Lebanon: Wikileaks cables expose Hezbollah, Syria allies

WikiLeaks cables published by al-Joumhouria newspaper on Tuesday exposed the dislike for Hezbollah and Syria by their current allies . Aoun predicted back in 2005 that the Syrian regime will collapse, while Mikati called Hezbollah a cancer and Jumblatt said Berri is a liar

Hezbollah cancerous

Lebanese PM designate Najib Mikati has reportedly described Hezbollah in a January 12, 2008 as “cancerous” and called for ending the state within the state that the party has built to allegedly safeguard Lebanon.

Mikati reportedly told former U.S. ambassador Michele Sison that Hezbollah is a “cancerous tumor” and called for removing its statelet, regardless whether it was “malignant or benign.”

He warned that Hezbollah could drag Lebanon to a “sad end.”

Mikati also reportedly called for better U.S. ties with Lebanon and Syria to “contain” Hezbollah, warning that the main objective of the Shiite party was to form an Iranian military base on the Mediterranean.

The dream of Grand Ayatollah Sayyed Ruhollah Khomeini of exporting the Iranian revolution needed a “launch pad” which is Lebanon, he said. Achieving this objective requires a lot of time but Hezbollah is “patient,” he added.

Asked by Sison if he thought peace with Israel would contain such intentions, Mikati said that peace would lead to a “happy ending,” but wondered whether Syria would engage in talks with the Jewish state without a green light from Iran.

Mikati also unveiled that there was no major support by the Lebanese army leadership and former Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir to President Michel Suleiman’s presidency , saying “Sfeir is not in love with” him.

Mikati also revealed that the Lebanese army supports Hezbollah and Aoun

“The Lebanese Armed Forces sympathize with the March 8 forces at a time when most officers back Hezbollah and (FPM leader) Gen. Michel Aoun,” Mikati reportedly told Sison, according to the cable.

Syrian regime will collapse

Aoun was already allied with Hezbollah in 2008 but in a WikiLeaks cable from Paris dated May 4, 2005 he described several parties in Lebanon as corrupt “mercenaries” who are after power and have no credibility.

Aoun said that his only ambition behind his return to Lebanon from a 15-year exile was to bring back democracy to the country.

Aoun also revealed that his efforts to reach agreement with PSP leader Walid Jumblatt, the Hariri family and traditional Christian leaderships failed. They are “mercenaries,” he said.

About Hezbollah, Aoun said the Shiite party enjoys “some type of popular support” and so far is not corrupt. For such reasons, the MP said he could cooperate with the group to encourage it into handing over its weapons to the Lebanese army and becoming a political party.

Aoun reportedly bragged of being the only opposition leader directly supporting U.N. Security Council resolution 1559. Ever since Aoun signed an agreement with Hezbollah has become an opponent of 1559.

In another cable dated April 29, 2005, Aoun expressed concern that he would be used by the Syrians or those backing the Assad regime.

In a third cable dated March 31, 2005 Aoun was quoted as saying that the collapse of the Syrian regime is “inevitable ” adding that the security institutions in Lebanon should be restructured because they are a copycat of Syrian apparatuses.

Berri a liar

Progressive Socialist Party leader MP Walid Jumblatt has reportedly described President Michel Suleiman in a WikiLeaks cable dated September 17, 2008 as a “weak personality surrounded by supporters of the Syrian regime.”

Jumblatt also described Speaker Nabih Berri as a “big liar.”

In another cable dated August 19, 2006, Jumblatt reportedly said: “We don’t need democracy right now. We need money.”

He unveiled that Caretaker Premier Saad Hariri had given him 1 million dollars which he described as “nothing,” saying “I can spend the money within two months or three.”

The U.S. embassy noted in the cable that Jumblatt was most probably frustrated because he had previously said that former PM Rafik Hariri used to give him 3 million dollars per year .

About the Shiites in general , the PSP chief expressed concern that the Shiite sect was losing its Lebanese and Arab identity and becoming more Persian.

All the above 3 leaders are currently allied with Hezbollah and Syria.

The The Iranian and Syrian -backed Hezbollah brought down PM Saad Hariri’s government on January 12 over the Special Tribunal for Lebanon’s (STL) imminent indictment which is widely expected to implicate Hezbollah members in the assassination of former PM Rafik Hariri in 2005.

Mikati was appointed in January as the PM designate with the backing of the Hezbollah-led March 8 alliance , MPs Walid Jumblatt and Mohammad Safadi . March 14 leaders have repeatedly stated that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination.

Jumblatt and his PSP parliament members reportedly switched allegiance to Hezbollah’s PM candidate, following threats by Hezbollah.

Jumblatt, Mikati and Safadi were all elected on March 14 electoral tickets during the 2009 parliamentary elections.

March 8 is now claiming the parliament majority .

According to observers , up until now Hezbollah has been hiding behind FPM leader Michel Aoun in creating obstacles for Mikati .

Source: Naharnet, al-Joumhouria

  • kareemthehippy

    That just ruined my day. I’m happy I found out more truth behind some questions that I thought I’d never figure out bas 3anjad tfoo.

    Anyone who likes any Lebanese politician; Christian, Muslim, Druze…afar, akhdar, laymooneh..mustache, bearded, clean shaven..please, by all means, get a reality check. These people won’t turn themselves in or stop this crap unless we stop letting them. Let’s think for ourselves. If this doesn’t prove anything, then I don’t know what will.

    Maybe I’ll write a book for you guys to read.

    • Crossed

      Perhaps a peaceful popular uprising against the sectarian system? I would be the first to protest in the streets of Beirut for that.

  • Anonymous

    That just ruined my day. I’m happy I found out more truth behind some questions that I thought I’d never figure out bas 3anjad tfoo.

