Lebanon preparing a draft law for civil marriage

civil marriage posterThe Lebanese Justice Ministry announced Thursday that it is currently preparing a draft law for civil marriage.

“The Justice Ministry’s Legislation and Consultancy Committee is preparing a draft law for civil marriage in Lebanon,” caretaker Justice Minister Shakib Qortbawi said during a seminar.

“The law that governs this kind of marriage must be a Lebanese one in order to register the marriage.” Qortbawi added

Kholoud Succariyeh and Nidal Darwish, with the support of a civil society activist, became the first couple in Lebanon to be wed in a civil marriage.

Caretaker Interior Minister Marwan Charbel signed their civil marriage certificate On April 25.

Charbel, however, pointed out: “Their religions must not be changed and the couple’s marriage would follow the laws of personal affairs that their sects stipulate, awaiting issuing a code that governs optional civil marriage in the country.”

He explained that this is because there are no texts concerning divorce, inheritance and kids for “people with no religious affiliation.”

President Michel Suleiman congratulated last April the couple via Twitter over the official registration of their civil marriage.

The Lebanese Supreme Council in the Ministry of Justice took an unanimous decision in February to consider legal all civil marriages conducted in Lebanon by people that do not have any religious affiliation.

Succariyeh and Darwish announced in January they had wed as a secular couple by having their religious sects legally struck from their family registers under an article dating from the 1936 French mandate.

While president Suleiman welcomed the development and has been lobbying for a civil marriage law caretaker Prime Minister Najib Miqati and Grand Mufti Sheikh Mohammed Rashid Qabbani rejected it.

Qabbani issued a fatwa against moves to legalize civil marriages inside the country, where couples of different faiths have to travel abroad to tie the knot.

First ‘sect-less’ baby

Lebanon witnessed recently the birth of the first ‘sect-less’ baby when Succariyeh gave birth to Gabi.

“Ghadi was born pure, was born a Lebanese citizen,” explained his happy mother, Kholoud Sukkarieh, as she held her nearly 2-month-old baby close. “He was not born a sectarian person.”

  • 5thDrawer

    And more needs to be done. Screw Mikati who is led by gangs of Qabbanis.
    Get some civil laws into the place.

    • Hannibal

      Hear hear… It’s about time. Bunch of backwardly retards.

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Backwardly retards! Really is that what a person is who has a different view on things? A great saint once said, “Today’s majority will be tomorrow’s minority”. Looks like me and some others are going to be in that minority group, and guess what I’m happy to be in the minority but remember today’s church was built on traditional teachings you sensitive new age majority.

        • Hannibal

          I hate to bring it to you Mr. Christian Salafi but the only people opposing this are the Sunni fundamentalists… The church will leave it up to you to decide.

          So tell me this… If a Christian falls in love with a moslem? what then?

          Faith is between you and God…

          Jesus said: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ.[Matthew 22:21]

          • master09

            I’m sorry do you even know what Jesus was trying to say in that last quote. I am not sure are you able to xplain it to me.

          • 5thDrawer

            Master09 – I think he grabbed the wrong one for the subject … :-)))
            He was doing his taxes at the time … :-))))

          • Hannibal

            Nope I still have until April 😛

          • Hannibal

            Oh simply? or you would want the whole story?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You just answered and confirmed what I am trying to convey to you, render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is Gods, and as far as I am concerned and the church and our church forefathers marriage is one of the seven sacraments and the sacraments have no place in a government office. And if a Christian falls in love with a Moslem then according to the faith and reasons that are too many and delicate to be explained here both must be baptised prior to marriage, if you don’t like it argue with yourself till you go blue, there is no room for the Luke warm, you don’t pick and choose what suits your needs, it’s the whole undivided Christian faith or it’s something else not of God.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Also Hannibal, sounds like you are for it just out of spite fullness against the Sunni, are you going to base all your decision making depending on what others decide? If you want to be different try listening and understanding instead of being so confident in your own wisdom.

          • Hannibal

            I am my dear padawan, I am very confident… Under my tutoring you shall become too.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Well see how confidant you are standing in front of the Judge. Becareful.

