Lebanon Mufti declares war on civil Marriage

mufti qabbaniLebanon’s top Sunni Muslim cleric, Grand Mufti Sheikh Mohammed Rashid Qabbani declared war  on civil Marriage by   issuing a fatwa branding as an apostate any Muslim politician who approves its legislation.

“Any Muslim with legal or executive authority in Lebanon who supports the legalisation of civil marriage is an apostate and outside the religion of Islam,” he said on the website of Dar al-Fatwa, the official institution for fatwas.

He branded Civil marriage as a bacteria.

“There are predators lurking among us, trying to sow the bacteria of civil marriage in Lebanon, but they should know that the religious scholars will not hesitate to do their duty” and prevent the passage of such a bill. ”

He issued a warning to  Muslim officials who support the Civil marriage issue that  they would not be eligible to be buried in a Muslim cemetery

“ Such officials  would not be washed, would not be wrapped in a  burial  shroud, would not have prayers for their soul in line with Islamic rules, and would not be buried in a Muslim cemetery,” Qabbani warned

His comment comes days after   Lebanese President Michel Suleiman’s announcement  in Arabic and English on his Facebook page that Lebanon should work on drafting a civil marriage law to help build unity in the multi-faith country, appears to have helped the issue gain momentum . 95 % of the respondents reportedly backed the president’s position .

The first one to denounce civil marriage  was   Prime Minister Najib  Mikati  who called  the  debate on  the issue  a waste of time and useless .

Mikati’s comments  has already  surely disappointed many Lebanese who were hoping that the government will take up this issue immediately and refer it to the parliament for a vote.

Progressive Socialist party leader MP Jumblatt , who along with Suleiman and Mikati form the centrist  bloc in the cabinet praised Suleiman’s announcement   calling  it progressive thinking”  and adding “this measure will mark the beginning of the process of elimination of sectarian barriers in the country

3 cabinet ministers also jumped on the civil marriage bandwagon after Suleiman’s announcement and voiced their support for it as an alternative.

Interior Minister Marwan Charbel who  represents Suleiman and  Qortbawi  who represents MP Michel Aoun announced during separate interviews with an Nahar newspaper in remarks published last Monday that they support civil marriage in Lebanon as an alternative but both said the issue requires proper laws that regulate such a union . Tourism Minister Fadi Abboud who also represents Aoun reportedly asked the prime minister to put the issue on the Cabinet’s agenda next week.

What Mufti Qabbani failed to understand or grasp  according to observers is that Lebanon is not  an Islamic state run by  the Islamic Shariaa law and what he also missed  is the fact  that for about $1500, a couple can fly to neighboring  Cyprus , get a civil marriage, return to Lebanon and their marriage  will be legally  recognized in Lebanon. In addition , what he also  failed to grasp according to observers  is the fact that civil marriage is  being proposed as an option and no  one  will forcing Muslims  or Christians  from any sect to have a civil marriage.

Kholoud Sukkariyeh and Nidal Darwish
A handout picture released by the Darwish family on January 22, 2013, shows Kholoud Sukkariyah  and Nidal Darwish posing for a photograph during a photoshoot at an undisclosed location. AFP

The  issue  gained momentum soon after Kholoud Sukkariyah and Nidal Darwish challenged the sectarian personal status code in Lebanon and became the first couple to hold a civil marriage in lebanon

To achieve their objective was not easy and required some paperwork including deleting  the mention of their religious sects from their Lebanese IDs and basing their marriage on Decree No. 60 L.R. which was adopted in 1936 by the High Commissioner during the French Mandate in Lebanon , which organizes and recognizes sects and grants them rights.

Attorney Talal Husseini, who authored their contract  revealed that  the  decree says that those who are not affiliated with a sect are subject to the civil law of personal status, as well as to the introduction of the Constitution which adopts the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

“Kholoud and Nidal’s marital contract was signed by the Notary Public and it was referred to the  Interior Minister  who will look into its legitimacy,” LBCI  quoted Attorney Husseini as saying last week

The chairman of the Parliament’s Human Rights Committee MP Michel Musa said last week  that the government should allow couples to have a civil marriage in Lebanon instead of forcing many Lebanese travel abroad to wed.

According to observers there will be a lot of pressure on Mikati from within the cabinet , the legislative and the executive branches to take up this issue while it is still hot.

Gemayel slams Qabbani over fatwa

Phalange MP Sami Gemayel slammed the mufti’s remarks in Tuesday as a violation of the civil state.

Speaking to reporters in Parliament, Gemayel said: “The mufti’s comments are a violation of the civil state and every Lebanese person’s right which is stipulated in the Constitution.”

“It is the right of any Lebanese to abide by religion or not and we believe that any violation to that right is a violation of the constitution.”

He added that forcing any Lebanese to do something either physically or mentally is punishable by law, and that every lawmaker is obliged to protect the right of freedom of belief of citizens.

  • 5thDrawer

    An Un-Civil Mufti – for sure.
    Really Nice Picture of the happy couple. Good to know there are some places a happy couple can sneak away to, to be out of the prying eyes of idiot Muftis, etc. Good they got it in before the snow fell. 😉

  • 5thDrawer

    An Un-Civil Mufti – for sure.
    Really Nice Picture. Good to know there are some places a happy couple can sneak away to, to be out of the prying eyes of idiot Muftis, etc. Good they got it in before the snow fell. 😉

  • Beiruti

    The beginning of civil marriage means the end of religious control. This is what this man fears, he knows that Muslim women will run to Christian men, so they don’t have to give birth to many kids in their life. I knew a Sunni woman who gave birth to 10 kids, and a Shi’ite woman who gave birth to 14 kids, one after one they dont stop having kids, while Christian families in general have 2-4 children. Who the hell are we as a nation none the less? To decide who loves who? When i was a little kid, my aunt married a Muslim man, keep in mind my aunt was a Maronite. I swear to God, anyone that is reading this, they got along better, and cared for each other more, than any of my other uncles and aunts who married someone from their own religion.

    • FreetheME1

      Or maybe Christian woman will run to Muslim men, After all we are better lovers. lol

      • Hannibal

        fasharet… Muslim men OWN their women. We treat them as our equal. Better lover my a55. You just want a star fish to open her leg. You do not love… you… what do you say? btenka7? metel el 7ayaween…
        and Beiruti REALLY man? Did you have to start this discussion?
        Being secular in a civil marriage is supposed to eradicate religion from the equation of matrimony.

        • FreetheME1

          Hannibal, Calm down bro. I was just having a bit of fun. Christian men are the best lovers.
          Does that make you feel better now. I can just imagine you pounding your chest when
          you responded to me.

          And just for the record Hannibal, a lot of Christian woman run to Muslim men. I wonder Why?

          • Hannibal

            It is not the men Christians or Moslems that I am defending but degrading our women both Christians and Moslems that they choose a man based on a stigma. That makes them really stupid and I object to it. Our women suffered enough humiliation in our system and for a woman to chose, based on a stupid religion, a man is just that, stupid. Imagine a Moslem who becomes a Christian and he becomes a lesser lover. Wow academic really.

        • IraniAngel

          Hannibal are you really that ignorant??? have you ever met an iraniAngel woman?? arent they muslims too? well, at least some of them still are, but thats not the point.
          the point is that if you ever had met an iraniAngel woman you would never say something as stupid as that. IraniAngel women are those who OWN their HUSBANDS! not the other way around!
          ask any of your iraniAngel friend.
          But then again what applies to iraniAngels doesnt always apply to the arabs as well, because we the iraniAngels are fundamentally different from you..

          • joey

            well you are right about irani angel woman they like to control there man and they are short fat and ugly and for god sake they smell like hell its like they never heard of soap and water or they never seen deodorant in there life i don;t know why the hell irani man bother with them well half of the time they can not see them cos the afyouni killed there brain

          • IraniAngel

            maybe the smell is from your mouth and you just think that people around you smell… if i really focus i can virtually smell your bad breath. its overwhelming

          • Patience2

            Oh, oh … Aoun just walked in the door, and he’s TALKING!

      • IraniAngel

        thats for sure. in europe all the chicks run to muslim men. the idea of a muslim women would run to christian men is just silly

        • alisar smith

          I have done just that IraniAngel I am a Muslim women and married a European Christian man and he is a wonderful person.

          • Hannibal

            Well said Alisar… BTW You have a beautiful name.

          • alisar smith

            Thank you

          • FreetheME1

            This could be the beginning of a love story, But be carful Hannibal, Alisar is Muslim. Or at the very least was

          • IraniAngel

            good for you.

          • alisar smith

            Thank you.

