Aoun is still insisiting on having the Ministry of Interior

Free patriotic Movement MP Michel Aoun denied being the obstacle behind the delay in the formation of the Lebanese cabinet stressing that there are no valid reasons behind the delay.

Following the meeting of the Change and Reform bloc he told reporters that he has nothing new to report on the cabinet formation but added :

” I do not see that there is an intention to form a cabinet. There are no reasons not form a cabinet, and it is unacceptable to claim there are complications being caused by certain parliamentary blocs.”

Aoun denied being the obstacle :

“The complication is not caused by me. My bloc is the biggest in the new majority. I want the Interior Ministry portfolio. Do I not have the right to attain a sovereign ministry?” He asked

Aoun tried to justify his demands:

“Every big parliamentary bloc has the right to attain a ministerial portfolio. ”

Aoun tried to blame PM designate Nagib Mikati for the delay :

“Whoever waits for the results of regional developments to become crystal clear does not want to form a cabinet. Whoever does not proceed with the cabinet formation process wants to obstruct the process.”

Aoun responded to the speech of president Michel Suleiman without naming by saying:

“We will not accept the claim that the constitution has been violated. I will respond to anyone who makes such claim no matter who he is.”

Suleiman said on Sunday that the impasse was due to local “demands.”

“There are no foreign obstacles ,” Suleiman told reporters in Bkirki after meeting with Maronite Patriarch Beshara al-Rahi. The impasse is due to the “demands of Lebanese parliamentary blocs” and “not obstacles,” he said, in a possible reference to Aoun

“The constitution doesn’t give anyone shares,” Suleiman said in reference to his dispute with Free Patriotic Movement leader Michel Aoun over the interior ministry portfolio and the lawmaker’s demand for the lion’s share of the Christian representation in the new government.

Aoun has been attacking president Suleiman ever since Mikati has been trying to form the cabinet .

On February 16 Aoun said he won’t let the president have any portfolio.

” The issue of the president’s share (in cabinet) is a farce that is not subject to any constitutional provisions or the criteria of popular support, and personally I won’t give Suleiman any portfolio as he hasn’t been a consensual president.”

On March 1 Aoun said with reference to president Suleiman’s share in the cabinet :

“Nothing in the constitution determines the shares of the country’s president in the cabinet. The president abides by the law but he does not rule. Granting the president specific cabinet shares is a violation of the constitution.”

Parliament

Without directly criticizing his allay Speaker Nabih Berri Aoun said:

” There are many projects we are currently studying. It a shame to obstruct the work of the parliament , just because there is no cabinet.”

Mikati

Lebanon has been run by a caretaker government since last January. Mikati was appointed in January as the PM designate with the backing of the Hezbollah led-March 8 alliance, MPs Walid Jumblatt and Mohammad Safadi . March 14 leaders have repeatedly said that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination

Mikati has not yet been able to form a cabinet . Aoun’s demand that he should receive a blocking third of cabinet seats, including the Interior Ministry , currently part of President Suleiman’s cabinet share has reportedly been the main reason behind the delay in cabinet formation. Despite his denial of being the obstacle , Aoun reconfirmed today that his demand for the ministry of Interior remains the main reason behind the delay.

  • george_shalhoub

    Aoun you are the whore of Hezbollah and the only reason they want the Interior ministry so they can control all aspect of Lebanese life and politics. Without it they know the current MP will cooperate with the STL and behave independently of Hezbollah at least 1/2 of the times. You have no rights Aoun for you have done absolutely nothing for Lebanon. You have sacrificed Lebanese troops for your stupid adventure that led to you running away like a dog. You’re nothing but a high paid hooker like Wahab, Arslan and most of Hezbollah leaders. They’re stupid idiots who do not give a hoot about Lebanon or Lebanese. the only reason they’re fighting Israelis its because Israel is standing in their way to control all of Lebanon and Middle East. It would be a pleasure for next war when israelis will wipe you and them out and take out the Syrian regime once and for all. May Allah protect lebanon from the low lives like you and Hezbollah.

    • ghzayel

      can some one, and preferably a tayar sympathizer, please tell me what did mr aoun and his tayyar party achieve for the people of lebanon after the year 2005, date of his return to the country???

      in my dictionary, he did nothing but create problems and troubles on every political occasion and event, antagonizing friends and foes alike. he was a rude and abnoxious master of deception in the christian camp and now, after playing the silent partner with hizballah for a while he is revealing his truth or the lack of it to the 8th of march group who definitely deserve some one like him.

      as of now, the 14th of march folks are more than happy and secretly jubilating to see mr. aoun, after switching sides, running loose like a tsunami, trying to destroy everything that stands in his way in the 8th of march camp and he will probably continue doing what he is doing until his self destruction once he runs out of targets.

      • libnan1

        I’m glad you asked, I do appreciate a constructive criticism without using lawyer’s language.

        1. Aoun was never in power after his return to the country, he just participated in governments.
        2. Aoun allied the Christians with patriotic Lebanese.
        3. I think you need to wait for him to assume control and judge him. M14 had been in power for the last 20 years.
        4. Aoun insisted on the return of all the Christians to Shouf before he met Jumblat. Success …. all refugees are back in
        their towns. M14 had 18 years to achieve without any results.
        5. Aoun helped increase the share of electricity to other parts of Lebanon instead of having it concentrated in Beirut. M14 had power 24/7 in Beirut while the rest of the country was barely getting 4 hrs/day. For example we have a place in Zouk where the electricity is being produced but it was all shipped to Hariri land. From what I hear Zouk residents suffer from pollution and lack of power.

