Syria’s SNC elects a Christian as its new leader

The Syrian National Council, the main opposition body outside the country in the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad, elected veteran activist George Sabra as its head on Friday.

Sabra, a Christian, takes over a body that has come under heavy criticism from international allies for being ineffective in the fight against the Syrian government and for being riven by personal disputes.

Sabra immediately appealed for arms to fight Assad’s forces. “We need only one thing to support our right to survive and to protect ourselves: we need weapons, we need weapons,” he told reporters after his election by the SNC’s executive council which has met this week in Qatar.

The SNC will start talks on Saturday with other Syrian factions including representatives of rebel groups inside Syria on forming a new, wider body that hopes to gain international recognition as a government-in-waiting.

Qatar, the United States and other powers are pressing the Syrian opposition groups to come together. Western countries and Syria’s neighbors fear that hardline Islamist groups close to al Qaeda are growing in influence among rebels on the ground in Syria.

Qatar has hosted hundreds of figures from the SNC and other groups over the past week in five-star hotels, while U.S. diplomats have hovered on the sidelines to prod them towards an agreement. However, the SNC is worried that its influence will be diluted in any new body.

Sabra beat one other candidate to succeed Abdulbaset Sieda, a Kurd resident in Sweden, who took over from the SNC’s first leader Burhan Ghalioun.

Muslim Brotherhood figure Mohammed Farooq Taifoor was elected as Sabra’s deputy. The Brotherhood, a moderate Islamist group with affiliates around the Arab world, is seen as the dominant force within the SNC.

Sabra said his election showed that there was no sectarianism in the SNC. “The people here are Muslims and they elected a Christian,” he said.

Sabra comes from the mixed Damascus suburb of Qatana and marched in early street demonstrations demanding Assad’s removal last year before fleeing the country when secret police began targeting prominent pro-democracy campaigners.

A 65-year-old geography teacher, Sabra was known as a fierce critic of Assad before the uprising began. He is close to Riad al-Turk, a famed opposition figure who still operates underground in Syria.

Sabra is one of the writers of the Arabic version of the popular children’s TV show Sesame Street.

Surprise

In order to become the head of the Syrian National Council (SNC), any candidate has to first be elected into a 41-member secretariat, and next onto an executive committee of 11 members, who then vote for a leader.

Sabra failed in the first stage, missing by one vote the chance to join the secretariat, so, you might wonder, how has he just become leader of the SNC?

Many blamed Sabra’s initial defeat on the closed-list system, which has benefited the well-organised Islamists (who won a third of the seats) and disadvantaged the loose, secular coalitions.

Sabra’s loss not only disappointed people inside the council, but also many ordinary Syrians opposed to President Bashar al-Assad.

Sabra, for many, is not just a member of an opposition bloc. He is also a struggler. A long-time opponent of Assad rule, he was jailed for eight years and detained twice after the uprising erupted in March last year.

Since Sabra is a Christian, the SNC tried to work around the bylaws and offer him a seat in the secretariat as part of a minority groups’ quota.

But Sabra, a secular leftist from the Damascus suburbs, refused to accept this opportunity.

“He is not a politician, or an academic. He is a revolutionary. He doesn’t speak in abstract. His tone conveys our anger and pain. He is our voice,” Faraj Hammoud Faraj, an SNC member and part of the Higher Council for the Syrian Revolution (HCSR), an activist network based in Syria.

The HCSR, which works in both relief efforts and supporting Syria’s rebels, has been accused of being an intolerant hardline Islamist group, Faraj says.

But the night before elections, the HCSR made a move that may change this perception.

The group, which won three seats in the SNC secretariat, decided to invite Sabra to join their group, take the seat of one of its members and represent it.

“When Wasel al-Shamali offered him his seat, George Sabra cried,” Faraj says. “We all cried.”

The rest is history.

A SNC founder resigns

A founder of the Syrian National Council (SNC) resigned on Friday, saying the opposition group had failed to reform and had even removed women from senior positions at a meeting in Qatar where restructuring was supposed to take place.