        • Andrew

          Generally, in Europe just uneducated women run to traditionalist Muslim men. Unless you’re an European women, then keep your mouth shut and don’t use the word “chick” just because you met some ex dancers from Europe who now try to become exemplar wives. Hardly you will find educated women who have a career to accept to marry and become just a house-wife taking care of kids and husband as if the husband has some kind of handicap and can’t open the refrigerator door to take the food from there. More than religion is a matter of education: the wife is your partner, not your unpaid slave who should serve you. If a man doesn’t like to wash dishes and has the right not to do it, then he should keep in mind that his wife has the same right, so it means both should do it as a sign of respect for the partner.

          • FreetheME1

            Looks like someone wife’s got him by the balls, Was your wife standing over
            your head while you were typing. I know a lot of educated European woman who run to
            Muslim men.

            Actually one of the most influential woman of this era ran to a Muslim man, Remember
            lady Diana, (RIP) She ran to Dodi Al Fayed. He must of been doing something right.

          • Hannibal

            yeah he did something right… He died.

          • FreetheME1

            Why Hannibal, because he was Muslim. I bet if he was Christian you would have worshipped him for being with Lady Diana (RIP). (RACIST)

          • Hannibal

            No because he bought people with his money… I do not like the rich. Any problem with that too? Oh yes I am racist because I am anti-rich.

          • MeYosemite

            As you noticed the threat above, it is not easy for muslim women to cross the line. Most of that statistic is determined buy their cultural settings. Meaning it is commonly accepted for a European to date anyone without having muftis or popes excommunicate them. Even if the husband of the lady is prince. The worst of all it is that individual are still willing to brake the taboos and fight for the right to defend their personal freedom, but these religious leaders go after their families and abuse the family for shame. A recent story on this was an Aussie Muslim girl being sent to Lebanon for an arranged marriage, she run away seeking police and court order not to have her parents pursue her under the pressure of their shame for having a local boyfriend. Muslim women suffer a lot in the dating business.

          • Andrew

            No, I simply treat my wife as a person who has the same rights and responsibilities as me. This made me have a 18 years long marriage and I’m proud of that. Haven’t you noticed that those women who “run to Muslim men” tend to choose men who behave like European men? As for Diana, definitely, he must have done something right and among those things he done right, treating her according to European model must have been among them.

          • libnan1

            I have a question Andrew, I’m Christian and like it dogy style. Does that mean I don’t treat my wife as a person?

          • Hannibal

            Of course she is a person but from the name of the position it makes you a dog, doesn’t it?

          • Andrew

            where is the connection between sex preferences which a couple may have and what i was talking about? I’m talking about the fact that many (not all) Muslim women should have father approval to continue education especially if she wants to study abroad or should have husband’s approval to continue to have a job after she gets married. I mean the fact that many Muslim women are seen just as housekeepers and mothers (which is not bad to be) but their other capabilities are totally ignored and only these roles are emphasized and i can go on here long and get examples from countries such as Saudi Arabia. So, where is the connection to sex here????

          • master09

            She did not see Islam and he did not see Christianity, they happen to see humans.
            Sorry that some people see humans by the God they pray to.Lol.

          • IraniAngel

            nevertheless, the european women still do most of the housework.

          • Andrew

            Dear IraniAngel decide! Above you said European women don’t cook and now you say they do housework. Are you somehow afraid that your boyfriend would prefer an European women? Is that the reason you dis-consider European women?

          • IraniAngel

            how do the fact that european women do most of the housework contradict the fact that they cant cook?

            for instance they are able to vacuum the house and do it more often than their husbands. however they tend to not being able to cook, why the pick up some fast food on a daily basis… see, the two things are not mutually exclusive after all. think mr andrew! think! its not against the law

          • Andrew

            Probably some of them tend to cook less because they come back from work late in evening or because they afford to eat out in some restaurant. What about those Arab women who stay home the entire day chit-chatting with some friends and in evening buy food from a close restaurant. Do you think they are better? But why do you think that just the woman should cook? I know many couples where men cook and enjoy doing that, while women are responsible with cleaning the house. By the way, it’s not against the law to be polite and have a reasonable conversation.

          • IraniAngel

            first, you shut up! then, i forgot to mention that a lot of european men marry women from the far east, because they wont marry european women who can only cook take away food and oh yeah: shut up!

          • Andrew

            waw! they don’t marry, they take housekeepers! taking a wife is different. It means to be able to treat her as equal, not according to a role that you think she must perform. Yes, my wife cooks now and then because we prefer to spend quality time together.

      • alisar smith

        Naughty comment, not very nice thing to say.

        • 5thDrawer

          We forget there are ladies here … on occasion … not often enough … 😉

      • libnan1

        From my experience, women love uncircumcised men ask me I know ….:)

        • Did you hear about the jewish doctor that saved all the foreskins that he snipped,,, when he retired he had them sewn into a wallet…. when you rub it it becomes a suitcase :)P

          • libnan1

            Very funny Geo ….:) Or it becomes a woman’s handbag…..

          • Hannibal

            or a hat for you…

          • Prophettttt

            geo,Good day&Good laugh.It’s been said that people who practice circumcision are the most optimistic people in the world;They take a chance and cut some off before they even know how big it will get. lol

        • Hannibal

          How so? it is 15% off?

      • Patience2

        Dreamer.

        • FreetheME1

          I take your a chest pounder as well not to mention something else you might be
          pounding.

    • IraniAngel

      having many kids has nothing to do with religion, but it is rather a culturally conditioned behaviour. In Iran it was very normal to have 10 kids some generations ago. nowadays no one can financially afford 10 kids. besides the young generation of iranians have other priorities than their parents and grandies… get an education, have a lot of fun, go out with a lot of women and then marry the sexiest one… and the last point on their agenda is to have kids.

      • 5thDrawer

        Not entirely true Irani … a young (attractive) female friend in Tripoli was approached by a fisherman/boat owner with a huge smile … and a few of us witnessed this conversation.
        ‘Are you married?’
        ‘No’.
        ‘Are you Muslim?’
        ‘No’. (like he couldn’t tell with a pile of hair flowing freely in the wind and western-style clothes 😉
        ‘Oh’. (moment of thought – then back to a silly smile) ‘That’s ok, you can become one. I would like to marry you.’
        ‘WHAT ?? Hahahahaha’
        (The friends now gather around – ask what the hell he wants and why he’s bothering her … and amazingly, and I must say politely, he explains …)
        ‘No trouble please … but I need a second wife. My first wife has had 10 kids … can’t have any more. I need a second wife. I can take care of her. She will eat well. I fish. I buy all her clothes … She can make 10 more for me.’
        (small incredulous crowd almost afraid to laugh too loud … but the female friend does … and then VERY firmly says …)
        ‘Are you CRAZY ?? NO! This will NEVER happen. Forget it!’ (turns her back and walks)
        We say, ‘You gave it a good shot man … but there you go.’ (tone of sympathy-short)

        Laugh our heads off after … but she was happy to be with the group.
        We were happy she was too.
        Hmmm … and the Mufti talks about predators …

        • Hannibal

          Tripoli is kind of small as far as the Christian community. My wife grew up there. Her parents live there still… We may end up being relatives. Oh God where is the scotch? 😉

          • 5thDrawer

            Hiccup …. 😉

      • Prophettttt

        IranAngel,I happened to agree with you that having many kids has nothing to do with religion. It’s a cultural,educational,and economical issue.
        Good example;People in south Lebanon, Christians and Muslims alike, had similar economical conditions,and less educated people.The majority of people worked in farming,or planting Tobacco,or tending to olive trees and other orchards. Farmers always had more kids to help out in the fields. If any one had the misfortune to work in tobacco plantation, which is a very demanding, torturous, and miserable long process, will know what I’m talking about.
        Christians families in south Lebanon have as many kids as Muslims families. Growing up very close to christian families in few Christians villages, my family had many friends in those villages. We were so close that we know the majority of the people of those villages,and I can tell you for sure,at lease during the time I was there, there were many families who 10 or more,and very few families had less than 5 kids.

        I went to school with many christian kids who traveled to our town to attend high school, and just about every kids I knew, had many siblings. I’ve been to many weddings and social gatherings in those villages,and I can tell you that their homes were as crowded as our homes. lol
        Nowadays, most people have some education,and they are having less kids. Having and raising kids are much more costly now than it was back then.Most kids are going to college,and getting better education,and definitely are have less kids than their parents had.

        • Moe28

          True, Both Great grandmothers of mine gave birth to 12 and 14 children each nowadays I don’t see anyone with more then 4 kids Max!! And i have a huge family.

          • Prophettttt

            Moe28,Come to Brooklyn,N.Y. where the orthodox Jews community lives,and you will see families of 10 or more. Also Mexican(who are not Muslims,read Hannibal!!) tend to have many kids.