          • Hannibal

            Jesus is LOVE not fear… You should try it sometime.
            Fear is what other religions practice… Are you sure you follow Jesus?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You need to ask yourself that question.

          • 5thDrawer

            So .. a child is baptised. But never gets married. Is that half-a-sin?
            In the eyes of some …
            People marry in a ‘sanctified’ manner, but never have a child.
            For some, that is proof they need to atone for ‘things’ …
            You want to believe God did it??? You are making a judgment call …

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Fool.

          • Hannibal

            You just confirmed my diagnosis of you… What makes you any different than the takfiri moslems? Jesus is love yet somehow you and those Barbaric hordes follow 666…

        • 5thDrawer

          That ‘Great Saint’ recognized the fact that humans die. :-)))

  • 5thDrawer

    And more needs to be done. Screw Mikati who’s is led by gangs of Qabbanis.
    Get some civil laws into the place.

    • Hannibal

      Hear hear… It’s about time. Bunch of backwardly retards.

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Backwardly retards! Really is that what a person is who has a different view on things? A great saint once said, “Today’s majority will be tomorrow’s minority”. Looks like me and some others are going to be in that minority group, and guess what I’m happy to be in the minority but remember today’s church was built on traditional teachings you sensitive new age majority.

        • Hannibal

          I hate to bring it to you Mr. Christian Salafi but the only people opposing this are the Sunni fundamentalists… The church will leave it up to you to decide.

          So tell me this… If a Christian falls in love with a moslem? what then?

          Faith is between you and God…

          Jesus said: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ.[Matthew 22:21]

          • master09

            I’m sorry do you even know what Jesus was trying to say in that last quote. I am not sure are you able to xplain it to me.

          • 5thDrawer

            Master09 – I think he grabbed the wrong one for the subject … :-)))
            He was doing his taxes at the time … :-))))

          • Hannibal

            Nope I still have until April 😛

          • Hannibal

            Oh simply? or you would want the whole story?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You just answered and confirmed what I am trying to convey to you, render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is Gods, and as far as I am concerned and the church and our church forefathers marriage is one of the seven sacraments and the sacraments have no place in a government office. And if a Christian falls in love with a Moslem then according to the faith and reasons that are too many and delicate to be explained here both must be baptised prior to marriage, if you don’t like it argue with yourself till you go blue, there is no room for the Luke warm, you don’t pick and choose what suits your needs, it’s the whole undivided Christian faith or it’s something else not of God.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Also Hannibal, sounds like you are for it just out of spite fullness against the Sunni, are you going to base all your decision making depending on what others decide? If you want to be different try listening and understanding instead of being so confident in your own wisdom.

          • Hannibal

            I am my dear padawan, I am very confident… Under my tutoring you shall become too.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Well see how confidant you are standing in front of the Judge. Becareful.

          • Hannibal

            Jesus is LOVE not fear… You should try it sometime.
            Fear is what other religions practice… Are you sure you follow Jesus?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You need to ask yourself that question.

          • 5thDrawer

            So .. a child is baptised. But never gets married. Is that half-a-sin?
            In the eyes of some …
            People marry in a ‘sanctified’ manner, but never have a child.
            For some, that is proof they need to atone for ‘things’ …
            You want to believe God did it??? You are making a judgment call …

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Fool.

          • Hannibal

            You just confirmed my diagnosis of you… What makes you any different than the takfiri moslems? Jesus is love yet somehow you and those Barbaric hordes follow 666…

        • 5thDrawer

          That ‘Great Saint’ recognized the fact that humans die.

  • Maborlz Ez-Hari

    We are removing religion out of our lives, the day will come when wearing a crucifix will be frowned upon. True marraige isn’t carried out in an office it’s witnessed and carried out in church in front of the alter and blessed by God through the sacrament that it is. Are we going to baptise our children in the government offices also?. Please just because we see the multitude of religions in our society and the conflicts we have due to our many beliefs you can’t credit civil marriage with the same union that our church and faith has done and will do. Civil marraige is simply wrong and not a place for Christians.

