Over 100,000 Defected from Syrian army , report

According to a report by AL Monitor Over 100,000 Defected from Syrian army and joined the Free Syrian Army . This was confirmed by a defected Syrian officer who was the former director of the Syrian Special Forces Operations Bureau under the command of Syria’s Air Force Intelligence.

Afak Ahmad confirmhttp://www.yalibnan.com/wp-admin/media-upload.php?post_id=42121&TB_iframe=1&width=640&height=473ed the defections in interview with al Hayat newspaper in Jordan. He spoke about the Air Force Intelligence role in the violence that has rocked Syria’s cities in the past year and a half. Ahmad, the first Alawite officer to defect, mentioned that Jordan has recently played host to 10 defected air force pilots.

Ahmad told the paper: “The facts on the ground in Syria favor the Free Syrian Army … Defections are now occurring more often than at any time before, especially among high-ranking officers.”

Ahmad said that a number of army officers are ready to defect at any time , adding that the army currently controls only two-thirds of Syria’s territory.

He told the paper that he decided to defect from the Syrian army after one of his fellow security officers went home to the governorate of Homs and was surprised to see that his house was bombed and that four of his cousins had died.

He confirmed that the number of defected officers, non-commissioned officers, and members from the police force, army, customs and general security exceeded 100,000 people. This is out of the 450,000 total personnel from all of the security agencies under the command of the Ministry of Defense.

Ahmad revealed that the number of shabbiha (informal, pro-government militiamen) exceeded 25,000. They reportedly come from different communities and receive a monthly salary of up to $500.

According to the AL Monitor report Ahmad placed the blame for killings and massacres — including the ones that took place in prisons and detention centers — on the Air Force Intelligence branch. He spoke about the shocking way the soldiers and officers treated dead bodies during the protests, adding that the martyrs were beaten and humiliated when they were transported in the soldiers’ trucks.

He reportedly saw with his own eyes around 120 bodies being hysterically beaten and insulted. He accused the regime of dragging the Alawite community into sectarian war against the Sunnis and the rest of the Syrian people using rhetoric like “The Salafists want to attack the Alawites and rape their women!” as a pretext. He revealed that many Alawites have been recently protesting and demanding the fall of the regime

AL Monitor

  • 5thDrawer

    Good to know … and good to know the more-professional soldiers have been the ones to defect sooner.
    Of course not all people of one ‘sect’ are the same … it’s the brainwashing and threats which hold them to any given path. Most do not enjoy killing of people of their own country, let alone others.
    The ‘paid miltias’ and Shabbiha cannot be expected to act in any professional sense … that any ‘officers’ have not, is simply due to their own backing of a despotic regime, and fear that they will lose their own elevated positions when Assad is gone. They would be better to consider events soon.

  • 5thDrawer

    Good to know … and good to know the more-professional soldiers have been the ones to defect sooner.
    Of course not all people of one ‘sect’ are the same … it’s the brainwashing and threats which hold them to any given path. Most do not enjoy killing of people of their own country, let alone others.
    The ‘paid miltias’ and Shabbiha cannot be expected to act in any professional sense … that any ‘officers’ have is simply due to their own backing of a despotic regime, and fear that they will lose their own elevated positions when Assad is gone. They would be better to consider events soon.

  • josephphdman

    assad is on his way out , soon the defectors number will triple and quadruple ; when the sunni soldier sees his sunni brother or sunni cousin soldier defecting , he will be next on the list to defect , specially when saudi arabia promissed to pay his salary so he could support his family ; regardless what iran and russia ,wants ,at the ends the will of the syrian people majorities will prevail , 16 milions sunnis versus 3 milons alawites , sooner or later the sunnis will regain controle of syria .

    • wargame1

      These minority Shias are well prepared as you can see Hezbushaitan is carrying arms and acting like a government within a government. Most of the Arab leaders are subservient and their hands are tied to react event if they want to. But these are the army which are independent and they are the one who will prevail inshallah. Army of Afghanistan , Iraq, Libya, Turkey ,Yemen , Morocco Tunisia Algeria etc. All these Army are NOT backed by the government rather they are anti government and they are independent in nature . 