        These are few that I can think of right now. Civilized responses are appreciated.

        • antar2011

          inshaAllah Aoun will never be in power. not only his past but his current actions show that he is not fit at all to be in government nor in lebanon…he has put Wahhab in his pockets..well actually not that bad….but almost as low as Wahhab.

          the only thing he managed to do is divide the christians and fasten the chaos in lebanon more then ever by the orders of his king in syria.

          he is doing that while stealing as much as money as he and his family, and his “clan” can from the government in a time when there is no accountability.

          his son in law’s scoring points while creating a fuel problem is an example of how low Aoun and his close family and ‘clan” have come..

          Aoun is the typical image of the dictators that are falling at the moment in the region…he is not only outdated but he will eventually fall with his greed and thurst for power in the same way others like him did.

          while boasting about the majority he currently has, he manages to ignore the fact that this dillusional majority was not really the result of elections that represent the real voices of the people.

          Aoun is a clown and he was permitted to come back to lebanon and be in the position he is now only to create strife, chaos and ‘balbalaat’, nothing more nothing less. the sooner he and his supporters realise it the better for them.

        • ghzayel

          i like nothing better than a civilized conversation and answering your post. my comments are as follows:

          1- aoun’s tayar claim of reform and change so far was neither. corruption and nepotism is still alive and well and rampant in his tayar as well as in the other lebanese political groups so no cahnge there

          . it is true he was not in power, being elected as president of lebanon, nevertheless he was elected mp (eventhough i was present at his return ceremony in downtown beirut i never voted for him or any of his followers after his historic 2005 switch) and he made sure a lot of his protegees including his “beloved bassil” were in some key ministerial positions at one time or another.

          2- aoun allied himself with a bunch of anti democracy political groups mostly syrian proxies he personally used to label them when he was in france as working for the destruction of lebanon. i believed him then, during his “rassemblement pour la republique” now i dont believe anything he says anymore. i expected a lot from him, but his tayar’s performance turned out to be worst than the 14th of march group despite all its shortcomings.
          .
          as far as christians are concerned i am one disillusioned christian mr aoun lost me along with more than half of the lebanese population.

          mr.aoun’s disastrous agreement with hizballah who is basically became after the year 2000 an unconstitutional sectarian militia party, brought a series of disasters to lebanon by emboldening hizballah and his pseudo partners to defy and rebel against the lebanese authorities in any which way possible.

          starting with the 2006 war, the 18 months forced camping in downtown beirut, the 7th of may fiasco occupation of west beirut, the numerous provocations and clashes with the lebanese armed forces and the united nations organization, the continued violation of un resolutions, the setting of bad precedents for the palestinians in and outside the camps to hold on to their weapons, the illegal confiscations of lands and constructions by hizballah and cos. sympathizers, spreading throughout the shia areas…

          yes mr. aoun did not convince me that allying lebanon with the syrian and iranian regimes in order to please hizballah and cos. is the way to go despite paying the heavy price for this isolationist and suicidal policy by antagonizing the rest of the arabs, the world communities and the united nations organization.

          3- if the christians in lebanon were feeling more secure and their situation was improving in all aspects after mr, aoun’s return to lebanon so why their numbers in lebanon are still on the decline since 2005 and why the christian capitals and brains are still migrating from lebanon???

          4- dont get me started about electricity. i can assure you with facts that a lot of regions outside beirut now are still getting only 12 hours or less power per day, even with the whiz kid bassil in charge who by the way is not popular at all in your tayar…

          • kamille1

            very well said ghzayel.

          • libnan1

            Thanks for your response; conversations like these will make us a better country.
            First I do not belong to the Tayar or any other organization period. I have not been to Lebanon in 15 years while my mom is a frequent visitor. I do follow the events through the media and conversations with friends, I heard things like you mentioned in your response about Aoun’s inner circle.
            1. My support to Aoun is not absolute; I have criticized him before and continue to do so when I see his policies are inappropriate. I did not have a conviction for Aoun until I heard his vision back in 2004.
            2. My support to HA due to experiences I had with the Shites friends here and back in Lebanon. I felt very proud Lebanese after 2000 liberation and after the 2006 war. Having said that I hope that the Shite’s population does not empowered to offend other Lebanese. As I see the leadership is maturing.
            3. As far as Syria, we have to have good relationship with Syria based on mutual respect. We can’t have them enemies. I don’t agree with their governing style but it’s not of my business.
            4. As far as the Arab world, I care less for these people. We got nothing but trouble from them. They were very happy to see us burn while they prospered. Now it’s their turn.
            5. Aoun made many mistakes but I have to disagree with you about his alliance with HA. I have the outmost respect for our fellow Shite Lebanese. Many people accuse them of being Iran or Syria puppets or whatever… I strongly believe they are as Lebanese as we are, they put their blood on the line for Lebanon. I don’t think they want to live under mulla control like people on this site accuse them. They enjoy the freedom that Lebanon offers and they will not trade it for anything. They like to drink Arak as much as I do.
            6. All this is from experiences I had and not from some fiction. I’ve had bad experience with M14 alliance Christians and Muslims. The hatred that I experienced from Sunnis and Druse does not give me the confidence that the present M14 alliance is good for Lebanon.
            Kas Libnan.

      • Ghzayel,

        What is March 14th achievements since 2005,instead of assisting the enemy to kill my
        family in the south,hence wiki leaks..?

