Patriarch Rai Didn’t endorse the Orthodox law , report

Maronite Patriarch Beshara al-Rai did not reportedly endorse the so called Orthodox Gathering proposed electoral law, or any other law according to a report by al-Mustaqbal newspaper published on Thursday.

A source close to the patriarch Rai told the daily: “ He had not endorsed any electoral law over another… he only voiced his objection to the 1960 electoral law .”

“The patriarch had facilitated dialogue at Bkirki for the Christian factions to reach an agreement over a new law where he simply encouraged their agreement over any draft law that appeases Christians and the Lebanese people,” he added.

“The patriarch did not endorse any particular law but encouraged them to come up with a law that achieves fair representation,” he said.

Even the Greek Orthodox lawmakers are not endorsing the Orthodox Gathering proposed electoral law..

Lebanon Deputy Speaker Farid Makari , who is Greek Orthodox told An-Nahar newspaper in remarks published on Wednesday that he disagrees with Speaker Nabih Berri’s announcement in which he pledged prior approval of the decision on the electoral law by the Christian leaders and their representatives who meet in Bkirki last Sunday.

“With all due respect they are not all the Christians and Berri and everyone knows that the majority of the Christians are independent and do not have anything to do with the four parties that met in Bkirki. ” Makari said

Makari criticized the draft electoral law of the so called “orthodox” gathering stressing that he rejects it as the deputy speaker and as a member of the parliament because such a law will tear apart the social fabric among the Lebanese in addition to being unconstitutional and illegal.

The subcommittee tasked with deciding on an electoral law acceptable to the majority of the Lebanese resumed its meetings on Tuesday with representatives from the rival March 8 and 14 camps .

Lebanon’s Cabinet approved last August a new electoral draft law that called for proportional representation and divided the country into 13 districts as follows: Beirut 2, south Lebanon 2, Bekaa 3, north Lebanon 3 , Mount Lebanon 3.

The new electoral law was approved by the majority of ministers, including the FPM ministers . However the ministers that representProgressive Socialist Party leader MP Walid Jumblatt’s bloc voted against it.

Even though the FPM ministers voted for the cabinet ‘s electoral law draft, FPM MPs Alain Aoun and Neemtallah Abi Nasr submitted another draft electoral law to the parliament . This is the so called “Greek Orthodox gathering proposal” which calls on each sect in Lebanon to vote only for its candidate in the elections based on one electoral district for the whole country .

March 14 Christian MPs Georges Adwan, Boutros Harb and Sami Gemayel submitted a draft electoral law based on 50 districts and winner take all majority to the Parliament’s General Secretariat last October

Jumblatt and his PSP MPs still favor the current 1960 winner take all electoral law.

Lebanon is set to hold new parliamentary elections around June 2013, but the country’s political circles are divided over the electoral law issue .

A Christian four-party panel on the electoral law agreed on Sunday to endorse the electoral law proposed by the so-called Orthodox Gathering, under which each sect would elect its own lawmakers, and all Lebanon will be one electoral district

The panel took its decision during a meeting held in Bkirki. The four-party panel comprises representatives from the Free Patriotic Movement, the Lebanese Forces, the Phalange Party and the Marada Movement.

The Orthodox law was alos criticized by President Michel Suleiman, Premier Najib Miqati, National Struggle Front leader Walid Jumblat and several other Christian MPs and officials.

  • nagy_michael2

    Oh He will if Raad paid him a visit soon with a check..

    • libnan1

      ….you are just a douche. This is best election law for Lebanon, enough of the misrepresentation we suffered.  

    • Prophettttt

      naggggy, This is such a cheap shot,you took, at the patriarch.Although I Think all religious leaders,including the patriarch, should not be involved in politics and their political statements should not matter, there is no reason for you to make such an insulting remark. I remember when  Patriarch Sfeir  took political positions that were inline with M14, some people here made similar insulting claims that Hariri was sending him checks at the end of every month.They were wrong then,and you are wrong now. 
      My opinion is that He should not endorse or oppose any election law.
      As for this law, It is a law that would make the country more sectarian,and it would make ghettos out of Lebanese communities and sects.
      Regardless of what we all think of this law or the other,Why is it that people tend to demonize anyone who has views that are different than theirs?Does that accomplish anything positive? I think not.The patriarch should not be immune from criticism,but insults and disrespect is not acceptable.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

         Oh please stop your righteous behavior! Nagy has every right to criticize who he wants. Btw how is what Nagy said insulting?? If the shoe fits then…..