      These Mujaheddin are the blow back of invasion by USA , Russia and Europe. Ordinary people , farmers took up arms against the occupation force and overtime these army now becoming very organized. Iran , Hezbushaitan are having a upper hand at the moment but soon they will find themselves in the quick sand as the sunnis are getting organized. 

      • Moe2000

        So Hezbollah was not a blow back for Israel invading and occupying Lebanon for 23 years? Did any Sunni’s die resisting the occupation of Lebanon? Or did the Sunni’s die killing Christians in Lebanon? Because i know us Shia didn’t start the Civil war we where 3rd class citizens with no roads schools infrastructure until Iran came and built it…. The only time the Shia took up arms was when we where invaded by Israel….

        • master09

          Moe the reason Iran sent money was so they can have HA hold the thousands of weapons and wage war on Isreal…But in 2006 how and by whom was the south built…NOT IRAN, 15 Billion of Lebanese money….
          On March 1991, parliament passed an amnesty law that pardoned all political crimes prior to its enactment. In May 1991, the militias (with the important exception of Hezbollah) were dissolved, and the Lebanese Armed Forces began to slowly rebuild themselves as Lebanon’s only major non-sectarian institution.
          I am not saying the Shiites are a problem in Lebanon what I am saying is Lebanon Army will never be given or sold good weapons because they know it will eventualy fall in the hands of HA…not the Shiites you see you make this about the SHIITES, but I am talking about HA…THE ARMY CAN NOT BE SUPPORTED IF HA HAS POWER OVER THEM.. DO YOU SEE WHY NO COUNTRY WILL GIVE WEAPONS TO THE LEBANESE ARMY…This is not about the Shiites.. its about a malitia group outside the government who is more powerful than the army, that would mean HA run the country so how will anyone support LEBANON…..???That is why fly over and spy and eye on Lebanon will always be and why Isreal will always check up on Lebanon, HA IS NOT A COUNTRY, THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS…..  

        • dateam

          to antar2011…fact1…yes it was resistance to all..but nasrallah did not takeover till 1992? yes they fought with amal same way christians fought christians as well( stupidity of the civil war) wilayet al faqeeh..dont agree with it…each to their own..fact2…i dont think they had a choice they werent formed yet then…your right about them being happy for israelis to come in because of the mess the palestinains caused…ironic so were the christians???? ( this was israels blunder of 1982..had they gone taken out the palestinians and not stayed we probably wouldnt be where we are now???? the christians it may bge said may have made the mistake of not asking the shiites to join them against the palestinians again past is past but their are are certain similarities???fact3…yes as part of resistence it was nearly everyone in certain areas….fact4…again wilayat alfaqeeh dont agree but then again certain christian groups wanted christian state as well( again all part of mess of civil war)….unfortunately what has become of palestinian cause but a lost cause.?????fact5 yes amal and hzb fought each other again as certain christian parties did for power struggles….bottom line noone is better than anyone…we need to fix this and to do it the state must take control…ALL our politicians need to be held accountable by all of us the citizens…god bless

        • MeYosemite

          I remember the fronts back in the civil war, palestinian camps, namely tel elzaatar and karantina, there were shiia and sunnis across the barricades on beirut western side, SSNP on the north and east, and the druze in south east. shiia and christians crossed brutally many times in the south, which drove some christians to seek Israeli help and other to leave permanently.
          This overwhelming pressure on christians and Pierre Gemayel fell in the ttrap and made the worst decision in his carreer and call in the syrians for protection. Now I believe the whole thing was an Assad senior devised plan to annex the country for free and all lebanese politicians were dumb puppets. The rest we know.

  • josephphdman

    assad is on his way out , soon the defectors number will triple and quadruple ; when the sunni soldier sees his sunni brother or sunni cousin soldier defecting , he will be next on the list to defect , specially when saudi arabia promissed to pay his salary so he could support his family ; regardless what iran and russia ,wants ,at the ends the will of the syrian people majorities will prevail , 16 milions sunnis versus 3 milons alawites , sooner or later the sunnis will regain controle of syria .

    • wargame1

      These minority Shias are well prepared as you can see Hezbushaitan is carrying arms and acting like a government within a government. Most of the Arab leaders are subservient and their hands are tied to react event if they want to. But these are the army which are independent and they are the one who will prevail inshallah. Army of Afghanistan , Iraq, Libya, Turkey ,Yemen , Morocco Tunisia Algeria etc. All these Army are NOT backed by the government rather they are anti government and they are independent in nature . 