        And George as an educated successful attorney,I must say its quite dissapointing
        to here this kind of language from someone that is educated and Lebanese…just
        an observation I wanted to mention,your point will be taken if you try to tone it down
        and form a constructive debate,name calling and insulting the other half of the country
        is not gonna get us anywhere…Hope u both have a good day…

        • antar2011

          thanks for th elikes of Aoun, Berri and Hizbollah, march 14 had a lot of potential to do something for the country but it was constintly stopped or delayed….

          what can any govt do anything when the parliament is forcefuly closed by the dishonourable Berri?

          but against all the obstructions and destruction of 2006 hizbollah made war and the chaos of may 2008, not mentioning of course the sit in down town beirut that lasted for more then a year, paris 11 was still made, 2006 war was still stopped before absolute total destruction of the country [not only the south] and some other projects here and there…something that if march 8 has govt lebanon for million years it would not achiever because of their internal greed and disagreement.

      • PROPHET.T

        ghzayel,
        Your question as to what Aoun has done for the people of Lebanon can easily be directed at all Lebanese leaders.Non of them has done anything .
        Two elections, three cabinets, a new president, yet Lebanon still has no electricity,No running water, no sewer system, and s o on. All of them make promises, yet no one has done anything except instigate more sectarian strifes,and hatred.

  • george_shalhoub

    Aoun you are the whore of Hezbollah and the only reason they want the Interior ministry so they can control all aspect of Lebanese life and politics. Without it they know the current MP will cooperate with the STL and behave independently of Hezbollah at least 1/2 of the times. You have no rights Aoun for you have done absolutely nothing for Lebanon. You have sacrificed Lebanese troops for your stupid adventure that led to you running away like a dog. You’re nothing but a high paid hooker like Wahab, Arslan and most of Hezbollah leaders. They’re stupid idiots who do not give a hoot about Lebanon or Lebanese. the only reason they’re fighting Israelis its because Israel is standing in their way to control all of Lebanon and Middle East. It would be a pleasure for next war when israelis will wipe you and them out and take out the Syrian regime once and for all. May Allah protect lebanon from the low lives like you and Hezbollah.

  • Anonymous

    Aoun you are the whore of Hezbollah and the only reason they want the Interior ministry so they can control all aspect of Lebanese life and politics. Without it they know the current MP will cooperate with the STL and behave independently of Hezbollah at least 1/2 of the times. You have no rights Aoun for you have done absolutely nothing for Lebanon. You have sacrificed Lebanese troops for your stupid adventure that led to you running away like a dog. You’re nothing but a high paid hooker like Wahab, Arslan and most of Hezbollah leaders. They’re stupid idiots who do not give a hoot about Lebanon or Lebanese. the only reason they’re fighting Israelis its because Israel is standing in their way to control all of Lebanon and Middle East. It would be a pleasure for next war when israelis will wipe you and them out and take out the Syrian regime once and for all. May Allah protect lebanon from the low lives like you and Hezbollah.

  • ghzayel

    can some one, and preferably a tayar sympathizer, please tell me what did mr aoun and his tayyar party achieve for the people of lebanon after the year 2005, date of his return to the country???

    in my dictionary, he did nothing but create problems and troubles on every political occasion and event, antagonizing friends and foes alike. he was a rude and abnoxious master of deception in the christian camp and now, after playing the silent partner with hizballah for a while he is revealing his truth or the lack of it to the 8th of march group who definitely deserve some one like him.

    as of now, the 14th of march folks are more than happy and secretly jubilating to see mr. aoun, after switching sides, running loose like a tsunami, trying to destroy everything that stands in his way in the 8th of march camp and he will probably continue doing what he is doing until his self destruction once he runs out of targets.

    • libnan1

      I’m glad you asked, I do appreciate a constructive criticism without using lawyer’s language.

      1. Aoun was never in power after his return to the country, he just participated in governments.
      2. Aoun allied the Christians with patriotic Lebanese.
      3. I think you need to wait for him to assume control and judge him. M14 had been in power for the last 20 years.
      4. Aoun insisted on the return of all the Christians to Shouf before he met Jumblat. Success …. all refugees are back in
      their towns. M14 had 18 years to achieve without any results.
      5. Aoun helped increase the share of electricity to other parts of Lebanon instead of having it concentrated in Beirut. M14 had power 24/7 in Beirut while the rest of the country was barely getting 4 hrs/day. For example we have a place in Zouk where the electricity is being produced but it was all shipped to Hariri land. From what I hear Zouk residents suffer from pollution and lack of power.

      These are few that I can think of right now. Civilized responses are appreciated.

      • antar2011

        inshaAllah Aoun will never be in power. not only his past but his current actions show that he is not fit at all to be in government nor in lebanon…he has put Wahhab in his pockets..well actually not that bad….but almost as low as Wahhab.

        the only thing he managed to do is divide the christians and fasten the chaos in lebanon more then ever by the orders of his king in syria.

        he is doing that while stealing as much as money as he and his family, and his “clan” can from the government in a time when there is no accountability.

        his son in law’s scoring points while creating a fuel problem is an example of how low Aoun and his close family and ‘clan” have come..

        Aoun is the typical image of the dictators that are falling at the moment in the region…he is not only outdated but he will eventually fall with his greed and thurst for power in the same way others like him did.

        while boasting about the majority he currently has, he manages to ignore the fact that this dillusional majority was not really the result of elections that represent the real voices of the people.