            African Americans,Muslims and Christians alike, tend to have more kids than whites.

            Amish and Mormons communities,both are christian, have many kids as well.

          • FreetheME1

            Good point Prophet. Still wont make a difference though, Ignorant racist Hannibal
            will still come up with some reason to criticise Muslims. .

          • Prophettttt

            Free, You can either ignore, or respond with Facts,and even then, you’ll likely be met with denial or prejudice.
            Ignorance and anger are facts of life,and there is not much you can do about them, except to wish that closed minds came with closed mouths .lol

          • Hannibal

            How am I a racist if I criticize a religion? I criticize all religions except for Baha’ism, Sufism (Islamic) and Buddhism. When I say that Constantin used Christianity to unify his kingdom was wrong, am I a racist? When I criticize the catholics for the inquisition am I a racist? Yes if I were to criticize the Arabs like IraniAngel then I am a racist. You may say I am an anti-Islam although it is not true I can accept that. But that does not make me a racist. Your religion needs a rehab and you know it. I am not talking about the few lunatics because we have those in any religion. I am talking about societal issues that Islam is not getting over and NOT the spiritual message of Islam. So stop your bullshit and listen to the real message.

          • IraniAngel

            buddhism is not quite a religion, but rather a philosophy, because in order to be characterized as an religion a god or gods are required. buddhism has no god and buddha is just what muhammad is to muslims, namely some kind of messenger or prophet if you will. but there is no god involved whatsoever

          • 5thDrawer

            Correct. And much better for it.

          • Patience2

            Buddha, himself, once said … do not worship me, just try to be like me. Well, you see how far that got.

          • IraniAngel

            Everybody in the world should stop having loads of kids. i mean, the world population has reached to 7 billion already… mother nature cant provide for all of us.

          • Moe28

            13th ave? or Ocean Pkwy? I have seen them 🙂

        • FreetheME1

          Another reason why they had many kids is because Village people are much better
          lovers than city folk. lol

          • Prophettttt

            No, Free, they had less entertainment. LOL
            Also, because it is a colder environment with no central heating, Body heat works well.
            Jim Caryey’s famous line ,when asked if He liked women;He said “Yes,when I’m cold or when I’m hot”.lol

          • 5thDrawer

            So prophet … now we know why there’s no electricity !!!
            Maybe if there was electricity for lights and TV, the birthrate would go down …

          • Prophettttt

            Yes, Early sunset,long boring evenings,no electricity,no heat, no TV,no internet, little money to keep the fire place running,and no entertainment ;people hit the bed early and use body heat to keep each warm, and end up doing PUNTA PUNTA dance under the covers.lol

        • IraniAngel

          exactly.. my grandies – on my mother’s side of the family – had 10 kids – 8 girls and 2 boys – my parents had only 2 kids. im gonna have one at top… seriously i cant stand noisy babies.

  • Beiruti

    The beginning of civil marriage means the end of religious control. This is what this man fears, he knows that Muslim women will run to Christian men, so they don’t have to give birth to many kids in their life. I knew a Sunni woman who gave birth to 10 kids, and a Shi’ite woman who gave birth to 14 kids, one after one they dont stop having kids, while Christian families in general have 2-4 children. Who the hell are we as a nation none the less? To decide who loves who? When i was a little kid, my aunt married a Muslim man, keep in mind my aunt was a Maronite. I swear to God, anyone that is reading this, they got along better, and cared for each other more, than any of my other uncles and aunts who married someone from their own religion.

    • FreetheME1

      Or maybe Christian woman will run to Muslim men, After all we are better lovers. lol

      • Hannibal

        fasharet… Muslim men OWN their women. We treat them as our equal. Better lover my a55. You just want a star fish to open her leg. You do not love you what do you say? bteqa7 metel el 7ayaween…
        and Beiruti REALLY man? Did you have to start this discussion?
        Being secular in a civil marriage is supposed to eradicate religion from the equation of matrimony.

        • FreetheME1

          Hannibal, Calm down bro. I was just having a bit of fun. Christian men are the best lovers.
          Does that make you feel better now. I can just imagine you pounding your chest when
          you responded to me.

          And just for the record Hannibal, a lot of Christian woman run to Muslim men. I wonder Why?

          • Hannibal

            It is not the men Christians or Moslems that I am defending but degrading our women both Christians and Moslems that they choose a man based on a stigma. That makes them really stupid and I object to it. Our women suffered enough humiliation in our system and for a woman to chose, based on a stupid religion, a man is just that, stupid. Imagine a Moslem who becomes a Christian and he becomes a lesser lover. Wow academic really.

        • IraniAngel

          Hannibal are you really that ignorant??? have you ever met a iraniAngel woman?? arent they muslims too? well, at least some of them still are, but thats not the point.
          the point is that if you ever had met an iraniAngel woman you would never say something as stupid as that. IraniAngel women are those who OWN their MEN! not the other way around!
          ask any of your iraniAngel friends.
          But then again what applies to iraniAngels doesnt always applies to the arabs as well, because we the iraniAngels are fundamentally different from you..

          • joey

            well you are right about irani angel woman they like to control there man and they are short fat and ugly and for god sake they smell like hell its like they never heard of soap and water or they never seen deodorant in there life i don;t know why the hell irani man bother with them well half of the time they can not see them cos the afyouni killed there brain

          • IraniAngel

            maybe the smell is from your mouth and you just think that people around you smell… if i really focus i can virtually smell your bad breath. its overwhelming

          • Patience2

            Oh, oh … Aoun just walked in the door, and he’s TALKING!

      • IraniAngel

        thats for sure. in europe all the chicks run to muslim men. the idea of a muslim women would run to a christian men is just silly

        • alisar smith

          I have done just that IraniAngel I am a Muslim women and married a European Christian man and he is a wonderful person.

          • Hannibal

            Well said Alisar… BTW You have a beautiful name.

          • alisar smith

            Thank you

          • FreetheME1

            This
            could be the beginning of a love story, But be carful Hannibal, Alisar is Muslim. Or at the very least was

          • IraniAngel

            good for you.

          • alisar smith

            Thank you.

        • Andrew

          Generally, in Europe just uneducated women run to traditionalist Muslim men. Unless you’re an European women, then keep your mouth shut and don’t use the word “chick” just because you met some ex dancers from Europe who now try to become exemplar wives. Hardly you will find educated women who have a career to accept to marry and become just a house-wife taking care of kids and husband as if the husband has some kind of handicap and can’t open the refrigerator door to take the food from there. More than religion is a matter of education: the wife is your partner, not your unpaid slave who should serve you. If a man doesn’t like to wash dishes and has the right not to do it, then he should keep in mind that his wife has the same right, so it means both should do it as a sign of respect for the partner.

          • FreetheME1

            Looks like someone wife’s got him by the balls, Was your wife standing over
            your head while you were typing. I know a lot of educated European woman who run to
            Muslim men.

            Actually one of the most influential woman of this era ran to a Muslim man, Remember
            lady Diana, (RIP) She ran to Dodi Al Fayed. He must of been doing something right.

          • Hannibal

            yeah he did something right… He died.

          • FreetheME1

            Why Hannibal, because he was Muslim. I bet if he was Christian you would have worshipped him for being with Lady Diana (RIP). (RACIST)

          • Hannibal

            No because he bought people with his money… I do not like the rich. Any problem with that too? Oh yes I am racist because I am anti-rich.

          • MeYosemite

            As you noticed the threat above, it is not easy for muslim women to cross the line. Most of that statistic is determined buy their cultural settings. Meaning it is commonly accepted for a European to date anyone without having muftis or popes excommunicate them. Even if the husband of the lady is prince. The worst of all it is that individual are still willing to brake the taboos and fight for the right to defend their personal freedom, but these religious leaders go after their families and abuse the family for shame. A recent story on this was an Aussie Muslim girl being sent to Lebanon for an arranged marriage, she run away seeking police and court order not to have her parents pursue her under the pressure of their shame for having a local boyfriend. Muslim women suffer a lot in the dating business.

          • Andrew

            No, I simply treat my wife as a person who has the same rights and responsibilities as me. This made me have a 18 years long marriage and I’m proud of that. Haven’t you noticed that those women who “run to Muslim men” tend to choose men who behave like European men? As for Diana, definitely, he must have done something right and among those things he done right, treating her according to European model must have been among them.

          • libnan1

            I have a question Andrew, I’m Christian and like it dogy style. Does that mean I don’t treat my wife as a person?

          • Hannibal

            Of course she is a person but from the name of the position it makes you a dog, doesn’t it?

