are half European in origin and Maronites have some Crusader blood, they are derided by Palestinians. I went to Jericho and was told I was the wrong color.

          • Hind Abyad

            What’s your color, Maronites have Crusaders blood?..

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Greeks referred to Aram as an extension of the port of Sour as they knew it best. As such, they called it ‘Syria’. People knew of Philstia on the coast but the Greeks especially dealt with it the most. As such, there is one written reference to ‘Palestine’ in Greek before the 2nd century AD which refers to the general area. By mid-Pagan Roman rule in the 2nd century AD, there wasn’t a trace of the Philistines left but they were famous as the historical enemies of Israel. Following the Bar Kochba revolt (132-135 AD), the Romans changed the names of the provinces of Judaea, Samaria and Galilee to Syria Palestina Prima, Syria Palestina Secunda and Syria Palestina Tertia. They did this to try to wipe out the memory and connection of the indigenous people Israel with its land and by naming it after their historical enemies, to add insult to injury.

          • Hind Abyad

            Palestine, Lebanon were in Syria..Greek historian Herodotus (500BC)
            describes them;

            Palestinian of Syria. They live in the south-western part of Syria, and
            Palestine goes all the way till the borders of Egypt. Now i’m fed up.

          • doron

            he just explained the origin of this myth LOL
            no need to repeat it

          • Hind Abyad

            Already guest? You had a name.

          • 5thDrawer

            You need to ‘Philbuster’ …. hehehehe

          • Hind Abyad

            What’s that.

          • 5thDrawer

            Ok Hind … look up ‘filibuster’ …. geezzz :-)))

          • Hind Abyad

            Is it important i look up a word i never use?

          • doron

            oh my….twisting facts come easly to you right?or mybe you should switch a teacher

            Alexander the Great took the land in 300something BC – that is beyond arguments and hard nailed in history.

            you are talking about the Plishtim (another name taken from the bible mind yoy)an old coastal nation that dwelt Cnaan (another word from bible) before dissapearing from the land. anyway ,they were a tall red haired nation and looking at you and other palistinians, it’s fair to say you are not a decended from these people

            nice try 😉

          • Hind Abyad

            Are suffering from Alzheimer? Beyooond argumeeents?

            Who’s stupid enough not to know Alexandre came 300years ago to Egypt .

            He visited Palestine not for long then went back to business in Egypt.

            Read my Post up there. Aristotle was teatcher to Alexander, he mentioned
            Palestine in a book. Greeks called Palestine, Palestine. Romans studied the Greeks. Western civilisation exist based on Greek literature and civilisation.
            (after Arabs translated Greek to Latin).

          • Heraclitus

            You talk so much garbage. In 1890 there were 100,000 Arabs in Palestine, today the number of “palestinians” is 10 million. How?? you think we’re stupid and dont know about the mass immigration of arabs from different countries?

            Historic Palestine has nothing to do with the PLO and Arafat. Arabs came from Arabia after 700 AD, how on earth do the “palestinians” of today have anything to do with Greeks and Romans and Hebrews???

          • Hind Abyad

            That will sufice thank you, i am alone and being attacked by a bunch of wolfs.
            Good night.

          • 5thDrawer

            How ?? Errrr …
            Playing birds & bees with no functional condoms for a long time??
            Seems to be a problem all around the Med. 😉

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Greeks referred to Aram as an extension of the port of Sour as they
            knew it best. As such, they called it ‘Syria’. People knew of Philstia
            on the coast but the Greeks especially dealt with it the most. As such,
            there is one written reference to ‘Palestine’ in Greek before the 2nd
            century AD which refers to the general area. By mid-Pagan Roman rule in
            the 2nd century AD, there wasn’t a trace of the Philistines left but
            they were famous as the historical enemies of Israel. Following the Bar
            Kochba revolt (132-135 AD), the Romans changed the names of the
            provinces of Judaea, Samaria and Galilee to Syria Palestina Prima, Syria
            Palestina Secunda and Syria Palestina Tertia. They did this to try to
            wipe out the memory and connection of the indigenous people Israel with
            its land and by naming it after their historical enemies, to add insult
            to injury.

          • doron

            i can remind you how was it calle before the romans ‘or does history that doesn’t fit your pov is banned?
            p.s had the romans called the place their home land ,your example might have some substance to it

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Before 1948? British Mandate of Palestine (Eretz Yisrael, as was printed in Hebrew on all official documents of the Mandate), before that, the Ottoman Sanjaks of Maan, Mustarifiyat Jerusalem, Sanjak of Nablus, Sanjak of Acre. Before that, part of the Ottoman province of Syria. Before that, simply part of the Mamluk Empire and known as ‘Ramleh’. Before that, part of the Ayyubid Empire, before that, mostly the ‘Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem’. Before that, alternating as part of the Fatimid and Seljuq empires and alternately administered as part of Misr and part of Bilad al Shams. Before that, part of the Ikshidid, and prior to that Tulunid empires and administered as part of Misr. Before that, part of the Abassid empire and administered as part of Bilad al Shams. Before that, part of the Ummayad empire and administered as the ‘Ramle’ part of Bilad al Shams. For 22 years prior to that, part of the Rashidun Caliphate. part of it was Jund Filastin and part was Jund Urdan. The borders were horizontal and not at the Jordan river. They were the same as the previous administrative boundaries. Jerusalem was known as ‘Ilya’. Before that, Syria Palestina Prima, Secunda and Tertia under the Byzantines and Romans. Before that, Judaea, Samaria, Galilee. Before that, it called itself Israel and many called it Judah. During the Roman, Byzantine and Persian eras, there were short periods of Israeli (Jewish and/or Samaritan) rebellion and independence where areas called themselves Israel. The first time those borders of ‘Palestine’ ever came into existence was during the British era. It’s funny when I see Arabs showing those borders. Do they want the British to come back? That’s the only time those borders existed.

          • doron

            great effort on re-search, i will cut&past this one with your permission 🙂

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Go for it.

          • Hind Abyad

            who cares you can’t stop people from expressing their views..
            What’s “a work in progress”?

          • doron

            i’ll try to explain:

            first lie: we are palastinians by nationality (there was never a nation named palestin)
            second lie: inhabitants of the region are by default palistinians( comes from the mis-information of first lie)
            third lie: since we decided they are all called palistinians then by default there was never another earlier nation here called Judeah or Israel ( comes from the mis-information of second lie)
            and that my friend is work in progress

          • Hind Abyad

            And the best liers are ?