        Aoun is a clown and he was permitted to come back to lebanon and be in the position he is now only to create strife, chaos and ‘balbalaat’, nothing more nothing less. the sooner he and his supporters realise it the better for them.

      • ghzayel

        i like nothing better than a civilized conversation and answering your post. my comments are as follows:

        1- aoun’s tayar claim of reform and change so far was neither. corruption and nepotism is still alive and well and rampant in his tayar as well as in the other lebanese political groups so no cahnge there

        . it is true he was not in power, being elected as president of lebanon, nevertheless he was elected mp (eventhough i was present at his return ceremony in downtown beirut i never voted for him or any of his followers after his historic 2005 switch) and he made sure a lot of his protegees including his “beloved bassil” were in some key ministerial positions at one time or another.

        2- aoun allied himself with a bunch of anti democracy political groups mostly syrian proxies he personally used to label them when he was in france as working for the destruction of lebanon. i believed him then, during his “rassemblement pour la republique” now i dont believe anything he says anymore. i expected a lot from him, but his tayar’s performance turned out to be worst than the 14th of march group despite all its shortcomings.
        .
        as far as christians are concerned i am one disillusioned christian mr aoun lost me along with more than half of the lebanese population.

        mr.aoun’s disastrous agreement with hizballah who is basically became after the year 2000 an unconstitutional sectarian militia party, brought a series of disasters to lebanon by emboldening hizballah and his pseudo partners to defy and rebel against the lebanese authorities in any which way possible.

        starting with the 2006 war, the 18 months forced camping in downtown beirut, the 7th of may fiasco occupation of west beirut, the numerous provocations and clashes with the lebanese armed forces and the united nations organization, the continued violation of un resolutions, the setting of bad precedents for the palestinians in and outside the camps to hold on to their weapons, the illegal confiscations of lands and constructions by hizballah and cos. sympathizers, spreading throughout the shia areas…

        yes mr. aoun did not convince me that allying lebanon with the syrian and iranian regimes in order to please hizballah and cos. is the way to go despite paying the heavy price for this isolationist and suicidal policy by antagonizing the rest of the arabs, the world communities and the united nations organization.

        3- if the christians in lebanon were feeling more secure and their situation was improving in all aspects after mr, aoun’s return to lebanon so why their numbers in lebanon are still on the decline since 2005 and why the christian capitals and brains are still migrating from lebanon???

        4- dont get me started about electricity. i can assure you with facts that a lot of regions outside beirut now are still getting only 12 hours or less power per day, even with the whiz kid bassil in charge who by the way is not popular at all in your tayar…

        • kamille1

          very well said ghzayel.

        • libnan1

          Thanks for your response; conversations like these will make us a better country.
          First I do not belong to the Tayar or any other organization period. I have not been to Lebanon in 15 years while my mom is a frequent visitor. I do follow the events through the media and conversations with friends, I heard things like you mentioned in your response about Aoun’s inner circle.
          1. My support to Aoun is not absolute; I have criticized him before and continue to do so when I see his policies are inappropriate. I did not have a conviction for Aoun until I heard his vision back in 2004.
          2. My support to HA due to experiences I had with the Shites friends here and back in Lebanon. I felt very proud Lebanese after 2000 liberation and after the 2006 war. Having said that I hope that the Shite’s population does not empowered to offend other Lebanese. As I see the leadership is maturing.
          3. As far as Syria, we have to have good relationship with Syria based on mutual respect. We can’t have them enemies. I don’t agree with their governing style but it’s not of my business.
          4. As far as the Arab world, I care less for these people. We got nothing but trouble from them. They were very happy to see us burn while they prospered. Now it’s their turn.
          5. Aoun made many mistakes but I have to disagree with you about his alliance with HA. I have the outmost respect for our fellow Shite Lebanese. Many people accuse them of being Iran or Syria puppets or whatever… I strongly believe they are as Lebanese as we are, they put their blood on the line for Lebanon. I don’t think they want to live under mulla control like people on this site accuse them. They enjoy the freedom that Lebanon offers and they will not trade it for anything. They like to drink Arak as much as I do.
          6. All this is from experiences I had and not from some fiction. I’ve had bad experience with M14 alliance Christians and Muslims. The hatred that I experienced from Sunnis and Druse does not give me the confidence that the present M14 alliance is good for Lebanon.
          Kas Libnan.

  • Anonymous

    can some one, and preferably a tayar sympathizer, please tell me what did mr aoun and his tayyar party achieve for the people of lebanon after the year 2005, date of his return to the country???

    in my dictionary, he did nothing but create problems and troubles on every political occasion and event, antagonizing friends and foes alike. he was a rude and abnoxious master of deception in the christian camp and now, after playing the silent partner with hizballah for a while he is revealing his truth to the 8th of march camp.

    as of now, the 14th of march folks are more than happy and secretly jubilating to see mr. aoun running loose like a tsunami, trying to destroy everything that stands in his way in the 8th of march camp before destroying himself and those around him once he runs out of targets.

    • Anonymous

      I’m glad you asked, I do appreciate a constructive criticism without using lawyer’s language.

      1. Aoun was never in power after his return to the country, he just participated in governments.
      2. Aoun allied the Christians with patriotic Lebanese.
      3. I think you need to wait for him to assume control and judge him. M14 had been in power for the last 20 years.
      4. Aoun insisted on the return of all the Christians to Shouf before he met Jumblat. Success …. all refugees are back in
      their towns. M14 had 18 years to achieve without any results.
      5. Aoun helped increase the share of electricity to other parts of Lebanon instead of having it concentrated in Beirut. M14 had power 24/7 in Beirut while the rest of the country was barely getting 4 hrs/day. For example we have a place in Zouk where the electricity is being produced but it was all shipped to Hariri land. From what I hear Zouk residents suffer from pollution and lack of power.

