Is The Arab Destined To Watch The World Go By?

by Ghassan Karam

Judged by practically every single ranking in the world Arab countries in general do not rank very high; neither when measured by the HDI (Human Development Index) nor when measured by the Democracy Index, the Corruption Index or that of Failed State. Why is that so? If you ask Arabs most will never tire of recounting the fact that Algebra, Medicine and Philosophy were the most developed in the world about 1200 years ago by Arab speaking scholars and Moslem believers. They have a point. The relatively common explanation of “backwardness’ in terms of language, geographical location , natural resources and religion does not stand the rigors of serious investigations. So what is it that makes nations fail? In a relatively new book that has become an instantaneous reference on the subject the two authors James Robinson of Harvard and his colleague Daron Acemoglu from MIT suggest that ultimately it is institutions, social, economic and political. They describe at length, in “Why Nations Fail”, the divergent development of North and South Korea, two countries inhabited by the same people who speak the same language and share the same peninsula. One of them has become one of the most vibrant economies in the world while the other is one of the poorest. It is clear that this offers as close to a laboratory experiment in the social field as one can imagine. One country was split into two; one adopted an open democratic system and free enterprise while the other opted for state planning and a command economy. The former prospered while the latter stagnated. What are the lessons in this to the Arab world? Create institutions that value personal freedom and liberty, encourage education and risk taking by offering protection of personal property i.e. Encourage responsible citizenship and educated population that does not fear failure since that is the dynamic force behind innovation. Creative destruction is not a phrase to be feared as much as an idea to be embraced.

Unfortunately each of the above basic attributes of this modern society that can keep reinventing itself and moving forward rests on education and an open mind above everything else. This is our failure in the Arab world. In many of our countries the literacy rate is rather low and even then it is barely above 6-8 years of education. Combine that with the dominant culture of a traditional society , a culture that does not question the reasons for the way things are but merely accepts the status quo for what it is and you get the conditions for stagnation, lack of research and entrepreneurship.

The above is not based on speculation but facts as collected , catalogued and presented by a prestigious research center, Arab thought Foundation. Its latest report reveals the damning evidence that Arabs, in general do not read, do not study and do not do research in any meaningful way. The figures are astonishingly alarming as the following will illustrate.

The average Arab child reads only 6 minutes a year compared to the 12000 by the Western counterpart. The average Arab adult reads the equivalent of a quarter of a page each year compared to the 11 books read by the American and the 7 books read by a resident of the UK. Such results should not be surprising when very few if any of our villages, towns and cities have public libraries and when the 4.5 million Lebanese buy every day less than 100,000 newspapers.  It is rare to visit an Arab home that has a bookshelf of current books besides the Quran or possibly the Bible. When we complain, as we must, that even in nominally democratic Lebanon, citizens do not vote for ideas as much as traditional feudalistic leadership, we must not forget that very few of the citizens have had the opportunity to read and learn about different ideas and different ways of thinking simply because they do not read.

 

As bad as the above might be in preventing the rise of responsible government it pales in significance when compared to the utter lack of interest that our society shows in research and experiments. Arab countries on the average devote 0.2% of their GDP to scientific research when countries such as Sweden and Japan spend 17 times more; 3.4%. This lack of interest in science is also seen in the number of researchers per 1 million citizens. The highest such ratio in the Arab world is found in Egypt: 650 researchers out of every 1 million people when South Korea has 4600 researchers for every 1 million Korean.

And the lack of performance goes on. It can be seen clearly in the rankings of the top 500 universities in the worlds according to the University of Shanghai, the most popular such ranking. Only 2 Arab universities make the cut; King Saud University and the King Fahd University for Petroleum and minerals. Alas all of these low rankings are reflected in something concrete, the whole of the Arab world had registered only 475 patents all across the world in the period of 2005-2009.

So what is the lesson if any? The dismal educational record in addition to the lack of any interest in research became manifested  in a rigid dictatorial political system that is ripe for revolution. You cannot keep them on the farm once they have seen Paris, as the US saying goes. The Arab Spring should not have been a surprise in a society that has abused its citizens and refused to let modern institutions develop. The Arab Spring is not over yet, even if the Assad regime falls tomorrow. We still have to deal with the rigidities of the GCC, Jordan and half of North Africa. Revolution is inevitable, and if governments are smart then they can prevent the collective pain or at least minimize it by modernizing and creating open institutions.

 

If any of you has the courage to read the full report (359 pages) without weeping then have a go at it:

http://www.arabthought.org/en/projects/third-report

  • Constantin7

    Wrong Title to this article. The title should have been: “Are MUSLIM Arabs destined to watch the world go by ?” And my answer to this question is unequivocably: YES. Islam has prevented the Arabs (and non Arabs) from thinking, imagining, creating, expressing themselves. Their role model is one of the biggest charlatans in the World history, he killed at will, he married at will, he raped at will, he stole at will, all by decree (supposedly) from God. Look at Saudi Arabia, their Oil and mineral riches should have made them one of the richest countries in the world, instead only about 10% of the population lives well or are rich and the rest are poor and illiterate. Saudi Arabia, actually is the most backward country in the world and hence one of the poorest countries in the world. Wealth is created by education, the more a people is educated the richer they are, not the more Oil and riches they have in the earth they are rich. Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlans, Italy etc…these countries have no minerals, they have BRAINS and they WORK HARD. Muslim arabs don’t have the brains and are lazy and don’t work. Compare Lebanon with the rest of the Arab countries, we have no oil but we are relatively rich in comparison to any Gulf country, and the areas of Lebanon that are not rich are the ones that are the most muslim. WHY ? Think my muslim friends, look at the islamic states in the world and compare them with the rest of the world.  The world is advancing with GIANT steps whiles Muslim Arabs are discussing things like (for example) a man can make love to his dead wife after her death, a woman who breastfeeds and meets an adult hungry man, she should breastfeed him, the women’s veils, the cloth and the food and all sort of rubish supposedly values that make them more and more limited and backward. I could write for ever on this subject….  

    • Ghassan Karam

      Constantin7,
                       The facts contradict your hypothesis since the Arab Moslem Empire was at one time the leader in all fields globally.

      • master09

        All they did was control and claim what was already in motion, they just laid claim to it because they had the power. Leaders in all fields globally are you kidding.. They used the Jews and others and claimed it as an Islamic thing rather than a humanity thing….  When you have the pwer the facts can be twisted..

        So what have the Arabs or even the Arab moslems done in the last 400 years. ?

      • master09

        All they did was control and claim what was already in motion, they just laid claim to it because they had the power. Leaders in all fields globally are you kidding.. They used the Jews and others and claimed it as an Islamic thing rather than a humanity thing….  When you have the pwer the facts can be twisted..

        So what have the Arabs or even the Arab moslems done in the last 400 years. ?

      • MeYosemite

        Ghassan, I doubt that history now. History of the past and facts of today. I would stick with the facts. If media of today is mostly frabicated I can be easily convinced glorious history of the past is a fabrication. Few intelligent people of the past is not a representation of the whole. The way Arab world act today is literaly one step out of the stone age.

        • 5thDrawer

          Yes Yosemite. Some have gone backward over only a few decades. Prime example – the Taliban of Pakistan, and the people they control. The new group Boko Haram is in it’s name a step to the rear of human development. It only needs a couple of generations to create a backward spiral.
          Locking a child away from any developmental input will make it an adult working only on basic instinct to acquire food. Preventing educational opportunity of the child will create an adult with no questing desire. Educating in only one subject will create an adult robot.
          Society has the power .. to open or close a mind in it’s earliest years; to allow a mind the freedom to search for answers to it’s questions.
          We are not all created equal in brain power or anything else – and the claims of ‘race’ to show arguments of ‘smartness’ is surely one of the saddest excuses for dumping on people generally. It is the opportunities given which allow the brain to realize it’s individual potential. And that must be from the very beginning.

          Why are the students and professors the first targets of any given despot ?? It is because their minds are ‘free’. They are the hardest to turn into obedient servants.
          But imagine if even that level of education in a society has not been allowed from the very beginning to search for answers to all it’s questions. If the only information it was allowed was perverted in content or crucial thoughts and information were left out.
          You end up with adults who keep trying to make the unworkable work. Et Voila! Arabia, etc.
          Actually, I’m not sure about many Americans either … hhehheehehehe

      • MeYosemite

        Ghassan, I doubt that history now. History of the past and facts of today. I would stick with the facts. If media of today is mostly frabicated I can be easily convinced glorious history of the past is a fabrication. Few intelligent people of the past is not a representation of the whole. The way Arab world act today is literaly one step out of the stone age.