          • doron

            And the best liers are those who preach for tolerance while blowing up their own people

          • Hind Abyad

            What religion law breakers profess to follow opression, apartheid, occupation, thefth of land, demolition of homes, destruction of property, denial of Human Rigths, murder, criminal acts, enprisonment of children..
            Not religion, the goverment that legitimates it, and people like say; you the opressed are guilty

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            If it wasn’t for a the conflict on a macro scale between larger powers, they wouldn’t be living like that. They aren’t just asking for freedom (which most Israelis want to give them as they don’t want to rule over them), they are asking for what is presently the Israeli capital and they are asking to potentially outnumber Israel’s population. They are saying that if they cannot get all they want then they’d rather not be free. The USA and larger powers prevent Israel from doing anything unilaterally in the West Bank.

          • Hind Abyad

            What picture should we put in dictionaries next to your..ridiculous statement…….!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Stop randomly blanket insulting Zionist leaders for no particular reason.

          • Hind Abyad

            yaawnn ..no particular reasons.

          • Hind Abyad

            No reason.. ok

          • doron

            at least you don’t have the face to deny what i wrote

          • Hind Abyad

            and you have the face to deny i replied 17 hours ago.

        • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          That is exactly what he implies.

          • Hind Abyad

            Well, he’s your friend…

    • Hind Abyad

      I think that’s out of bounds and not scholarly.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There are some people whose names and pictures should appear in the dictionary next to the term ‘hypocrisy’.

    • 5thDrawer

      Dork.

  • This is like getting a great loaf of bread and unwrapping it and throwing the bread away and admiring the wrapper , his teachings and example is the only thing that would be of value in how we view one another.
    here is a smile to share with all of you 🙂

    • Hind Abyad

      Thank you geo 🙂 Merry Christmas to you & family.!
      And the happiest New year to you in case you you read me, everyone loves you, you were so fynny.. i miss you

  • This is like getting a great loaf of bread and unwrapping it and throwing the bread away and admiring the wrapper , his teachings and example is the only thing that would be of value in how we view one another.
    here is a smile to share with all of you 🙂

    • Hind Abyad

      Thank you geo 🙂 Merry Christmas to you & family.!

  • master09

    Wow I at last understand why the world is full of crap, we all think we are rite and never wrong. Jesus is pure peace and love for all humans black white or pink, but to be better than the next peace can not be so chaos must be. May JESUS lead the lost back to LOVE.

  • master09

    Wow I at last understand why the world is full of crap, we all think we are rite and never wrong. Jesus is pure peace and love for all humans black white or pink, but to be better than the next peace can not be so chaos must be. May JESUS lead the lost back to LOVE.

  • cook

    I agree that Jews are palestinians while Abbas and his gang should go back to Jordan

    • Hind Abyad

      And who do think you are Abraham? Who cares what you agree or don’t, Abbas was not born in a river. Zionism is a brain malfonction..now Russian Polish German Kazakstans Ethiopoans Usians
      are Palestinians.. humm ..of course i admit there was never a map of Israel before 1948.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        Go and read some history. There was an Israel in the region thousands of years ago. The last time Israel had autonomy was in the Galilee in the Sassanid period in the 7th century AD.

        • Hind Abyad

          Jerusalem dates from the Stone age, when Jerusalem fell to David in beginning
          of 10th cent.BC it was already considered holy, Melchizedek was the priest of the most high God in Jerusalem (reffered to as Shalem in Genesis), long before the conquest. Why it would “belong” exclusively to Israel, it was called Irousalem.. Jebusalem… when it was invaded the Jebusites owned the city etc…

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        I’m not sure if I’ve ever come across anyone indoctrinated with as much ethnic prejudice as you. It’s quite surprising and rather pre-modern.

        • Hind Abyad

          Fudle dudle…

          • 5thDrawer

            O M G … A Trudeaucrat !!

            😉

          • Hind Abyad

            He was the brightest but he was hated in Quebec.

          • Patience2

            S’pose she liked Dief’n’Dumbaker??

          • Hind Abyad

            No she didn’t.

          • Patience2

            On another note, what about ‘Due South’, one of MY favourites?

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        The idea that Zionism is a brain malfunction or that any political idea that one simply doesn’t agree with is a “brain malfunction” is pretty arrogant and childish. Plus, we’ve already established that you don’t actually even know what Zionism is.

        • Hind Abyad

          It’s a illness unknow in modern psychological literature, egocentric, narcissist arrogant, supremacist, racist, they say; “Palestinians live in cages in West bank because they are animals, we are humans they are not!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            There you go, making stuff up again. WHO says that????????? Who specifically says that ???? And again, stop using the word Zionist like you know what it even means.

          • Hind Abyad

            I read it, everybody read it, each day there are unacceptable treatements of Palestinians, if it was in other countries they would have been sanctions.

  • Heraclitus

    I agree that Jews are palestinians while Abbas and his gang should go back to Jordan

    • Hind Abyad

      And who do think you are Abraham? Who cares what you agree or don’t, Abbas was not born in a river. Zionizm is brain malfonction..now Russian Polish German Kazakstans Ethiopoans Usians
      are Palestinians.. humm ..of course i admit there was never a map of Israel before 1948.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        Go and read some history. There was an Israel in the region thousands of years ago. The last time Israel had autonomy was in the Galilee in the Sassanid period in the 7th century AD.

        • Hind Abyad

          Jerusalem dates from the Stone age, when Jerusalem fell to David in beginning
          of 10th cent.BC it was already considered holy, Melchizedek was the priest of the most high God in Jerusalem (reffered to as Shalem in Genesis) long before the conquest. Why it would “belong” exclusively to Israel, it was called Irousalem.. Jebusalem… when it was invaded the Jebusites owned the city.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        I’m not sure if I’ve ever come across anyone indoctrinated with as much ethnic prejudice as you. It’s quite surprising and rather pre-modern.

        • Hind Abyad

          Fudle dudle…

          • 5thDrawer

            O M G … A Trudeaucrat !!

          • Hind Abyad

            He was the brightest but he was hated in Quebec.

          • Patience2

            S’pose she liked Dief’n’Dumbaker??

          • Hind Abyad

            No she didn’t.

          • Patience2

            On another note, what about ‘Due South’, one of MY favourites?

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        The idea that Zionism is a brain malfunction or that any political idea that one simply doesn’t agree with is a “brain malfunction” is pretty arrogant and childish. Plus, we’ve already established that you don’t actually even know what Zionism is.

        • Hind Abyad

          It’s a illness unknow in the modern psychological literature, egocentric, narcissist arrogant, supremacist, racist, they say; “Palestinians live in cages in West bank because they are animals, we are humans they are not!

          • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            There you go, making stuff up again. WHO says that????????? Who specifically says that ???? And again, stop using the word Zionist like you know what it even means.

          • Hind Abyad

            I read it, everybody read it, each day there are unacceptable treatements of Pallestinians, if it was in other countries they would have been sanctions.