      These are few that I can think of right now. Civilized responses are appreciated.

      • Anonymous

        inshaAllah Aoun will never be in power. not only his past but his current actions show that he is not fit at all to be in government nor in lebanon…he has put Wahhab in his pockets..well actually not that bad….but almost as low as Wahhab.

        the only thing he managed to do is divide the christians and fasten the chaos in lebanon more then ever by the orders of his king in syria.

        he is doing that while stealing as much as money as he and his family, and his “clan” can from the government in a time when there is no accountability.

        his son in law’s scoring points while creating a fuel problem is an example of how low Aoun and his close family and ‘clan” have come..

        Aoun is the typical image of the dictators that are falling at the moment in the region…he is not only outdated but he will eventually fall with his greed and thurst for power in the same way others like him did.

        while boasting about the majority he currently has, he manages to ignore the fact that this dillusional majority was not really the result of elections that represent the real voices of the people.

        Aoun is a clown and he was permitted to come back to lebanon and be in the position he is now only to create strife, chaos and ‘balbalaat’, nothing more nothing less. the sooner he and his supporters realise it the better for them.

      • Anonymous

        i like nothing better than a civilized conversation and answering your post. my comments are as follows:

        1- aoun’s tayar claim of reform and change so far was neither. corruption and nepotism is still alive and well and rampant in his tayar as well as in the other lebanese political groups so no cahnge there

        . it is true he was not in power, being elected as president of lebanon, nevertheless he was elected mp (eventhough i was present at his return ceremony in downtown beirut i never voted for him or any of his followers after his historic 2005 switch) and he made sure a lot of his protegees including his “beloved bassil” were in some key ministerial positions at one time or another.

        2- aoun allied himself with a bunch of anti democracy political groups mostly syrian proxies he personally used to label them when he was in france as working for the destruction of lebanon. i believed him then, during his “rassemblement pour la republique” now i dont believe anything he says anymore. i expected a lot from him, but his tayar’s performance turned out to be worst than the 14th of march group despite all its shortcomings.
        .
        as far as christians are concerned i am one disillusioned christian mr aoun lost me along with more than half of the lebanese population.

        mr.aoun’s disastrous agreement with hizballah who is basically became after the year 2000 an unconstitutional sectarian militia party, brought a series of disasters to lebanon by emboldening hizballah and his pseudo partners to defy and rebel against the lebanese authorities in any which way possible.

        starting with the 2006 war, the 18 months forced camping in downtown beirut, the 7th of may fiasco occupation of west beirut, the numerous provocations and clashes with the lebanese armed forces and the united nations organization, the continued violation of un resolutions, the setting of bad precedents for the palestinians in and outside the camps to hold on to their weapons, the illegal confiscations of lands and constructions by hizballah and cos. sympathizers, spreading throughout the shia areas…

        yes mr. aoun did not convince me that allying lebanon with the syrian and iranian regimes in order to please hizballah and cos. is the way to go despite paying the heavy price for this isolationist and suicidal policy by antagonizing the rest of the arabs, the world communities and the united nations organization.

        3- if the christians in lebanon were feeling more secure and their situation was improving in all aspects after mr, aoun’s return to lebanon so why their numbers in lebanon are still on the decline since 2005 and why the christian capitals and brains are still migrating from lebanon???

        4- dont get me started about electricity. i can assure you with facts that a lot of regions outside beirut now are still getting only 12 hours or less power per day, even with the whiz kid bassil in charge who by the way is not popular at all in your tayar…