          • Andrew

            where is the connection between sex preferences which a couple may have and what i was talking about? I’m talking about the fact that many (not all) Muslim women should have father approval to continue education especially if she wants to study abroad or should have husband’s approval to continue to have a job after she gets married. I mean the fact that many Muslim women are seen just as housekeepers and mothers (which is not bad to be) but their other capabilities are totally ignored and only these roles are emphasized and i can go on here long and get examples from countries such as Saudi Arabia. So, where is the connection to sex here????

          • master09

            She did not see Islam and he did not see Christianity, they happen to see humans.
            Sorry that some people see humans by the God they pray to.Lol.

          • IraniAngel

            nevertheless, the european women still do most of the housework.

          • Andrew

            Dear IraniAngel decide! Above you said European women don’t cook and now you say they do housework. Are you somehow afraid that your boyfriend would prefer an European women? Is that the reason you dis-consider European women?

          • IraniAngel

            how do the fact that european women do most of the housework contradict the fact that they cant cook?

            for instance they are able to vacuum the house and do it more often than their husbands. however they tend to not being able to cook, why the pick up some fast food on a daily basis… see, the two things are not mutually exclusive after all. think mr andrew! think! its not against the law

          • Andrew

            Probably some of them tend to cook less because they come back from work late in evening or because they afford to eat out in some restaurant. What about those Arab women who stay home the entire day chit-chatting with some friends and in evening buy food from a close restaurant. Do you think they are better? But why do you think that just the woman should cook? I know many couples where men cook and enjoy doing that, while women are responsible with cleaning the house. By the way, it’s not against the law to be polite and have a reasonable conversation.

          • IraniAngel

            first, you shut up! then, i forgot to mention that a lot of european men marry women from the far east, because they wont marry european women who can only cook take away food and oh yeah: shut up!

          • Andrew

            waw! they don’t marry, they take housekeepers! taking a wife is different. It means to be able to treat her as equal, not according to a role that you think she must perform. Yes, my wife cooks now and then because we prefer to spend quality time together.

      • alisar smith

        Naughty comment, not very nice thing to say.

        • 5thDrawer

          We forget there are ladies here … on occasion … not often enough … 😉

      • libnan1

        From my experience, women love uncircumcised men ask me I know ….:)

        • Did you hear about the jewish doctor that saved all the foreskins that he snipped,,, when he retired he had them sewn into a wallet…. when you rub it it becomes a suitcase :)P

          • libnan1

            Very funny Geo ….:) Or it becomes a woman’s handbag…..

          • Hannibal

            or a hat for you…

          • Prophettttt

            geo,Good day&Good laugh.It’s been said that people who practice circumcision are the most optimistic people in the world;They take a chance and cut some off before they even know how big it will get. lol

        • Hannibal

          How so? it is 15% off?

      • Patience2

        Dreamer.

        • FreetheME1

          I take your a chest pounder as well not to mention something else you might be
          pounding.

    • IraniAngel

      having many kids has nothing to do religion, but it is rather a culturally conditioned behaviour. In Iran it was very normal to have 10 kids some generations ago. nowadays no one can finansially afford 10 kids.

      • 5thDrawer

        Not entirely true Irani … a young (attractive) female friend in Tripoli was approached by a fisherman/boat owner with a huge smile … and a few of us witnessed this conversation.
        ‘Are you married?’
        ‘No’.
        ‘Are you Muslim?’
        ‘No’. (like he couldn’t tell with a pile of hair flowing freely in the wind and western-style clothes 😉
        ‘Oh’. (moment of thought – then back to a silly smile) ‘That’s ok, you can become one. I would like to marry you.’
        ‘WHAT ?? Hahahahaha’
        (The friends now gather around – ask what the hell he wants and why he’s bothering her … and amazingly, and I must say politely, he explains …)
        ‘No trouble please … but I need a second wife. My first wife has had 10 kids … can’t have any more. I need a second wife. I can take care of her. She will eat well. I fish. I buy all her clothes … She can make 10 more for me.’
        (small incredulous crowd almost afraid to laugh too loud … but the female friend does … and then VERY firmly says …)
        ‘Are you CRAZY ?? NO! This will NEVER happen. Forget it!’ (turns her back and walks)
        We say, ‘You gave it a good shot man … but there you go.’ (tone of sympathy-short)
        Laugh our heads off after … but she was happy to be with the group.
        We were happy she was too.

        • Hannibal

          Tripoli is kind of small as far as the Christian community. My wife grew up there. Her parents live there still… We may end up being relatives. Oh God where is the scotch? 😉

          • 5thDrawer

            Hiccup …. 😉

      • Prophettttt

        IranAngel,I happened to agree with you that having many kids has nothing to do with religion. It’s a cultural,educational,and economical issue.
        Good example;People in south Lebanon, Christians and Muslims alike, had similar economical conditions,and less educated people.The majority of people worked in farming and planting Tobacco,and tending to olive trees and other orchards. Farmers always had more kids to help out in the fields. If any one had the misfortune to work in tobacco plantation, which is a very demanding, torturous, and miserable long process, will know what I’m talking about.
        Christians families in south Lebanon have as many kids as Muslims families. Growing up very close to christian families in few Christians villages, my family had many friends in those villages. We were so close that we know the majority of the people of those villages,and I can tell you for sure,at lease during the time I was there, there were many families who 10 or more,and very few families had less than 5 kids.

        I went to school with many christian kids who traveled to our town to attend high school, and just about every kids I knew had many siblings. I’ve been to many weddings and social gatherings in those villages,and I can tell you that their homes were as crowded as our homes. lol

        • Moe28

          True, Both Great grandmothers of mine gave birth to 12 and 14 children each nowadays I don’t see anyone with more then 4 kids Max!! And i have a huge family.

          • Prophettttt

            Moe28,Come to Brooklyn,N.Y. where the orthodox Jews community lives,and you will see families of 10 or more. Also Mexican(who are not Muslims,read Hannibal!!) tend to have many kids.

            African Americans,Muslims and Christians alike, tend to have more kids than whites.

            Amish and Mormons communities,both are christian, have many kids as well.

          • FreetheME1

            Good point Prophet. Still wont make a difference though, Ignorant racist Hannibal
            will still come up with some reason to criticise Muslims. .

          • Prophettttt

            Free, You can either ignore, or respond with Facts,and even then, you’ll likely be met with denial or prejudice.

            Racism and ignorant are fact of life,and there is not much you can do about them, except to wish that closed minds came with closed mouths .lol

          • Hannibal

            How am I a racist if I criticize a religion? I criticize all religions except for Baha’ism, Sufism (Islamic) and Buddhism. When I say that Constantin used Christianity to unify his kingdom was wrong, am I a racist? When I criticize the catholics for the inquisition am I a racist? Yes if I were to criticize the Arabs like IraniAngel then I am a racist. You may say I am an anti-Islam although it is not true I can accept that. But that does not make me a racist. Your religion needs a rehab and you know it. I am not talking about the few lunatics because we have those in any religion. I am talking about societal issues that Islam is not getting over and NOT the spiritual message of Islam. So stop your bullshit and listen to the real message.

          • IraniAngel

            buddhism is not quite a religion, but rather a philosophy, because in order to be characterized as an religion a god or gods are required. buddhism has no god and buddha is just what muhammad is to musilms, namely some kind of messenger or prophet if you will. but there is no god involved whatsoever

          • 5thDrawer

            Correct. And much better for it.

          • Patience2

            Buddha, himself, once said … do not worship me, just try to be like me. Well, you see how far that got.

          • IraniAngel

            Everybody in the world should stop having loads of kids. i mean, the world population has reached to 7 billion already… mother nature cant provide for all of us.

          • Moe28

            13th ave? or Ocean Pkwy? I have seen them 🙂

        • FreetheME1

          Another reason why they had many kids is because Village people are much better
          lovers than city folk. lol

          • Prophettttt

            No, Free, they had less entertainment. LOL
            Also, because it is a colder environment with no central heating, Body heat works well.
            Jim Caryey’s famous line ,when asked if He liked women;He said “Yes,when I’m cold or when I’m hot”.lol

          • 5thDrawer

            So prophet … now we know why there’s no electricity !!!
            Maybe if there was electricity for lights and TV, the birthrate would go down …

          • Prophettttt

            Yes, Early sunset,long boring evenings,no electricity,no heat, no TV,no internet, little money to keep the fire place running,and no entertainment ;people hit the bed early and use body heat to keep each warm, and end up doing PUNTA PUNTA dance under the covers.lol

        • IraniAngel

          exactly.. my grandies had 10 kids – 8 girls and 2 boys – my parents had only 2 kids. im gonna have one at top… seriously i cant stand noisy babies

  • Beiruti

    Biggest hypocrite in the world right over here, there’s civil marriage in Turkey, a country that’s 99.9% Sunni, are those 99.9 also outside the religion of Islam? It must bother you that fear that one day one of your kids may marry a Shi’ite, Maronite, Druze, and there won’t be one damn thing you can do about it!