    Anyone who likes any Lebanese politician; Christian, Muslim, Druze…afar, akhdar, laymooneh..mustache, bearded, clean shaven..please, by all means, get a reality check. These people won’t turn themselves in or stop this crap unless we stop letting them. Let’s think for ourselves. If this doesn’t prove anything, then I don’t know what will.

    Maybe I’ll write a book for you guys to read.

    • http://www.cadmeia.com Hannibal

      Can I be the editor? lol

      • Anonymous

        Sure.

      • Anonymous

        Sure.

    • Anonymous

      Perhaps a peaceful popular uprising against the sectarian system? I would be the first to protest in the streets of Beirut for that.

      • Anonymous

        Whoever is reading this thread, I have nothing to do with Crossed. I want to go in and out of the airport safely next week.

        One day, though, Crossed, I think it’d be cool to see such a thing .

        • Anonymous

          Can I be the distributor of your book but,on one condition,the title of your book will read,( The Lebanon Before And Now.),
          Written By the new face of Lebanon, ( Author and Karremthehippy).
          Wouldn’t nice if we can revolutionized Lebanon once for all.

        • Anonymous

          @youyes4u We should call it : Lebanon’s Idiots Before and Now … or Lebanon, Heaven’s Mirage Trapped in Hell’s Reality .. I have nothing good to say.

      • Anonymous

        Whoever is reading this thread, I have nothing to do with Crossed. I want to go in and out of the airport safely next week.

        One day, though, Crossed, I think it’d be cool to see such a thing .

  • Crossed

    Lebanon needs a complete overhaul in politics, and a new system. It’s obvious this system does not work. All it leads to is one weak government after the next. A true majority government should implement some changes such as abolishment of the sectarian desginated posts. I also call for a stronger role for the president and a slightly weakened prime minister. the PM and president should be closer to parity in terms of power.

    • antar2011

      i cannot agree more with the sentiments expressed here that we need an overhaul of all political figures in lebanon.

      but really, you cannot criticise the system when these politicans have twisted and interpreted this sytem according to their whims rather then the way it shoudl be interpreted.

      we cannot crriticise al taif accord when we haven’t seen it implemented fully and accordingly.

      it was convincenly chosen to be ignored.

      • ahmadboutros

        you are talking about overhaul! how about secularism where we are all under the law of the land. that is the only way to have a strong goverment where we are all equal no matter our religion. i like to hear from the maronites about this point????!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Crossed

          You’re right when you say we should all be equal no matter what religon. So why not abolish sectarian posts from the government? A Maronite for example could then be a Prime Minister, or a Shii’te the president. Or even both be Sunni. We have been trying this system for so long and it worked great from the 50s to the early 70s when Lebanon was booming (economically). But that also depends on who you ask because at the time Shii’tes were discriminated against. Since then it has been one war after the next, and one weak government after the next. If we have a secular country that holds onto its religious values such as Mother Mary day, I think we can truly all be equal regardless of religion.

          Edit: Sorry I wrote this reply because I misread the word secularism for sectarianism.

        • antar2011

          why choose another system when we have not yet fully implemented the first one.

          a secular system is fine and perhaps what’s needed in lebanon but i do not think the lebanese pple are ready for it yet…the sense of “common patritosm” is what’s needed in lebanon….i wrote common because each and every one of the parties in lebanon today can claim they are patriotic.

          the minorities will always fear the majority…that’s pretty much sums our chagrin.

          when we forget about the past and deal with the present and move forward on this basis, hand in hand with one objective and that’s to build a lebanon that we can all live in…then the lebanese will be ready…. i find it difficult to see that’s happening in lebanon…i mean how can you convince those who are building illegal buildings on public property of joining hand in hand with fellow lebanese?…or how can you convince of those christians who feel they are always marginalised for reasons happened donkeys of years ago…and how can you convince of those who want to liberate palestine to concentrate on the more important thing to them and that’s the country they are living…

          besides even if we set up a secular system, the lebanese will abuse it in the same manner they abused other systems.

      • Crossed

        Well even if the Lebanese “aren’t ready” for secularism, they can adapt. The only sense of minority and majority will be social, not political so no one sect would feel threatened by the state.

        I think we have implemented our current system fully. We’ve had it for almost 70 years, that’s enough time to see how well it is. And it’s true, a secular democracy is still exploitable like you said, but so is every kind of governmental system.

        The fact that Lebanon means different things to different Lebanese is a problem. I think this is a direct result of the sectarian system. Instead of one Lebanon, we have a Sunni Lebanon, a Shii’te Lebanon, and a Christian Lebanon. If you remove the sects, you’re left with just a Lebanon.

  • Crossed

    Lebanon needs a complete overhaul in politics, and a new system. It’s obvious this system does not work. All it leads to is one weak government after the next. A true majority government should implement some changes such as abolishment of the sectarian desginated posts. I also call for a stronger role for the president and a slightly weakened prime minister. the PM and president should be closer to parity in terms of power.

    • antar2011

      i cannot agree more with the sentiments expressed here that we need an overhaul of all political figures in lebanon.

      but really, you cannot criticise the system when these politicans have twisted and interpreted this sytem according to their whims rather then the way it shoudl be interpreted.

      we cannot crriticise al taif accord when we haven’t seen it implemented fully and accordingly.

      it was convincenly chosen to be ignored.