        • 5thDrawer

          Yes Yosemite. Some have gone backward over only a few decades. Prime example – the Taliban of Pakistan, and the people they control. The new group Boko Haram is in it’s name a step to the rear of human development. It only needs a couple of generations to create a backward spiral.
          Locking a child away from any developmental input will make it an adult working only on basic instinct to acquire food. Preventing educational opportunity of the child will create an adult with no questing desire. Educating in only one subject will create an adult robot.
          Society has the power .. to open or close a mind in it’s earliest years; to allow a mind the freedom to search for answers to it’s questions.
          We are not all created equal in brain power or anything else – and the claims of ‘race’ to show arguments of ‘smartness’ is surely one of the saddest excuses for dumping on people generally. It is the opportunities given which allow the brain to realize it’s individual potential. And that must be from the very beginning.

          Why are the students and professors the first targets of any given despot ?? It is because their minds are ‘free’. They are the hardest to turn into obedient servants.
          But imagine if even that level of education in a society has not been allowed from the very beginning to search for answers to all it’s questions. If the only information it was allowed was perverted in content or crucial thoughts and information were left out.
          You end up with adults who keep trying to make the unworkable work. Et Voila! Arabia, etc.
          Actually, I’m not sure about many Americans either … hhehheehehehe

      • Constantin7

        Ghassan,

        Don’t forget that the Islamic empire from spain to India with the Ommeyades and Abbasites empire had major NON-Muslim populations who were in these countries even before Islam, so the invaders came and took credit for all the scientists and artists who were locals under islamic rule. If today Syria’s population is 10% Christian, imagine 1,300 and 1,200 years ago how much this percentage was, just to give an example….same thing with Irak, Egypt, Lebanon (until very recently), etc…. So sorry your theory does not stand. Your biggest example is NOW: Tell me what Saudi Arabia is contributing to the advancement and well being of the world ? Other than big time TERRORISTS…my answer is NOTHING.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          u calling one of the americans favourite friends terrorists. Ha america doesnt agree with u fool. more bulshit more propoganda no proof as usual

      • Constantin7

        Ghassan,

        Don’t forget that the Islamic empire from spain to India with the Ommeyades and Abbasites empire had major NON-Muslim populations who were in these countries even before Islam, so the invaders came and took credit for all the scientists and artists who were locals under islamic rule. If today Syria’s population is 10% Christian, imagine 1,300 and 1,200 years ago how much this percentage was, just to give an example….same thing with Irak, Egypt, Lebanon (until very recently), etc…. So sorry your theory does not stand. Your biggest example is NOW: Tell me what Saudi Arabia is contributing to the advancement and well being of the world ? Other than big time TERRORISTS…my answer is NOTHING.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          u calling one of the americans favourite friends terrorists. Ha america doesnt agree with u fool. more bulshit more propoganda no proof as usual

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

        Hahahahahaha, whatever.. Stealing technology is not the same as inventing it, and there you go again with your own selective version of world history,making it up to suit your religion is not how it works..

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

        Hahahahahaha, whatever.. Stealing technology is not the same as inventing it, and there you go again with your own selective version of world history,making it up to suit your religion is not how it works..

    • Moe2000

       Our problems are corrupt governments, occupation/war, religious extremists, Totally true Japan has 0 resources but is the worlds 3rd largest economy.. They just invested 16 billion into Afghanistan for Rare earth metals that china so far has a world monopoly on…

    • Moe2000

       Our problems are corrupt governments, occupation/war, religious extremists, Totally true Japan has 0 resources but is the worlds 3rd largest economy.. They just invested 16 billion into Afghanistan for Rare earth metals that china so far has a world monopoly on…

    • 5thDrawer

      You forgot the latest women’s discussion in the Tripoli Star … public masturbation … article July 17th by Naim Flemming-Farrel … which is “the secret habit” women shouldn’t complain about. Weird …

    • 5thDrawer

      You forgot the latest women’s discussion in the Tripoli Star … public masturbation … article July 17th by Naim Flemming-Farrel … which is “the secret habit” women shouldn’t complain about. Weird …

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

      WHat do u mean that the role model of islam is a deciever who raped , married n stole. wat a fool. u can write so much bulllshit on this subject all day wihtout evidence. nobody supports ur thinking. not even western philisophers. you are an infidel who believe that mushammad rashoolullah is a rapist, one who steals and fooled many. that is because he is the role model u must be talking about. Talking about brains u say western countries are ahead. well u know what, no one cares about r bullshit n propoganda.

      • 5thDrawer

        Da … I take it you didn’t like the history lessons. Duh.

        Although, possibly in the year 950, people didn’t see things quite the same way. Glad I didn’t live then.

      • master09

        No but it is fact that in the 7th century ,when you live by the sword and kill millions of people, how can anyone be what you people claim.. That is facts enough it is written in books. No holy person cuts heads of or orders it to be done by the thousands and what your rite hand grabs is yours..
        No u do not care about the bullshit, but you use it in your every day life… funny…You talk about evidence, where is yours. When someone writes a book without a single soul to witness it and put to the people, how do you know who wrote it… Where is that evidence….There is NONE… it was by others who put it together under the threat of the sword….show me evidence….. What holy man has 50 wives and the rest of the booty calls that number in the hundreds,,, where is your evidence that that did not happen.. but it was written…that it was 50 wives…or booty calls…funny. Imagine the simble is a sword, now that is a role model and peace… wow.  Where is the proof on who wrote this book……

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          50 wives. that isnt written everywhere. there are many false recordings of many numbers. u seriously believe it all. wat a fool. many western philosophers believe otherwise. besides wat do u mean there was not a single soul to witness it. the quraan n the bible are similar in every way. saying that the quraan is falsified and made up is just as bad as accusing the bible itslef that its false. oooh the pope’s goons are on u now !!!!!  besides it was god for the one millionth time who was the ultimate creator of the holy book, as well as the bible as well as the torah. it was not muhammad. seriously learn english before postingcrap on here

      • master09

        Took a while but was banging some chicks on the beach, so had no time to reply…
          You said……the quraan n the bible are similar in every way. saying that the quraan is falsified and made up is just as bad as accusing the bible itslef that its false.
        Now first I said a COPY of the bible, with changes to suite the man and his wants and needs, that includes all the booty calls….written by Jew and Christian as he held many under his control and used their knowledge and skills to make his own book with the same, but with changes… hense the word copy.. and CHANGE…….not falsified. So some of us who do not look at words and what they mean, should learn English…fool..
        So I have a ????? for you ,do you beleive the Bible and have you read it all and studied the book…..
        Do you beleive in the Torah?????..
        The way that you answer these two ?? will tell a lot about you and what you are about…..and when you answer these ?? I will give you a story about these three books…..but which one do you believe in…..?? if they are all the SAME…..
        But you pick on my English like a child in a play ground and know nothing about me. Well to do this makes you a real fool….. How many languages can you write and read and speak….some of us was not born with English…Tell me can you also speak Spanish, French, Arabic, Italian, English and German… FOOL….

        Do you beleive the Torah ??…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

      WHat do u mean that the role model of islam is a deciever who raped , married n stole. wat a fool. u can write so much bulllshit on this subject all day wihtout evidence. nobody supports ur thinking. not even western philisophers. you are an infidel who believe that mushammad rashoolullah is a rapist, one who steals and fooled many. that is because he is the role model u must be talking about. Talking about brains u say western countries are ahead. well u know what, no one cares about r bullshit n propoganda.

      • 5thDrawer

        Da … I take it you didn’t like the history lessons. Duh.

        Although, possibly in the year 950, people didn’t see things quite the same way. Glad I didn’t live then.

      • master09

        No but it is fact that in the 7th century ,when you live by the sword and kill millions of people, how can anyone be what you people claim.. That is facts enough it is written in books. No holy person cuts heads of or orders it to be done by the thousands and what your rite hand grabs is yours..
        No u do not care about the bullshit, but you use it in your every day life… funny…You talk about evidence, where is yours. When someone writes a book without a single soul to witness it and put to the people, how do you know who wrote it… Where is that evidence….There is NONE… it was by others who put it together under the threat of the sword….show me evidence….. What holy man has 50 wives and the rest of the booty calls that number in the hundreds,,, where is your evidence that that did not happen.. but it was written…that it was 50 wives…or booty calls…funny. Imagine the simble is a sword, now that is a role model and peace… wow.  Where is the proof on who wrote this book……

    • Rien Soewardji

      The first word descended to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was “Iqra”. It means “read, recite”. So it’s not the mistake of Islam. Ignorant Muslims are to be blamed for that.