      • nagy_michael2

        Well Prophettt did you complain when AL Manar Station interviewed sulemein Franjieh when Patriach Sfeir was not retired and Suleiman was calling Sfeir a womenizer and hurling all kind of insults at Patriach Sfeir? how many times Aoun and Franjieh attacked Sfeir then and even Aoun was in charge of the army and attacked the Patriachy then? did you complain or this jerk libnan01(Syrian#1) complained about it? Also how many times Raad and other terror members visited Rai and soon after he was supporting them? last time they visited him soon later he announced the 4 most wanted Hezbollah members by international court as innocent.. if they’re innocent, then give themselves up to prove it.. I mean we got the Monkey former general security Syed who keeps threatning since day one in power and every now and then lebanese politicians and yet he was freed because i am not sure why. I frankly don’t think he was innocent and neither he was freed along with 3 terrorists with no reasons guilty or innocent. Besides Rai I believe strongly he was so much anti-hezbollah and anti-syrians before he became patriach.. i do not care if these guys have political affliations. They keep it to themselves and I agree they should not be involved in politics and supporting either side.. Tell me please did you condemn Hezbollah, Aoun and Sulemein franjieh when they insulted patriach sfeir..
        the same question goes to libnan01.. who keeps shooting from his ass. that’s all he got and his master aoun.

        • Prophettttt

          Nagggggy,I never condone personal attacks on anyone,and especially on religious leaders, regardless of who does it, or what media outlet puts it out.Insults and foul language accomplishes nothing. You can criticize anyone you wish for their political stands or what have you,but insults should never be acceptable, because they make your argument weaker.Facts and logical analysis are what everyone ought to use in order to make or support an argument. Even if one disagrees with such an argument, One would still respect you and your argument ,regardless.
          It is not my duty to criticize every piece of news  publishes or aired at every media outlet out there. We’re discussing a comment published at this website, not Almanar or future TV. When you see me commenting at another site,and you see that I’m applying a double standard, then you have the right to complain. 
          I don’t mean to lecture on how you should conduct yourself by any means,and my apology  if it seemed so. You are free to do and say whatever you wish,but I feel that you are a smart guy,and you have the potential to make your argument without  resorting to such tactics. Don’t feel that you’ve been singled out , I have Said this often to all members of this blog,including some people you mentioned,but your shot at the Patriarch was really uncalled for. Maybe if you said it about a political figure,and you have done so often ,I would have ignored it as I always have.

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           You will never hear profit :P criticizing his beloved hezzies. 

      • nagy_michael2

        Prophettt all I said he was getting paid by Hezbollah. I really didn’t say something bad at him. In Lebanon whether its M8 or M14 many of the rich politician or groups have passed money in order for people to vote for them or change sides. As far as the religious leaders in Lebanon and all Middle East in General lost of these religious leaders involve themselves in politics. Therefore you want to get in the mudd, then you better get ready to get muddied.. simple as that.. Any religious person of his statue and on the muslims sides as well. They need to IMO think how they can help the poor and preach the words of God and wisdom. otherwise you don’t have a place in religion for you. I don’t see any words in the bible says anything about politics. with all due respects you have people in saudi arabia, Iran and many muslims countries the sheiks or mullahs deciding how you not live by the Koran but how you should live according to their rules. I mean who the hell are they to decide that? whether a woman should wear veil and not to drive and don’t go to school. even in some gulf countries the women are advised not to handle cucumbers and skinny eggplants cause it might give them excitment lol.
        well if their men stop marrying too many wives and don’t have time for them. then cucumbers are going to make them feel sensational. I am not really making fun but that goes in all religions and nothing against muslims please.. thank you and have a great night.

  • nagy_michael2

    Oh He will if Raad paid him a visit soon with a check..

    • libnan1

      ….you are just a douche. This is best election law for Lebanon, enough of the misrepresentation we suffered.  

    • Prophettttt

      naggggy, This is such a cheap shot,you took, at the patriarch.Although I Think The Patriarch and all religious leaders should not be involved in politics and their political statements should not matter, there is no reason for you to make such an insulting remark. I remember when  Patriarch Sfeir  took political positions that were inline with M14, some people here made similar insulting claims that Hariri was sending him checks at the end of every month.They were wrong then,and you are wrong now. 
      Why is it that people tend to demonize anyone who has views that are different than theirs?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

         Oh please stop your righteous behavior! Nagy has every right to criticize who he wants. Btw how is what Nagy said insulting?? If the shoe fits then…..