    • IraniAngel

      shias and sunnis can freely marry .. i am a shia and many of my family members have married sunnis

      • 5thDrawer

        But as we see Irani, not everyone thinks the same. The problem is when some want to make everyone think like them. Key-word being ‘make’.

        • IraniAngel

          well, i am pretty sure that sayyed hassan NASRallah is thinking the same, but yet you call him NASTYrallah. He dont want to ‘make’ others think like him but to fight the israhelli agression

          • 5thDrawer

            His ‘philosophy’ began with an Ayatolla. I think it ended there too.

  • Beiruti

    Biggest hypocrite in the world right over here, there’s civil marriage in Turkey, a country that’s 99.9% Sunni, are those 99.9 also outside the religion of Islam? It must bother you that fear that one day one of your kids may marry a Shi’ite, Maronite, Druze, and there won’t be one damn thing you can do about it!

    • IraniAngel

      shias and sunnis can freely marry .. i am a shia and many of my family members have married sunnis

      • 5thDrawer

        But as we see Irani, not everyone thinks the same. The problem is when some want to make everyone think like them. Key-word being ‘make’.

        • IraniAngel

          well, i am pretty sure that sayyed hassan NASRallah is thinking the same, but yet you call him NASTYrallah. He dont want to ‘make’ others think like him but to fight the israhelli agression

          • 5thDrawer

            His ‘philosophy’ began with an Ayatolla. I think it ended there too.

  • Hannibal

    Good… We are Christians so you have no jurisdiction over us. Now the idea of a federation is a viable one.

    • MeYosemite

      The problem is he controls mikati and the rest.

  • Hannibal

    Good… We are Christians so you have no jurisdiction over us. Now the idea of a federation is a viable one.

    • MeYosemite

      The problem is he controls mikati and the rest.

  • joey

    mufti said a civil marriage is a bacteria if we can compare between you both you are the biggest bacteria crawling on earth its worrying you because no one will come and pay for your stupid advice no more

  • joey

    mufti said a civil marriage is a bacteria if we can compare between you both you are the biggest bacteria crawling on earth its worrying you because no one will come and pay for your stupid advice no more

  • MeYosemite

    I think these religious leaders are worried losing their commissions and favors to be collected from their jobs as service providers. Also we know why mikati freaked out and brushed the decision away; he got scared for his skin. I think he should resign just on this issue alone.

  • MeYosemite

    I think these religious leaders are worried losing their commissions and favors to be collected from their jobs as service providers. Also we know why mikati freaked out and brushed the decision away; he got scared for his skin. I think he should resign just on this issue alone.

  • Prophettttt

    If civil marriage is ever allowed in Lebanon, it will be the beginning of end for official sectarianism.The day Lebanese don’t have to put their sect on his ID card, is the day we start looking at each others as brothers in humanity,and partners in our nationality.
    Religious leaders know that civil marriage would diminish their authority on their followers and on political leaders,and eventually it will end their control.
    The Mufti is spearheading this fight,and I expect leaders of other religions and sects to follow his suit soon,and voice their opposition to Civil Marriage.They will find a way to unite, despite all their differences, and form a strong front to fight civil marriage.
    The mufti’s strong opposition to civil marriage,and his vicious threat to Muslim leaders who support civil marriage is a good indication as to how much fear He and other religious leaders have .
    His threat to deny them the right to a proper Muslim burial is very serious violation of Muslim laws ,not to mention human and civil rights violations.
    The mufti has overreached his authority. No Muslim – Mufti or not- has the right to deny other Muslims’ rights to a proper Muslim burial.No Mufti has the right to judge who is a Muslim and who is not.
    A Muslim’s right to a proper burial ritual does not depend on whether this person is/was a “Good Muslim” or not, because Religious leaders are not supposed to play God on earth. The job of these religious leaders is to guide,and teach only.
    I wonder if the Mufti will issue Fatwas denouncing all Muslims who party the nights away at Beirut’s nights clubs,and deny them the rights to a Proper Burial too.
    Are we about to start receiving Fatwas on every social and civil issue in our lives?Where does that take us? “Saudi Arabia”, Taliban, Jabhat Al nassra law,Tehran, Or Emarete Alepo? God Forbid.
    Funny how a leader who supports civil marriage is considered a “bad muslim” and a “Murtad”,by the Mufti, but If this same Muslim political leader is corrupt and an thieve, then He is not considered a “bad Muslim”.

    • 5thDrawer

      Seems civility is leading, Prophettt – at least on this one. 😉

  • Prophettttt

    If civil marriage is ever allowed in Lebanon, it will be the beginning of end for official sectarianism.The day Lebanese don’t have to put his sect on his ID card, is the day we start looking at each others as brothers in humanity,and partners in our nationality.
    Religious leaders know that civil marriage would diminish their authority on their followers and on political leaders,and eventually it will end their control.
    The Mufti is spearheading this fight,and I expect leaders of other sects to follow his suit soon.
    It won’t be long before the Patriarchs,other Muslim Muftis and leaders, and Bishops voice their opposition to Civil Marriage.They will find a way to unite, despite all their differences, and form a strong front to oppose civil marriage.
    The mufti’s strong opposition to civil marriage,and his vicious threat to Muslim leaders who support civil marriage is a good indication as to how much fear He and other religious leaders have .
    His threat to deny them the right to a proper Muslim burial is very serious violation of Muslim laws ,not to mention human and civil rights violations.
    The mufti has overreached his authority. No Muslim – Mufti or not- has the right to deny other Muslims’ rights to a proper Muslim burial.No Mufti has the right to judge who is a Muslim and who is not.
    A Muslim’s right to a proper burial ritual does not depend on whether this person is/was a “Good Muslim” or not, because Religious leaders are not supposed to play God on earth. The job of these religious leaders is to guide,and teach only.
    I wonder is the Mufti will issue a Fatwa denouncing all Muslims who party the nights away at Beirut’s nights clubs,and deny them the rights to a Proper Burial too.
    Are we about to start receiving Fatwas on every social and civil issue in our lives?Where does that take us? “Saudi Arabia”, Taliban, Jabhat Al nassra law,Tehran, Or Emarete Alepo? God Forbid.

    • 5thDrawer

      Seems civility is leading, Prophettt – at least on this one. 😉

  • alisar smith

    Religious figures who object to civil marriage are after money and power and they want to control people.
    No one has the right to tell people what to do and what not to do when it comes to love and marriage.
    They don’t own us, it’s a human beings right.

  • alisar smith

    Religious figures who object to civil marriage are after money and power and they want to control people.
    No one has the right to tell people what to do and what not to do when it comes to love and marriage.
    They don’t own us, it’s a human beings right.

  • Why some much hate … religion after all is about embracing, loving god and one another unconditionally. If they only practice what they preach the world would be a much better place.

    • Hannibal

      Exactly!!!

  • Why some much hate … religion after all is about embracing, loving god and one another unconditionally. If they only practice what they preach the world would be a much better place.

    • Hannibal

      Exactly!!!

  • Constantin7

    I am happy that the Mufti is completely against Civil Marriage and I am happier for the consequences he is giving for those muslims who will be part of a government which will allow civil marriage. Let the Mufti himself reveal the backwardness of his own religion, like the muslim brotherhoods in Egypt are doing, let them reveal themselves finally. A modern educated muslim person is going to feel very bad or in conflict between his reason and his mufti who issued a fatwa that he has to abide with or else…..
    The day these muftis loose political power and are ignored by the muslim population is the day where the civil society will start in Lebanon. I hope that the parliament will pass a law to legalize civil marriage, I believe that all Christians and Druze will back it, and I am hoping some muslims will also back it….
    To the muslims in general and the sunnis in particular I say : Please listen to reason and do not be intimidated by human beings who claim to have “spiritual” power over your lifes. No mufti, no one on this earth can affect your relationship with your creator, this relationship depends upon your deeds and your actions and intentions towards your fellow human beings in this world, and what better than love between 2 people can get you closer to God ? LOVE is the core value to take us to the good and the ultimate good which is GOD, and this limited man does not want this love to happen, because his religion does not allow this love to happen. How can a religion know the way to GOD (the ultimate LOVE) if it denies love between 2 human beings, just because one of them (mainly the man) does not believe in Muhammad (another man) ? The problem is that in Islam GOD is not LOVE, exactly the opposite than in Christianity, where GOD is LOVE. This is the main difference between Islam and Christianity: LOVE.
    Your time my mufti is coming to an end because Islam is coming to an end, period. Please mufti Kabbani keep on objecting and talking and issuing your fatawa……keep revealing yourself and your religion….and let the muslims hear and see….and will they still believe the unbelievable ?