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    Yehoshua ben Yoseph M’Nazerat was an Israelite. Go and read some Christian books and some history books while you’re at it. Palestine was a name for a region with no specific boundaries that didn’t have anything to do with any specific living ethnicity when the name was given to the territory. It’s like saying that Churchill was European and then claiming that Europeans are all German. The real Palestinian people are the Jews and Samaritans.

    • Hind Abyad

      Yes, and some became Christians, and others Moslems, the Monastery of St Macarius
      was founded in 42AD in Egypt, the Coptic Orthodox church is one of the oldest in Christianity,
      there are old scriptures they say; Christianity was intoduced into Egypt soon after its
      appearance in Palestine, and a few years before St Mark arrival in 43 AD, for the nearness
      of Palestine and the large populations of Jews settling there, Christian activity began quite
      early, the pioniers Christian missionaries went first to the Synagogues.

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    Yehoshua ben Yoseph M’Nazerat was an Israelite. Go and read some Christian books and some history books while you’re at it. Palestine was a name for a region with no specific boundaries that didn’t have anything to do with any specific living ethnicity when the name was given to the territory. It’s like saying that Churchill was European and then claiming that Europeans are all German. The real Palestinian people are the Jews and Samaritans.

    • Hind Abyad

      Yes, and some became Christians, and others Moslems, the Monastery of St Macarius was founded in 42AD in Egypt, the Coptic Orthodox church is one of the oldest in Christianity, there are old scriptures they say; Christianity was intoduced into Egypt soon after its appearance in Palestine, and a few years before St Mark arrival in 43 AD, for the nearness of Palestine and the large populations of Jews settling there, Christian activity began quite early, the pioniers Christian missionaries went first to the Synagogues.

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    St. George, the patron Saint of England was from Capadochia. That is now within an area that is mostly Kurdish. So St. George must’ve been a Kurdish Muslim.

    • 5thDrawer

      LOL ….

    • Hind Abyad

      It’s known you’re editing history..in France the word Nabka was taken out of Hachette books for students, don’t tell me Zionist don’t controle US & EU.. i’ts terrible, it cost millions, while Israel has one million & a half poors waiting in line for kitchen soup.

      • 5thDrawer

        Do you think they’d extend the soup line to Tripoli ?? It’s needed …

        • Hind Abyad

          What a sad sad world.. human’s mess

          • Catholicon

            Golah et Gaulois sont proche……n’est-ce-pas?

          • Hind Abyad

            Je connais Gaulois c’est tout, et je suis en maudit avec ce petit heratclitus d’emmerrde d’espion d’israel.. que faites vous debout a cette heure çi.
            Bonne nuit. .

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    St. George, the patron Saint of England was from Capadochia. That is now within an area that is mostly Kurdish. So St. George must’ve been a Kurdish Muslim.

    • 5thDrawer

      LOL ….

    • Hind Abyad

      It’s known you’re editing history..in France the word Nabka was taken out of Hachette books for students, don’t tell me Zionist don’t controle US & EU.. i’ts terrible, it cost millions, while Israel has one million & a half poors waiting in line for kitchen soup.

      • 5thDrawer

        Do you think they’d extend the soup line to Tripoli ?? It’s needed …

        • Hind Abyad

          What a sad sad world.. human’s mess

          • Jeshurun

            Golah et Gaulois sont proche……n’est-ce-pas?

          • Hind Abyad

            Je connais Gaulois c’est tout, et je suis en maudit avec ce petit heratclitus d’emmerrde d’espion d’israel.. que faites vous debout a cette heure çi.
            Bonne nuit. .

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    If you look at coins minted during the Bar Kokhba revolt in 132-135 AD or in any other era of Hebrew history, you will find that they have the name ISRAEL very clearly on them. The indigenous inhabitants (Jews and Samaritans) called it Israel.

    • 5thDrawer

      Ahhh … a Numismatist among the crowd … what are those worth?? 🙂

    • Hind Abyad

      The name of Jacob.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        That is correct.

        • 5thDrawer

          Weird and rascally and deceptive fellow, that Jacob … even did the ‘first-cousin’ marriage thing. No wonder some progeny later made errors. :-)))
          A thief, and a ‘god wrestler’ … wow … even deceived his Father.
          So … Didn’t every Dictator or Ruler or ‘Supreme’ put his name on coins over the centuries?? Way I read it, he was Israel … not the land.

          • Hind Abyad

            Nothing has changed …

    • Catholicon

      “”””The Arbins (bearers of R1b haplogroup) along their migration route to the Middle East and South Mesopotamia apparently have established the Sumer culture (and the state), moving westward to Europe (5000 – 4500 ybp) carrying mainly the R-M269 subclade and its downstream L23 subclade.”””” – Ancient History of the Arbins, Bearers of Haplogroup R1b, from Central Asia to Europe, 16,000 to 1500 Years before Present
      scirp. org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19567#.Ur-Z4_RDuSq

    • Catholicon

      Abram was from Ur, was he not ?

      What is going on in Palaestina this day is nothing more than the 2 fraud cults attempting to prevent The Lord’s Reign. Not a wise move by gomer nyet&yahoo. The Biblical race of Juda is to be found in high concentrations in Wales, France and “Eastern Francia” … know what I mean by “Eastern Francia” you little godless bolshie heathen?

      Remember the Holomodor!!!! Remember it’s perpetrators…. “””” “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.””””

      • Hind Abyad

        They killed the Tsar family i had the name i forget he was the Bolchevic High commander working with Lenin (?)

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    If you look at coins minted during the Bar Kokhba revolt in 132-135 AD or in any other era of Hebrew history, you will find that they have the name ISRAEL very clearly on them. The indigenous inhabitants (Jews and Samaritans) called it Israel.

    • 5thDrawer

      Ahhh … a Numismatist among the crowd … what are those worth?? 🙂

    • Hind Abyad

      The name of Jacob.

      • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        That is correct.

        • 5thDrawer

          Weird and rascally and deceptive fellow, that Jacob … even did the ‘first-cousin’ marriage thing. No wonder some progeny later made errors. :-)))
          A thief, and a ‘god wrestler’ … wow … even deceived his Father.
          So … Didn’t every Dictator or Ruler or ‘Supreme’ put his name on coins over the centuries?? Way I read it, he was Israel … not the land.

          • Hind Abyad

            Nothing has changed …

    • Jeshurun

      “”””The Arbins (bearers of R1b haplogroup) along their migration route to the Middle East and South Mesopotamia apparently have established the Sumer culture (and the state), moving westward to Europe (5000 – 4500 ybp) carrying mainly the R-M269 subclade and its downstream L23 subclade.”””” – Ancient History of the Arbins, Bearers of Haplogroup R1b, from Central Asia to Europe, 16,000 to 1500 Years before Present
      scirp. org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19567#.Ur-Z4_RDuSq

    • Jeshurun

      Abram was from Ur, was he not ?