  • Constantin7

    Wrong Title to this article. The title should have been: “Are MUSLIM Arabs destined to watch the world go by ?” And my answer to this question is unequivocably: YES. Islam has prevented the Arabs (and non Arabs) from thinking, imagining, creating, expressing themselves. Their role model is one of the biggest charlatans in the World history, he killed at will, he married at will, he raped at will, he stole at will, all by decree (supposedly) from God. Look at Saudi Arabia, their Oil and mineral riches should have made them one of the richest countries in the world, instead only about 10% of the population lives well or are rich and the rest are poor and illiterate. Saudi Arabia, actually is the most backward country in the world and hence one of the poorest countries in the world. Wealth is created by education, the more a people is educated the richer they are, not the more Oil and riches they have in the earth they are rich. Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlans, Italy etc…these countries have no minerals, they have BRAINS and they WORK HARD. Muslim arabs don’t have the brains and are lazy and don’t work. Compare Lebanon with the rest of the Arab countries, we have no oil but we are relatively rich in comparison to any Gulf country, and the areas of Lebanon that are not rich are the ones that are the most muslim. WHY ? Think my muslim friends, look at the islamic states in the world and compare them with the rest of the world.  The world is advancing with GIANT steps whiles Muslim Arabs are discussing things like (for example) a man can make love to his dead wife after her death, a woman who breastfeeds and meets an adult hungry man, she should breastfeed him, the women’s veils, the cloth and the food and all sort of rubish supposedly values that make them more and more limited and backward. I could write for ever on this subject….  

    • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

      Constantin7,
                       The facts contradict your hypothesis since the Arab Moslem Empire was at one time the leader in all fields globally.

      • master09

        All they did was control and claim what was already in motion, they just laid claim to it because they had the power. Leaders in all fields globally are you kidding.. They used the Jews and others and claimed it as an Islamic thing rather than a humanity thing….   

      • MeYosemite

        Ghassan, I doubt that history now. History of the past and facts of today. I would stick with the facts. If media of today is mostly frabicated I can be easily convinced glorious history of the past is a fabrication. Few intelligent people of the past is not a representation of the whole. The way Arab world act today is literaly one step out of the stone age.

        • 5thDrawer

          Yes Yosemite. Some have gone backward over a few decades. Prime example – the Taliban of Pakistan, and the people they control. The new group Boko Haram is in it’s name a step to the rear of human development. It only needs a couple of generations to create a backward spiral.
          Locking a child away from any developmental input will make it an adult working only on basic instinct to acquire food. Preventing educational opportunity of the child will create an adult with no questing desire. Educating in only one subject will create an adult robot.
          Society has the power .. to open or close a mind in it’s earliest years; to allow a mind the freedom to search for answers to it’s questions.
          We are not all created equal in brain power or anything else – and the claims of ‘race’ to show arguments of ‘smartness’ is surely one of the saddest excuses for dumping on people generally. It is the opportunities given which allow the brain to realize it’s individual potential. And that must be from the very beginning.

          Why are the students and professors the first targets of any given despot ?? It is because their minds are ‘free’. They are the hardest to turn into obedient servants.
          But imagine if even that level of education in a society has not been allowed from the very beginning to search for answers to all it’s questions. If the only information it was allowed was perverted in content or crucial thoughts and information were left out.
          You end up with adults who keep trying to make the unworkable work. Et Voila! Arabia, etc.
          Actually, I’m not sure about many Americans either … hhehheehehehe

      • Constantin7

        Ghassan,

        Don’t forget that the Islamic empire from spain to India with the Ommeyades and Abbasites empire had major NON-Muslim populations who were in these countries even before Islam, so the invaders came and took credit for all the scientists and artists who were locals under islamic rule. If today Syria’s population is 10% Christian, imagine 1,300 and 1,200 years ago how much this percentage was, just to give an example….same thing with Irak, Egypt, Lebanon (until very recently), etc…. So sorry your theory does not stand. Your biggest example is NOW: Tell me what Saudi Arabia is contributing to the advancement and well being of the world ? Other than big time TERRORISTS…my answer is NOTHING.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          u calling one of the americans favourite friends terrorists. Ha america doesnt agree with u fool. more bulshit more propoganda no proof as usual

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ Iran Aware

        Hahahahahaha, whatever.. Stealing technology is not the same as inventing it

    • Moe2000

       Our problems are corrupt governments, occupation/war, religious extremists, Totally true Japan has 0 resources but is the worlds 3rd largest economy.. They just invested 16 billion into Afghanistan for Rare earth metals that china so far has a world monopoly on…

    • 5thDrawer

      You forgot the latest women’s discussion in the Tripoli Star … public masturbation … article July 17th by Naim Flemming-Farrel … which is “the secret habit” women shouldn’t complain about. Weird …

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

      WHat do u mean that the role model of islam is a deciever who raped , married n stole. wat a fool. u can write so much bulllshit on this subject all day wihtout evidence. nobody supports ur thinking. not even western philisophers. you are an infidel who believe that mushammad rashoolullah is a rapist, one who steals and fooled many. that is because he is the role model u must be talking about. Talking about brains u say western countries are ahead. well u know what, no one cares about r bullshit n propoganda.

      • 5thDrawer

        Da … I take it you didn’t like the history lessons. Duh.

      • master09

        No but it is fact that in the 7th century ,when you live by the sword and kill millions of people, how can anyone be what you people claim.. That is facts enough it is written in books. No holy person cuts heads of or orders it to be done by the thousands and what your rite hand grabs is yours..
        No u do not care about the bullshit, but you use it in your every day life… funny…You talk about evidence, where is yours. When someone writes a book without a single soul to witness it and put to the people, how do you know who wrote it… Where is that evidence….There is NONE… it was by others who put it together under the threat of the sword….show me evidence….. What holy man has 50 wives and the rest of the booty calls that number in the hundreds,,, where is your evidence that that did not happen.. but it was written…that it was 50 wives…or booty calls…funny. Imagine the simble is a sword, now that is a role model and peace… wow.  Where is the proof on who wrote this book……

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          50 wives. that isnt written everywhere. there are many false recordings of many numbers. u seriously believe it all. wat a fool. many western philosophers believe otherwise. besides wat do u mean there was not a single soul to witness it. the quraan n the bible are similar in every way. saying that the quraan is falsified and made up is just as bad as accusing the bible itslef that its false. oooh the pope’s goons are on u now !!!!!  besides it was god for the one millionth time who was the ultimate creator of the holy book, as well as the bible as well as the torah. it was not muhammad. seriously learn english before postingcrap on here

      • master09

        Took a while but was banging some chicks on the beach, so had no time to reply…
          You said……the quraan n the bible are similar in every way. saying that the quraan is falsified and made up is just as bad as accusing the bible itslef that its false.
        Now first I
         

    • Rien Soewardji

      The first word descended to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was “Iqra”. It means “read, recite”. So it’s not the mistake of Islam. Ignorant Muslims are to be blamed for that.

  • Ghassan Karam

    Constantin7/meYosemite/Master09…
                                                          Let us look closely at some of the facts:

    (1) The major study Why Nations Fail looked at all the popular theories that have attempted to explain the inability of nations to grow and prosper including, religion, culture, climate, natural resources… Each and every explanation was deemed wanting. Open and democratic institutions was the only criteria that mattered if a country was to evolve and grow.  Excellent examples can be seen in South Korea, Japan and even China of the past 30 years.

    (2) The Moslem Arab thinkers dominated practically every single field of knowledge all over the world at the height of the Arab empire that stretched from Spain to India.

    (3) Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are three moslem societies that are way ahead of the dismal numbers shown for the Arab world in this study.

    (4) A large number of European and US intellectuals , physicians and Engineers are Moslem Arabs. Actually 54 % of the Arab students that study abroad do not come back to their countries of origin creating one of the largest brain drains in the world.

    (5) Moslem Arabs who have had to emigrate have been very successful in their adopted homes.

    (6) The above demonstrate clearly that it is not religious beliefs but the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement.

    If after seeing the above you persist in blaming ones religious beliefs for the ability to grow and advance then you must be a sectarian bigot who will ignore the facts and twist reality in order to fit into a preconceived narrow-minded and prejudiced sectarian vision.