Businessman Adib al-Shishakly, grandson of a late Syrian president, said the the main overseas opposition in the 20-month-old Syrian uprising “has failed to become an institution” and a newly elected 41-member general assembly was dominated by Islamists.

“The Council has not managed to attract prominent opposition figures who have for obvious reasons remained outside it,” Shishakly said in a statement critical of what had been accomplished at Doha.

“A younger generation effective in the revolution was also excluded. Few women were in the general assembly, there are none now,” the statement added.

An SNC source said two other members also had resigned over the absence of women from senior positions.

Reuters/ Al Jazeera

  • wargame1

    We need some Samir Geagea in this revolution.

    • tayyyyar10452

      involution or devolution

  • wargame1

    We need some Samir Geagea in this revolution.

    • tayyyyar10452

      involution or devolution

  • Constantin7

    Good move by the SNC, to give the christians some comfort in Syria.

    • tayyyyar10452

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  • Constantin7

    Good move by the SNC, to give the christians some comfort in Syria.

    • tayyyyar10452

      the picture we have of him on this blog is possibly a pre mortem one but already looking like he is in a coffin on his way to djinnah, waiting for the 72 mermaids; once they use him and if they succeed, highlyt improbable, they will kill him; do you think a non salafi has a role among salafis? unless if he is a salafi practising taquyya

    • tayyyyar10452

      brother; i am not going to argue with you; but go and ask the copts in egypt how is it to live under sharia law; oh better; please go to saoudi arabia with a cross or a Bible or a Gospel; i wont be waiting for your return; oops even better ask your wife or sister or any woman to go with you if you are not her male tutor or if she is not hijabed; omg, even bettter, ask her to drive a 2 camels car; anybody remembers the french 2 chevaux!!!

  • Hannibal

    Now you will see action…

    • tayyyyar10452

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      Your comment was deleted because it contains profanities, is irrelvant to the article and incites hate , racism, and advocates violence.

      • wargame1

        This is a political move and has no impact on the ground.There are Christian brigade who are fighting against the Shabiha in Syria.Some Christians are taking Assads side but majority of them are against the regime. A righteous Christian will either fight against Assad or oppose the Assad regime.

        You should learn that taqiyya is a mandatory shia practice in order to deceive the sunnis. The shia Taquyya will be removed when their 1300 years old 12 Imam come out of the cave.

        REFERENCE:
        Taqiyyah is something compulsory to be practiced by one who is following the Shiism .In a narration attributed to the 8th Shia Imam, Ali bin Musa, he said,“ The one who is not wari (pious) has no religion and the one who does not practice Taqiyyah has no Iman ( deep faith).” So he was asked, “O grandson of the Messenger, until when (is one required to practice Taqiyyah)?” He replied, “Until a certain day (i.e. the day 12 imam appears). Whoever does not practice Taqiyyah before the appearance of Imam Mahdi (Shia 12 imam), is not one of us.” (Al-Ardabili, Kashf al-Ghummah , p. 341).

        The whole narration is in fact a lie but this is what the shia believe and practice and there is no reference of such taqiyaa in  the quran nor in the saying of the prophets. So dont associate this dirty thing with the sunnis.The sunnis are not one of them.

        • tayyyyar10452

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        • tayyyyar10452

          christian brigades fighting assad; lol; maybe in nintendo

        • tayyyyar10452

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        • Constantin7

          In fact Taqiyyah is flagrantly practiced by the Druze community. Look at Walid Jumblat as an example. But all muslims practice it in different degrees even Sunnis. Sunnis who hate Christians and live in the West or Christian areas don’t they practice Taqqiyah ?