      What is going on in Palaestina this day is nothing more than the 2 fraud cults attempting to prevent The Lord’s Reign. Not a wise move by gomer nyet&yahoo. The Biblical race of Juda is to be found in high concentrations in Wales, France and “Eastern Francia” … know what I mean by “Eastern Francia” you little godless bolshie heathen?

      Remember the Holomodor!!!! Remember it’s perpetrators…. “””” “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.””””

      • Hind Abyad

        They killed the Tsar family i had the name i forget he was the Bolchevic High commander working with Lenin (?)

  • Btru2u

    Do you know that “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk “, the dictator and the so-called founder of “Republic of Turkey”, was jewish?

    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal, the dictator of Turkey. Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the ruthless dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim, but a secret Jewish descendant of the Jewish Sabbati Zevi! The evidence comes not from tracing his genaology, but from the statements he himself made. Check out the following:

    ZICHRON YAAKOV — There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

    Ms. Kenan checked the president’s itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk’s grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

    “Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?”

    “Of course, of course,” she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey’s national hero.

    Excited and Distressed

    I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk’s Jewish antecedents. “I’m so glad you called again,” said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. “Exactly where did you get your information from?”

    Why was she asking, I countered, if the president’s office had it too?

    * Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. “After you hung up,” she said, “I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?”

    I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

    Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

    “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk – (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

    “Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother’s desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy.”

    Secular Father

    The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia’s version of Ataturk’s education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

    “My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

    “In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother’s wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. …

    “Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her.”

    Who was Mustafa Kemal’s father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk’s mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross’ compendious 1964 “Ataturk” calls Ali Riza a “shadowy personality” and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk’s reluctance to disclose more about his family background: “To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage.”
    Excited and Distressed

    I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk’s Jewish antecedents. “I’m so glad you called again,” said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. “Exactly where did you get your information from?”

    Why was she asking, I countered, if the president’s office had it too?

    * Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. “After you hung up,” she said, “I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?”

    I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

    Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

    “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk – (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

    “Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother’s desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy.”

    Secular Father

    The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia’s version of Ataturk’s education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

    “My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

    “In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother’s wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. …

    “Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her.”

    Who was Mustafa Kemal’s father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk’s mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross’ compendious 1964 “Ataturk” calls Ali Riza a “shadowy personality” and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk’s reluctance to disclose more about his family background: “To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage.”

    Learning Hebrew

    Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
    ” ‘Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one with the bottle of arrack?’ ”
    ” ‘Yes.’ ”
    ” ‘He’s one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.’ ”
    ” ‘What’s his name?’ ”
    ” ‘Mustafa Kemal.’ ”
    ” ‘I’d like to meet him,’ I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes.”

    Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, ‘Father of the Turks.’ Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

    “I’m a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi – not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp.”

    During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:

    ” ‘I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It’s rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as –‘ ”

    And Ben-Avi continues:
    “He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:
    ” ‘Shema Yisra’el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!’
    ” ‘That’s our most important prayer, Captain.’
    ” ‘And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,’ he replied, refilling our glasses.”

    Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant “secret prayer” quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

    “Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

    It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished – once and for all, so he thought – to the mosques.

    Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by the claim that it reflected the faithful’s freedom from the biblical commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by Ezer Weizman’s predecessor, Israel’s second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi, in his book on lost Jewish communities, “The Exiled and the Redeemed”:

    ‘Saintly Offspring’

    “Once a year (during the Doenmes’ annual ‘Sheep holiday’) the candles are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the ceremony of the exchange of wives. … The rite is practiced on the night of Sabbetai Zevi’s traditional birthday. … It is believed that children born of such unions are regarded as saintly.”

    Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that “There is reason to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and continues to this day,” little is known about whether any of the Doenmes’ traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city’s other Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally into Turkish life.

    After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful, however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the ‘Father of the Turks’ was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal’s secret is no doubt one that it would prefer to continue to be kept.
    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the destroyer of the Ottoman Caliphate and the desecrator of Islam in Turkey.

    • 5thDrawer

      Nice ‘score’ Btru2u … very interesting. Thank you.
      And too bad he had a finite life-span, I guess. 😉
      Although some Armenians may have been happy to see him go as well, their lot has not improved much in retrospect with a ‘coming out’ of secularity. But then, they are Christians, aren’t they. Still low-end of the spectrum with those silly concepts of peace and love.

      Strange how some aspects of Doenme life-style resemble Druze and Alawite …. hmmm

    • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      Are you crazy???? It is well documented that Ataturk was a Bosnian Muslim.

      • 5thDrawer

        I doubt he wrote it. Is he crazy for putting it here??
        You can add the ‘documents’ if you like.

      • Catholicon

        This is documented as well; en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Khazar-Arab_Wars

        As is this: jewishencyclopedia. com/articles/4279-chazars

        Oh and this as well as noted in Ezekiel 38 that the Rothschild would have a bit placed in their jaws…… wikipedia. org/wiki/Red_Jews

    • Hind Abyad

      In 1000 cent. when the Arabs went to conquer Spain, Jews travelled alongside for business.
      The Arabs protected the Jews in Spain, when they left in 15th cent. Jews were expelled..it was
      the inquisition, most of them went to Turkey.

      • Btru2u

        In that era , Muslims protected the Jews from the Christians. In hind site it looks like that was a big mistake . ( ungrateful bastards)..

        • Hind Abyad

          That’s history, they don’t care about history they edit history.
          Zionist will never at least recognize, they were protected by the Arabs from the Christans..a mental illness.

    • Guest

      The Great Arab Revolt of 1916 destroyed the Ottoman Empire when Arab Muslims went against Turkish Muslims. The Arabs were followers of the great infidel British Lawrence of Arabia.

      • Btru2u

        During the end of the 18th century, the Ottoman rulers fell into the grievous sin of borrowing money on usury, from Jewish bankers based in Europe, a practice condemned in the Quran itself. This lead to financial takeover of the Ottoman empire by these bankers when the Ottomans were unable to pay their debts. These Jewish bankers even approached the last Ottoman ruler Sultan Abdul Hamid with the offer to erase all his state debts in exchange for Palestine, an offer which was rejected. But the British, French, Russians and Jewish bankers were not the only ones eyeing the Ottoman empire
        What is important to know is that The Revolt of the “Young Turks” started from Salonica and that is where Mustafa Kemal Ataturk hailed from!