      • ahmadboutros

        you are talking about overhaul! how about secularism where we are all under the law of the land. that is the only way to have a strong goverment where we are all equal no matter our religion. i like to hear from the maronites about this point????!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Crossed

          You’re right when you say we should all be equal no matter what religon. So why not abolish sectarian posts from the government? A Maronite for example could then be a Prime Minister, or a Shii’te the president. Or even both be Sunni. We have been trying this system for so long and it worked great from the 50s to the early 70s when Lebanon was booming (economically). But that also depends on who you ask because at the time Shii’tes were discriminated against. Since then it has been one war after the next, and one weak government after the next. If we have a secular country that holds onto its religious values such as Mother Mary day, I think we can truly all be equal regardless of religion.

          Edit: Sorry I wrote this reply because I misread the word secularism for sectarianism.

        • antar2011

          why choose another system when we have not yet fully implemented the first one.

          a secular system is fine and perhaps what’s needed in lebanon but i do not think the lebanese pple are ready for it yet…the sense of “common patritosm” is what’s needed in lebanon….i wrote common because each and every one of the parties in lebanon today can claim they are patriotic.

          the minorities will always fear the majority…that’s pretty much sums our chagrin.

          when we forget about the past and deal with the present and move forward on this basis, hand in hand with one objective and that’s to build a lebanon that we can all live in…then the lebanese will be ready…. i find it difficult to see that’s happening in lebanon…i mean how can you convince those who are building illegal buildings on public property of joining hand in hand with fellow lebanese?…or how can you convince of those christians who feel they are always marginalised for reasons happened donkeys of years ago…and how can you convince of those who want to liberate palestine to concentrate on the more important thing to them and that’s the country they are living…

          besides even if we set up a secular system, the lebanese will abuse it in the same manner they abused other systems.

      • Crossed

        Well even if the Lebanese “aren’t ready” for secularism, they can adapt. The only sense of minority and majority will be social, not political so no one sect would feel threatened by the state.

        I think we have implemented our current system fully. We’ve had it for almost 70 years, that’s enough time to see how well it is. And it’s true, a secular democracy is still exploitable like you said, but so is every kind of governmental system.

        The fact that Lebanon means different things to different Lebanese is a problem. I think this is a direct result of the sectarian system. Instead of one Lebanon, we have a Sunni Lebanon, a Shii’te Lebanon, and a Christian Lebanon. If you remove the sects, you’re left with just a Lebanon.

  • Anonymous

    Lebanon needs a complete overhaul in politics, and a new system. It’s obvious this system does not work. All it leads to is one weak government after the next. A true majority government should implement some changes such as abolishment of the sectarian desginated posts. I also call for a stronger role for the president and a slightly weakened prime minister. the PM and president should be closer to parity in terms of power.

    • Anonymous

      i cannot agree more with the sentiments expressed here that we need an overhaul of all political figures in lebanon.

      but really, you cannot criticise the system when these politicans have twisted and interpreted this sytem according to their whims rather then the way it shoudl be interpreted.

      we cannot crriticise al taif accord when we haven’t seen it implemented fully and accordingly.

      it was convincenly chosen to be ignored.

      • Anonymous

        you are talking about overhaul! how about secularism where we are all under the law of the land. that is the only way to have a strong goverment where we are all equal no matter our religion. i like to hear from the maronites about this point????!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Anonymous

          I don’t agree with that. You’re right when you say we should all be equal no matter what religon. So why not abolish sectarian posts from the government? A Maronite for example could then be a Prime Minister, or a Shii’te the president. Or even both be Sunni. We have been trying this system for so long and it worked great from the 50s to the early 70s when Lebanon was booming (economically). But that also depends who you ask because at the time Shii’tes were discriminated against. If we have a secular country that holds onto its religous values such as Mother Mary day, I think we can truly all be equal regardless of religon.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t agree with that. You’re right when you say we should all be equal no matter what religon. So why not abolish sectarian posts from the government? A Maronite for example could then be a Prime Minister, or a Shii’te the president. Or even both be Sunni. We have been trying this system for so long and it worked great from the 50s to the early 70s when Lebanon was booming (economically). But that also depends who you ask because at the time Shii’tes were discriminated against. If we have a secular country that holds onto its religous values such as Mother Mary day, I think we can truly all be equal regardless of religon.

        • Anonymous

          why choose another system when we have not yet fully implemented the first one.

          a secular system is fine and perhaps what’s needed in lebanon but i do not think the lebanese pple are ready for it yet…the minorities will always fear the majority…that’s pretty much sums our chagrin.

          besides even if we set up a secular system, the lebanese will abuse it in the same manner they abused other systems :)

        • Anonymous

          why choose another system when we have not yet fully implemented the first one.

          a secular system is fine and perhaps what’s needed in lebanon but i do not think the lebanese pple are ready for it yet…the minorities will always fear the majority…that’s pretty much sums our chagrin.

          besides even if we set up a secular system, the lebanese will abuse it in the same manner they abused other systems :)

      • Anonymous

        you are talking about overhaul! how about secularism where we are all under the law of the land. that is the only way to have a strong goverment where we are all equal no matter our religion. i like to hear from the maronites about this point????!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        Well even if the Lebanese “aren’t ready” for secularism, they can adapt. The only sense of minority and majority will be social, not political so no one sect would feel threatened by the state.

        I think we have implemented our current system fully. We’ve had it for almost 70 years, that’s enough time to see how well it is. And it’s true, a secular democracy is still exploitable like you said, but so is every kind of governmental system.

        The fact that Lebanon means different things to different Lebanese is a problem. I think this is a direct result of the sectarian system. Instead of one Lebanon, we have a Sunni Lebanon, a Shii’te Lebanon, and a Christian Lebanon. If you remove the sects, you’re left with just a Lebanon.