        • Anonymous

          very well said ghzayel.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for your response; conversations like these will make us a better country.
          First I do not belong to the Tayar or any other organization period. I have not been to Lebanon in 15 years while my mom is a frequent visitor. I do follow the events through the media and conversations with friends, I heard things like you mentioned in your response about Aoun’s inner circle.
          1. My support to Aoun is not absolute; I have criticized him before and continue to do so when I see his policies are inappropriate. I did not have a conviction for Aoun until I heard his vision back in 2004.
          2. My support to HA due to experiences I had with the Shites friends here and back in Lebanon. I felt very proud Lebanese after 2000 liberation and after the 2006 war. Having said that I hope that the Shite’s population does not empowered to offend other Lebanese. As I see the leadership is maturing.
          3. As far as Syria, we have to have good relationship with Syria based on mutual respect. We can’t have them enemies. I don’t agree with their governing style but it’s not of my business.
          4. As far as the Arab world, I care less for these people. We got nothing but trouble from them. They were very happy to see us burn while they prospered. Now it’s their turn.
          5. Aoun made many mistakes but I have to disagree with you about his alliance with HA. I have the outmost respect for our fellow Shite Lebanese. Many people accuse them of being Iran or Syria puppets or whatever… I strongly believe they are as Lebanese as we are, they put their blood on the line for Lebanon. I don’t think they want to live under mulla control like people on this site accuse them. They enjoy the freedom that Lebanon offers and they will not trade it for anything. They like to drink Arak as much as I do.
          6. All this is from experiences I had and not from some fiction. I’ve had bad experience with M14 alliance Christians and Muslims. The hatred that I experienced from Sunnis and Druse does not give me the confidence that the present M14 alliance is good for Lebanon.
          Kas Libnan.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for your response; conversations like these will make us a better country.
          First I do not belong to the Tayar or any other organization period. I have not been to Lebanon in 15 years while my mom is a frequent visitor. I do follow the events through the media and conversations with friends, I heard things like you mentioned in your response about Aoun’s inner circle.
          1. My support to Aoun is not absolute; I have criticized him before and continue to do so when I see his policies are inappropriate. I did not have a conviction for Aoun until I heard his vision back in 2004.
          2. My support to HA due to experiences I had with the Shites friends here and back in Lebanon. I felt very proud Lebanese after 2000 liberation and after the 2006 war. Having said that I hope that the Shite’s population does not empowered to offend other Lebanese. As I see the leadership is maturing.
          3. As far as Syria, we have to have good relationship with Syria based on mutual respect. We can’t have them enemies. I don’t agree with their governing style but it’s not of my business.
          4. As far as the Arab world, I care less for these people. We got nothing but trouble from them. They were very happy to see us burn while they prospered. Now it’s their turn.
          5. Aoun made many mistakes but I have to disagree with you about his alliance with HA. I have the outmost respect for our fellow Shite Lebanese. Many people accuse them of being Iran or Syria puppets or whatever… I strongly believe they are as Lebanese as we are, they put their blood on the line for Lebanon. I don’t think they want to live under mulla control like people on this site accuse them. They enjoy the freedom that Lebanon offers and they will not trade it for anything. They like to drink Arak as much as I do.
          6. All this is from experiences I had and not from some fiction. I’ve had bad experience with M14 alliance Christians and Muslims. The hatred that I experienced from Sunnis and Druse does not give me the confidence that the present M14 alliance is good for Lebanon.
          Kas Libnan.

    • Anonymous

      I’m glad you asked, I do appreciate a constructive criticism without using lawyer’s language.

      1. Aoun was never in power after his return to the country, he just participated in governments.
      2. Aoun allied the Christians with patriotic Lebanese.
      3. I think you need to wait for him to assume control and judge him. M14 had been in power for the last 20 years.
      4. Aoun insisted on the return of all the Christians to Shouf before he met Jumblat. Success …. all refugees are back in
      their towns. M14 had 18 years to achieve without any results.
      5. Aoun helped increase the share of electricity to other parts of Lebanon instead of having it concentrated in Beirut. M14 had power 24/7 in Beirut while the rest of the country was barely getting 4 hrs/day. For example we have a place in Zouk where the electricity is being produced but it was all shipped to Hariri land. From what I hear Zouk residents suffer from pollution and lack of power.

      These are few that I can think of right now. Civilized responses are appreciated.

    • Ghzayel,

      What is March 14th achievements since 2005,instead of assisting the enemy to kill my
      family in the south,hence wiki leaks..?

      And George as an educated successful attorney,I must say its quite dissapointing
      to here this kind of language from someone that is educated and Lebanese…just
      an observation I wanted to mention,your point will be taken if you try to tone it down
      and form a constructive debate,name calling and insulting the other half of the country
      is not gonna get us anywhere…Hope u both have a good day…

      • Anonymous

        thanks for th elikes of Aoun, Berri and Hizbollah, march 14 had a lot of potential to do something for the country but it was constintly stopped or delayed….

        what can any govt do anything when the parliament is forcefuly closed by the dishonourable Berri?

        but against all the obstructions and destruction of 2006 hizbollah made war and the chaos of may 2008, not mentioning of course the sit in down town beirut that lasted for more then a year, paris 11 was still made, 2006 war was still stopped before absolute total destruction of the country [not only the south] and some other projects here and there…something that if march 8 has govt lebanon for million years it would not achiever because of their internal greed and disagreement.

    • PROPHET.T

      ghzayel,
      Your question as to what Aoun has done for the people of Lebanon can easily be directed at all Lebanese leaders.Non of them has done anything .
      Two elections, three cabinets, a new president, yet Lebanon still has no electricity,No running water, no sewer system, and s o on. All of them make promises, yet no one has done anything except instigate more sectarian strifes,and hatred.

  • libnan1

    Studmister. Never give an inch ….

  • Anonymous

    Studmister. Never give an inch ….

  • lebnaneh

    aoun you always been the bigges in everything handsom you been
    the biggest foul
    the biggest idoit
    the biggest bastered
    the biggest thief
    and now you proved that you are the biggest daffty of all what a waist of space you are

  • Anonymous

    aoun you always been the bigges in everything handsom you been
    the biggest foul
    the biggest idoit
    the biggest bastered
    the biggest thief
    and now you proved that you are the biggest daffty of all what a waist of space you are

  • ohliban75

    george,when a true lebanese like you speaks out the truth ,and expose the enemies of Lebanon from within and abroad,their supporters cry wolf,it has become something in that text,” damn if you say and damn if you don’t”
    As we all know it, its an absolute dreadry approach to level with the enemies of Lebanon, they will do whatever it takes to follow the agenda of their foreinge counterpart by keeping on interfering in Lebanon’s internal affair just to control and destroy in every aspect that is possible..
    Keep your voice heard.