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  • Hannibal

    Now you will see action…

    • tayyyyar10452

      calling this creature a christian is a misnomer; he is atheist, stupid, criminal and not knowing what he is doing; just wanting fame; forgive them father for they dont know what they are doing. He is as much christian as geagea is a christian; mind you geagea is the one who massacred most of the christians. This kind of creatures are useless; they are used as cache sexe as we say in french; kinda underwear to hide your genitalia

      • wargame1

        This is a political move and has no impact on the ground.There are Christian brigade who are fighting against the Shabiha in Syria.Some Christians are taking Assads side but majority of them are against the regime. A righteous Christian will either fight against Assad or oppose the Assad regime.

        You should learn that taqiyya is a mandatory shia practice in order to deceive the sunnis. The shia Taquyya will be removed when their 1300 years old 12 Imam come out of the cave.

        REFERENCE:
        Taqiyyah is something compulsory to be practiced by one who is following the Shiism .In a narration attributed to the 8th Shia Imam, Ali bin Musa, he said,“ The one who is not wari (pious) has no religion and the one who does not practice Taqiyyah has no Iman ( deep faith).” So he was asked, “O grandson of the Messenger, until when (is one required to practice Taqiyyah)?” He replied, “Until a certain day (i.e. the day 12 imam appears). Whoever does not practice Taqiyyah before the appearance of Imam Mahdi (Shia 12 imam), is not one of us.” (Al-Ardabili, Kashf al-Ghummah , p. 341).

        The whole narration is in fact a lie but this is what the shia believe and practice and there is no reference of such taqiyaa in  the quran nor in the saying of the prophets. So dont associate this dirty thing with the sunnis.The sunnis are not one of them.

        • tayyyyar10452

          am calling here the 5thundercover admin as a referee since i am quoting wikipedia:
          The practice of concealing one’s beliefs in dangerous circumstances originates in the koran, which deems blameless those who disguise their beliefs in such cases. The practice of taqiyya in difficult circumstances is considered legitimate by various sects of islam. Sunni and Shi’a commentators alike observe that verse 16:106 refers to the case of ‘ammar b yasir who was forced to renounce his beliefs under physical duress and torture.
          Koran 3:28 enjoins Muslims not to take the company of non-Muslims over Muslims unless as a means of safeguarding themselves. “Let not the believers take those who deny the truth for their allies in preference to the believers – since he who does this cuts himself off from God in everything – unless it be to protect yourself against them in this way…” Regarding 3:28, Ibn kathir a prominent authority writes, “meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.” He quotes Abu Addarda a propet’s companion, who said “we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them,”
          Over the course of time, the majority Sunni Muslims, who maintained political hegemony in most areas of the Islamic world, rarely found it necessary to hide their beliefs. In the Sunni view, denying your faith under duress is “only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory” Al Tabari comments on sura XVI, verse 108 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323, xxiv, 122): “If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, in order to escape his enemies, no blame falls on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe.” This verse was revealed after Ammar Yasir was forced by the idolaters of Mecca to recant his faith and denounce the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Al-Tabari explains that concealing one’s faith is only justified if the person is in mortal danger, and even then martyrdom is considered a noble alternative. If threatened, it would be preferable for a Muslim to migrate to a more peaceful place where a person may practice their faith openly, “since God’s earth is wide.”
          No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence. Protecting one’s belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar, which translates to “being forced” or “being coerced”, and this word is not specific to concealing the faith. Sunnis believe that it is allowed to deny faith under compulsion, threat, or fear of injury, as long as the heart remains firm in faith, but they also greatly disagree with some of the Shi’a points of view. While one is allowed to consume prohibited or haraam food to protect one’s life under the jurisprudence of idtirar, some Sunni sources emphasize the fact that a person who prefers to proclaim their faith in the face of death will have a greater reward than they who deny their faith to save their lives. For example, in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari known as the Fath al-Bari, it is stated that: There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one’s faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death].
          When Mamun became caliph, he tried to impose his religious views on the status of the Qur’an over all his subjects, in an ordeal called the mihna or “inquisition”. His views were disputed, and many of those who refused to follow his views were imprisoned, tortured, or threatened with the sword. Some Sunni scholars chose to affirm Mamun’s view that the Qur’an was created, in spite of their beliefs.
          In 16th century Spain, following the end of the Reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula in 1492, Muslims and Jews were persecuted by the Catholic Monarchs and forced to convert to Christianity or face expulsion. The principle of taqiyya became very important for Muslims during the Inquisition in sixteenth century Spain, as it allowed them to convert to Christianity while remaining crypto-Muslims, practicing Islam in secret. In 1504, Ubayd Allah al-Wahrani, a Maliki mufti in Oran, issued a fatwā allowing Muslims to make extensive use of taqiyya in order to maintain their faith. This is seen as an exceptional case, since Islamic law prohibits conversion except in cases of mortal danger, and even then requires recantation as quickly as possible, and al-Wahrani’s reasoning diverged from that of the majority of earlier Maliki Faqīhs. This is from wikipedia; i do not agree with some of it personally