      • nagy_michael2

        Well Prophettt did you complain when AL Manar Station interviewed sulemein Franjieh when Patriach Sfeir was not retired and Suleiman was calling Sfeir a womenizer and hurling all kind of insults at Patriach Sfeir? how many times Aoun and Franjieh attacked Sfeir then and even Aoun was in charge of the army and attacked the Patriachy then? did you complain or this jerk libnan01(Syrian#1) complained about it? Also how many times Raad and other terror members visited Rai and soon after he was supporting them? last time they visited him soon later he announced the 4 most wanted Hezbollah members by international court as innocent.. if they’re innocent, then give themselves up to prove it.. I mean we got the Monkey former general security Syed who keeps threatning since day one in power and every now and then lebanese politicians and yet he was freed because i am not sure why. I frankly don’t think he was innocent and neither he was freed along with 3 terrorists with no reasons guilty or innocent. Besides Rai I believe strongly he was so much anti-hezbollah and anti-syrians before he became patriach.. i do not care if these guys have political affliations. They keep it to themselves and I agree they should not be involved in politics and supporting either side.. Tell me please did you condemn Hezbollah, Aoun and Sulemein franjieh when they insulted patriach sfeir..
        the same question goes to libnan01.. who keeps shooting from his ass. that’s all he got and his master aoun.

        • Prophettttt

          Nagggggy,I never condone personal attacks on anyone,and especially on religious leaders, regardless of who does it, or what media outlet puts it out.Insults and foul language accomplishes nothing. You can criticize anyone you wish for their political stands or what have you,but insults should never be acceptable, because they make your argument weaker.Facts and logical analysis are what everyone ought to use in order to make or support an argument. Even if one disagrees with such an argument, One would still respect you and your argument ,regardless.
          It is not my duty to criticize every piece of news  publishes or aired at every media outlet out there. We’re discussing a comment published at this website, not Almanar or future TV. When you see me commenting at another site,and you see that I’m applying a double standard, then you have the right to complain. 
          I don’t mean to lecture on how you should conduct yourself by any means,and my apology  if it seemed so. You are free to do and say whatever you wish,but I feel that you are a smart guy,and you have the potential to make your argument without  resorting to such tactics.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

           You will never hear profit :P criticizing his beloved hezzies. 

      • nagy_michael2

        Prophettt all I said he was getting paid by Hezbollah. I really didn’t say something bad at him. In Lebanon whether its M8 or M14 many of the rich politician or groups have passed money in order for people to vote for them or change sides. As far as the religious leaders in Lebanon and all Middle East in General lost of these religious leaders involve themselves in politics. Therefore you want to get in the mudd, then you better get ready to get muddied.. simple as that.. Any religious person of his statue and on the muslims sides as well. They need to IMO think how they can help the poor and preach the words of God and wisdom. otherwise you don’t have a place in religion for you. I don’t see any words in the bible says anything about politics. with all due respects you have people in saudi arabia, Iran and many muslims countries the sheiks or mullahs deciding how you not live by the Koran but how you should live according to their rules. I mean who the hell are they to decide that? whether a woman should wear veil and not to drive and don’t go to school. even in some gulf countries the women are advised not to handle cucumbers and skinny eggplants cause it might give them excitment lol.
        well if their men stop marrying too many wives and don’t have time for them. then cucumbers are going to make them feel sensational. I am not really making fun but that goes in all religions and nothing against muslims please.. thank you and have a great night.

  • dateam

    i wish the media would get things right one day he says the next day he says that….media should be about fact not rumours

  • dateam

    i wish the media would get things right one day he says the next day he says that….media should be about fact not rumours

  • ghzayel

    here we go again, the patriarch opens the doors of bkerki for only the christian sympathizers of the orthodox voting draft law to debate this particular law and then surprise!!!!! the patriarch declares after they, meaning the christian backers agreed on this particular draft law that he is against it!!!!!!!!!strange days in deeeeeeeeeeed!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ghzayel

    here we go again, the patriarch opens the doors of bkerki for only the christian sympathizers of the orthodox voting draft law to debate this particular law and then surprise!!!!! the patriarch declares after they, meaning the christian backers agreed on this particular draft law that he is against it!!!!!!!!!strange days in deeeeeeeeeeed!!!!!!!!!!!