      These Mujaheddin are the blow back of invasion by USA , Russia and Europe. Ordinary people , farmers took up arms against the occupation force and overtime these army now becoming very organized. Iran , Hezbushaitan are having a upper hand at the moment but soon they will find themselves in the quick sand as the sunnis are getting organized. 

      • Moe2000

        So Hezbollah was not a blow back for Israel invading and occupying Lebanon for 23 years? Did any Sunni’s die resisting the occupation of Lebanon? Or did the Sunni’s die killing Christians in Lebanon? Because i know us Shia didn’t start the Civil war we where 3rd class citizens with no roads schools infrastructure until Iran came and built it…. The only time the Shia took up arms was when we where invaded by Israel…. Even when the Palestinians where raping our women and looting our homes we did not take up arms…

        • master09

          Moe the reason Iran sent money was so they can have HA hold the thousands of weapons and wage war on Isreal…But in 2006 how and by whom was the south built…NOT IRAN, 15 Billion of Lebanese money….
          On March 1991, parliament passed an amnesty law that pardoned all political crimes prior to its enactment. In May 1991, the militias (with the important exception of Hezbollah) were dissolved, and the Lebanese Armed Forces began to slowly rebuild themselves as Lebanon’s only major non-sectarian institution.
          I am not saying the Shiites are a problem in Lebanon what I am saying is Lebanon Army will never be given or sold good weapons because they know it will eventualy fall in the hands of HA…not the Shiites you see you make this about the SHIITES, but I am talking about HA…THE ARMY CAN NOT BE SUPPORTED IF HA HAS POWER OVER THEM.. DO YOU SEE WHY NO COUNTRY WILL GIVE WEAPONS TO THE LEBANESE ARMY…This is not about the Shiites.. its about a malitia group outside the government who is more powerful than the army, that would mean HA run the country so how will anyone support LEBANON…..???That is why fly over and spy and eye on Lebanon will always be and why Isreal will always check up on Lebanon, HA IS NOT A COUNTRY, THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS…..  

        • antar2011

          you seem to have ignored or perhaps do’t know some historical facts that you did  not mention in your post above:

          fact 1=
          the lebanese resistance had lebanese from different religions…it was not exclusively shiites. but nasrullah waged a war against first AMAL party, then the palestinains to make sure the south region changed into an overwhelming shiites territory because wilayat al faqeeh could not be established with no shiites.

          fact 2=
          chack history again and search for who allowed the israelis to enter the south lebanon and reach up to Beirut…yep the family of todays hizbullah fighters…they were waving and cheerign the israeli entering their land because they have come to save them from the palestinians…..

          fact 3=
          there were many sunnis from the north/Akkar who fought with the palestinians in the south….if you did not know this then it does not mean that they did not….

          but anyway if we are to assume your point and generalise all sunnis and say sunnis did not fight against israeli occupation….who has lessened their numbers even more  sp in that part of lebanon?

          fact 4=
          the palestinians that hizbullah whose lands wants to liberate was  fighting fiercely against late 80’s..

          hizbullah has not only sold the palestinian cause  but also sold its own community by declaring total loyalty to wilayat al faqeeh…something many lebanese/arab shiites are against.

          fact 5=
          during the civil war everyone was killing everyone else and yes AMAL/Hizbullah did not start the civil war….but later were very involved in killing eack other so that Nasrullah can establish himslef as king first…who took the advatage to speak in the name of palestinian cause while preparing himself and community for wilayat al faqeeh …

          these are facts that hizbullah supporters choose to ignore or perhaps have not been taught to remember when speaking to another lebanese who knows lebanon’s recent history a little bit better.

          PS
          stop speaking in the name of all shias…many shias themselves criticis nasrullah and the fact that he has holding them hostages in return for their silence at his iranian/persian agenda.