        Quote:

        According to Sir Gerard Lowther: “the sect of Shabtai Levi (zevi) or Crypto-Jews, who externally profess Islamism. Many of the former have in the past acquired Italian Nationality and are Freemasons affiliated to Italian Lodges. ” (Source)

        Quote:

        “… On the 1st May, 1909, the representatives of 45 Turkish Lodges met in Constantinople and founded the ‘Grand Orient Ottoman’. Mahmoud Orphi Pasha was nominated Grand Master…”

        The Freemason Grand Orient Ottoman Lodge has currently camouflaged itself as Naqshbandis, pseudo-Islamic esoteric cults and are still very active. All leaders following Ataturk were crypto-jews. The Orphi Pasha mentioned above was a strong opponent of Sultan Abdul Hamid. Muslims note that they have tampered with Quranic verses in their logo.

        Quote:

        “It was noticed that Jews of all colours, native and foreign, were enthusiastic supporters of the new dispensation, till, as a Turk expressed it, every Hebrew became a potential spy of the occult (Balkan) Committee, and people began to remark that the movement was rather a Jewish than Turkish Revolution…”

        Quote:

        “Both confirm that the City of Constantinople fell to an army of between 70,000 and 80,000 occult Masonic Jews and 20,000 crypto-Muslim Jews, without a shot being fired.”

        Quote:

        In Sahih Muslim, Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet Muhammad inquired: Have you heard of a city, of which part is in the sea? Yes, they said (understanding him to mean Constantinople). He said: “ The Last Hour shall not occur until 70,000 of the children of Isaac shall attack it. When they will come to it they will land down, but they will not fight with arms, nor shower it with arrows. They will only say: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and one of its sides will fall. They will recite it for the second time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is The Greatest’, and another side of the city will fall. Afterwards they will recite for a third time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and then it will be opened to them, and they will enter it and acquire booty. While they will be dividing the spoils, a proclaimer will come to them and say: Verily Dajjal/Anti-Christ has come out. Then they will leave everything and return.”

      • Btru2u

        Though Sultan Abdul Hamid displayed extraordinary administrative talent in reducing Turkey’s debt, the “Young Turks” decided to have him deposed.

        What follows was Mustafa Kemal’s rule, which reveals a deep seated animosity for Islam, the like of which has not even been seen among Saddam and his atheist Baathists. It is important to know that till the abolition of the Caliphate, Mustafa Kemal always posed as a sincere and pious Muslim. Here are some activities conducted by Mustafa Kemal right after he seized power in Turkey:

        1. Stating that “We do not receive our laws from the sky” referring to Quran.
        2. Changed mosque prayer mats to wooden pews, to obstruct the Muslim style of prayer.
        3. Banned the traditional and immensely popular Turkish hat, banned women from wearing the veil.
        4. “Philosophic training” for mosque preachers.
        5. Wearing of shoes in mosque, as opposed to the tradition of taking off shoes.
        6. Attempted installing musical choirs in places of worship.
        7. Tried to change the original “Allahu Akbar” (God is great) to “Tanri Uludur!” (Turkish translation) during calls for prayer.
        8. Was quoted as saying ” Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab (referring to Prophet Mohammed[pbuh]), is a dead thing. Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.”

        MUSTAFA KEMAL WAS ALSO A SECRET DESCENDANT OF JEWISH FALSE MESIAH SHABTAI ZEVI

      • Btru2u

        Jews are controlling the Turkish Army

        What can we expect from secret Jews who are controlling Turkish Army? Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jew, whose ancestors were given shelter by Osmani Caliph after Spanish inquisition. And those secret Jews gave the price to World Muslims by destroying the Caliphate after Sultan Abdul Hamid refused to allow Jewish State in Palestine.

        Caliphate is a must for this world as there will be no restriction of passport and visa, where no people can be a hostage within a small border, where a few families will become owner of billion of dollars wealth, where rule of law will be imposed by those few families for their personal benefit. So the World must know how human rights of billions of people violated by the treacherous way when 1300 years old Caliphate was abolished in 1924. We all know about the role played by Lawrence of Arabia; but many of us were ignorant about the following: “the new Turkish State(Republic of Turkey) which was established by Doenmehs (secret jews of Turkey), is a state of the people and a state by the people.” But why did Mustafa Kemal abolish the Caliphate, which was the political System of majority people of Turkey? Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Jew, secret Jew and the greatest enemy of Islam, as he abolished the Caliphate and suppressed the Muslims in Turkey. Along with Western powers and Jews there were some secret Jews who were conspiring against the Khilafah. Mustafa Kemal was one of them.

        He was not even a Turk. He was a Doenmeh (secret Jew). He achieved the objective of not the Turks but of the Doenmehs who slowly took over the Ottoman State by openly converting to and practicing Islam but secretly practicing their old religion… He was not a Turk, let alone ‘Father of the Turks’. He was a Doenmeh who wore first a Muslim mask, then a Turkish mask.

        The following is from “The Literary Digest”, October 14, 1922, page 50 :

        “A Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding, trained in a German war college, a patriot, a student of the campaigns of the world’s great generals, including Napoleon, Grant and Lee – these are said to be a few outstanding characteristics in the personality of the new “Man on Horseback” who has appeared in the Near East. He is a real dictator, the correspondents testify, a man of the type which is at once the hope and fear of nations torn to pieces by unsuccessful wars. Unity and power have come back to Turkey largely through the will of Mustafa Kemal Pasha.

        …… There was the pasha himself, tall, still young, good-looking, narrow-hipped, wide-shouldered, with gray, rather sad eyes that spoke eloquently of his Spanish-Jewish ancestry – for Kemal, like Enver Pasha, tho an orthodox Moslem, is descended from those Spanish-Jewish families that, given by Christianity the tolerant choice between death, conversion and exile, found asylum and happiness in the Sultan’s domains – and with strong, high-veined hands, broad and flat across the wrist – the hands of an artist, a dreamer, yet, too, those of a doer, a man who knows how to clout his dreams into facts. ”

        This was the origin of the most important group, numerically and historically, of Islamic Marranos. The faithful Mohammedans call these hidden Jews “doenmehs”, the renegades. ….. Over the years the “doenmeh” movement became firmly established in Asia Minor. In the nineteenth century the sect was estimated to have twenty thousand members. Salonika remained its main seat until that city became Greek in 1913.

        Here is a quotation from Joachim Prinz’s “The Secret Jews”, page 122 :

        ( I did not make the story nor any member of World Muslims. From the same book written by a Jew, the World can know how Jews lived under Caliphate, Spain to India and Yemen to Bosnia and how Jews were placed in high post. But what we know now is that the World Muslims who protected the Jews from inquisition after inquisition by European Christians; were fooled and by the same Jews Caliphate were abolished. )

        ” …
        The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent “doenmehs”. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of “Ataturk”. His opponents tried to use his “doenmeh” background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna. ”

        Mustafa Kemal’s ancestors, who came from Spain after the fall of Islam, were given shelter under the Caliphate. You can get the above book – “The Secret Jews, by Joachim Prinz, 1973”, from most of the Public Libraries in USA and other western countries.