    • 5thDrawer

      Wrong. (What uber-religious-christian born-again-country are you in??)
      Aside from sensible ‘economic’ reasons ….
      There are many reasons for a civil union. I’ll give one example.
      Assume 2 people of ‘first marriages’, where spouses died – and who don’t want to go through the ‘pomp and ceremony’ again – but feel they could be loving partners – in life – with possible benefits for the respective children perhaps.
      And IF they are of different religious backgrounds, and some idiot Mufti or Priest says ‘no, I won’t marry you – you have to live the rest of your life wearing black – and too bad you’re ignored by everyone in this building, but you can’t marry outside the faith…’,
      Well, there MUST be a way … in a civilized society.
      WHERE, indeed, does God/Allah deny love???
      It’s called civility. Allow people to be that with each other.
      AS for your silly ‘baptism’ bit … which has nothing to do with marriage … that is strictly a church ‘faith-function’.
      What kind of Christian would refuse baptism to one who wanted it, or to a child, if you believe it must be done to ‘save a soul’? Even the MAFIA have their children baptized, don’t they?
      IF You need a list of the other ‘civil-law’ things required here, ask ….

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        First, your are wrong.
        Second, I am not a born again.
        Third, it doesn’t have to cost the earth to get married in Church. The party and celebrations I can live without.
        Four, if they have been previously married people who’s partners died, no can deny them a wedding so I don’t know what the problem is.
        Fifth, if the people are of differing faiths then like it or hate it they need to clear that up first. If they are Moslem and Buddhist I don’t really care in the first place but good luck to them, however if one of the persons is Christian the partner needs to be Christian otherwise my argument stops right here. I’m not saying we are superior to others on a human level but when it comes to our faith and raising children in a family the per ants need to be both Christian, this is not negotiable, my friend and I don’t want to sound like a uber-religious born again.
        Finally, there is a way in a civilised society and that is the traditional way, the way the Christians were taught by Jesus and his disciples. He who thinks his wisdom is superior to that of our churches teachings can go start up another religion like many have done in the past. But if you belong to the Christian faith, no one has seen or heard from Jesus that I know of, and was given permission to change his teachings.

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Further, 5th drawer, it seems to me that there are no sharp tools inside your drawers. What does Baptism have to do with Marriage?…. THEY BOTH CHURCH SACRAMENTS dispensed by a priest in a church in front of the Holy Tabernacle and showered upon with Gods grace and blessings. But this is only important and relevant to Christians every one else can ignore my post.

          • 5thDrawer

            Well … let’s ignore that Moslem/Buddhist divide (although love conquers all).
            Let me try ‘Anglican/Roman Catholic’ …. in, perhaps, Ireland instead of Lebanon.
            Or even a spacier ‘Maronite/United Church’ mix in Lebanon.
            Or a theoretically closer ‘Maronite/Russian Orthodox’ …
            All ‘Christians’. But with Dissallowed marriages in a local church, and people ostracized from a community, or killed, because they dared to desire.
            ALL CHRISTIAN.
            You should know your Christian history …. it’s as convoluted as the Moslems’.
            And the most recent example of the couple in Lebanon – both Moslem – with a baby now threatened with death because they ‘did the foul deed’ of mixing Sunni and Shiite the only way they were ALLOWED to – In a state-recognized union – which up to now has been OK in Cyprus, but not Lebanon. Weird.
            WHICH Now, under civil laws, should allow that child certain things.
            Things it COULD NOT HAVE under ‘rules’ of those ‘Religiously Blocked Heads’.
            Citizenship. Identity. Passport. Rights of Life-Protections. Rights of Inheritance.
            RIGHTS OF BEING A HUMAN. Whether male or female.
            CIVIL. !!!!
            You seem to think that all will run to the state now. Everyone will have ‘quickies’ and forever be living in ‘sin’ …. the world will end like the ‘Book-Freaks’ believe.
            Shake your head, man.
            The Christian side of the world shook it’s head a few times after the Dark Ages. There have been improvements for everyone … but there are pockets of resistance … which is why I pondered where you were … because not everyone lives in the ‘Cosmopolitan Vertical Megacities’ where no-one asks ‘Is your marriage sanctified by ‘our church’?’- Where people are accepted for how they relate to the environment. Some little villages are controlled by a tribal mentality, where even the preacher/mufti better toe the line if he wants the job.
            If that village is part of a state … the state should have some civil laws.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            If you are a secular unbeliever why are you arguing with a christian like me? Live your life according to ceasar and render to him what you like. I will endeavor to live my life as a christian, with faults i’ll admit. And when your days have ended let the government deal with your carcass as there is no need for a funeral, no need for prayers, and when eternity is starring you in the face, I’ll wish you the best.