    • Ohlibnan,

      So anyone that doesnt agree with your politics but is from your home land
      is your enemy? brother this is wrong,the enemies of enemies from the day
      lebanon started are allies now,and the allies of allies are enemies now,but
      the lebanese being brothers has never changed,we disagree on what freedom is,
      or which nation may have our best interest,but at the end with some of the talk
      on this blog it really makes me wonder what we are anymore,to be honest
      for the first time it makes me sad to know that the world will be remembered
      for hate and forgotten by peace…assalam

      • ohliban75

        Michael,bro,I totally agree with you the lebanese being brothers has never changed,yes we have different ideas and platforms on what freedom and democracy what is all about.
        The lebanese should stand united equally without any bias agenda if we to save lebanon as nation,because without any concessions its all false hopes.I personally believe that lebanese lost their trust in each others by constantlay repeating the same mistakes of the past,that’s why reconciliatinons was always based on false assumptions,and at the end of the day it is every responsible citizen’s fault because we should know as a sovereign nation if to exist,relegion and gevernment don’t go hand in hand.
        hatred and violence are not a legit to bring a nation together,both you and I surely agree on that.
        We all get carried away most of the times and let our emotions dictate our thought,which is totally wrong.
        I thank you for your constructive comment bro,and looking forward to chat with you some more.
        Good day!

        • Ohlibnan75,

          Trust me I know how emotions can get the best of anyone especially me,
          so whn i see someone doing the same as i was doing i like to correct it,
          not only for you or other posters,but also as a reminder for me and it takes
          me back to my compassionate side to my brothers back home and abroad,
          Think how great this forum would be for dialogue and understanding eachother,
          if we just all use the simple word of respect whn we speak,i read your other posts
          and see your a good guy bro,i Like the dialogue between us as i also enjoy reading
          the dialogue between Ghayzael and Libnan1,thats wht i honestly enjoy seeing,
          i dont need anyone to agree with me 100 percent,but at least try to see where we
          are coming from,and ofcourse we will do the same from your end….anyway bro,have
          a good day…

  • Anonymous

    george,when a true lebanese like you speaks out the truth ,and expose the enemies of Lebanon from within and abroad,their supporters cry wolf,it has become something in that text,” damn if you say and damn if you don’t”
    As we all know it, its an absolute dreadry approach to level with the enemies of Lebanon, they will do whatever it takes to follow the agenda of their foreinge counterpart by keeping on interfering in Lebanon’s internal affair just to control and destroy in every aspect that is possible..
    Keep your voice heard.

    • Ohlibnan,

      So anyone that doesnt agree with your politics but is from your home land
      is your enemy? brother this is wrong,the enemies of enemies from the day
      lebanon started are allies now,and the allies of allies are enemies now,but
      the lebanese being brothers has never changed,we disagree on what freedom is,
      or which nation may have our best interest,but at the end with some of the talk
      on this blog it really makes me wonder what we are anymore,to be honest
      for the first time it makes me sad to know that the world will be remembered
      for hate and forgotten by peace…assalam

      • Anonymous

        Michael,bro,I totally agree with you the lebanese being brothers has never changed,yes we have different ideas and platforms on what freedom and democracy what is all about.
        The lebanese should stand united equally without any bias agenda if we to save lebanon as nation,because without any concessions its all false hopes.I personally believe that lebanese lost their trust in each others by constantlay repeating the same mistakes of the past,that’s why reconciliatinons was always based on false assumptions,and at the end of the day it is every responsible citizen’s fault because we should know as a sovereign nation if to exist,relegion and gevernment don’t go hand in hand.
        hatred and violence are not a legit to bring a nation together,both you and I surely agree on that.
        We all get carried away most of the times and let our emotions dictate our thought,which is totally wrong.
        I thank you for your constructive comment bro,and looking forward to chat with you some more.
        Good day!

        • Ohlibnan75,

          Trust me I know how emotions can get the best of anyone especially me,
          so whn i see someone doing the same as i was doing i like to correct it,
          not only for you or other posters,but also as a reminder for me and it takes
          me back to my compassionate side to my brothers back home and abroad,
          Think how great this forum would be for dialogue and understanding eachother,
          if we just all use the simple word of respect whn we speak,i read your other posts
          and see your a good guy bro,i Like the dialogue between us as i also enjoy reading
          the dialogue between Ghayzael and Libnan1,thats wht i honestly enjoy seeing,
          i dont need anyone to agree with me 100 percent,but at least try to see where we
          are coming from,and ofcourse we will do the same from your end….anyway bro,have
          a good day…

        • Ohlibnan75,

          Trust me I know how emotions can get the best of anyone especially me,
          so whn i see someone doing the same as i was doing i like to correct it,
          not only for you or other posters,but also as a reminder for me and it takes
          me back to my compassionate side to my brothers back home and abroad,
          Think how great this forum would be for dialogue and understanding eachother,
          if we just all use the simple word of respect whn we speak,i read your other posts
          and see your a good guy bro,i Like the dialogue between us as i also enjoy reading
          the dialogue between Ghayzael and Libnan1,thats wht i honestly enjoy seeing,
          i dont need anyone to agree with me 100 percent,but at least try to see where we
          are coming from,and ofcourse we will do the same from your end….anyway bro,have
          a good day…

  • ghzayel

    i like nothing better than a civilized conversation and answering your post. my comments are as follows:

    1- aoun’s tayar claim of reform and change so far was neither. corruption and nepotism is still alive, well and rampant in his tayar as well as in the other lebanese political groups so no change there.

    . it is true mr. aoun personally was not in power, being elected as president of lebanon, nevertheless he was elected mp head of an important political coalition (eventhough i was present at his return ceremony in downtown beirut i never voted for him or any of his followers after his historic 2005 switch) and he made sure a lot of his protegees including his “beloved bassil” were in some key ministerial positions at one time or another.