      • Btru2u

        Jewish Dictator Ataturk rules in Muslim Turkey!

        The following quotations about the Jewish dictator Mustafa Kemal were published in Western news media during his reign:

        – TIME, January 9, 1933, page 64:

        Squinting skyward last week, Turks looked for the new moon. When they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan the mystic month in which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had been ordered by their stern dictator, Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made them drop the veil and the fez (TIME, Feb. 15, 1926 et seq.), that beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his Arabic name, Allah.

        No godly man, Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish imams (priests) all know the Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any have memorized it in Turkish. Strict to the point of cruelty last week was Dictator Kemal’s decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to prayer from the top of Turkey’s minarets, must shout not the hallowed “Allah Akbar!” (Arabic for “God is Great!”) but the unfamiliar words “Tanri Uludur!” which mean the same thing in Turkish.

        When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400 brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce “newly trained muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the breach.” ………

        Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kemal that he simply could not change the name of Turkey’s god – at least not last week. Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for announcing that they would continue to shout “Allah Akbar!” The populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the Allah-shouters.

        Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded “Let them pray as they please, temporarily” he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. “On account of the general unpreparedness of muezzins and imams,” they suavely declared, “prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams must be in Turkish.”

        During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they eat nothing during the hours of daylight. After the fasting is over Turks will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for their God.

        – TIME, February 20, 1933, page 18:

        Word for God
        A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the “green city”, a muezzin hallowed “Tanri Uludur” from one of the minarets whence Brusans had heard “Allah Akbar” since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal Pasha’s god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to save him.

        Quick to defend his new word for God, quicker to show new Turkey the fate of the old-fashioned, Kemal the Ghazi, “the Victorious One,” pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that henceforth God was Tanri.

        – TIME, February 15, 1926, page 15-16:

        “Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging field on the face of the earth for missionary service.” Thus wrote James L. Barton, missionary executive, in last week’s issue of ‘Christian Work.’ But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey since 1923. The changes: ……… For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled hopelessly to capture the hearts of the Caliph-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr. Barton, to suspect that “the Moslem was outside the sphere of the operation of divine grace.”

        * * * * *

        – Turkey, Emil Lengyel, 1941, page 134:

        Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey’s misfortune. It was Allah’s tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through Allah’s aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal’s purpose, he could discard Him.

        – page 140-141:

        During the early days of Mustafa Kemal’s career, many of his followers were under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. “Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians” was the name they gave him. Had they been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him “Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam.”

        * * * * *

        – Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal: An Intimate Study of a Dictator, H.C. Armstrong, 1934

        He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.

        – page 241:

        “For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik,” he said, “and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey.”

        “They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.

        “Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing.” Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.

        “God’s revelation!” There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

        “A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule..”

        And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

        Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree.

        – page 243:

        Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheik-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.

        * * * * *

        – Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation, Lord Kinross, 1965, page 437:

        For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. “If only,” he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, “we could make them Christians!” His was not to be the reformed Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a strictly lay state, with a centralized Government as strong as the Sultan’s, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual bureaucracy.

        – page 470:

        The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki (an alcoholic drink) took effect, he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying, “Now if you like you can both play together.” Another evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled – one of those orders which was countermanded next morning.

  • Btru2u

    Do you know that “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk “, the dictator and the so-called founder of “Republic of Turkey”, was jewish?

    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal, the dictator of Turkey. Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the ruthless dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim, but a secret Jewish descendant of the Jewish Sabbati Zevi! The evidence comes not from tracing his genaology, but from the statements he himself made. Check out the following:

    ZICHRON YAAKOV — There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

    Ms. Kenan checked the president’s itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk’s grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

    “Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?”

    “Of course, of course,” she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey’s national hero.

    Excited and Distressed

    I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk’s Jewish antecedents. “I’m so glad you called again,” said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. “Exactly where did you get your information from?”

    Why was she asking, I countered, if the president’s office had it too?

    * Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. “After you hung up,” she said, “I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?”

    I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

    Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

    “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk – (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

    “Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother’s desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy.”

    Secular Father

    The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia’s version of Ataturk’s education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

    “My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

    “In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother’s wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. …

    “Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her.”

    Who was Mustafa Kemal’s father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk’s mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross’ compendious 1964 “Ataturk” calls Ali Riza a “shadowy personality” and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk’s reluctance to disclose more about his family background: “To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage.”
    Excited and Distressed

    I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk’s Jewish antecedents. “I’m so glad you called again,” said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. “Exactly where did you get your information from?”

    Why was she asking, I countered, if the president’s office had it too?

    * Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. “After you hung up,” she said, “I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?”

    I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

    Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

    “Mustafa Kemal Ataturk – (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

    “Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother’s desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy.”

    Secular Father

    The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia’s version of Ataturk’s education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

    “My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

    “In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother’s wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. …

    “Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her.”

    Who was Mustafa Kemal’s father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk’s mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross’ compendious 1964 “Ataturk” calls Ali Riza a “shadowy personality” and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk’s reluctance to disclose more about his family background: “To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage.”

    Learning Hebrew

    Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
    ” ‘Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one with the bottle of arrack?’ ”
    ” ‘Yes.’ ”
    ” ‘He’s one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.’ ”
    ” ‘What’s his name?’ ”
    ” ‘Mustafa Kemal.’ ”
    ” ‘I’d like to meet him,’ I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes.”

    Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, ‘Father of the Turks.’ Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

    “I’m a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi – not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp.”

    During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:

    ” ‘I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It’s rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as –‘ ”

    And Ben-Avi continues:
    “He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:
    ” ‘Shema Yisra’el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!’
    ” ‘That’s our most important prayer, Captain.’
    ” ‘And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,’ he replied, refilling our glasses.”

    Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant “secret prayer” quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

    “Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

    It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished – once and for all, so he thought – to the mosques.

    Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by the claim that it reflected the faithful’s freedom from the biblical commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by Ezer Weizman’s predecessor, Israel’s second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi, in his book on lost Jewish communities, “The Exiled and the Redeemed”:

    ‘Saintly Offspring’

    “Once a year (during the Doenmes’ annual ‘Sheep holiday’) the candles are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the ceremony of the exchange of wives. … The rite is practiced on the night of Sabbetai Zevi’s traditional birthday. … It is believed that children born of such unions are regarded as saintly.”

    Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that “There is reason to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and continues to this day,” little is known about whether any of the Doenmes’ traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city’s other Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally into Turkish life.

    After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful, however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the ‘Father of the Turks’ was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal’s secret is no doubt one that it would prefer to continue to be kept.
    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the destroyer of the Ottoman Caliphate and the desecrator of Islam in Turkey.