        • dateam

          to antar2011…fact1…yes it was resistance to all..but nasrallah did not takeover till 1992? yes they fought with amal same way christians fought christians as well( stupidity of the civil war) wilayet al faqeeh..dont agree with it…each to their own..fact2…i dont think they had a choice they werent formed yet then…your right about them being happy for israelis to come in because of the mess the palestinains caused…ironic so were the christians???? ( this was israels blunder of 1982..had they gone taken out the palestinians and not stayed we probably wouldnt be where we are now???? the christians it may bge said may have made the mistake of not asking the shiites to join them against the palestinians again past is past but their are are certain similarities???fact3…yes as part of resistence it was nearly everyone in certain areas….fact4…again wilayat alfaqeeh dont agree but then again certain christian groups wanted christian state as well( again all part of mess of civil war)….unfortunately what has become of palestinian cause but a lost cause.?????fact5 yes amal and hzb fought each other again as certain christian parties did for power struggles….bottom line noone is better than anyone…we need to fix this and to do it the state must take control…ALL our politicians need to be held accountable by all of us the citizens…god bless

        • MeYosemite

          I remember the fronts back in the civil war, palestinian camps, namely tel elzaatar and karantina, there were shiia and sunnis across the barricades on beirut western side, SSNP on the north and east, and the druze in south east. shiia and christians crossed brutally many times in the south, which drove some christians to seek Israeli help and other to leave permanently.
          This overwhelming pressure on christians and Pierre Gemayel fell in the ttrap and made the worst decision in his carreer and call in the syrians for protection. Now I believe the whole thing was an Assad senior devised plan to annex the country for free and all lebanese politicians were dumb puppets. The rest we know.

        • MeYosemite

          Also after all those years, i came to the conclusion all lebanese parties have made a disservice to the country, but they believing in their grandiosity to lead their people. HA was not a blow back. They were puppets to either Syria, Saudi, US, Israel and Iran. Weapons are not free, and there is no free lunch. Militias are negligible when any country puts its weight in. All lebanese parties fought Syria and lost. Syria lost when the lebanese united under the cedar revolution.

        • Moe2000

          @master09:disqus Firstly, There billions missing from Lebanon’s donations. After the 2006 war Iran did fund a very large portion of the money that rebuilt the South and Beirut. Secondly, Russia and Iran want to arm the Lebanese army… Russia even wanted to give 10 free Mig 29s which Harriri refused and asked for helicopters and then refused that also….. We will keep our encase We have the Free Terrorists or Israel attack we are the closest until Lebanon does true and free elections…. When anyone can run for President…. Just because of my religion i cannot be a president of Lebanon?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          what the hell do u mean palastinians were raping ur women . dont present bulshit here with out evidence. seriously and besides the shia did have arms uni fool during the civil war against the maronite gov. do r research fool.

  • master09

    This can not be true, with 100,000 plus the FSA together should have no problem taking most Syria. But most stories from both sides are foggy as free media is hard to find… Everyone will tell the story they want people to hear…Like in Lebanon every MP has a tv or newspaper and speak about and support who the want….in them..
    I hope no big war happens in Syria or anywhere else because the ones that suffer all the time are the Christians, like the 100,000,000 been persecuted all over…today……and everyday, with the world tooo afraid to say or do anything….

    • 5thDrawer

      One only turns a cheek so many times …. the Australians have the RIGHT line on it.

    • 73Corty77

      Believe me when I tell you master. It is no where near 100.000. Not even close to 20.000.Typical western media. If it was 100.000 they could pretty much take half of Syria. OH what a minute they already spun that lie as well when they claimed that the FSA has taken 40% of the country.I have first hand information that they haven’t even taken 2%.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        dude the syrian country have atleast 340,000 in reserve and 300,000 in active service. thats 600,000 armed troops. not to mention the lightly armed alowite milita, numbers unconfirmed. so taking on 100,000 deserters most of which will run cannot possibly take half the country while facing tanks, artillery, naval bombardmnet and the syrian airforce.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          and besides not all 100,000 are fighting. most are deserters runnin for their lives, not fighting

        • Moe2000

          Same Cyrus that comments on CNN? Just pissed of at extremist Sunnis I deleted the Palestinian comment, Wargame is a extremist Wahhabi he pissed me off.