    • FreetheME1

      You must be kidding me Constantin, Islam is coming to an end. What the hell are you talking about, Islam is the most growing religion in the world. I know this is something you wish will happen,
      However dreamers will be dreamers. My suggestion is its time for you get you head out of the sand.

      • Hannibal

        You see how small you think? Read his message and argue about it’s philosophy not about which religion is expanding or not. There are tons of stories about the masses being wrong. Islam is one of them… Nazism is another… medieval Christianity and galileo? Early Christianity and the burning of the Alexandria Library… The Crusades? and so on… Read the message. It is a message of Love NOT hatred and rigidity and backwardness. Just because you were born into Islam does not make it the right religion. God gave you a brain… use it.

        • FreetheME1

          How small I think, You are one to talk. I am not the one who criticises ones religion because of a few crazed lunatics. As soon as someone praises the Islamic religion, you go on the offensive. Like I said before Hannibal, You are a racist. However I don’t blame you for being that way as it is fact you who thinks small. As for you claiming in the past that you have Islamic friends, A claim I highly doubt.

          • Constantin7

            Racism was created by the jews and adpoted by Islam. When muslims divide people between Muslim and 2nd class non-muslims because Islam “yaalou wa la yuula aalayhi”, this is racism, when muslims call the jews and christians as the descedents of monkey and pigs, this is racism. In Christian modern societies racism is punishable by law, in muslim societies it is encouraged and practiced by law enforcement people. Look at Egypt, for example, how many copts were killed, agressed and their houses burnt, never ever one muslim was found guilty for wrong doing, this is racism ! Why because in Islam the blood of a Christian and his property is HALAL to a muslim (by decree from GOD !!!!), this is the ultimate agressive RACISM that christians in the Middle East and in Islamic countries suffer of at different degrees at different times of history. Finally, if you see a racist Christian in the Middle East, please know that he is the product of the environment he lives in.

          • Prophettttt

            Constantine7, The origin of racism and the origin of human race are one and the same.
            I beg to disagree with your theory of racism all together. I’ll address the Jewish factor in your theory,and if we can resolve that, there will be no need to address the Muslim factor. lol
            If one is to examine your theory, my friend; The conclusion is that racism as a human behavior descended on humans only when the Jewish faith descended to earth.There is no way you can say that, and there is no way one can believe that Judaism, as a faith, brought hatred and racism to the human race.
            The Jewish faith is about 4000 years old, and the human race is much older than 4000 years. According to your theory, humans didn’t know, nor did they feel hatred and prejudice prior to the last 4000 years of human history. Do you really believe that?
            I can understand that Jews want us to believe that Judaism is an ethnic group instead of a religion,and I could see how this complicated things a bit.
            Humans by nature maintain certain balance in their behavior such as right and wrong, kind and cruel, and good and evil. The negative side of this balance is what leads humans to hate instead of love and therefore creates another theory that humans hate by nature. You’d agree that human nature is a set of natural characteristics which includes, among others, feelings, thinking, greed, and selfishness. These characteristics can be influenced by culture or tradition, or both, but tradition and culture are not the source of these natural characteristics, but surly, they influence and shape the way people think and feel, and then the human behavior become a “norm”, or a way of life.
            Ignorance is a very important human characteristic, and it is as old as our humanity. Throughout human history feeling of superiority, slavery, and classes have existed, SO HAVE RACISM.
            Racism exists in all nations, and among people of different faiths. American racism is a good example, and it existed before Jews or Muslims moved to America. Another example of Racism minus Jews and Muslims,, South Africa. I can go on and on, but I think you get my point.

          • Hannibal

            But answer the question: In Islam… and since religion is the state wouldn’t Islam be a racist religion treating non-muslims as dhumma?

          • Prophettttt

            As far as I know, they are called Ahel Alkitab ,people of the book. This term is used to describe people who believe in the same God and the books sent by God before the Quran(the bible and the Torah). Ahel Aldhuma is not a proper term and only used by non educated ,and non informed people. As bad as it sounds, in proper Arabic it is not even an insulting term either,but they way it ‘used, it is made to sound bad,but still not the proper term to describe Christians.
            You’ve made this claim so often that Muslims call non Muslims Ahl aldhuma,and I avoided engaging you because I never thought you wanted to debate the issue, but rather you use this term as a sound bite to make a point that Islam is a racist religion Your comments and description of Islam, and Muslims have gone beyond racism at times ,and I NEVER THOUGHT It was worth responding to ,because not only useless, but nonproductive because of your obvious intentions. lol
            I’m not an expert on this subject, but I can say with enough confidence that there is a lot of difference between Racism, and inequality of treatment. My views are well known that I oppose any religion state ,including a Muslim state based on shariaa. That being said, the treatment of non Christians may not be equal as far as requiring them to pay certain type of taxes(Jizzia) , but definitely it is not racism.There is no hatred toward Christians because of their Christianity.True Islam ,and true Muslims view and respect all humans as equal human beings.All humans are born equal.
            In many societies, men and women are not treated equal ,but that does not make it racism.In the states. women still get paid less than men for doing same work;that is inequality,but not racism. There’re many cases where certain groups of a society are not treated equal in every aspect . These are cases of inequality, and some times discrimination,but not racism. I don’t think that Islamic rules under shariia rules (in a Muslim State) fall into these categories. If you are basing your comment on the “Saudi” Kingdom’s form of Islamic state, than you are right, they treat other Muslims who follow different school of thought(Sunnis and shiia) as bad as non Muslims.Anything that the Saudis(Wahabi,and Salafi) believe and preach is not true Islam. Mohammad ibn abdul wahab ,the founder of that school was discredited by his father and brother,who both were clergymen.
            The other Muslim state in our time is Iran ,and I have no idea if the non Muslims are required to pay extra taxes(jizzia). Maybe some one can give us some qualified input on this.
            Racism is a form of hate, prejudice and/ or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior. Neither Islam nor Christianity is a race. So racism does not qualify to describe anything they differ on.
            As for Judaism, Jews complicated this issue when they decided that Jews are an ethnic group(superior group!!!!), instead of religion, and now you’d have to distinguish the fine line between racism and antisemitism. lol
            Some Jews believe that Jews are superior humans, and the rest of humanity are there to serve them. Again, this is a totally different subject,and requires pages of comments,of which I have no desire to get into.

          • Constantin7

            Sorry Prophettt, I cannot keep up with your comments. I read all of them (that is your replies on my postings and not ALL the rest), but don’t have all the time the time to reply….how do you do it man to reply to all e-mails ? I have to admit I am very busy too…(work almost 7 days a week)….but always appreciate your contributions … 🙂

          • Prophettttt

            Contantine7, I understand life can keep us busy,and it’s hard to reply to every comment . It is not possible to reply through email without linking to original comment and story. However, you can sign into your profile,then dashboard,and from there you can reply to comments without having to link to story .You can also choose to follow any commentator you wish by viewing his/her profile/activity.
            It’s always good to have you on this site,even though we seem to disagree often,lol

          • Hannibal

            VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!! I applaude you. Sadly, they do not see it… ahel dhumma they say… I wonder if we call a moslem ahel dhuma how he’d feel. But it is OK they need another century or two to mature.

      • 5thDrawer

        I agree … it will be a long time before we get rid of all the ‘God-Business’ … sigh … took 1.5 million years to build it up.

    • IraniAngel

      yes the difference between islam and christianity is love. through history christians have proven that they L O V E <3333333333333333333333 killing innocent people… have a free piece of advise constantin. just because you are a christian doesnt mean you can feel save. sooner or later they will come after you too. but no worries Hibz will protect you from the american and western crusades

      • iran angel with 1 white wing and one black one lol, sober up and rethink your comment bro, focus on early christian history and teachings of christianity and you will see that your comment is incacurate.
        jesus stated loud and clear that many will come on the basis of his name and mislead many, true many people profess to be christians by lable but behaved badly and short of the bar he set. none will escape judgment! worse examples are many but not all moslems that have more blood and grotesque killings of fellow moslems in iraq, syria or anywhere they profess to be judge and executioner as afeel good religion.

        killing under any religion is not acceptable if you truly believe a god exists that is just, powerful and able to take care of business without the help of weaklings.