    • master09

      You miss the point it is the ones that control the people…..the leaders the governments who brainwash the people.. Who said anything about the  individual or Religion in the individual, I myself am talking about the ARAB nations who hold their people BACK FROM BEEN THE BEST THEY CAN BE, YES, NO WHAT DO YOU THINK.
       …
      80% of Christians who go out of the ME, Lebanon are successful. In my family alone we have 6 dr, with 2 on the way, 9 lawyers and 1 prof…who had to leave for these  opportunities …… SO Karam I am not talking about the person ,or religion, It is our governments who do nothing for their people..AS YOU HAVE CLEARLY STATED ABOVE 

       “Actually 54 % of the Arab students that study abroad do not come back to their countries of origin creating one of the largest brain drains in the world ‘.(Karam)
      That above said ,proves that the ME is living in the middle ages if they do not want or allow their people to use the brain for the good of man… SO THEY GO ABROAD AS YOU SAY ……how does this prove your point….about our ME NATIONS and leaders, NOT INDIVIDUALS…    FUNNY IS IT NOT… 

      What have ME NATIONS claimed for their own as an invention or a cure in medicine or anything for that matter in the last only 70 years… ONE country that is hated so much in the ME has done 1000 times more than the Arab countries combined……FUNNY IS IT NOT….whats even more funny is that the ME only has moslems…but the Christians or Jews or anyone else is not in the ME… or do not xest…as you have mentioned only the moslems I said,………… “ARABS or even the Arab moslems”

      • Ghassan Karam

        Master09,
                      I understood your first post to imply that Arabs ( over 90% of whom are Moslems) have not had any major contributions even during the Arab empire. If I misunderstood you then I am sorry. No hard feelings.

        • master09

          Karam no need to be sorry, I am not someone who  ID a person by color , religion or by thier height. But as you mention it is the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement .IN the ME AS A WHOLE….. so you agree with that side….What hope is there for the people to Show the world how great we are as ,HUMANS…..that would be nice…
           
          God bless 

      • Ghassan Karam

        Master09,
                      I understood your first post to imply that Arabs ( over 90% of whom are Moslems) have not had any major contributions even during the Arab empire. If I misunderstood you then I am sorry. No hard feelings.

        • master09

          Karam no need to be sorry, I am not someone who  ID a person by color , religion or by thier height. But as you mention it is the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement .IN the ME AS A WHOLE….. so you agree with that side….What hope is there for the people to Show the world how great we are as ,HUMANS…..that would be nice…
           
          God bless 

    • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

      Those who leave advance because they are away from all the ME bullsh1t, and they only do that when they adapt, and most your refugees don’t, they drag thatn7th century crutch with them. Your facts are false, so stop with it, Islam is the scourge of the world and should be eradicated like nazism and communism..the other big problem is the marriage to relatives..inbreeding causes retardation case in point most the Arab population.the ones that didn’t take slaves or marry the cousin are the only ones that have any brains.the rest of you make up conspiracy theories about everything and fail to learn what is real and what is fakery based on your book written by the pedophile

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

        I don’t mean to be harsh,but it’s the sad reality that you all refuse to wake up from

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        for the record comunism is still alive and isnt eradicated, get r facts right

        • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

          Barely, quit covering for them

    • MeYosemite

      Ghassan
      I disagree on the conclusions you make out of your facts. But your last accusation is very disappointing.

  • Ghassan Karam

    Constantin7/meYosemite/Master09…
                                                          Let us look closely at some of the facts:

    (1) The major study Why Nations Fail looked at all the popular theories that have attempted to explain the inability of nations to grow and prosper including, religion, culture, climate, natural resources… Each and every explanation was deemed wanting. Open and democratic institutions was the only criteria that mattered if a country was to evolve and grow.  Excellent examples can be seen in South Korea, Japan and even China of the past 30 years.

    (2) The Moslem Arab thinkers dominated practically every single field of knowledge all over the world at the height of the Arab empire that stretched from Spain to India.

    (3) Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are three moslem societies that are way ahead of the dismal numbers shown for the Arab world in this study.

    (4) A large number of European and US intellectuals , physicians and Engineers are Moslem Arabs. Actually 54 % of the Arab students that study abroad do not come back to their countries of origin creating one of the largest brain drains in the world.

    (5) Moslem Arabs who have had to emigrate have been very successful in their adopted homes.

    (6) The above demonstrate clearly that it is not religious beliefs but the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement.

    If after seeing the above you persist in blaming ones religious beliefs for the ability to grow and advance then you must be a sectarian bigot who will ignore the facts and twist reality in order to fit into a preconceived narrow-minded and prejudiced sectarian vision.

    • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

      Those who leave advance because they are away from all the ME bullsh1t, and they only do that when they adapt, and most your refugees don’t, they drag thatn7th century crutch with them. Your facts are false, so stop with it, Islam is the scourge of the world and should be eradicated like nazism and communism..the other big problem is the marriage to relatives..inbreeding causes retardation case in point most the Arab population.the ones that didn’t take slaves or marry the cousin are the only ones that have any brains.the rest of you make up conspiracy theories about everything and fail to learn what is real and what is fakery based on your book written by the pedophile

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

        I don’t mean to be harsh,but it’s the sad reality that you all refuse to wake up from

  • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

    Constantin7/meYosemite/Master09…
                                                          Let us look closely at some of the facts:

    (1) The major study Why Nations Fail looked at all the popular theories that have attempted to explain the inability of nations to grow and prosper including, religion, culture, climate, natural resources… Each and every explanation was deemed wanting. Open and democratic institutions was the only criteria that mattered if a country was to evolve and grow.  Excellent examples can be seen in South Korea, Japan and even China of the past 30 years.

    (2) The Moslem Arab thinkers dominated practically every single field of knowledge all over the world at the height of the Arab empire that stretched from Spain to India.

    (3) Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are three moslem societies that are way ahead of the dismal numbers shown for the Arab world in this study.

    (4) A large number of European and US intellectuals , physicians and Engineers are Moslem Arabs. Actually 54 % of the Arab students that study abroad do not come back to their countries of origin creating one of the largest brain drains in the world.

    (5) Moslem Arabs who have had to emigrate have been very successful in their adopted homes.

    (6) The above demonstrate clearly that it is not religious beliefs but the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement.

    If after seeing the above you persist in blaming ones religious beliefs for the ability to grow and advance then you must be a sectarian bigot who will ignore the facts and twist reality in order to fit into a preconceived narrow-minded and prejudiced sectarian vision.

    • master09

      You miss the point it is the ones that control the people…..the leaders the governments who brainwash the people.. Who said anything about the  individual or Religion in the individual, I myself am talking about the ARAB nations who hold their people BACK FROM BEEN THE BEST THEY CAN BE, YES, NO WHAT DO YOU THINK.
       …
      80% of Christians who go out of the ME, Lebanon are successful. In my family alone we have 6 dr, with 2 on the way, 9 lawyers and 1 prof…who had to leave for these  opportunities …… SO Karam I am not talking about the person ,or religion, It is our governments who do nothing for their people..AS YOU HAVE CLEARLY STATED ABOVE 

       “Actually 54 % of the Arab students that study abroad do not come back to their countries of origin creating one of the largest brain drains in the world ‘.(Karam)
      That above said ,proves that the ME is living in the middle ages if they do not want or allow their people to use the brain for the good of man… SO THEY GO ABROAD AS YOU SAY ……how does this prove your point….about our ME NATIONS and leaders, NOT INDIVIDUALS…    FUNNY IS IT NOT… 

      What have ME NATIONS claimed for their own as an invention or a cure in medicine or anything for that matter in the last only 70 years… ONE country that is hated so much in the ME has done 1000 times more than the Arab countries combined……FUNNY IS IT NOT….

      • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

        Master09,
                      I understood your first post to imply that Arabs ( over 90% of whom are Moslems) have not had any major contributions even during the Arab empire. If I misunderstood you then I am sorry. No hard feelings.

        • master09

          Karam no need to be sorry, I am not someone who  ID a person by color , religion or by thier height. But as you mention it is the social and political institutions that are responsible for advancement/lack of advancement .IN the ME AS A WHOLE….. so you agree with that side….What hope is there for the people to Show the world how great we are as ,HUMANS…..that would be nice…
           
          God bless 

    • http://www.iranaware.com/ Iran Aware

      Those who leave advance because they are away from all the ME bullsh1t, and they only do that when they adapt, and most your refugees don’t, they drag thatn7th century crutch with them. Your facts are false, so stop with it, Islam is the scourge of the world and should be eradicated like nazism and communism..