    • Anonymous

      i cannot agree more with the sentiments expressed here that we need an overhaul of all political figures in lebanon.

      but really, you cannot criticise the system when these politicans have twisted and interpreted this sytem according to their whims rather then the way it shoudl be interpreted.

      we cannot crriticise al taif accord when we haven’t seen it implemented fully and accordingly.

      it was convincenly chosen to be ignored.

  • libnan1

    Wikleaks asserted my thinking all along that Aoun and HA are the only true Lebanese. The rest are corrupt.

    • kareemthehippy

      No. They’re ALL corrupt.

      • Hannibal

        I second that LOUDLY… THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT!

        • youyes4u

          Without any doubt,yes THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT,a replacement of all lebanese politians is urgently needed to save Lebanon.Kick them all out.
          LET A NEW BREED OF LEBANESE GENERATION TAKE OVER AND GOVERN AND ELEVATE THE STATE OF LEBANON TO A NEW DEMOCRATIC LEVEL,AND REPLACE LEBANON ON THE WORLD MAP ONCE AGAIN AS A RESPECTED NATION .

        • youyes4u

          Without any doubt,yes THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT,a replacement of all lebanese politians is urgently needed to save Lebanon.Kick them all out.
          LET A NEW BREED OF LEBANESE GENERATION TAKE OVER AND GOVERN AND ELEVATE THE STATE OF LEBANON TO A NEW DEMOCRATIC LEVEL,AND REPLACE LEBANON ON THE WORLD MAP ONCE AGAIN AS A RESPECTED NATION .

        • kareemthehippy

          We really should have closed the airports when they went to Doha…..

  • Anonymous

    Wikleaks asserted my thinking all along that Aoun and HA are the only true Lebanese. The rest are corrupt.

    • Anonymous

      No. They’re ALL corrupt.

      • http://www.cadmeia.com Hannibal

        I second that LOUDLY… THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT!

        • Anonymous

          Without any doubt,yes THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT,a replacement of all lebanese politians is urgently needed to save Lebanon.Kick them all out.
          LET A NEW BREED OF LEBANESE GENERATION TAKE OVER AND GOVERN AND ELEVATE THE STATE OF LEBANON TO A NEW DEMOCRATIC LEVEL,AND REPLACE LEBANON ON THE WORLD MAP ONCE AGAIN AS A RESPECTED NATION .

        • Anonymous

          We really should have closed the airports when they went to Doha…..

    • Anonymous

      No. They’re ALL corrupt.

  • antar2011

    it would have been helpful if we knew that these wikileaks are transmitting this piece of news from primary/secondary or third party sources… then we will know how credible they are.

    but let’s assume that these leaks are correct, then i am wondering why would mikati put his hand in the hands of hizbollah? ..or perhaps the temptation if the prime ministery was too attractive for mikati?…

    as for Aoun, well….. he is not so different from mikati really….stepping on anyone standing in the way to get to presidency.

    but mikati is correct hizbollah is a cancer indeed and syria needs irani permission to do many things.

  • Anonymous

    it would have been helpful if we knew that these wikileaks are transmitting this piece of news from primary/secondary or third party sources… then we will know how credible they are.

    but let’s assume that these leaks are correct, then i am wondering why would mikati put his hand in the hands of hizbollah? ..or perhaps the temptation if the prime ministery was too attractive for mikati?…

    as for Aoun, well….. he is not so different from mikati really….stepping on anyone standing in the way to get to presidency.

    but mikati is correct hizbollah is a cancer indeed and syria needs irani permission to do many things.

  • guss043

    it shows anyway who are they all, are these men country builder or clowns all of them, anyway these leaders are from these people . All corruption, it is a gene , a bad gene unfortunately ,it is genetic to be corrupt and low and money lover with no dignity

  • guss043

    it shows anyway who are they all, are these men country builder or clowns all of them, anyway these leaders are from these people . All corruption, it is a gene , a bad gene unfortunately ,it is genetic to be corrupt and low and money lover with no dignity

  • guss043

    it shows anyway who are they all, are these men country builder or clowns all of them, anyway these leaders are from these people . All corruption, it is a gene , a bad gene unfortunately ,it is genetic to be corrupt and low and money lover with no dignity

  • Leborigine

    They should put all our leaders in the LAF’s pre dated Hawker Hunters and send them to the syrian desert for a highly classified meeting…..and then nuke the joint!

  • Leborigine

    They should put all our leaders in the LAF’s pre dated Hawker Hunters and send them to the syrian desert for a highly classified meeting…..and then nuke the joint!

  • Anonymous

    They should put all our leaders in the LAF’s pre dated Hawker Hunters and send them to the syrian desert for a highly classified meeting…..and then nuke the joint!

  • ahmadboutros

    you are talking about building a country? what kind of a coutry can we build? i didn’t hear anybody talk about us living and dying under a religious dictat! the only way to build a country and a strong government is by abolishing the rule of religions and forbid the patriarch and the muftis from meddling in politics!

  • ahmadboutros

    you are talking about building a country? what kind of a coutry can we build? i didn’t hear anybody talk about us living and dying under a religious dictat! the only way to build a country and a strong government is by abolishing the rule of religions and forbid the patriarch and the muftis from meddling in politics!

  • Anonymous

    you are talking about building a country? what kind of a coutry can we build? i didn’t hear anybody talk about us living and dying under a religious dictat! the only way to build a country and a strong government is by abolishing the rule of religions and forbid the patriarch and the muftis from meddling in politics!

  • youyes4u

    I like to hear from the Hizbos about this point also??how about we are all under the law of the land?

    • ahmadboutros

      hizbos are a religious party just like l.f. , kataeb, aounist etc………., we can’t change anything until we join hands and CHANGE the defacto situation. You cannot be half pregnant. you are either a secular or not.