    • Hannibal

      I am not removing religion from my life… Actually I became MORE spiritual when I shed the sorcery out of it…

      I can go on arguing with you for years but when one is brainwashed he becomes a takfiri like you… Christian or Moslem…

      Jesus straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Your comparing apples with oranges, if someone has sinned must he/she continue in his/her ways and promote a free for all? Im not free from sin and I know it but I do admit to what I do is wrong. If following the churches rules is takfiri, then what do you call someone who doesn’t? Go on and sugar coat your ideas and point the finger and ridicule the people who hold on to what has been taught for thousands of years as fools. Your spirituality that has improved since you left the sorcery out is for you to answer not me, as I have never seen it nor do I have a clue what your getting at.

        • Hannibal

          You see try to compare apples and oranges sometime… You will end up less rigid.

    • Hannibal

      Is that the same religion that believes Noah had all pairs of every species on his small boat? Hmmmmm. I’d rather believe in Santa Claus as he brings gifts… lol

      • 5thDrawer

        Yah Hannibal … the expandable cloth sack makes more sense than stiff cubits of wood.
        And I hope no kids are reading us … but YES, I believe in Santa. CHEERS !

        • Hannibal

          Crap forgot the kids… Sorry!

          • 5thDrawer

            🙂

  • Maborlz Ez-Hari

    We are removing religion out of our lives, the day will come when wearing a crucifix will be frowned upon. True marraige isn’t carried out in an office it’s witnessed and carried out in church in front of the alter and blessed by God through the sacrament that it is. Are we going to baptise our children in the government offices also?. Please just because we see the multitude of religions in our society and the conflicts we have due to our many beliefs you can’t credit civil marriage with the same union that our church and faith has done and will do. Civil marraige is simply wrong and not a place for Christians.

    • 5thDrawer

      Wrong. (What uber-religious-christian born-again-country are you in??)
      Aside from sensible ‘economic’ reasons ….
      There are many reasons for a civil union. I’ll give one example.
      Assume 2 people of ‘first marriages’, where spouses died – and who don’t want to go through the ‘pomp and ceremony’ again – but feel they could be loving partners – in life – with possible benefits for the respective children perhaps.
      And IF they are of different religious backgrounds, and some idiot Mufti or Priest says ‘no, I won’t marry you – you have to live the rest of your life wearing black – and too bad you’re ignored by everyone in this building, but you can’t marry outside the faith…’,
      Well, there MUST be a way … in a civilized society.
      WHERE, indeed, does God/Allah deny love???
      It’s called civility. Allow people to be that with each other.
      AS for your silly ‘baptism’ bit … which has nothing to do with marriage … that is strictly a church ‘faith-function’.
      What kind of Christian would refuse baptism to one who wanted it, or to a child, if you believe it must be done to ‘save a soul’? Even the MAFIA have their children baptized, don’t they?
      IF You need a list of the other ‘civil-law’ things required here, ask ….

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        First, your are wrong.
        Second, I am not a born again.
        Third, it doesn’t have to cost the earth to get married in Church. The party and celebrations I can live without.
        Four, if they have been previously married people who’s partners died, no can deny them a wedding so I don’t know what the problem is.
        Fifth, if the people are of differing faiths then like it or hate it they need to clear that up first. If they are Moslem and Buddhist I don’t really care in the first place but good luck to them, however if one of the persons is Christian the partner needs to be Christian otherwise my argument stops right here. I’m not saying we are superior to others on a human level but when it comes to our faith and raising children in a family the per ants need to be both Christian, this is not negotiable, my friend and I don’t want to sound like a uber-religious born again.
        Finally, there is a way in a civilised society and that is the traditional way, the way the Christians were taught by Jesus and his disciples. He who thinks his wisdom is superior to that of our churches teachings can go start up another religion like many have done in the past. But if you belong to the Christian faith, no one has seen or heard from Jesus that I know of, and was given permission to change his teachings.