        • master09

          In regards to your comment on Palestine been a Nation..Palestine has never officially been a sovereign nation.IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ARAB PALESTINIANS AND JEWISH PALESTINAINS…When did I say the PALESTINIANS NEVER HAD A NATION YOU BIGGER FOOL …..ISREAL, JORDAN,SYRIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN RULED BY SOMEONE AND A NATION CALLED PALESTINE AS HAVING BORDERS OF ITS OWN AS A NATION  HAS NEVER BEEN…..IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF OTHER NATIONS . IT IS A LAND AND PEOPLE , BUT NEVERA SEPARTE NATION………COUNTRY…..    
          Palestine has never officially been a sovereign nation.
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ARAB PALESTINIANS AND JEWISH PALESTINAINS…

          Israel became a nation in 1312B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of all that came empires and armies.. things they wanted to change…..and destroy… But you fail to understand that PALISTINE WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE NATION OF ISREAL AT THE BEGINING…
          IF WE ARE TO GIVE BACK ALL THE LANDS FROM THE TIME YOU ARE TALKING, WOW WHAT A PUZZLE THAT WOULD BE AND WHAT WARS WOULD FOLLOW THAT….YOU TALKING ABOUT LEARN HISTORY…WOW…

        • 73Corty77

          You right in what you saying. Too bad most people wish to ignore the reality.
          In relation to the Alawite milita, I’ve heard there about 200.000 strong and getting bigger. The sad thing about this whole thing is how the innocent is being killed. That’s what bugs me the most. And what bugs me more is it is always blamed on the government. Never the FSA  
          The media has turned this war into Sunni vs. Shiite/Alawite, how sad.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        dude the syrian country have atleast 340,000 in reserve and 300,000 in active service. thats 600,000 armed troops. not to mention the lightly armed alowite milita, numbers unconfirmed. so taking on 100,000 deserters most of which will run cannot possibly take half the country while facing tanks, artillery, naval bombardmnet and the syrian airforce.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          and besides not all 100,000 are fighting. most are deserters runnin for their lives, not fighting

        • 73Corty77

          You right in what you saying. Too bad most people wish to ignore the reality.
          In relation to the Alawite milita, I’ve heard there about 200.000 strong and getting bigger. The sad thing about this whole thing is how the innocent is being killed. That’s what bugs me the most. And what bugs me more is it is always blamed on the government. Never the FSA  
          The media has turned this war into Sunni vs. Shiite/Alawite, how sad.

  • master09

    This can not be true, with 100,000 plus the FSA together should have no problem taking most Syria. But most stories from both sides are foggy as free media is hard to find… Everyone will tell the story they want people to hear…Like in Lebanon every MP has a tv or newspaper and speak about and support who the want….in them..
    I hope no big war happens in Syria or anywhere else because the ones that suffer all the time are the Christians, like the 100,000,000 been persecuted all over…today……and everyday, with the world tooo afraid to say or do anything….

  • master09

    This can not be true, with 100,000 plus the FSA together should have no problem taking most Syria. But most stories from both sides are foggy as free media is hard to find… Everyone will tell the story they want people to hear…
    I hope no big war happens in Syria or anywhere else because the ones that suffer all the time are the Christians, like the 100,000,000 been persecuted all over…today……and everyday, with the world tooo afraid to say or do anything….  

    • 5thDrawer

      One only turns a cheek so many times …. the Australians have the RIGHT line on it.

    • 73Corty77

      Believe me when I tell you master. It is no where near 100.000. Not even close to 20.000.Typical western media. If it was 100.000 they could pretty much take half of Syria. OH what a minute they already spun that lie as well when they claimed that the FSA has taken 40% of the country.I have first hand information that they haven’t even taken 2%.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

        dude the syrian country have atleast 1 million men in the army reserve including those already in active service so 100,000 is penuts n can easily be dealth with

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

          and besides not all 100,000 are fighting. most are deserters runnin for their lives, not fighting

        • Moe2000

           Same Cyrus that comments on CNN? Just pissed of at extremist Sunnis I deleted the Palestinian comment, Wargame is a extremist Wahhabi he pissed me off.