        • IraniAngel

          thats okay, i have to admit that i like the different colors.

          that be said, i totally agree on everything you just said. i am very well aware that the bloody deeds of some christians in no way represent christianity, just as the bloody deeds of some crazy falefelists and mad mullahs in no way represent islam either. But among many others on yalibnan constantin is not able to distinguish between the two things so what i said to constantin was just an attempt to be provocative.

      • Constantin7

        I never said Christians do not kill, in fact some of the biggest killers in history were christians (Hitler, Napoleon, the crusaders, etc…). As far as being SAFE! I am and feel very SAFE in Christ, only the ones who do wrong or follow the wrong path do not feel safe. I have lots of peace in my heart and mind and wish all human beings peace and love, however, I will not stop pushing back and reveal the truth of those who have been trying for 1,400 years to supress me, suppress my freedom, suppress my intellect, and kick me out of my region. The Middle East was Christian before turning to Islam (by force). In Lebanon, it is our mountains and the Church in those mountains that preserved the christians. The fertile Crescent, Egypt and Sudan without the christians would lose their identities. The word Egypt came from the word Copt, the word Syria came from Assyrians (who are now a small christian minority in Syria, Lebanon and Irak) , the word Quds came from Quiddis (holy christian person in Arabic). The Middle East without the Christians would be a VERY VERY sad place, actually we are the light of the MIddle East. Look at Lebanon, this small country, and so big in culture and in his contributions to the whole Arab world. There is not one Arab person who does not love Lebanon and want to come to Lebanon, why ? Who is right can never feel afraid or unsafe, only the one who is wrong feels afraid and unsafe.

        • IraniAngel

          and before being christians the egyptians, sudanese, lebanese, syrians, iraniAngels worshipped stone, donkey asses, cows, rats and so on until they were turned to christianity BY FORCE. No difference at all.

          • Constantin7

            Obviously IraniAngel you know nothing of chirstianity. FYI, Christianity in the Middle East, North Africa and Europe was spread by the word of mouth, and not by the sword like Islam. Christianity started with the 12 disciples of Jesus Christ who travelled and taught the world the Good Word of the Bible.

          • FreetheME1

            Which Bible Constantin the new testament or the old one. The bible you believe in
            was written by drunk priest. Prove to me otherwise please

          • IraniAngel

            No, obviously i know much more about your religion than you do.
            you call yourself constantin, but you seem to have no clue who this constantin really was, do you? thats kind of cheap…

            under the rule of constantin the roman empire changed the state religion from, i dont ass-worshipping to christianity by force, once he realized that the christians were growing more and more powerful so constantin’s spiritual rebirth was eclusively a political and strategic move.

            the people of the roman empire didnt welcome the new religion, so constantin had to create a whole new religion which looked like the native one and that religion is your current religion but thats a different story.

          • disqus_e68VGiBKGC

            no only iraniAngels worshipped stone,donkey asses and they still do by looking at yourself you can see what i mean

          • IraniAngel

            we are in the middle of a serious conversation, please stay out of it

        • Prophettttt

          Constantine7, I’m afraid I have to correct you. Your statement “The word Egypt came from the word Copt” is NOT accurate. It’s more accurate to say that the term “Copt” came from the word “Egypt”.
          Egypt was called as such thousands of years before Christianity.It is believed to be a Semitic name,but the the Greeks were the ones that translate it into the term we know as Egypt.
          The origin of “Coptic”, the word which used to refer to the Christians of Egypt is derived from the word Copti. The Arabs who invaded Egypt , like the Greeks, had problems pronouncing the term, Aegypti, which means “Egyptian citizen”.They changed the word to Copti or Gyptios ,being easier to pronounce. Egypt was mostly christian nation at that time,and the term Copti was limited to the native people -who were mostly christian- as the country became more and more Muslim. So Copti was the name the Greeks used for native Christian Egyptian (Aegypti/Copti).

          • Constantin7

            You’re probably right Prophettt…Thank you for the clarification !

  • Constantin7

    I am happy that the Mufti is completely against Civil Marriage and I am happier for the consequences he is giving for those muslims who will be part of a government which will allow civil marriage. Let the Mufti himself reveal the backwardness of his own religion, like the muslim brotherhoods in Egypt are doing, let them reveal themselves finally. A modern educated muslim person is going to feel very bad or in conflict between his reason and his mufti who issued a fatwa that he has to abide with or else…..
    The day these muftis loose political power and are ignored by the muslim population is the day where the civil society will start in Lebanon. I hope that the parliament will pass a law to legalize civil marriage, I believe that all Christians and Druze will back it, and I am hoping some muslims will also back it….
    To the muslims in general and the sunnis in particular I say : Please listen to reason and do not be intimidated by human beings who claim to have “spiritual” power over your lifes. No mufti, no one on this earth can affect your relationship with your creator, this relationship depends upon your deeds and your actions and intentions towards your fellow human beings in this world, and what better than love between 2 people can get you closer to God ? LOVE is the core value to take us to the good and the ultimate good which is GOD, and this limited man does not want this love to happen, because his religion does not allow this love to happen. How can a religion know the way to GOD (the ultimate LOVE) if it denies love between 2 human beings, just because one of them (mainly the man) does not believe in Muhammad (another man) ? The problem is that in Islam GOD is not LOVE, exactly the opposite than in Christianity, where GOD is LOVE. This is the main difference between Islam and Christianity: LOVE.
    Your time my mufti is coming to an end because Islam is coming to an end, period. Please mufti Kabbani keep on objecting and talking and issuing your fatawa……keep revealing yourself and your religion….and let the muslims hear and see….and will they still believe the unbelievable ?

    • FreetheME1

      You must be kidding me Constantin, Islam is coming to an end. What the hell are you talking about, Islam is the most growing religion in the world. I know this is something you wish will happen,
      However dreamers will be dreamers. My suggestion is its time for you get you head out of the sand.

      • Hannibal

        You see how small you think? Read his message and argue about it’s philosophy not about which religion is expanding or not. There are tons of stories about the masses being wrong. Islam is one of them… Nazism is another… medieval Christianity and galileo? Early Christianity and the burning of the Alexandria Library… The Crusades? and so on… Read the message. It is a message of Love NOT hatred and rigidity and backwardness. Just because you were born into Islam does not make it the right religion. God gave you a brain… use it.

        • FreetheME1

          How small I think, You are one to talk. I am not the one who criticises ones religion because of a few crazed lunatics. As soon as someone praises the Islamic religion, you go on the offensive. Like I said before Hannibal, You are a racist. However I don’t blame you for being that way as it is fact you who thinks small. As for you claiming in the past that you have Islamic friends, A claim I highly doubt.

          • Constantin7

            Racism was created by the jews and adpoted by Islam. When muslims divide people between Muslim and 2nd class non-muslims because Islam “yaalou wa la yuula aalayhi”, this is racism, when muslims call the jews and christians as the descedents of monkey and pigs, this is racism. In Christian modern societies racism is punishable by law, in muslim societies it is encouraged and practiced by law enforcement people. Look at Egypt, for example, how many copts were killed, agressed and their houses burnt, never ever one muslim was found guilty for wrong doing, this is racism ! Why because in Islam the blood of a Christian and his property is HALAL to a muslim (by decree from GOD !!!!), this is the ultimate agressive RACISM that christians in the Middle East and in Islamic countries suffer of at different degrees at different times of history. Finally, if you see a racist Christian in the Middle East, please know that he is the product of the environment he lives in.

          • Prophettttt

            Constantine7, The origin of racism and the origin of human race are one in the same,therefore, I beg to disagree with your theory of racism all together.
            If you examine your theory, my friend; Racism as a human behavior, all of sudden, came to existence when the Jewish faith descended on humans. There is no way you can say that, and there is no way one can believe that Judaism, as a faith, brought hatred and racism to the human race.
            The Jewish faith is about 4000 years old, and the human race is much older than 4000 years. According to your theory, humans didn’t know, nor did they feel hatred and prejudice prior to the last 4000 years of human history. Do you really believe that?
            Humans by nature maintain certain balance in their behavior such as right and wrong, kind and cruel, and good and evil. The negative side of this balance is what leads humans to hate instead of love and therefore creates another theory that humans hate by nature. You’d agree that human nature is a set of natural characteristics which includes, among others, feelings, thinking, greed, and selfishness. These characteristics can be influenced by culture or tradition, or both, but tradition and culture are not the source of these natural characteristics, but surly, they influence and shape the way people think and feel, and then the human behavior become a “norm”, or a way of life.
            Ignorance is a very important human characteristic, and it is as old as our humanity. Throughout human history feeling of superiority, slavery, and classes have existed, SO HAVE RACISM.
            Racism exists in all nations, and among people of different faiths. American racism is a good example, and it existed before Jews or Muslims moved to America. Another example of Racism minus Jews and Muslims,, South Africa. I can go on and on, but I think you get my point.