        • tayyyyar10452

          christian brigades fighting assad; lol; maybe in nintendo

        • tayyyyar10452

          sourat annisa 4:142 the hundreth name of allah; allah the deceiver
          “Inna almunafiqeena yukhadiAAoona Allaha wahuwa khadiAAuhum wa-itha qamoo ila alssalati qamoo kusala yuraoona alnnasa wala yathkuroona Allaha illa qaleelan ”
          pickthall translation: Lo! the hypocrites seek to beguile Allah, but it is He Who beguileth them. When they stand up to worship they perform it languidly and to be seen of men, and are mindful of Allah but little;

        • tayyyyar10452

          koran 3:54  Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
           And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

        • tayyyyar10452

          in sirat annabi, the life of prophet mohammad PBUH: Muhammad authorized lying to improve the chances of successful assassinations, for example in the case of Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly and Bin Kaab.Muhammad said: “Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people” [Ahmad, 6.459. H]
          Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them). Sahih Muslim 32:6303
          so sahih muslim is a shia sahih now
          oh maybe a hadith da3if
          oops or maybe you know better than sahih muslim one of the biggest if not the biggest scholar of sunnism

        • Constantin7

          In fact Taqiyyah is flagrantly practiced by the Druze community. Look at Walid Jumblat as an example. But all muslims practice it in different degrees even Sunnis. Sunnis who hate Christians and live in the West or Christian areas don’t they practice Taqqiyah ?

    • tayyyyar10452

      from the beginning i told you we will witness lots of bump actions; you said nooooo, assad is leaving soon. One day we will all be leaving, for some sooner for others later. Hariri father and son, geagea and jumblatte showed us bum action; now we will see bump action

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  • tayyyyar10452

    TO PATRIARCH AL RAHI WE PRESENT OUR SINCERE CONDOLENCES FOR THE DEATH OF HIS BROTHER. MAY HE REST IN PEACE IN  THE REALM OF GOD. FROM CHARLIE GROUP

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  • tayyyyar10452

    BREAKING NEWS: SECOND EPISODE OF AL DYAR: HOW THE HARIRI SALAFI DYNASTY STOLE BEIRUT CENTER

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  • tayyyyar10452

    Instead of talking about insignificant saprophytes who florish only in gangrenous brains, people who have as much effect as a fart: some noise, at best smelly for a while then the game is over, we are better to discuss the hidden face of prominent lebanese little change scavenger vultures who also tried to enter history by its rear tail, feeding themselves by lebanese carrion namley walid jumblatte the drug addict, rafic hariri the homosexual illetrate syrian designated saoudi prime minister of Lebanon and the criminal blood thirsty geagea who does not even hold a BS degree

  • tayyyyar10452

    who knows according to the syrian constitution, what is the religion of the syrian president?

    • Hannibal

      Sunni

  • tayyyyar10452

    who knows according to the syrian constitution, what is the religion of the syrian president?