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Further, 5th drawer, it seems to me that there are no sharp tools inside your drawers. What does Baptism have to do with Marriage?…. THEY BOTH CHURCH SACRAMENTS dispensed by a priest in a church in front of the Holy Tabernacle and showered upon with Gods grace and blessings. But this is only important and relevant to Christians every one else can ignore my post.

          • 5thDrawer

            Well … let’s ignore that Moslem/Buddhist divide (although love conquers all).
            Let me try ‘Anglican/Roman Catholic’ …. in, perhaps, Ireland instead of Lebanon.
            Or even a spacier ‘Maronite/United Church’ mix in Lebanon.
            Or a theoretically closer ‘Maronite/Russian Orthodox’ …
            All ‘Christians’. But with Dissallowed marriages in a local church, and people ostracized from a community, or killed, because they dared to desire.
            ALL CHRISTIAN.
            You should know your Christian history …. it’s as convoluted as the Moslems’.
            And the most recent example of the couple in Lebanon – both Moslem – with a baby now threatened with death because they ‘did the foul deed’ of mixing Sunni and Shiite the only way they were ALLOWED to – In a state-recognized union – which up to now has been OK in Cyprus, but not Lebanon. Weird.
            WHICH Now, under civil laws, should allow that child certain things.
            Things it COULD NOT HAVE under ‘rules’ of those ‘Religiously Blocked Heads’.
            Citizenship. Identity. Passport. Rights of Life-Protections. Rights of Inheritance.
            RIGHTS OF BEING A HUMAN. Whether male or female.
            CIVIL. !!!!
            You seem to think that all will run to the state now. Everyone will have ‘quickies’ and forever be living in ‘sin’ …. the world will end like the ‘Book-Freaks’ believe.
            Shake your head, man.
            The Christian side of the world shook it’s head a few times after the Dark Ages. There have been improvements for everyone … but there are pockets of resistance … which is why I pondered where you were … because not everyone lives in the ‘Cosmopolitan Vertical Megacities’ where no-one asks ‘Is your marriage sanctified by ‘our church’?’- Where people are accepted for how they relate to the environment. Some little villages are controlled by a tribal mentality, where even the preacher/mufti better toe the line if he wants the job.
            If that village is part of a state … the state should have some civil laws.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            If you are a secular unbeliever why are you arguing with a christian like me? Live your life according to ceasar and render to him what you like. I will endeavor to live my life as a christian, with faults i’ll admit. And when your days have ended let the government deal with your carcass as there is no need for a funeral, no need for prayers, and when eternity is starring you in the face, I’ll wish you the best.

    • Hannibal

      I am not removing religion from my life… Actually I became MORE spiritual when I shed the sorcery out of it…

      I can go on arguing with you for years but when one is brainwashed he becomes a takfiri like you… Christian or Moslem…

      Jesus straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

      • Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Your comparing apples with oranges, if someone has sinned must he/she continue in his/her ways and promote a free for all? Im not free from sin and I know it but I do admit to what I do is wrong. If following the churches rules is takfiri, then what do you call someone who doesn’t? Go on and sugar coat your ideas and point the finger and ridicule the people who hold on to what has been taught for thousands of years as fools. Your spirituality that has improved since you left the sorcery out is for you to answer not me, as I have never seen it nor do I have a clue what your getting at.

        • Hannibal

          You see try to compare apples and oranges sometime… You will end up less rigid.

    • Hannibal

      Is that the same religion that believes Noah had all pairs of every species on his small boat? Hmmmmm. I’d rather believe in Santa Claus as he brings gifts… lol

      • 5thDrawer

        Yah Hannibal … the expandable cloth sack makes more sense than stiff cubits of wood.
        And I hope no kids are reading us … but YES, I believe in Santa. CHEERS !

        • Hannibal

          Crap forgot the kids… Sorry!

          • 5thDrawer

            🙂