    • 5thDrawer

      Nice ‘score’ Btru2u … very interesting. Thank you.
      And too bad he had a finite life-span, I guess. 😉
      Although some Armenians may have been happy to see him go as well, their lot has not improved much in retrospect with a ‘coming out’ of secularity. But then, they are Christians, aren’t they. Still low-end of the spectrum with those silly concepts of peace and love.

      Strange how some aspects of Doenme life-style resemble Druze and Alawite …. hmmm

    • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      Are you crazy???? It is well documented that Ataturk was a Bosnian Muslim.

      • 5thDrawer

        I doubt he wrote it. Is he crazy for putting it here??
        You can add the ‘documents’ if you like.

      • Jeshurun

        This is documented as well; en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Khazar-Arab_Wars

        As is this: jewishencyclopedia. com/articles/4279-chazars

        Oh and this as well as noted in Ezekiel 38 that the Rothschild would have a bit placed in their jaws…… wikipedia. org/wiki/Red_Jews

    • Hind Abyad

      In 1000 cent. when the Arabs went to conquer Spain, Jews travelled alongside for business.
      The Arabs protected the Jews in Spain, when they left in 15th cent. Jews were expelled..it was
      the inquisition, most of them went to Turkey.

      • Btru2u

        In that era , Muslims protected the Jews from the Christians. In hind site it looks like that was a big mistake . ( ungrateful bastards)..

        • Hind Abyad

          That’s history, they don’t care about history they edit history.
          Zionist will never at least recognize, they were protected by the Arabs from the Christans..a mental illness.

    • johngilbert

      The Great Arab Revolt of 1916 destroyed the Ottoman Empire when Arab Muslims went against Turkish Muslims. The Arabs were followers of the great infidel British Lawrence of Arabia.

      • Btru2u

        During the end of the 18th century, the Ottoman rulers fell into the grievous sin of borrowing money on usury, from Jewish bankers based in Europe, a practice condemned in the Quran itself. This lead to financial takeover of the Ottoman empire by these bankers when the Ottomans were unable to pay their debts. These Jewish bankers even approached the last Ottoman ruler Sultan Abdul Hamid with the offer to erase all his state debts in exchange for Palestine, an offer which was rejected. But the British, French, Russians and Jewish bankers were not the only ones eyeing the Ottoman empire
        What is important to know is that The Revolt of the “Young Turks” started from Salonica and that is where Mustafa Kemal Ataturk hailed from!

        Quote:

        According to Sir Gerard Lowther: “the sect of Shabtai Levi (zevi) or Crypto-Jews, who externally profess Islamism. Many of the former have in the past acquired Italian Nationality and are Freemasons affiliated to Italian Lodges. ” (Source)

        Quote:

        “… On the 1st May, 1909, the representatives of 45 Turkish Lodges met in Constantinople and founded the ‘Grand Orient Ottoman’. Mahmoud Orphi Pasha was nominated Grand Master…”

        The Freemason Grand Orient Ottoman Lodge has currently camouflaged itself as Naqshbandis, pseudo-Islamic esoteric cults and are still very active. All leaders following Ataturk were crypto-jews. The Orphi Pasha mentioned above was a strong opponent of Sultan Abdul Hamid. Muslims note that they have tampered with Quranic verses in their logo.

        Quote:

        “It was noticed that Jews of all colours, native and foreign, were enthusiastic supporters of the new dispensation, till, as a Turk expressed it, every Hebrew became a potential spy of the occult (Balkan) Committee, and people began to remark that the movement was rather a Jewish than Turkish Revolution…”

        Quote:

        “Both confirm that the City of Constantinople fell to an army of between 70,000 and 80,000 occult Masonic Jews and 20,000 crypto-Muslim Jews, without a shot being fired.”

        Quote:

        In Sahih Muslim, Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet Muhammad inquired: Have you heard of a city, of which part is in the sea? Yes, they said (understanding him to mean Constantinople). He said: “ The Last Hour shall not occur until 70,000 of the children of Isaac shall attack it. When they will come to it they will land down, but they will not fight with arms, nor shower it with arrows. They will only say: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and one of its sides will fall. They will recite it for the second time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is The Greatest’, and another side of the city will fall. Afterwards they will recite for a third time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and then it will be opened to them, and they will enter it and acquire booty. While they will be dividing the spoils, a proclaimer will come to them and say: Verily Dajjal/Anti-Christ has come out. Then they will leave everything and return.”

      • Btru2u

        Though Sultan Abdul Hamid displayed extraordinary administrative talent in reducing Turkey’s debt, the “Young Turks” decided to have him deposed.

        What follows was Mustafa Kemal’s rule, which reveals a deep seated animosity for Islam, the like of which has not even been seen among Saddam and his atheist Baathists. It is important to know that till the abolition of the Caliphate, Mustafa Kemal always posed as a sincere and pious Muslim. Here are some activities conducted by Mustafa Kemal right after he seized power in Turkey:

        1. Stating that “We do not receive our laws from the sky” referring to Quran.
        2. Changed mosque prayer mats to wooden pews, to obstruct the Muslim style of prayer.
        3. Banned the traditional and immensely popular Turkish hat, banned women from wearing the veil.
        4. “Philosophic training” for mosque preachers.
        5. Wearing of shoes in mosque, as opposed to the tradition of taking off shoes.
        6. Attempted installing musical choirs in places of worship.
        7. Tried to change the original “Allahu Akbar” (God is great) to “Tanri Uludur!” (Turkish translation) during calls for prayer.
        8. Was quoted as saying ” Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab (referring to Prophet Mohammed[pbuh]), is a dead thing. Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.”

        MUSTAFA KEMAL WAS ALSO A SECRET DESCENDANT OF JEWISH FALSE MESIAH SHABTAI ZEVI

      • Btru2u

        Jews are controlling the Turkish Army

        What can we expect from secret Jews who are controlling Turkish Army? Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jew, whose ancestors were given shelter by Osmani Caliph after Spanish inquisition. And those secret Jews gave the price to World Muslims by destroying the Caliphate after Sultan Abdul Hamid refused to allow Jewish State in Palestine.

        Caliphate is a must for this world as there will be no restriction of passport and visa, where no people can be a hostage within a small border, where a few families will become owner of billion of dollars wealth, where rule of law will be imposed by those few families for their personal benefit. So the World must know how human rights of billions of people violated by the treacherous way when 1300 years old Caliphate was abolished in 1924. We all know about the role played by Lawrence of Arabia; but many of us were ignorant about the following: “the new Turkish State(Republic of Turkey) which was established by Doenmehs (secret jews of Turkey), is a state of the people and a state by the people.” But why did Mustafa Kemal abolish the Caliphate, which was the political System of majority people of Turkey? Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Jew, secret Jew and the greatest enemy of Islam, as he abolished the Caliphate and suppressed the Muslims in Turkey. Along with Western powers and Jews there were some secret Jews who were conspiring against the Khilafah. Mustafa Kemal was one of them.