    • Hannibal

      Sunni

    • Hannibal

      Sunni

  • Prophettttt

    A leftist dissident  Christian  activist ,who had spent more than eight years in prison for his  opposition to the Assad regime is now heading a unified opposition front which is mostly controlled by  Islamist!!!!!!!!!!A christian leading the Muslim brotherhood?? Poor guy,George,THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU WISH YOU NEVER WERE AN ACTIVIST.

    • libnen10452

      libnen10452
      Your comment was deleted for being rude, insulting, abusive, derogatory and defamatory.
      All comments should abide by Ya Libnan policy of respecting the community and refraining from personal attacks and use of inappropriate language .

      • Prophettttt

        In Fairness, this comment (by libnen10452) was removed  for no  reason. There was nothing rude ,abusive,derogatory or defamatory  in its content. I can understand,and fully support yalibnan’s desire,as it’s ours as well, to enforce a policy where the community and the blog is being respected,but I can not understand why comments or replies are deleted for no apparent reason. I hope that it is not a policy of censorship.If it is , I hope the admin of this blog would refrain from such practice because censorship is very counter productive,and it goes against every thing this blog claims to represent. Censorship reflects the blog’s  lack of confidence .I may disprove of what this member says or thinks, but I defend his rights to say it as long as it does not contain insults  or derogatory language,and in this case it did not contain any.
        Looking at the comment bellow by wargame1, It is full of derogatory and offensive language, yet I don’t see yalibnan enforcing their zero tolerance policy.

        • Salitizi

          Absolutely well said Prophettttt. Yalibnan’s Judgment is extremely biased to say the least. 
          For example, Nagy Michael 2 wishes death and instead of Yalibnan Admin giving him a warning, They flag his comment as liked.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

           Of course you would come to his/her aid, after all birds of a feather flock together.

        • haririBenASSaoud

          this is how they are digging their own tomb by their own hands; did you expect more freedom from saoudis!!!!!

      • frank campo

        I question the fairness of the blog… readers, should have the privilege, and btw do have the capability of judging whether a comment is readable by choosing to read or not read it. Here, on this blog, choice is diminishing.  It seems any who contest to the ramblings of the dictatorship of the blog are banned.  Libnon10452 obviously has not been accepted in this dictatorship, unreasonably so. Makes one think that what he says is a truth that hurts, which instead of using it to learn from, gets punished and sent to bed with no dinner.  Parents sometimes need to listen to the mouth of babes.

        • Hannibal

          It’s ok Frankie… This reflects the policies of Lebanon and Syria… If we do not like you we eliminate you… At least here you get banned… In Lebanon you get blown up to pieces by Bashar and his stooges… Now tell me which is the lesser evil? 

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       you shiism is showing.

      • haririBenASSaoud

        you are just a parrot with no preview

  • Prophettttt

    A leftist dissident  Christian  activist ,who had spent more than eight years in prison for his  opposition to the Assad regime is now heading a unified opposition front which is mostly controlled by  Islamist!!!!!!!!!!A christian leading the Muslim brotherhood?? Poor guy,George,THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU WISH YOU NEVER WERE AN ACTIVIST.

    • libnen10452

      buddy, a christian cannot be leftist; in christianity, din wa dawla are separate; these little people are of christian roots but since nowadays in order to exist and to be considered you need to be a terrorist, many so called born christians try to have a terrorist label so that people talk about them; for gods sake do not consider them christians; i prefer to label them terrorists

      • Prophettttt

        In Fairness, this comment (by libnen10452) was removed  for no  reason. There was nothing rude ,abusive,derogatory or defamatory  in its content. I can understand,and fully support yalibnan’s desire,as it’s ours as well, to enforce a policy where the community and the blog is being respected,but I can not understand why comments or replies are deleted for no apparent reason. I hope that it is not a policy of censorship.If it is , I hope the admin of this blog would refrain from such practice because censorship is very counter productive,and it goes against every thing this blog claims to represent. Censorship reflects the blog’s  lack of confidence .I may disprove of what this member says or thinks, but I defend his rights to say it as long as it does not contain insults  or derogatory language,and in this case it did not contain any.
        Looking at the comment bellow by wargame1, It is full of derogatory and offensive language, yet I don’t see yalibnan enforcing their zero tolerance policy.