      • http://www.iranaware.com/ Iran Aware

        I don’t mean to be harsh,but it’s the sad reality that you all refuse to wake up from

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        for the record comunism is still alive and isnt eradicated, get r facts right

        • http://www.iranaware.com/ Iran Aware

          Barely, quit covering for them

    • MeYosemite

      Ghassan
      I disagree on the conclusions you make out of your facts. But your last accusation is very disappointing.

  • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

    1 word is the cause of it all and all Muslims won’t admit it…Islam

  • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

    1 word is the cause of it all and all Muslims won’t admit it…Islam

  • http://www.iranaware.com/ Iran Aware

    1 word is the cause of it all and all Muslims won’t admit it…Islam

  • 5thDrawer

    D’accord. We’ve been crying for a long time …
    In education, there is a need to create a desire for education. That is the main purpose of a formal education. And it does not require a university to awaken that desire. Indeed, it should be be something allowed and encouraged from the very beginning of life. When the questing mind of a human cannot freely have access to what it seeks, it stagnates.
    One should be seeking answers in ALL of life. We can never learn everything … but should be always trying to learn.

    • Ghassan Karam

      5thDrawer,
                    I usually do not like to speak about personal issues on a public forum but this discussion has reminded me of the fact that my 16 month old granddaughter has probably 150-200 books already and believe me when I say her favourite activity is to sit with books and magazines and have grown ups read for her.

      • 5thDrawer

        Hi Ghassan:
          Yah .. getting personal seems dangerous sometimes, eh? ;-)
        I too observe the grandchildren … we can learn from them. I have two with the same opportunity to read and listen as much as they wish … and it is good. I try to be ‘neutral’ when answering a question from them – and often notice my own quirks in that attempt. :-) 
        But they are boys. Different than girls. Since I had experience with one of each, I know. :-)
        Et Viva la difference, to be sure. But boys seek answers to different questions usually. The best thing in that case is to allow them to be playing with the neighbour girls as much as possible – to ’round out’ the experiences of each will allow them to understand how to be friends later in life. It is ‘friendship’ that carries us in it.

  • 5thDrawer

    D’accord. We’ve been crying for a long time …

    • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

      5thDrawer,
                    I usually do not like to speak about personal issues on a public forum but this discussion has reminded me of the fact that my 16 month old granddaughter has probably 150-200 books already and believe me when I say her favourite activity is to sit with books and magazines and have grown ups read for her.

      • 5thDrawer

        Hi Ghassan:
          Yah .. getting personal seems dangerous sometimes, eh? ;-)
        I too observe the grandchildren … we can learn from them. I have two with the same opportunity to read and listen as much as they wish … and it is good. I try to be ‘neutral’ when answering a question – and often notice my own quirks in that attempt. :-) 
        But they are boys. Different than girls. Since I had experience with one of each, I know. :-)
        Et Viva la difference, to be sure. But boys seek answers to different questions usually. The best thing in that case is to allow them to be playing with the neighbour girls as much as possible – to ’round out’ the experiences of each will allow them to understand how to be friends later in life. It is ‘friendship’ that carries us in it.

  • rossoferrari

    Honestly, I liked everyone’s input and admired the exchange in what seems to be facts, opinion, recommendation…Look at us abroad making sense of reality on the ground, but yet able to communicate and admit to our past and forthcoming and unavoidable shortfalls. I applaud your openness and your attempt to make a change, a change for a better world and a country we can someday return to and enjoy. Peace

  • rossoferrari

    Honestly, I liked everyone’s input and admired the exchange in what seems to be facts, opinion, recommendation…Look at us abroad making sense of reality on the ground, but yet able to communicate and admit to our past and forthcoming and unavoidable shortfalls. I applaud your openness and your attempt to make a change, a change for a better world and a country we can someday return to and enjoy. Peace

  • Fauzia45

    The only questions they ask are those that have been answered years and years ago! The only way to move and progress is to separate religion and state!!Religion is personal !!The state should deal with people s welfare,health,and proper education  which respects the dignity and equality of opportunity which is necessary for any progress in any society!!

    • Ghassan Karam

      Fawzia,
                Why Nations Fail is already a reference. The press reports that China has set up a commission to study the book in order to avoid the mistakes that are inevitably committed . One such mistake is to allow the state sector to grow. That looks as if it is dealing with pressing equality issues but as it turns out these institutions grow and become less responsive and less dynamic. The authors are not ideological but are essentially saying that whenever possible institutions should be democratic, responsive and dynamic.

      • master09

        Mr Karam I want to ask you, what you think about this dude Michael Snowden comments above…..in fact what do the people also think on this forum. This is what he wrote..

        Expand As a Zionist the comments made by Constantin 7/Me Yosemite/Master09 are complete infantile drivel Ghassan Karam is the only one in this forum that speaks the truth. Reading, learning, studying are the evil ideals of the
        Zionist West. The Muslim people should only listen to the words of their imam who is the only one who can
        explain the teachings of the Quaran. All the science and knowledge that a Muslim needs to know is in the Quran.
        LISTEN , PRAY , WORK and PROCREATE LEAVE THE THINKING TO YOUR IMAM.

        good day..

        • Ghassan Karam

          master09,
                    There is nothing that you can say to people like Michael Snowden. It is best to ignore them. A dialogue with a person who shares his point of view will be fruitless and a waste of time.

  • Fauzia45

    The only questions they ask are those that have been answered years and years ago! The only way to move and progress is to separate religion and state!!Religion is personal !!The state should deal with people s welfare,health,and proper education  which respects the dignity and equality of opportunity which is necessary for any progress in any society!!

    • Ghassan Karam

      Fawzia,
                Why Nations Fail is already a reference. The press reports that China has set up a commission to study the book in order to avoid the mistakes that are inevitably committed . One such mistake is to allow the state sector to grow. That looks as if it is dealing with pressing equality issues but as it turns out these institutions grow and become less responsive and less dynamic. The authors are not ideological but are essentially saying that whenever possible institutions should be democratic, responsive and dynamic.

      • master09

        Mr Karam I want to ask you, what you think about this dude Michael Snowden comments above…..in fact what do the people also think on this forum. This is what he wrote..

        Expand As a Zionist the comments made by Constantin 7/Me Yosemite/Master09 are complete infantile drivel Ghassan Karam is the only one in this forum that speaks the truth. Reading, learning, studying are the evil ideals of the
        Zionist West. The Muslim people should only listen to the words of their imam who is the only one who can
        explain the teachings of the Quaran. All the science and knowledge that a Muslim needs to know is in the Quran.
        LISTEN , PRAY , WORK and PROCREATE LEAVE THE THINKING TO YOUR IMAM.

        good day..

  • Fauzia45

    The only questions they ask are those that have been answered years and years ago! The only way to move and progress is to separate religion and state!!Religion is personal !!The state should deal with people s welfare,health,and proper education  which respects the dignity and equality of opportunity which is necessary for any progress in any society!!

    • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

      Fawzia,
                Why Nations Fail is already a reference. The press reports that China has set up a commission to study the book in order to avoid the mistakes that are inevitably committed . One such mistake is to allow the state sector to grow. That looks as if it is dealing with pressing equality issues but as it turns out these institutions grow and become less responsive and less dynamic. The authors are not ideological but are essentially saying that whenever possible institutions should be democratic, responsive and dynamic.

      • master09

        Mr Karam I want to ask you, what you think about this dude Michael Snowden comments above……
        good day..

        • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

          master09,
                    There is nothing that you can say to people like Michael Snowden. It is best to ignore them. A dialogue with a person who shares his point of view will be fruitless and a waste of time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/67ZL3KWBQ7TUBYO64DTPIRDBPY Michael Snowden

    As a Zionist the comments made by Constantin 7/Me Yosemite/Master09 are complete infantile drivel Ghassan Karam is the only one in this forum that speaks the truth. Reading, learning, studying are the evil ideals of the
    Zionist West. The Muslim people should only listen to the words of their imam who is the only one who can
    explain the teachings of the Quaran. All the science and knowledge that a Muslim needs to know is in the Quran.
    LISTEN , PRAY , WORK and PROCREATE  LEAVE THE THINKING TO YOUR IMAM.