        • master09

          In regards to your comment on Palestine been a Nation..Palestine has never officially been a sovereign nation.IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ARAB PALESTINIANS AND JEWISH PALESTINAINS…When did I say the PALESTINIANS NEVER HAD A NATION YOU BIGGER FOOL …..ISREAL, JORDAN,SYRIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN RULED BY SOMEONE AND A NATION CALLED PALESTINE AS HAVING BORDERS OF ITS OWN AS A NATION  HAS NEVER BEEN…..IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF OTHER NATIONS . IT IS A LAND AND PEOPLE , BUT NEVERA SEPARTE NATION………COUNTRY…..    
          Palestine has never officially been a sovereign nation.
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ARAB PALESTINIANS AND JEWISH PALESTINAINS…

          When did I say the PALESTINIANS NEVER HAD A NATION YOU BIGGER FOOL …..ISREAL, JORDAN,SYRIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN RULED BY SOMEONE AND A NATION CALLED PALESTINE AS HAVING BORDERS OF ITS OWN AS A NATION  HAS NEVER BEEN…..IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF OTHER NATIONS . IT IS A LAND AND PEOPLE , BUT NEVER
          A SEPARTE NATION………COUNTRY…..   

           

        • 73Corty77

          You right in what you saying. Too bad most people wish to ignore the reality.
          In relation to the Alawite milita, I’ve heard there about 200.000 strong and getting bigger. The sad thing about this whole thing is how the innocent is being killed. That’s what bugs me the most. And what bugs me more is it is always blamed on the government. Never the FSA  
          The media has turned this war into Sunni vs. Shiite/Alawite, how sad.

  • josephphdman

    assad is on his way out , soon the defectors number will triple and quadruple ; when the sunni soldier sees his sunni brother or sunni cousin soldier defecting , he will be next on the list to defect , specially when saudi arabia promissed to pay his salary so he could support his family ; regardless what iran and russia ,wants ,at the ends the will of the syrian people majorities will prevail , 16 milions sunnis versus 3 milons alawites , sooner or later the sunnis will regain controle of syria .

  • wargame1

    These minority Shias are well prepared as you can see Hezbushaitan is carrying arms and acting like a government within a government. Most of the Arab leaders are subservient and their hands are tied to react event if they want to. But these are the army which are independent and they are the one who will prevail inshallah. Army of Afghanistan , Iraq, Libya, Turkey ,Yemen , Morocco Tunisia Algeria etc. All these Army are NOT backed by the government rather they are anti government and they are independent in nature . 

    These Mujaheddin are the blow back of invasion by USA , Russia and Europe. Ordinary people , farmers took up arms against the occupation force and overtime these army now becoming very organized. Iran , Hezbushaitan are having a upper hand at the moment but soon they will find themselves in the quick sand as the sunnis are getting organized. 

  • Moe2000

    So Hezbollah was not a blow back for Israel invading and occupying Lebanon for 23 years? Did any Sunni’s die resisting the occupation of Lebanon? Or did the Sunni’s die killing Christians in Lebanon? Because i know us Shia didn’t start the Civil war we where 3rd class citizens with no roads schools infrastructure until Iran came and built it…. The only time the Shia took up arms was when we where invaded by Israel….

  • master09

    Moe the reason Iran sent money was so they can have HA hold the thousands of weapons and wage war on Isreal…But in 2006 how and by whom was the south built…NOT IRAN, 15 Billion of Lebanese money….
    On March 1991, parliament passed an amnesty law that pardoned all political crimes prior to its enactment. In May 1991, the militias (with the important exception of Hezbollah) were dissolved, and the Lebanese Armed Forces began to slowly rebuild themselves as Lebanon’s only major non-sectarian institution.
    I am not saying the Shiites are a problem in Lebanon what I am saying is Lebanon Army will never be given or sold good weapons because they know it will eventualy fall in the hands of HA…not the Shiites you see you make this about the SHIITES, but I am talking about HA…THE ARMY CAN NOT BE SUPPORTED IF HA HAS POWER OVER THEM.. DO YOU SEE WHY NO COUNTRY WILL GIVE WEAPONS TO THE LEBANESE ARMY…This is not about the Shiites.. its about a malitia group outside the government who is more powerful than the army, that would mean HA run the country so how will anyone support LEBANON…..???That is why fly over and spy and eye on Lebanon will always be and why Isreal will always check up on Lebanon, HA IS NOT A COUNTRY, THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS…..  