        • Salitizi

          Absolutely well said Prophettttt. Yalibnan’s Judgment is extremely biased to say the least. 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

           Of course you would come to his/her aid, after all birds of a feather flock together.

        • haririBenASSaoud

          this is how they are digging their own tomb by their own hands; did you expect more freedom from saoudis!!!!!

      • frank campo

        I question the fairness of the blog… readers, should have the privilege, and btw do have the capability of judging whether a comment is readable by choosing to read or not read it. Here, on this blog, choice is diminishing.  It seems any who contest to the ramblings of the dictatorship of the blog are banned.  Libnon10452 obviously has not been accepted in this dictatorship, unreasonably so. Makes one think that what he says is a truth that hurts, which instead of using it to learn from, gets punished and sent to bed with no dinner.  Parents sometimes need to listen to the mouth of babes.

        • Hannibal

          It’s ok Frankie… This reflects the policies of Lebanon and Syria… If we do not like you we eliminate you… At least here you get banned… In Lebanon you get blown up to pieces by Bashar and his stooges… Now tell me which is the lesser evil? 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

       you shiism is showing.

      • haririBenASSaoud

        you are just a parrot with no preview

  • wargame1

    @Constantin7:disqus Shiism encourages Taqiya (concealing and lying about one’s true beliefs), it is hard to know what a specific Shiite individual truly believes in.This dangerous doctrine called Taqiya (which allows concealing their true beliefs, lying, deceiving). Their scholars have said Taqiya is nine tenth (90%) of their religion. 
    Therefore you may find some of it by reading their holy book.But we must not presume something out of thin air and slander any one on that baseless presumption. The term Taqiya is exclusively a shia concept encouraged by the religion itself.

    You are trying to relate it with “deception” then apply it on every one then forgot to add the Christian! well have you found this concept in christianity or in the main stream sunni Islam?  If you find it then bring it on and then we will discuss on that matter.

    Let us experience what taqiya can do by quoting the shia holy book

    “Al-Qaim (Shia’s12 Imam) will demolish Haram Mosque (Kabah in Mecca) down to its foundation and the Messenger’s Mosque (Prophet Mohammad’s s.a.w. Mosque in Medina) down to its foundation.” (Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 338, and Al-Tusi, Al-Ghaibah, p. 282)

     “When Imam Mahdi(12 Imam) rises up, he will demolish Al-Haram Mosque (Kabah in Mecca) …’” (Al-Mufid, Al-Irshad. p. 411 and At-Tusi,Kitab al Ghaibah, p. 282)

    “Take the money (meaning by stealing or rip-off) of Al-Nasib (the Sunni) wherever you find it and pay to us Al-Khums (one fifth of the money).”  (Al-Tusi, Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, Vol. 1, p. 384, Ibn Idriss,  Al-Sarair p. 484,  and Al-Hur Al-Amili, Wasil Al-Shia, Vol. 340, p.6)

    “ The money of the Al-Nasib (the Sunni) is Halal (permissible to be stolen) and every thing he owns is Halal.” ( Al-Tusi,Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, Vol. 2, p. 48 and  Al-Hur Al-Amili, Wasil Al-Shia, Vol. 11, p.60)
     
    “For those in our (Shia’s) State who differ with us, there is a punishment. God has made their blood Halal (permissible to be shed) when our Qa’im (Shia’s 12 imam) emerges.”( Baqir Al-Majlisi’s Bihar Al-Anwar, Vol. 50, p. 373)

    “There will be nothing left between us and the Arabs, except slaughter.” (Baqir Al-Majlisi, Bihar Al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 349  and  Al-Numani, Al-Ghaiba, p. 155) 
    “Al-Muntazar (the Awaited One, meaning Shia’s Mahdi) will walk amongst the Arabs and kill them.” (Baqir Al-Majlisi,Bihar al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 318)

    Now tell me what are Hezbushaitan and Iranian Majoosis role in Palestine where 98% are sunnis. Outwardly the shia is supposedly protecting the sunni palestinians and killing the Syrians!! Allah is going to expose them. I could bring some more example but if you are smart enough then the above examples are sufficient to understand the concept of Taqyaa.