    • master09

      How much white snow can one shavel, Yes you are rite on your comments. Well said it is the evil ideals of the ZIONIST west, those bastards who have moved this world forward in 70 years to a point where it would take others 1 million.. good point you make…we should have more FREE thinkers to put the world back 2 million years… Oh and do not forget those women, we should keep them in the kitchen and in the other room with legs open for when we need them at our demands.. those low life good for nothing women….. cover them all up…. where is all that snow coming from….
      Ask Karam Ghasan what he thinks of what you rite……CLAP ,CLAP, CLAP…..       

    • 5thDrawer

      If you think all western thinking is ‘zionist’, we can tell where your education came from, Mr Boku Haram idiot. Taking the name of an Englishman on here I suppose was your idea of an insult. But then you had to open your mouth and let us all know just how you are programmed … and I’m sure Ghassan doesn’t appreciate your praise after that.
      If I had listened to your Imam, I might be the same … but I like to think not. I’ll praise Allah/God/Yaweh/Ra for a brain, and helping me avoid your Imam instead.
      And if you’re simply trying to be facetious, it doesn’t work, because there’s no smiley after. ;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

      now that is the wisest thing i have heard all morning. this is a man who doesnt try to produce bulshit to readers and claims that his opinions are supported.

      • master09

        No but your opinions are, rite….the one who claims that all three books are the same but only reads one…. wow must look up the word…. fool… 

      • master09

        No but your opinions are, rite….the one who claims that all three books are the same but only reads one…. wow must look up the word…. fool… 

    • Constantin7

      This is a true muslim who does not want to think and leaves the thinking for the Imam.
      My advise to you is when you are going to die, this imam, in whom you put all your faith in, is not going to save you from hell or wherever you’re going to go. This imam is only a brainwashed human whose mission is to continue the brainwashing generation after generation. It is your will to accept this brainwashing or to THINK and USE the BRAIN that GOD gave you. If you decide you do not want to use your brain and believe in someone who killed, raped and stole and forced others by the sword to believe in him as a messenger of God, then it is your choice. Thank God for the internet and the information technology revolution which allows anyone to be informed and educated if they want to.

      Islam if finally going down the drain because of the information technology. Muslims are learning the truth about their supposed religion and are using their brains and discovering the real GOD who came to earth in flesh to save humanity from the inherited sin.
      All praise be to Jesus Christ our lord and our savior he alone can touch the souls and hearts of my muslim friends and compatriots and show them the way, the truth and the LIFE. Please my muslim friends ask Jesus to show you the truth, and he will without any doubt, just ask. Jesus said: knock on the door and I’ll open it for you. 
      Jesus said “love your ennemies, bless those who curse you” and Mohammad said ” kill everyone who does not believe in Allah and his messenger” “curse the Christians and the Jews the descendents of monkeys and pigs”. Jesus gave his life to save humanity so that others believe in him, Mohammad killed others so that they believe in him. Use your brains and tell me who looks, sounds, behaves as someone from God?
      I’ll keep posting on this site and others and won’t stop trying to save your souls my muslim friends.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/67ZL3KWBQ7TUBYO64DTPIRDBPY Michael Snowden

    As a Zionist the comments made by Constantin 7/Me Yosemite/Master09 are complete infantile drivel Ghassan Karam is the only one in this forum that speaks the truth. Reading, learning, studying are the evil ideals of the
    Zionist West. The Muslim people should only listen to the words of their imam who is the only one who can
    explain the teachings of the Quaran. All the science and knowledge that a Muslim needs to know is in the Quran.
    LISTEN , PRAY , WORK and PROCREATE  LEAVE THE THINKING TO YOUR IMAM.

    • master09

      How much white snow can one shavel, Yes you are rite on your comments. Well said it is the evil ideals of the ZIONIST west, those bastards who have moved this world forward in 70 years to a point where it would take others 1 million.. good point you make…we should have more FREE thinkers to put the world back 2 million years… Oh and do not forget those women, we should keep them in the kitchen and in the other room with legs open for when we need them at our demands.. those low life good for nothing women….. cover them all up…. where is all that snow coming from….
      Ask Karam Ghasan what he thinks of what you rite……CLAP ,CLAP, CLAP…..       

    • 5thDrawer

      If you think all western thinking is ‘zionist’, we can tell where your education came from, Mr Boku Haram idiot. Taking the name of an Englishman on here I suppose was your idea of an insult. But then you had to open your mouth and let us all know just how you are programmed … and I’m sure Ghassan doesn’t appreciate your praise after that.
      If I had listened to your Imam, I might be the same … but I like to think not. I’ll praise Allah/God/Yaweh/Ra for a brain, and helping me avoid your Imam instead.
      And if you’re simply trying to be facetious, it doesn’t work, because there’s no smiley after. ;-)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/67ZL3KWBQ7TUBYO64DTPIRDBPY Michael Snowden

    As a Zionist the comments made by Constantin 7/Me Yosemite/Master09 are complete infantile drivel Ghassan Karam is the only one in this forum that speaks the truth. Reading, learning, studying are the evil ideals of the
    Zionist West. The Muslim people should only listen to the words of their imam who is the only one who can
    explain the teachings of the Quaran. All the science and knowledge that a Muslim needs to know is in the Quran.
    LISTEN , PRAY , WORK and PROCREATE  LEAVE THE THINKING TO YOUR IMAM.

    • master09

      How much white snow can one shavel, Yes you are rite on your comments. Well said it is the evil ideals of the ZIONIST west, those bastards who have moved this world forward in 70 years to a point where it would take others 1 million.. good point you make…we should have more FREE thinkers to put the world back 2 million years… Oh and do not forget those women, we should keep them in the kitchen and in the other room with legs open for when we need them at our demands.. those low life good for nothing women….. cover them all up…. where is all that snow coming from….
      Ask Karam Ghasan what he thinks of what you rite……CLAP ,CLAP, CLAP…..       

    • 5thDrawer

      If you think all western thinking is ‘zionist’, we can tell where your education came from, Mr Boku Haram idiot. Taking the name of an Englishman on here I suppose was your idea of an insult. But then you had to open your mouth and let us all know just how you are programmed … and I’m sure Ghassan doesn’t appreciate your praise after that.
      If I had listened to your Imam, I might be the same … but I like to think not. I’ll praise Allah/God/Yaweh/Ra for a brain, and helping me avoid your Imam instead.
      And if you’re simply trying to be facetious, it doesn’t work, because there’s no smiley after. ;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

      now that is the wisest thing i have heard all morning. this is a man who doesnt try to produce bulshit to readers and claims that his opinions are supported.

      • master09

        No but your opinions are, rite….the one who claims that all three books are the same but only reads one…. wow must look up the word…. fool… 

    • Constantin7

      This is a true muslim who does not want to think and leaves the thinking for the Imam.
      My advise to you is when you are going to die, this imam, in whom you put all your faith in, is not going to save you from hell or wherever you’re going to go. This imam is only a brainwashed human whose mission is to continue the brainwashing generation after generation. It is your will to accept this brainwashing or to THINK and USE the BRAIN that GOD gave you. If you decide you do not want to use your brain and believe in someone who killed, raped and stole and forced others by the sword to believe in him as a messenger of God, then it is your choice. Thank God for the internet and the information technology revolution which allows anyone to be informed and educated if they want to.

      Islam if finally going down the drain because of the information technology. Muslims are learning the truth about their supposed religion and are using their brains and discovering the real GOD who came to earth in flesh to save humanity from the inherited sin.
      All praise be to Jesus Christ our lord and our savior he alone can touch the souls and hearts of my muslim friends and compatriots and show them the way, the truth and the LIFE. Please my muslim friends ask Jesus to show you the truth, and he will without any doubt, just ask. Jesus said: knock on the door and I’ll open it for you. 
      Jesus said “love your ennemies, bless those who curse you” and Mohammad said ” kill everyone who does not believe in Allah and his messenger” “curse the Christians and the Jews the descendents of monkeys and pigs”. Jesus gave his life to save humanity so that others believe in him, Mohammad killed others so that they believe in him. Use your brains and tell me who looks, sounds, behaves as someone from God?
      I’ll keep posting on this site and others and won’t stop trying to save your souls my muslim friends.

  • Prophettttt

     Ghassan, Nations can fail for many different reasons, but most importantly, fail when their leaders are strong believers of  their own rights to silence any human who dares to oppose them.

    • Ghassan Karam

      Prophettttt
                     The main point of Why Nations Fail is to discount all the traditional theories that relate success to natural resources, climate, culture, … It is concluded that a state that has open dynamic institutions does not fail. One can argue that there are a huge variety of reasons that prevent the rise of such institutions but in general one can suggest that a well educated society that is dynamic i.e. open and NOT a statist will prosper more than its counter part with rigid, closed and unresponsive institutions. The institutional structure of the US is currently not as dynamic and as free as it was or as it could be Back to the Arab world, the best and the most opened institutional structure in the Arab world , ironically, is found in the UAE and I guess that Syria, Egypt, Libya Lebanon are places where such institutions are lacking.