  • youyes4u

    I like to hear from the Hizbos about this point also??how about we are all under the law of the land?

    • ahmadboutros

      hizbos are a religious party just like l.f. , kataeb, aounist etc………., we can’t change anything until we join hands and CHANGE the defacto situation. You cannot be half pregnant. you are either a secular or not.

  • Anonymous

    I like to hear from the Hizbos about this point also??how about we are all under the law of the land?

    • Anonymous

      hizbos are a religious party just like l.f. , kataeb, aounist etc………., we can’t change anything until we join hands and CHANGE the defacto situation. You cannot be half pregnant. you are either a secular or not.

  • Anonymous

    I like to hear from the Hizbos about this point also??how about we are all under the law of the land?

  • youyes4u

    Hahaha……she answers her own posts,how pathetic is this….go figure….too many aliases….too many usernames,same person,just to sabotage this website because it doesn’t support her people and their destructive agenda against lebanon and its citizens.wow they were discriminated against, please tell us how?.

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha……she answers her own posts,how pathetic is this….go figure….too many aliases….too many usernames,same person,just to sabotage this website because it doesn’t support her people and their destructive agenda against lebanon and its citizens.wow they were discriminated against, please tell us how?.

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha……she answers her own posts,how pathetic is this….go figure….too many aliases….too many usernames,same person,just to sabotage this website because it doesn’t support her people and their destructive agenda against lebanon and its citizens.wow they were discriminated against, please tell us how?.

  • ahmadboutros

    i think we have gone thru many wars since the mid1800 to keep on trying to implement a system that doesn’t work and will not work, simply because we put religion before country. Einstein once said : it is foolish to keep repeating the same thing and expect different results. why are we afraid to immerse ourselves in the soul of our country under a strong government that guaranties that all rights and EQUALITY are respected under THE LAW. It behooves me to think that some lebanese sects are afraid of melting in the fabric of society!
    we can’t say we love lebanon and hate some lebanese, we can’t say we are more advanced and the rest are retards! why not work together to create a country that respects all cultures and religions as long as it is between ourselves and our maker. i have heard a lot of people saying the same things that you have so elequently stated( secular is fine but the lebanese ARE NOT ready for it) i sure am are you?

    • antar2011

      i am definetly ready for it but because i live overseas. ye3ni i have seen secular system in action with non lebanese hands. although i have some questions about it but it is something that can bring better alternative to the lebanese.

      but for the lebanese who are still living in lebanon and have seen no other system…i doubt they are ready for it.

      • ahmadboutros

        let’s put our hands together no matter where we belong politically (right,left,14,8) because doing so will save the country above any factional short end benefit to our sects.

    • ghzayel

      AHMADBOUTROS,

      I DON’T THINK THE PROBLEMS OF LEBANON LIE WITHIN A PARTICULAR SYSTEM THAT DOESN’T WORK OR WITHIN ANY FUTURE SUBSTITUTE SYSTEM AS YOU MENTION IT AS MUCH AS WITHIN THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” THEMSELVES.

      WHILE MOST OF THEM KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY EVEN WITHIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, SOME OF THEM ARE AFRAID TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, WHILE OTHERS DON’T WANT TO FACE THIS PROSPECT FOR FEAR OF CHANGE OR SIMPLY FOR BECOMING ON THE WRONG LOOSING SIDE.

      THANKS TO WIKI LEAKS AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THEM, WE CAN NOW MAKE A
      BETTER JUDGMENT ON OUR POLITICAL “LEADERS”.

      THOSE CABLES WERE DEPICTING BRIEFINGS OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN LEBANESE “LEADERS” AND AMERICAN EMBASSY OFFICIALS IN BEIRUT AND SINCE THEY ARE EXPOSING ALL POLITICAL PARTIES AND AFFILIATIONS IN LEBANON, WE CAN CONCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:

      1- THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” ACROSS THE BOARD SOMEHOW FEEL MORE CONFIDENT TELLING ALL THE TRUTH TO OUTSIDERS LIKE THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR OR OTHERS RATHER THAN DOING IT AMONG THEMSELVES.

      2- BOTH THE 8TH AND 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” EXCEPT HEZBALLAH ARE TELLING COVERTLY THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEMS IN LEBANON, ACCURATELY DESCRIBING WHAT THEY ARE AND AMAZINGLY ENOUGH THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS NO MATTER HOW PAINFUL THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

      3- THE 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” INCLUDING AOUN JUMBLATT AND MIKATI, BEFORE THEY SWITCH, ARE THE ONES THAT WERE THE CLOSEST TO SAYING THE TRUTH IF WE COMPARE THEIR COVERT STATEMENTS AS REPORTED IN WIKILEAKS CABLES TO THEIR OVERT ADOPTED POLITICAL STAND.
      EVENTHOUGH THEY WERE AND ARE STILL AFFRAID TO VOICE OUT LOUD AND CLEARLY THEIR OPPOSITION TO HEZBALLAH SYRIA AND IRAN AS THEY DO IT IN PRIVATE.

      4- MOST OF THE 8TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE FARTHEST FROM SAYING THE TRUTH SINCE THEIR OVERT STATEMENTS TOTALLY CONTRADICT THE COVERT STATEMENTS AS REPORTED BY THE AMERICAN OFFICIALS.

      5- LET US HOPE SOMEDAY WE WILL FIND THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN EQUIVALENT VERSIONS OF WIKILEAKS TO HAVE A GLIMPSE OF THE DEALS GOING ON BETWEEN THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN EMBASSIES AND THE LEBANESE “LEADERS”.