    Now bring it on from the sunni teachings of your version of Taqyya if you possibly can.

    • libnen10452

      libnen10452
      Your comment was deleted for being rude, insulting, abusive, derogatory and defamatory.
      All comments should abide by Ya Libnan policy of respecting the community and refraining from personal attacks and use of inappropriate language .

    • libnan1

       Why don’t you go and live in Saudi Arabia?

  • wargame1

    @Constantin7:disqus Shiism encourages Taqiya (concealing and lying about one’s true beliefs), it is hard to know what a specific Shiite individual truly believes in.This dangerous doctrine called Taqiya (which allows concealing their true beliefs, lying, deceiving). Their scholars have said Taqiya is nine tenth (90%) of their religion. 
    Therefore you may find some of it by reading their holy book.But we must not presume something out of thin air and slander any one on that baseless presumption. The term Taqiya is exclusively a shia concept encouraged by the religion itself.

    You are trying to relate it with “deception” then apply it on every one then forgot to add the Christian! well have you found this concept in christianity or in the main stream sunni Islam?  If you find it then bring it on and then we will discuss on that matter.

    Let us experience what taqiya can do by quoting the shia holy book

    “Al-Qaim (Shia’s Mahdi) will demolish Haram Mosque (Kabah in Mecca) down to its foundation and the Messenger’s Mosque (Prophet Mohammad’s s.a.w. Mosque in Medina) down to its foundation.” (Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 338, and Al-Tusi, Al-Ghaibah, p. 282)

     “When Imam Mahdi rises up, he will demolish Al-Haram Mosque (Kabah in Mecca) …’” (Al-Mufid, Al-Irshad. p. 411 and At-Tusi,Kitab al Ghaibah, p. 282)

    “Take the money (meaning by stealing or rip-off) of Al-Nasib (the Sunni) wherever you find it and pay to us Al-Khums (one fifth of the money).”  (Al-Tusi, Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, Vol. 1, p. 384, Ibn Idriss,  Al-Sarair p. 484,  and Al-Hur Al-Amili, Wasil Al-Shia, Vol. 340, p.6)

    “ The money of the Al-Nasib (the Sunni) is Halal (permissible to be stolen) and every thing he owns is Halal.” ( Al-Tusi,Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, Vol. 2, p. 48 and  Al-Hur Al-Amili, Wasil Al-Shia, Vol. 11, p.60)
     
    “For those in our (Shia’s) State who differ with us, there is a punishment. God has made their blood Halal (permissible to be shed) when our Qa’im (Shia’s 12 imam) emerges.”( Baqir Al-Majlisi’s Bihar Al-Anwar, Vol. 50, p. 373)

    “There will be nothing left between us and the Arabs, except slaughter.” (Baqir Al-Majlisi, Bihar Al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 349  and  Al-Numani, Al-Ghaiba, p. 155) 
    “Al-Muntazar (the Awaited One, meaning Shia’s Mahdi) will walk amongst the Arabs and kill them.” (Baqir Al-Majlisi,Bihar al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 318)

    Now tell me what are Hezbushaitan and Iranian Majoosis role in Palestine where 98% are sunnis. I could bring some more example but if you are smart enough then the above examples are sufficient to understand the concept of Taqyaa.

    Now bring it on from the sunni teachings of your version of Taqyya if you possibly can.

    • libnen10452

      lol

    • libnan1

       Why don’t you go and live in Saudi Arabia?