      • 5thDrawer

        Where perhaps all OPEN institutions are lacking ??

  • Prophettttt

     Ghassan, Nations can fail for many different reasons, but most importantly, fail when their leaders are strong believers of  their own rights to silence any human who dares to oppose them.

  • Prophettttt

     Ghassan, Nations can fail for many different reasons, but most importantly, fail when their leaders are strong believers of  their own rights to silence any human who dares to oppose them.

    • http://profiles.google.com/karam.ghassan Ghassan Karam

      Prophettttt
                     The main point of Why Nations Fail is to discount all the traditional theories that relate success to natural resources, climate, culture, … It is concluded that a state that has open dynamic institutions does not fail. One can argue that there are a huge variety of reasons that prevent the rise of such institutions but in general one can suggest that a well educated society that is dynamic i.e. open and NOT a statist will prosper more than its counter part with rigid, closed and unresponsive institutions. The institutional structure of the US is currently not as dynamic and as free as it was or as it could be Back to the Arab world, the best and the most opened institutional structure in the Arab world , ironically, is found in the UAE and I guess that Syria, Egypt, Libya Lebanon are places where such institutions are lacking.

      • 5thDrawer

        Where perhaps all OPEN institutions are lacking ??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

    the book is created by god. so u calling god a pedophile. wat a retard. not even western philisophers think like u. the pope himself would have u excommunicated from the faith if u were a catholic ;0 wat the the comment is gone lol. for people who didnt see the comment. a guy said the person who created the quraan is a pedophile. in islam god was the one who is the creator of the holy book as in christianity as in judaism. so this guy offended all the faiths

    • 5thDrawer

      Pardon me Da … the only words ascribed to God himself were written on a couple of stone slabs given to Moses, they say, beside a burning bush. Conveniently, he smashed them in anger … so they say … and there is much doubt there was a total of even 10 commandments on them.
      All the rest was written by MEN.
      Get real.
      And it seems to me the number ONE main commandment has been ignored ever since.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        saying the ten comandments does not exist just means u opppose the faith of billions on this planet. get real man ur all alone in this one. your outnumbered billions to 1. atheists should just keep their comments to themselves.

        • 5thDrawer

          Do I need to be like the ‘Billions’, Da? But you don’t read what I say. I didn’t say they didn’t exist. Who the author(s) of them were was my basic point. Men.
          Read the Nag Hammadi if you want to count how many originally. It’s something like the tales of The Thousand Nights and One Night – only much earlier in thought. Perhaps similar to the Iliad and the Oddessy – yet earlier still. And interesting in the sense of how much early humans had to ‘imagine’ about the universe, social interaction, and various events when accumulated knowledge was sparse.
          “If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.” — G. K. Chesterton
          Like that one? ;-)
          It is MAN who has written the ‘rules’ of religions. I prefer to believe the spirit of God is IN Man. And that first commandment comes from ancient witnesses to how humans, without rules of how to live together, can easily destroy themselves as a species because of their weaknesses. They thrive only in social communities.
          Although personally dangerous I realize, I will not take any ‘orders’ from anyone on how to live a daily life that prevents me from seeking myself, or all I wish to discover in the world around me.
          I like to think I have a free mind.
          You should also feel free enough to seek your own answers to ‘the meaning’. That is what humans have looked for, isn’t it?

    • master09

      It was written by man as a copy…with changes to suite the man.. in power… The bible was written as evidence sent from GOD by witnesses of JESUS Christ… things was seen and done infront of humanity…. Jesus did not go out for seven years into the mountains and than come back and say … LOOK PEOPLE GOD SPOKE TO ME…WITH NO EVIDENCE…. IT WAS WRITTEN BY EYE WITNESSES OF THE HOLY WORK DONE BY JESUS AND BEFORE WITH WITNESSES…. THE BOOK YOUR TALKING ABOUT WAS WRITTEN WITH NO WITNESS…… NO FACTS ON WHO WROTE IT OR WHERE IT WAS COPIED AND CHANGED TO SUITE THE MAN IN POWER……LIKE 4 WIVES AND THE NON BELIEVER AND SO ON…. YOU ARE CRAPPING LIKE THE REST,, WHERE IS YOUR FACTS . PLEASE SHOW…. BUT YOU CAN NOT.. WHY BECAUSE HE WAS ALSO SMART TO PUT IN…….DO NOT QUESTION THE BOOK…..SO YOU CAN NOT BE IT RITE OR WRONG..
      Keep watch, be awake because there will come false prophets who claim to be and will trick you to believe..be wide awake….. I can see many people fell asleep….

      SOMEONE WHO CALLS ANOTHER A FOOL IS EVEN A GREATER ONE..

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        exactly u cannot be right or wrong and u also have no evidence or references to support ur claim. and besides there can be a million opinions and stories on this matter and u just supported the most stupidest of them all. the point is the major faiths which number in the billions does not recodnise r claim so r all alone in this one. denying a religion that is mixed with the jude and christian faith is not wise man. besides if there was no witnessess then how the hell did so many come to recoidnise the religion. as usual following unrecodnised sources that isnt even validated by the major faiths.

        • 5thDrawer

          Witness … in Greek, ‘Martur’ … and for sure I guess there were a lot of ‘Martyrs’ to the ages of blood on the ground. We witness it still.

        • master09

          Than WHY, why do you believe one but not the other two books…….if any add anything to the book……….they shall be punished.
          and if any take anything away from the profhetic words of this book, the fruits shall be taken away…..
          So if the book is a mix of the two books and you do not beleive the others,, wow 1 BILLION PEOPLE HAVE JUST shot themselves in the foot..that is a lot of FOOLS…
          Why so many follow, well when you kill all the men with your army and take the wives as booty calls that is how.. Die or be, he lived by the sword and all he was is a man who was a leader of a big army, that forced it by the sword…..kill the unbelievers. he was saying those who do not follow my name must die… now we should make him the saint of DEATH…… a fool must follow a fool

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

    the book is created by god. so u calling god a pedophile. wat a retard. not even western philisophers think like u. the pope himself would have u excommunicated from the faith if u were a catholic ;0 wat the the comment is gone lol. for people who didnt see the comment. a guy said the person who created the quraan is a pedophile. in islam god was the one who is the creator of the holy book as in christianity as in judaism. so this guy offended all the faiths

    • 5thDrawer

      Pardon me Da … the only words ascribed to God himself were written on a couple of stone slabs given to Moses, they say, beside a burning bush. Conveniently, he smashed them in anger … so they say … and there is much doubt there was a total of even 10 commandments on them.
      All the rest was written by MEN.
      Get real.
      And it seems to me the number ONE main commandment has been ignored ever since.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        saying the ten comandments does not exist just means u opppose the faith of billions on this planet. get real man ur all alone in this one. your outnumbered billions to 1. atheists should just keep their comments to themselves.

        • 5thDrawer

          Do I need to be like the ‘Billions’, Da? But you don’t read what I say. I didn’t say they didn’t exist. Who the author(s) of them were was my basic point. Men.
          Read the Nag Hammadi if you want to count how many originally. It’s something like the tales of The Thousand Nights and One Night – only much earlier in thought. Perhaps similar to the Iliad and the Oddessy – yet earlier still. And interesting in the sense of how much early humans had to ‘imagine’ about the universe, social interaction, and various events when accumulated knowledge was sparse.
          “If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.” — G. K. Chesterton
          Like that one? ;-)
          It is MAN who has written the ‘rules’ of religions. I prefer to believe the spirit of God is IN Man. And that first commandment comes from ancient witnesses to how humans, without rules of how to live together, can easily destroy themselves as a species because of their weaknesses. They thrive only in social communities.
          Although personally dangerous I realize, I will not take any ‘orders’ from anyone on how to live a daily life that prevents me from seeking myself, or all I wish to discover in the world around me.
          I like to think I have a free mind.
          You should also feel free enough to seek your own answers to ‘the meaning’. That is what humans have looked for, isn’t it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

    the book is created by god. so u calling god a pedophile. wat a retard. not even western philisophers think like u. the pope himself would have u excommunicated from the faith if u were a catholic ;0 wat the the comment is gone lol. for people who didnt see the comment. a guy said the person who created the quraan is a pedophile. in islam god was the one who is the creator of the holy book as in christianity as in judaism. so this guy offended all the faiths

    • 5thDrawer

      Pardon me Da … they only words ascribed to God himself were written on a couple of stone slabs given to Moses, they say, beside a burning bush. Conveniently, he smashed them in anger … so they say … and there is much doubt there was a total of even 10 commandments on them.
      All the rest was written by MEN.
      Get real.
      And it seems to me the number ONE main commandment has been ignored ever since.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        saying the ten comandments does not exist just means u opppose the faith of billions on this planet. get real man ur all alone in this one. your outnumbered billions to 1. atheists should just keep their comments to themselves.