        He was not even a Turk. He was a Doenmeh (secret Jew). He achieved the objective of not the Turks but of the Doenmehs who slowly took over the Ottoman State by openly converting to and practicing Islam but secretly practicing their old religion… He was not a Turk, let alone ‘Father of the Turks’. He was a Doenmeh who wore first a Muslim mask, then a Turkish mask.

        The following is from “The Literary Digest”, October 14, 1922, page 50 :

        “A Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding, trained in a German war college, a patriot, a student of the campaigns of the world’s great generals, including Napoleon, Grant and Lee – these are said to be a few outstanding characteristics in the personality of the new “Man on Horseback” who has appeared in the Near East. He is a real dictator, the correspondents testify, a man of the type which is at once the hope and fear of nations torn to pieces by unsuccessful wars. Unity and power have come back to Turkey largely through the will of Mustafa Kemal Pasha.

        …… There was the pasha himself, tall, still young, good-looking, narrow-hipped, wide-shouldered, with gray, rather sad eyes that spoke eloquently of his Spanish-Jewish ancestry – for Kemal, like Enver Pasha, tho an orthodox Moslem, is descended from those Spanish-Jewish families that, given by Christianity the tolerant choice between death, conversion and exile, found asylum and happiness in the Sultan’s domains – and with strong, high-veined hands, broad and flat across the wrist – the hands of an artist, a dreamer, yet, too, those of a doer, a man who knows how to clout his dreams into facts. ”

        This was the origin of the most important group, numerically and historically, of Islamic Marranos. The faithful Mohammedans call these hidden Jews “doenmehs”, the renegades. ….. Over the years the “doenmeh” movement became firmly established in Asia Minor. In the nineteenth century the sect was estimated to have twenty thousand members. Salonika remained its main seat until that city became Greek in 1913.

        Here is a quotation from Joachim Prinz’s “The Secret Jews”, page 122 :

        ( I did not make the story nor any member of World Muslims. From the same book written by a Jew, the World can know how Jews lived under Caliphate, Spain to India and Yemen to Bosnia and how Jews were placed in high post. But what we know now is that the World Muslims who protected the Jews from inquisition after inquisition by European Christians; were fooled and by the same Jews Caliphate were abolished. )

        ” …
        The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent “doenmehs”. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of “Ataturk”. His opponents tried to use his “doenmeh” background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna. ”

        Mustafa Kemal’s ancestors, who came from Spain after the fall of Islam, were given shelter under the Caliphate. You can get the above book – “The Secret Jews, by Joachim Prinz, 1973”, from most of the Public Libraries in USA and other western countries.

      • Btru2u

        Jewish Dictator Ataturk rules in Muslim Turkey!

        The following quotations about the Jewish dictator Mustafa Kemal were published in Western news media during his reign:

        – TIME, January 9, 1933, page 64:

        Squinting skyward last week, Turks looked for the new moon. When they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan the mystic month in which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had been ordered by their stern dictator, Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made them drop the veil and the fez (TIME, Feb. 15, 1926 et seq.), that beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his Arabic name, Allah.

        No godly man, Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish imams (priests) all know the Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any have memorized it in Turkish. Strict to the point of cruelty last week was Dictator Kemal’s decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to prayer from the top of Turkey’s minarets, must shout not the hallowed “Allah Akbar!” (Arabic for “God is Great!”) but the unfamiliar words “Tanri Uludur!” which mean the same thing in Turkish.

        When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400 brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce “newly trained muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the breach.” ………

        Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kemal that he simply could not change the name of Turkey’s god – at least not last week. Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for announcing that they would continue to shout “Allah Akbar!” The populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the Allah-shouters.

        Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded “Let them pray as they please, temporarily” he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. “On account of the general unpreparedness of muezzins and imams,” they suavely declared, “prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams must be in Turkish.”

        During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they eat nothing during the hours of daylight. After the fasting is over Turks will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for their God.

        – TIME, February 20, 1933, page 18:

        Word for God
        A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the “green city”, a muezzin hallowed “Tanri Uludur” from one of the minarets whence Brusans had heard “Allah Akbar” since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal Pasha’s god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to save him.

        Quick to defend his new word for God, quicker to show new Turkey the fate of the old-fashioned, Kemal the Ghazi, “the Victorious One,” pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that henceforth God was Tanri.

        – TIME, February 15, 1926, page 15-16:

        “Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging field on the face of the earth for missionary service.” Thus wrote James L. Barton, missionary executive, in last week’s issue of ‘Christian Work.’ But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey since 1923. The changes: ……… For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled hopelessly to capture the hearts of the Caliph-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr. Barton, to suspect that “the Moslem was outside the sphere of the operation of divine grace.”

        * * * * *

        – Turkey, Emil Lengyel, 1941, page 134:

        Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey’s misfortune. It was Allah’s tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through Allah’s aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal’s purpose, he could discard Him.

        – page 140-141:

        During the early days of Mustafa Kemal’s career, many of his followers were under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. “Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians” was the name they gave him. Had they been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him “Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam.”

        * * * * *

        – Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal: An Intimate Study of a Dictator, H.C. Armstrong, 1934

        He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.

        – page 241:

        “For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik,” he said, “and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey.”

        “They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.

        “Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing.” Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.

        “God’s revelation!” There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

        “A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule..”

        And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

        Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree.

        – page 243:

        Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheik-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.

        * * * * *

        – Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation, Lord Kinross, 1965, page 437:

        For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. “If only,” he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, “we could make them Christians!” His was not to be the reformed Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a strictly lay state, with a centralized Government as strong as the Sultan’s, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual bureaucracy.

        – page 470:

        The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki (an alcoholic drink) took effect, he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying, “Now if you like you can both play together.” Another evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled – one of those orders which was countermanded next morning.

  • 5thDrawer

    Read the story about the starving in a Syrian camp. Now, THAT’s a proper ‘siege’.

    • Hind Abyad

      Syria is invaded by foreign extremists Jihadis comming from 18 different countries.

      • 5thDrawer

        I was talking about how to run a siege – since Abbas alluded to one.

        • Hind Abyad

          I don’t catch sarcastic jokes, no talent.

  • 5thDrawer

    Read the story about the starving in a Syrian camp. Now, THAT’s a proper ‘siege’.

    • Hind Abyad

      Syria is invaded by foreign extremists Jihadis comming from 18 different countries.

      • 5thDrawer

        I was talking about how to run a siege.

        • Hind Abyad

          I don’t catch sarcastic jokes, no talent.

  • Guest

    Bethlehem of Judea (Matthew 2:1) and not Batlam of Filistina

  • Guest

    Bethlehem of Judea (Matthew 2:1) and not Batlam of Filistina