  • libnen10452

    libnen10452
    Your comment was deleted for being rude, insulting, abusive, derogatory and defamatory.
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    All comments should abide by Ya Libnan policy of respecting the community and refraining from personal attacks and use of inappropriate language .

  • libnen10452

    the blind hatred of this blog to shiism and christianism is obvious but what is interesting is also their hatred to islam; they banned my quotes from koran; lol; they are proving that they, you included, are not muslims and you do not respect islam or the koran; you are just banadik bala asl

  • haririBenASSaoud

    Prophettttt 3 comments collapsed CollapseExpandIn Fairness, this comment (by libnen10452) was removed for no reason. There was nothing rude ,abusive,derogatory or defamatory in its content. I can understand,and fully support yalibnan’s desire,as it’s ours as well, to enforce a policy where the community and the blog is being respected,but I can not understand why comments or replies are deleted for no apparent reason. I hope that it is not a policy of censorship.If it is , I hope the admin of this blog would refrain from such practice because censorship is very counter productive,and it goes against every thing this blog claims to represent. Censorship reflects the blog’s lack of confidence .I may disprove of what this member says or thinks, but I defend his rights to say it as long as it does not contain insults or derogatory language,and in this case it did not contain any.Looking at the comment bellow by wargame1, It is full of derogatory and offensive language, yet I don’t see yalibnan enforcing their zero tolerance policy.(Edited by author 5 hours ago)

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    • Prophettttt

      haririBenASSaoud, I don’t appreciate you copy/paste my comment and posting it as a comment of your own.If you had anything to say or add to what I posted, you could have done so in a reply or in  a new comment. I would appreciate it if you edit your comment and remove the text of my comment from your reply. I don’t understand how a comment could have collapsed of expanded.

      • Hannibal

        LOL… You should add a copyright sign after each blog… Too funny dude… HBA finds a way to annoy anyone… He has that skill I give him that.

  • haririBenASSaoud

    Prophettttt 3 comments collapsed CollapseExpandIn Fairness, this comment (by libnen10452) was removed for no reason. There was nothing rude ,abusive,derogatory or defamatory in its content. I can understand,and fully support yalibnan’s desire,as it’s ours as well, to enforce a policy where the community and the blog is being respected,but I can not understand why comments or replies are deleted for no apparent reason. I hope that it is not a policy of censorship.If it is , I hope the admin of this blog would refrain from such practice because censorship is very counter productive,and it goes against every thing this blog claims to represent. Censorship reflects the blog’s lack of confidence .I may disprove of what this member says or thinks, but I defend his rights to say it as long as it does not contain insults or derogatory language,and in this case it did not contain any.Looking at the comment bellow by wargame1, It is full of derogatory and offensive language, yet I don’t see yalibnan enforcing their zero tolerance policy.(Edited by author 5 hours ago)

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    • Prophettttt

      haririBenASSaoud, I don’t appreciate you copying and pasting my comment and posting it in a comment of your own.If you had anything to say or add to what I had to say, you could have done so in a reply or in  a new comment. I would appreciate it if you edit your comment and remove the text of my comment from your reply. I don’t understand how a comment could have collapsed of expanded.

      • Hannibal

        LOL… You should add a copyright sign after each blog… Too funny dude… HBA finds a way to annoy anyone… He has that skill I give him that.

  • frank campo

    In that case Hannibalini, having a blog like this is a waste of time and being one step ahead of the game
    is crucial.

    • Hannibal

      Ok Campost who is holding you? If it is a waste of your time so be it… I like it here… I get to meet people like you and try to make sense of Lebanon… It is challenging to say the least, annoying at times, but at the end… what can I say? Refreshing? ;)

  • frank campo

    In that case Hannibalini, having a blog like this is a waste of time and being one step ahead of the game
    is crucial.

    • Hannibal

      Ok Campost who is holding you? If it is a waste of your time so be it… I like it here… I get to meet people like you and try to make sense of Lebanon… It is challenging to say the least, annoying at times, but at the end… what can I say? Refreshing? ;)