  • Anonymous

    i think we have gone thru many wars since the mid1800 to keep on trying to implement a system that doesn’t work and will not work, simply because we put religion before country. Einstein once said : it is foolish to keep repeting the same thing and expect different results. why are we afraid to immerse ourselves in the soul of our country under a strong government that guaranties that all rights and EQUALITY are respected under THE LAW. It behooves me to think that some lebanese sects are afraid of melting in the fabric of society!
    we can’t say we love lebanon and hate some lebanese, we can’t say we are more advanced and the rest are retards! why not work together to create a country that respects all cultures and religions as long as it is between ourselves and our maker. i have heard a lot of people saying the same things that you have so elequently stated( secular is fine but the lebanese ARE NOT ready for it) i sure am are you?

    • Anonymous

      i am definetly ready for it but because i live overseas. ye3ni i have seen secular system in action with non lebanese hands. although i have some questions about it but it is something that can bring better alternative to the lebanese.

      but for the lebanese who are still living in lebanon and have seen no other system…i doubt they are ready for it.

      • Anonymous

        its good in theory, but wouldn’t work in Lebanon….We have certain elements in the country that have foreign and radical agendas…regardless of what system is in place as long as these elements exist they will hijack any progress. I also have to disagree about the whole religion based bias. It doesnt matter what religion you are so long as you are for Lebanon first, democracy, freedom, and justice…In Lebanon both main elements of government (M14 and M8) have various leaders of different religions in both camps..Its the direction of the country that concerns most Lebanese and not what religious sect one belongs too, the message speaks louder than any religion…One government, One army, One people for Justice!

        • Anonymous

          Is there democracy, freedom and justice under a mighty secterian,feudal and religious form of government? who are you fooling? DEFINITLY NOT ME!

        • Anonymous

          you’re damn right!!! it is not a lebanese system problem at least for the immediate future, it is rather a lebanese “leaders” problem.

          some lebanese “leaders ” lost completely the sense of what is right and what is wrong for themselves and for their country and some other sneaky and dangerous lebanese and non lebanese “leaders”” are secretly jubilating and prospering while gradually turning the country into their own mafia quarters under all kinds of excuses and false ideologies brought on the surface for popular consumption and would love to see the country remain as is in a chaotic situation without any strong army or government wether you change the current system or not.

      • Anonymous

        let’s put our hands together no matter where we belong politically (right,left,14,8) because doing so will save the country above any factional short end benefit to our sects.

    • Anonymous

      AHMADBOUTROS,

      I DON’T THINK THE PROBLEMS OF LEBANON LIE WITHIN THE SYSTEM THAT DOESN’T WORK AS YOU MENTION IT AS MUCH AS WITHIN THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” THEMSELVES.

      WHILE MOST OF THEM KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY, SOME OF THEM ARE AFRAID TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, WHILE OTHERS DON’T WANT TO FACE THIS PROSPECT FOR FEAR OF CHANGE OR SIMPLY FOR BECOMING ON THE WRONG LOOSING SIDE.

      THANKS TO WIKI LEAKS AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THEM, WE CAN NOW MAKE A
      BETTER JUDGMENT ON OUR POLITICAL LEADERS.

      THOSE CABLES WERE DEPICTING BRIEFINGS OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN LEBANESE OFFICIALS AND AMERICAN EMBASSY OFFICIALS IN BEIRUT AND SINCE THEY ARE EXPOSING ALL POLITICAL PARTIES AND AFFILIATIONS IN LEBANON, WE CAN CONCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:

      1- THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” ACROSS THE BOARD SOMEHOW FEEL MORE CONFIDENT TELLING ALL THE TRUTH TO OUTSIDERS LIKE THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR OR OTHERS RATHER THAN DOING IT AMONG THEMSELVES.

      2- BOTH THE 8TH AND 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” COVERTLY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEMS IN LEBANON, ACCURATELY DESCRIBING WHAT THEY ARE AND AMAZINGLY ENOUGH THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS NO MATTER HOW PAINFUL THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

      3- THE 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” INCLUDING AOUN JUMBLATT AND MIKATI, BEFORE THEY SWITCH, ARE THE ONES THAT WERE THE CLOSEST TO SAYING THE TRUTH IF WE COMPARE THEIR COVERT STATEMENTS AS REPORTED IN WIKILEAKS CABLES TO THEIR OVERT ADOPTED POLITICAL STAND.
      EVENTHOUGH THEY WERE AND ARE STILL AFFRAID TO VOICE OUT LOUD AND CLEARLY THEIR OPPOSITION TO HEZBALLAH SYRIA AND IRAN AS THEY DO IT IN PRIVATE.

      4- MOST OF THE 8TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE FARTHEST FROM SAYING THE TRUTH SINCE THEIR OVERT STATEMENTS TOTALLY CONTRADICT THE COVERT STATEMENTS REPORTED BY THE AMERICAN OFFICIALS.

      5- LET US HOPE SOMEDAY WE WILL HAVE THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN VERSIONS OF WIKILEAKS TO HAVE A GLIMPSE OF THE DEALS GOING ON BETWEEN THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN EMBASSIES AND THE LEBANESE OFFICIALS.

      • Anonymous

        GHZAYEL YA GHZAYEL

        A bad form of goverment produce bad leaders, religious form of government produce religious and secterian leaders. We can be talking forever about(8 and 14) without coming to a conclusion because neither one owns the truth a 100%. If you talk about hiaballah,syria and iran they talk about america , notre mere france israel etc… we don”t want to get to a (jadal aqueem) . whay are we lebanese to do? i would like to hear some more comment on that. i am sorry i don’t want to get in the minute details of (altayyarat wal2a7zab) because i find that will take our discussion nowhere. if LEBANON is who we want to save how do we do it?????