        • 5thDrawer

          Do I need to be like the ‘Billions’, Da? But you don’t read what I say. I didn’t say they didn’t exist. Who the author(s) of them were was my basic point. Men.
          Read the Nag Hammadi if you want to count how many originally. It’s something like the tales of The Thousand Nights and One Night – only much earlier in thought. Perhaps similar to the Iliad and the Oddessy – yet earlier still. And interesting in the sense of how much early humans had to ‘imagine’ about the universe, social interaction, and various events when accumulated knowledge was sparse.
          “If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.” — G. K. Chesterton
          Like that one? ;-)
          It is MAN who has written the ‘rules’ of religions. I prefer to believe the spirit of God is IN Man. And that first commandment comes from ancient witnesses to how humans, without rules of how to live together, can easily destroy themselves as a species because of their weaknesses. They thrive only in social communities.
          Although personally dangerous I realize, I will not take any ‘orders’ from anyone on how to live a daily life that prevents me from seeking myself, or all I wish to discover in the world around me.
          I like to think I have a free mind … and you should also feel free enough to seek your own answers to ‘the meaning’.

    • master09

      It was written by man as a copy…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        exactly u cannot be right or wrong and u also have no evidence or references to support ur claim. and besides there can be a million opinions and stories on this matter and u just supported the most stupidest of them all. the point is the major faiths which number in the billions does not recodnise r claim so r all alone in this one. denying a religion that is mixed with the jude and christian faith is not wise man. besides if there was no witnessess then how the hell did so many come to recoidnise the religion. as usual following unrecodnised sources that isnt even validated by the major faiths.

        • 5thDrawer

          Witness … in Greek, ‘Martur’ … and for sure I guess there were a lot of ‘Martyrs’ to the ages of blood on the ground. We witness it still.

        • master09

          Than WHY, why do you believe one but not the other two books…….if any add anything to the book……….they shall be punished.
          and if any take anything away from the profhetic words of this book, the fruits shall be taken away…..
          So if the book is a mix of the two books and you do not beleive the others,, wow 1 BILLION PEOPLE HAVE JUST shot themselves in the foot..that is a lot of FOOLS…

  • Philassie

    There is a simple solution: turn from jealous hate of Israel to acceptance and learning from it.  Israel was a malarial backwater, forgotten and ignored by all (regardless of what Palestinians invent today), with not a single resource to talk of and weather hostile to agriculture. Now it is an OECD country, exploding with scientific breakthroughs, a world leader in agriculture and alternative energies, at the top of the list in life expectancy, happiness, HDI, etc.  The Arab states, focused as ever on telling themselves stories and blaming “Zionists” for everything are a pitiful show.  And this has nothing to do with aid money. Israel gets money it has to spend in the US and only started getting it in the 1970s.  The Arab states without exception benefitted from waterfalls of USSR money in addition to their oil. Those that didn’t get US aid.  Grow up. And that starts with a look in the mirror.

    • 5thDrawer

      Yes, USAID is in Lebanon too.

  • Pass26

    There is a simple solution: turn from jealous hate of Israel to acceptance and learning from it.  Israel was a malarial backwater, forgotten and ignored by all (regardless of what Palestinians invent today), with not a single resource to talk of and weather hostile to agriculture. Now it is an OECD country, exploding with scientific breakthroughs, a world leader in agriculture and alternative energies, at the top of the list in life expectancy, happiness, HDI, etc.  The Arabs, focused as ever on telling themselves stories and blaming “Zionists” for everything are a pitiful show.  And this has nothing to do with aid money. Israel gets money it has to spend in the US and only started getting it in the 1970s.  The Arab states without exception benefitted from waterfalls of USSR money in addition to their oil. Those that didn’t get US aid.  Grow up. And that starts with a look in the mirror.

    • 5thDrawer

      Yes, USAID is in Lebanon too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ayad.hamid.904 Ayad Hamid

    hello 

    • master09

      Helloooo

      • 5thDrawer

        Helloooooo 
        (Is there an echo in here ?)

    • master09

      Helloooo

  • http://www.facebook.com/ayad.hamid.904 Ayad Hamid

    hello 

    • master09

      Helloooo

      • 5thDrawer

        Helloooooo 
        (Is there an echo in here ?)

  • Sydney Oz

    Up until the 1840’s Doctors in the west believed it was ‘unhygienic” to wash their hands before an examination or operation on a patient, whereas MUSLIMS had been doing it for nearly 1300 years ALREADY… Too funny. 

    • 5thDrawer

      Yes Sydney … the lack of dissemination of viable information because of lack of translation skills, willingness to share it, and/or distrust of a ‘strange’ source; or simply disconnection from information by distance and time and lack of books – all factors in human errors of thinking. I’m sure the libraries of Alexandria being burned by the Romans set things back a little – although Egyptian doctors may have remembered a lot and passed on some to future generations.
       Now, of course, we have the internet. Good that the people everywhere can be more educated … when they choose to be …. right? ;-)

    • master09

      clap clap clap….lol.

    • master09

      clap clap clap….lol.

  • Sydney Oz

    Up until the 1840’s Doctors in the west believed it was ‘unhygienic” to wash their hands before an examination or operation on a patient, whereas MUSLIMS had been doing it for nearly 1300 years ALREADY… Too funny. 

    • 5thDrawer

      Yes Sydney … the lack of dissemination of viable information because of lack of translation skills, willingness to share it, and/or distrust of a ‘strange’ source; or simply disconnection from information by distance and time and lack of books – all factors in human errors of thinking. I’m sure the libraries of Alexandria being burned by the Romans set things back a little – although Egyptian doctors may have remembered a lot and passed on some to future generations.
       Now, of course, we have the internet. Good that the people everywhere can be more educated … when they choose to be …. right? ;-)

    • master09

      clap clap clap….lol.

  • herbcaen

    Palestinians are the most advanced in the Arab world- likely because of proximity to Israel

    • Hannibal

      Advanced how? At building refugee camps?

      • 5thDrawer

        I think Herb was talking about the Christian ones, Hannibal. ;-)

    • Hannibal

      Advanced how? At building refugee camps?

      • 5thDrawer

        I think Herb was talking about the Christian ones, Hannibal. ;-)

  • herbcaen

    Palestinians are the most advanced in the Arab world- likely because of proximity to Israel

    • http://www.cadmeia.com Hannibal

      Advanced how? At building refugee camps?

      • 5thDrawer

        I think Herb was talking about the Christian ones, Hannibal. ;-)

  • 5thDrawer

    D’accord. We’ve been crying for a long time …
    In education, there is a need to create a desire for education. That is the main purpose of a formal education. And it does not require a university to awaken that desire. Indeed, it should be be something allowed and encouraged from the very beginning of life. When the questing mind of a human cannot freely have access to what it seeks, it stagnates.
    One should be seeking answers in ALL of life. We can never learn everything … but should be always trying to learn.

  • Ghassan Karam

    5thDrawer,
                  I usually do not like to speak about personal issues on a public forum but this discussion has reminded me of the fact that my 16 month old granddaughter has probably 150-200 books already and believe me when I say her favourite activity is to sit with books and magazines and have grown ups read for her.

  • 5thDrawer

    Hi Ghassan:
      Yah .. getting personal seems dangerous sometimes, eh? ;-)
    I too observe the grandchildren … we can learn from them. I have two with the same opportunity to read and listen as much as they wish … and it is good. I try to be ‘neutral’ when answering a question from them – and often notice my own quirks in that attempt. :-) 
    But they are boys. Different than girls. Since I had experience with one of each, I know. :-)
    Et Viva la difference, to be sure. But boys seek answers to different questions usually. The best thing in that case is to allow them to be playing with the neighbour girls as much as possible – to ’round out’ the experiences of each will allow them to understand how to be friends later in life. It is ‘friendship’ that carries us in it.