  • antar2011

    you seem to have ignored or perhaps do’t know some historical facts that you did  not mention in your post above:

    fact 1=
    the lebanese resistance had lebanese from different religions…it was not exclusively shiites. but nasrullah waged a war against first AMAL party, then the palestinains to make sure the south region changed into an overwhelming shiites territory because wilayat al faqeeh could not be established with no shiites.

    fact 2=
    chack history again and search for who allowed the israelis to enter the south lebanon and reach up to Beirut…yep the family of todays hizbullah fighters…they were waving and cheerign the israeli entering their land because they have come to save them from the palestinians…..

    fact 3=
    there were many sunnis from the north/Akkar who fought with the palestinians in the south….if you did not know this then it does not mean that they did not….

    but anyway if we are to assume your point and generalise all sunnis and say sunnis did not fight against israeli occupation….who has lessened their numbers even more  sp in that part of lebanon?

    fact 4=
    the palestinians that hizbullah whose lands wants to liberate was  fighting fiercely against late 80’s..

    hizbullah has not only sold the palestinian cause  but also sold its own community by declaring total loyalty to wilayat al faqeeh…something many lebanese/arab shiites are against.

    fact 5=
    during the civil war everyone was killing everyone else and yes AMAL/Hizbullah did not start the civil war….but later were very involved in killing eack other so that Nasrullah can establish himslef as king first…who took the advatage to speak in the name of palestinian cause while preparing himself and community for wilayat al faqeeh …

    these are facts that hizbullah supporters choose to ignore or perhaps have not been taught to remember when speaking to another lebanese who knows lebanon’s recent history a little bit better.

    PS
    stop speaking in the name of all shias…many shias themselves criticis nasrullah and the fact that he has holding them hostages in return for their silence at his iranian/persian agenda.

  • dateam

    to antar2011…fact1…yes it was resistance to all..but nasrallah did not takeover till 1992? yes they fought with amal same way christians fought christians as well( stupidity of the civil war) wilayet al faqeeh..dont agree with it…each to their own..fact2…i dont think they had a choice they werent formed yet then…your right about them being happy for israelis to come in because of the mess the palestinains caused…ironic so were the christians???? ( this was israels blunder of 1982..had they gone taken out the palestinians and not stayed we probably wouldnt be where we are now???? the christians it may bge said may have made the mistake of not asking the shiites to join them against the palestinians again past is past but their are are certain similarities???fact3…yes as part of resistence it was nearly everyone in certain areas….fact4…again wilayat alfaqeeh dont agree but then again certain christian groups wanted christian state as well( again all part of mess of civil war)….unfortunately what has become of palestinian cause but a lost cause.?????fact5 yes amal and hzb fought each other again as certain christian parties did for power struggles….bottom line noone is better than anyone…we need to fix this and to do it the state must take control…ALL our politicians need to be held accountable by all of us the citizens…god bless

  • MeYosemite

    I remember the fronts back in the civil war, palestinian camps, namely tel elzaatar and karantina, there were shiia and sunnis across the barricades on beirut western side, SSNP on the north and east, and the druze in south east. shiia and christians crossed brutally many times in the south, which drove some christians to seek Israeli help and other to leave permanently.
    This overwhelming pressure on christians and Pierre Gemayel fell in the ttrap and made the worst decision in his carreer and call in the syrians for protection. Now I believe the whole thing was an Assad senior devised plan to annex the country for free and all lebanese politicians were dumb puppets. The rest we know.

  • MeYosemite

    Also after all those years, i came to the conclusion all lebanese parties have made a disservice to the country, but they believing in their grandiosity to lead their people. HA was not a blow back. They were puppets to either Syria, Saudi, US, Israel and Iran. Weapons are not free, and there is no free lunch. Militias are negligible when any country puts its weight in. All lebanese parties fought Syria and lost. Syria lost when the lebanese united under the cedar revolution.

  • Moe2000

    @master09:disqus Firstly, There billions missing from Lebanon’s donations. After the 2006 war Iran did fund a very large portion of the money that rebuilt the South and Beirut. Secondly, Russia and Iran want to arm the Lebanese army… Russia even wanted to give 10 free Mig 29s which Harriri refused and asked for helicopters and then refused that also….. We will keep our encase We have the Free Terrorists or Israel attack we are the closest until Lebanon does true and free elections…. When anyone can run for President…. Just because of my religion i cannot be a president of Lebanon?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyrus-Da/100003064964179 Cyrus Da

    what the hell do u mean palastinians were raping ur women . dont present bulshit here with out evidence. seriously and besides the shia did have arms uni fool during the civil war against the maronite gov. do r research fool.