          • Hannibal

            But answer the question: In Islam… and since religion is the state wouldn’t Islam be a racist religion treating non-muslims as dhumma?

          • Prophettttt

            As far as I know, they are called Ahel Alkitab ,people of the book. This term is used to describe people who believe in the same God ,and believe in the books sent by God before the Quran(the bible and the Torah). Ahel Aldhuma is not a proper term and only used by non educated ,and non informed people. You’ve made this claim so often that Muslims call non Muslims Ahl adhuma,and I avoided engaging you because I never thought you wanted to debate the issue, but rather use this term as a sound bite to make a point that Islam is a racist religion .Your comments and description of Islam, and Muslims have gone beyond racism at times ,and I NEVER THOUGHT It was worth responding to ,because not only useless, but counterproductive because of your obvious intentions.lol
            I’m not an expert on this subject, but I can say with enough confidence that there is a lot of difference between Racism, and inequality of treatment. My views are well known that I oppose any religion state ,including a Muslim state based on shariaa. That being said, the treatment of non Christians may not be equal as far as requiring them to pay certain type of taxes(Jizzia) , but definitely it is not racism.
            In many societies, men and women are not treated equal ,but that does not make it racism .There many cases whereby certain groups of a society are not treated equal in every aspect . These are cases of inequality, and some times discrimination. I’m not sure that Islamic rules under shariia rules (in a Muslim State) fall into these categories. If you are basing your comment on the “Saudi” Kingdom form of Islamic state, than you are right, they treat other Muslims who follow different school of thought(Sunnis and shiia) as bad as non Muslims.
            The other Muslim state in our time is Iran ,and I have no idea if the no Muslims are required to pay extra taxes(jizzia). Maybe some one can give us some qualified input on this.
            Racism is a form of hate, prejudice and/ or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior. Neither Islam nor Christianity is a race. So racism does not qualify to describe anything they differ on.
            As for Judaism, Jews complicated this issue when they decided that Jews are an ethnic group(superior group!!!!), instead of religion, and now you’d have to distinguish the fine line between racism and antisematism.lol.
            Some Jews believe that Jews are superior humans, and the rest of humanity are there to serve them. Again, this is a totally different subject,and requiers pages of comments,of which I have no desire to get into.

          • Constantin7

            Sorry Prophettt, I cannot keep up with your comments. I read all of them (that is your replies on my postings and not ALL the rest), but don’t have all the time the time to reply….how do you do it man to reply to all e-mails ? I have to admit I am very busy too…(work almost 7 days a week)….but always appreciate your contributions … 🙂

          • Prophettttt

            Contantine7, I understand life can keep us busy,and it’s hard to reply to every comment. It is not possible to reply through email without linking to original comment. However,you can sign into your profile,then dashboard,and from there you can reply to comments without having to n link to story .You can also choose to follow any commentator you wish by viewing his/her profile.
            It’s always good to have you on this site,even though we seem to disagree often,lol

          • Hannibal

            VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!! I applaude you. Sadly, they do not see it… ahel dhumma they say… I wonder if we call a moslem ahel dhuma how he’d feel. But it is OK they need another century or two to mature.

      • 5thDrawer

        I agree … it will be a long time before we get rid of all the ‘God-Business’ … sigh … took 1.5 million years to build it up.

    • IraniAngel

      yes the difference between islam and christianity is love. christians have proven through history that they L O V E <3333333333333333333333 killing innocent people… have a free piece of advise constantin. just because you are a christian doesnt mean you can feel save. sooner or later they will come after you too. but no worries Hibz will protect you from the american and western crusades

      • iran angel with 1 white wing and one black one lol, sober up and rethink your comment bro, focus on early christian history and teachings of christianity and you will see that your comment is incacurate.
        jesus stated loud and clear that many will come on the basis of his name and mislead many, true many people profess to be christians by lable but behaved badly and short of the bar he set. none will escape judgment! worse examples are self some moslems that have more blood and grotesque killings of fellow moslems in iraq, syria. killing under any religion is not acceptable if you truly believe a god exists that is just, powerful and able to take car of business.

        • IraniAngel

          thats okay, i have to admit that i like the different colors.

          that be said, i totally agree on everything you just said. i am very well aware that the bloody deeds of some christians in no way represent christianity, just as the bloody deeds of some crazy falefelists and mad mullahs in no way represent islam either. But among many others on yalibnan constantin is not able to differ between the two things so what i said to constantin was just an attempt to be provocative.

      • Constantin7

        I never said Christians do not kill, in fact some of the biggest killers in history were christians (Hitler, Napoleon, the crusaders, etc…). As far as being SAFE! I am and feel very SAFE in Christ, only the ones who do wrong or follow the wrong path do not feel safe. I have lots of peace in my heart and mind and wish all human beings peace and love, however, I will not stop pushing back and reveal the truth of those who have been trying for 1,400 years to supress me, suppress my freedom, suppress my intellect, and kick me out of my region. The Middle East was Christian before turning to Islam (by force). In Lebanon, it is our mountains and the Church in those mountains that preserved the christians. The fertile Crescent, Egypt and Sudan without the christians would lose their identities. The word Egypt came from the word Copt, the word Syria came from Assyrians (who are now a small christian minority in Syria, Lebanon and Irak) , the word Quds came from Quiddis (holy christian person in Arabic). The Middle East without the Christians would be a VERY VERY sad place, actually we are the light of the MIddle East. Look at Lebanon, this small country, and so big in culture and in his contributions to the whole Arab world. There is not one Arab person who does not love Lebanon and want to come to Lebanon, why ? Who is right can never feel afraid or unsafe, only the one who is wrong feels afraid and unsafe.

        • IraniAngel

          and before being christians the egyptians, sudanese, lebanese, syrians, iraniAngels worshipped stone, donkey asses, cows, rats and so on until they were turned to christianity BY FORCE. No difference at all.

          • Constantin7

            Obviously IraniAngel you know nothing of chirstianity. FYI, Christianity in the Middle East, North Africa and Europe was spread by the word of mouth, and not by the sword like Islam. Christianity started with the 12 disciples of Jesus Christ who travelled and taught the world the Good Word of the Bible.

          • FreetheME1

            Which Bible Constantin the new testament or the old one. The bible you believe in
            was written by drunk priest. Prove to me otherwise please

          • IraniAngel

            No, obviously i know much more about your religion than you do.
            you call yourself constantin, but you seem to have no clue who this constantin really was, do you? thats kind of cheap…

            under the rule of constantin the roman empire changed the state religion from, i dont ass-worshipping to christianity by force, once he realized that the christians were growing more and more powerful so constantin’s spiritual rebirth was eclusively a political and strategic move.

            the people of the roman empire didnt welcome the new religion, so constantin had to create a whole new religion which looked like the native one and that religion is your current religion but thats a different story.

          • disqus_e68VGiBKGC

            no only iraniAngels worshipped stone,donkey asses and they still do by looking at yourself you can see what i mean

          • IraniAngel

            we are in the middle of a serious conversation, please stay out of it

        • Prophettttt

          Constantine7, I’m afraid I have to correct you. “The word Egypt came from the word Copt” is not accurate. It is actually the other way around. Egypt was called as such thousands of years before Christianity.It is believed to be a Semitic name,but the the Greeks were the ones that translate it into the term we know as Egypt.
          The origin of “Coptic”, the word which used to refer to the Christians of Egypt is derived from the word Copti. The Arabs who invaded Egypt , like the Greeks, had problems pronouncing the term, Aegypti, which means “Egyptian citizen”.They changed the word to Copti or Gyptios ,being easier to pronounce. Egypt was mostly christian nation at that time,and the term Copti was limited to the native people -who were mostly christian- as the country became more and more Muslim. So Copti was the name the Greeks used for native Christian Egyptian (Aegypti/Copti).

          • Constantin7

            You’re probably right Prophettt…Thank you for the clarification !

  • Hannibal

    What is that thing on your head? a saucer or a cook pan?

    • Patience2

      A holy ‘comb-over’.

  • Hannibal

    What is that thing on your head? a saucer or a cook pan?

    • Patience2

      A holy ‘comb-over’.

  • alisar smith

    Why doesn’t he run his own life and leaves the Lebanese people alone to decide for themselves.
    Who is he to issue orders and dictate.

    • Hannibal

      The Mufti is another Schmuck!

  • alisar smith

    Why doesn’t he run his own life and leaves the Lebanese people alone to decide for themselves.
    Who is he to issue orders and dictate.

    • Hannibal

      The Mufti is another Schmuck!