        • Anonymous

          ahmadboutros,

          you want a real solution for lebanon’s problems??? then try if you can to teach the lebanese what is wrong and what is right for them and for their country because a lot of them, due to long years of occupations and regional interferences,got their priorities messed up and reached a point where they cannot make this differentiation anymore on their own.

          • Anonymous

            Do we want to dwell on the problems or find a solution? We should propagate secularism as a answer to problems that have screwed us up as people and country .Do we want to keep a system that the colonialist put in place to divide and conquer or we want to move on to a better system that puts us all under the law? That is what the Lebanese have to choose!

            Obviously that does not solve all the problems we face. We still have a lot of issues that divide us some interior and some exterior but we cannot face them unless we are united under a strong government.

  • ahmadboutros

    ghzayel

    All those leaders are the product of a corrupt system of government, because they ran for office to represent their religion than the people. so why are we expecting that much from them?none of them can deliver the goods!So if they know the way to save their country and they don’t then we have traitors!as to wikileaks i am not surprised at all. they have all been exposed (8 and 14), but guess what : they will all be elected again and they will be representing us with votes which we will gladly give them. So the answer lie with us.are we going to get together or not? i doubt that you will.

  • Anonymous

    ghzayel

    All those leaders are the product of a corrupt system of government, because they ran for office to represent their religion than the people. so why are we expecting that much from them?none of them can deliver the goods!So if they know the way to save their country and they don’t then we have traitors!as to wikileaks i am not surprised at all. they have all been exposed (8 and 14), but guess what : they will all be elected again and they will be representing us with votes which we will gladly give them. So the answer lie with us.are we going to get together or not? i doubt that you will.

  • kareemthehippy

    That just ruined my day. I’m happy I found out more truth behind some questions that I thought I’d never figure out bas 3anjad tfoo.

    Anyone who likes any Lebanese politician; Christian, Muslim, Druze…afar, akhdar, laymooneh..mustache, bearded, clean shaven..please, by all means, get a reality check. These people won’t turn themselves in or stop this crap unless we stop letting them. Let’s think for ourselves. If this doesn’t prove anything, then I don’t know what will.

    Maybe I’ll write a book for you guys to read.

  • Hannibal

    Can I be the editor? lol

  • Crossed

    Perhaps a peaceful popular uprising against the sectarian system? I would be the first to protest in the streets of Beirut for that.

  • kareemthehippy

    Sure.

  • kareemthehippy

    Sure.

  • kareemthehippy

    Whoever is reading this thread, I have nothing to do with Crossed. I want to go in and out of the airport safely next week.

    One day, though, Crossed, I think it’d be cool to see such a thing .

  • youyes4u

    Can I be the distributor of your book but,on one condition,the title of your book will read,( The Lebanon Before And Now.),
    Written By the new face of Lebanon, ( Author and publisher Karremthehippy).
    Wouldn’t be nice if we can revolutionized Lebanon once for all ,it’s about time,isn’t.

  • youyes4u

    Can I be the distributor of your book but,on one condition,the title of your book will read,( The Lebanon Before And Now.),
    Written By the new face of Lebanon, ( Author and publisher Karremthehippy).
    Wouldn’t be nice if we can revolutionized Lebanon once for all ,it’s about time,isn’t.

  • kareemthehippy

    @youyes4u We should call it : Lebanon’s Idiots Before and Now … or Lebanon, Heaven’s Mirage Trapped in Hell’s Reality .. I have nothing good to say.

  • kareemthehippy

    @youyes4u We should call it : Lebanon’s Idiots Before and Now … or Lebanon, Heaven’s Mirage Trapped in Hell’s Reality .. I have nothing good to say.

  • youyes4u

    Hahaha……she answers her own posts,how pathetic is this….go figure….too many aliases….too many usernames,same person,just to sabotage this website because it doesn’t support her people and their destructive agenda against lebanon and its citizens.wow they were discriminated against, please tell us how?.

  • ahmadboutros

    i think we have gone thru many wars since the mid1800 to keep on trying to implement a system that doesn’t work and will not work, simply because we put religion before country. Einstein once said : it is foolish to keep repeating the same thing and expect different results. why are we afraid to immerse ourselves in the soul of our country under a strong government that guaranties that all rights and EQUALITY are respected under THE LAW. It behooves me to think that some lebanese sects are afraid of melting in the fabric of society!
    we can’t say we love lebanon and hate some lebanese, we can’t say we are more advanced and the rest are retards! why not work together to create a country that respects all cultures and religions as long as it is between ourselves and our maker. i have heard a lot of people saying the same things that you have so elequently stated( secular is fine but the lebanese ARE NOT ready for it) i sure am are you?

  • antar2011

    i am definetly ready for it but because i live overseas. ye3ni i have seen secular system in action with non lebanese hands. although i have some questions about it but it is something that can bring better alternative to the lebanese.

    but for the lebanese who are still living in lebanon and have seen no other system…i doubt they are ready for it.

  • ghzayel

    AHMADBOUTROS,

    I DON’T THINK THE PROBLEMS OF LEBANON LIE WITHIN A PARTICULAR SYSTEM THAT DOESN’T WORK OR WITHIN ANY FUTURE SUBSTITUTE SYSTEM AS YOU MENTION IT AS MUCH AS WITHIN THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” THEMSELVES.

    WHILE MOST OF THEM KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY EVEN WITHIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, SOME OF THEM ARE AFRAID TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, WHILE OTHERS DON’T WANT TO FACE THIS PROSPECT FOR FEAR OF CHANGE OR SIMPLY FOR BECOMING ON THE WRONG LOOSING SIDE.

    THANKS TO WIKI LEAKS AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THEM, WE CAN NOW MAKE A
    BETTER JUDGMENT ON OUR POLITICAL “LEADERS”.

    THOSE CABLES WERE DEPICTING BRIEFINGS OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN LEBANESE “LEADERS” AND AMERICAN EMBASSY OFFICIALS IN BEIRUT AND SINCE THEY ARE EXPOSING ALL POLITICAL PARTIES AND AFFILIATIONS IN LEBANON, WE CAN CONCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:

    1- THE LEBANESE “LEADERS” ACROSS THE BOARD SOMEHOW FEEL MORE CONFIDENT TELLING ALL THE TRUTH TO OUTSIDERS LIKE THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR OR OTHERS RATHER THAN DOING IT AMONG THEMSELVES.

    2- BOTH THE 8TH AND 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” EXCEPT HEZBALLAH ARE TELLING COVERTLY THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEMS IN LEBANON, ACCURATELY DESCRIBING WHAT THEY ARE AND AMAZINGLY ENOUGH THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS NO MATTER HOW PAINFUL THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

    3- THE 14TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” INCLUDING AOUN JUMBLATT AND MIKATI, BEFORE THEY SWITCH, ARE THE ONES THAT WERE THE CLOSEST TO SAYING THE TRUTH IF WE COMPARE THEIR COVERT STATEMENTS AS REPORTED IN WIKILEAKS CABLES TO THEIR OVERT ADOPTED POLITICAL STAND.
    EVENTHOUGH THEY WERE AND ARE STILL AFFRAID TO VOICE OUT LOUD AND CLEARLY THEIR OPPOSITION TO HEZBALLAH SYRIA AND IRAN AS THEY DO IT IN PRIVATE.

    4- MOST OF THE 8TH OF MARCH “LEADERS” ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE FARTHEST FROM SAYING THE TRUTH SINCE THEIR OVERT STATEMENTS TOTALLY CONTRADICT THE COVERT STATEMENTS AS REPORTED BY THE AMERICAN OFFICIALS.

    5- LET US HOPE SOMEDAY WE WILL FIND THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN EQUIVALENT VERSIONS OF WIKILEAKS TO HAVE A GLIMPSE OF THE DEALS GOING ON BETWEEN THE SYRIAN AND IRANIAN EMBASSIES AND THE LEBANESE “LEADERS”.

  • Fadi81

    its good in theory, but wouldn’t work in Lebanon….We have certain elements in the country that have foreign and radical agendas…regardless of what system is in place as long as these elements exist they will hijack any progress. I also have to disagree about the whole religion based bias. It doesnt matter what religion you are so long as you are for Lebanon first, democracy, freedom, and justice…In Lebanon both main elements of government (M14 and M8) have various leaders of different religions in both camps..Its the direction of the country that concerns most Lebanese and not what religious sect one belongs too, the message speaks louder than any religion…One government, One army, One people for Justice!

  • ahmadboutros

    let’s put our hands together no matter where we belong politically (right,left,14,8) because doing so will save the country above any factional short end benefit to our sects.

  • ahmadboutros

    Is there democracy, freedom and justice under a mighty secterian,feudal and religious form of government? who are you fooling? DEFINITLY NOT ME!

  • ahmadboutros

    Is there democracy, freedom and justice under a mighty secterian,feudal and religious form of government? who are you fooling? DEFINITLY NOT ME!

  • ghzayel

    you’re damn right!!! it is not a lebanese system problem at least for the immediate future, it is rather a lebanese “leaders” problem.

    some lebanese “leaders ” lost completely the sense of what is right and what is wrong for themselves and for their country and some other sneaky and dangerous lebanese and non lebanese “leaders”” are secretly jubilating and prospering while gradually turning the country into their own mafia quarters under all kinds of excuses and false ideologies brought to the surface for popular consumption; these lebanese “leaders” unfortunately would love to see the country remain as is in a chaotic situation without any strong army or government wether you change the current system or not.

  • ahmadboutros

    GHZAYEL YA GHZAYEL

    A bad form of goverment produce bad leaders, religious form of government produce religious and secterian leaders. We can be talking forever about(8 and 14) without coming to a conclusion because neither one owns the truth a 100%. If you talk about hiaballah,syria and iran they talk about america , notre mere france israel etc… we don”t want to get to a (jadal aqueem) . whay are we lebanese to do? i would like to hear some more comment on that. i am sorry i don’t want to get in the minute details of (altayyarat wal2a7zab) because i find that will take our discussion nowhere. if LEBANON is who we want to save how do we do it?????

  • ghzayel

    ahmadboutros,

    you want a real solution for lebanon’s problems??? then try if you can to teach the lebanese what is wrong and what is right for them and for their country because a lot of them, due to long years of occupations and regional interferences and thanks to their corrupt “leaders”,got their priorities messed up and reached a point where they cannot make this differentiation anymore on their own.

  • ghzayel

    ahmadboutros,

    you want a real solution for lebanon’s problems??? then try if you can to teach the lebanese what is wrong and what is right for them and for their country because a lot of them, due to long years of occupations and regional interferences and thanks to their corrupt “leaders”,got their priorities messed up and reached a point where they cannot make this differentiation anymore on their own.

  • ahmadboutros

    Do we want to dwell on the problems or find a solution? We should propagate secularism as a answer to problems that have screwed us up as people and country .Do we want to keep a system that the colonialist put in place to divide and conquer or we want to move on to a better system that puts us all under the law? That is what the Lebanese have to choose!

    Obviously that does not solve all the problems we face. We still have a lot of issues that divide us some interior and some exterior but we cannot face them unless we are united under a strong government.