    2- aoun allied himself with a bunch of anti democracy political groups mostly syrian proxies he personally used to label them when he was in france as working for the destruction of lebanon. i believed him then, during his “rassemblement pour la republique” i dont believe anything he says anymore. i expected a lot from him, but his tayar’s performance turned out to be worst than the 14th of march group’s despite all its shortcomings.
    .
    as far as christians are concerned i am one disillusioned christian mr aoun lost me along with more than half of the lebanese population.

    mr.aoun’s disastrous agreement with hizballah who basically became after the year 2000 an unconstitutional sectarian militia party, brought a series of disasters to lebanon by emboldening hizballah and his pseudo partners to defy and rebel against the lebanese authorities in any which way possible.

    starting with the 2006 war, the 18 months forced camping in downtown beirut, the 7th of may fiasco occupation of west beirut, the numerous provocations and clashes with the lebanese armed forces and the united nations organization, the continued violation of un resolutions, the setting of bad precedents for the palestinians in and outside the camps to hold on to their weapons, the illegal confiscations of lands and constructions by hizballah and cos. sympathizers, spreading throughout the shia areas…

    yes mr. aoun did not convince me that allying lebanon with the syrian and iranian regimes in order to please hizballah and cos. is the way to go despite paying the heavy price for this isolationist and suicidal policy by antagonizing the rest of the arabs, the world communities and the united nations organization.

    3- if the christians in lebanon were feeling more secure and their situation was improving in all aspects after mr, aoun’s return to lebanon so why their numbers in lebanon are still on the decline since 2005 and why the christian capitals and brains are still migrating from lebanon???

    4- dont get me started about electricity. i can assure you with facts that a lot of regions outside beirut now are still getting only 12 hours or less power per day, even with the whiz kid bassil in charge who by the way is not popular at all in your tayar…

  • Anonymous

    i like nothing better than a civilized conversation and answering your post. my comments are as follows:

    1- aoun’s tayar claim of reform and change so far was neither. corruption and nepotism is still alive and well and rampant in his tayar as well as in the other lebanese political groups so no cahnge there

    . it is true he was not in power, being elected as president of lebanon, nevertheless he was elected mp (eventhough i was present at his return ceremony in downtown beirut i never voted for him or any of his followers after his historic 2005 switch) and he made sure a lot of his protegees including his “beloved bassil” were in some key ministerial positions at one time or another.

    2- aoun allied himself with a bunch of anti democracy political groups mostly syrian proxies he personally used to label them when he was in france as working for the destruction of lebanon. i believed him then, during his “rassemblement pour la republique” now i dont believe anything he says anymore. i expected a lot from him, but his tayar’s performance turned out to be worst than the 14th of march group despite all its shortcomings.
    .
    as far as christians are concerned i am one disillusioned christian mr aoun lost me along with more than half of the lebanese population.

    mr.aoun’s disastrous agreement with hizballah who is basically became after the year 2000 an unconstitutional sectarian militia party, brought a series of disasters to lebanon by emboldening hizballah and his pseudo partners to defy and rebel against the lebanese authorities in any which way possible.

    starting with the 2006 war, the 18 months forced camping in downtown beirut, the 7th of may fiasco occupation of west beirut, the numerous provocations and clashes with the lebanese armed forces and the united nations organization, the continued violation of un resolutions, the setting of bad precedents for the palestinians in and outside the camps to hold on to their weapons, the illegal confiscations of lands and constructions by hizballah and cos. sympathizers, spreading throughout the shia areas…

    yes mr. aoun did not convince me that allying lebanon with the syrian and iranian regimes in order to please hizballah and cos. is the way to go despite paying the heavy price for this isolationist and suicidal policy by antagonizing the rest of the arabs, the world communities and the united nations organization.

    3- if the christians in lebanon were feeling more secure and their situation was improving in all aspects after mr, aoun’s return to lebanon so why their numbers in lebanon are still on the decline since 2005 and why the christian capitals and brains are still migrating from lebanon???

    4- dont get me started about electricity. i can assure you with facts that a lot of regions outside beirut now are still getting only 12 hours or less power per day, even with the whiz kid bassil in charge who by the way is not popular at all in your tayar…

  • Hannibal

    battiikha 3ala karakoz orange tweety osrambo kherfeen. Didn’t he kick the bucket yet?

  • battiikha 3ala karakoz orange tweety osrambo kherfeen. Didn’t he kick the bucket yet?

  • Beiruti

    Discussing politics with an Aounist, is like discussing politics with a tree. In the end the tree still waves its leaves and stays in the same spot.

    • libnan1

      What you talking about, poor translation ????????

  • Beiruti

    Discussing politics with an Aounist, is like discussing politics with a tree. In the end the tree still waves its leaves and stays in the same spot.

  • Anonymous

    Discussing politics with an Aounist, is like discussing politics with a tree. In the end the tree still waves its leaves and stays in the same spot.

    • Anonymous

      What you talking about, poor translation ????????

  • ohliban75

    Michael,thnx bro for your feedback.

  • ohliban75

    Michael,thnx bro for your feedback.

  • Anonymous

    Michael,thnx bro for your feedback.

  • I wish the Lebanese could get international assistance in deporting all members of Hezbollah to Iran where they belong.They have wrecked your country and brought in Iran to try to rule you.Not only do they risk involving you in a major war at any time with Israel that could destroy everything,they hold you hostage from being a responsible member of the world, and leveled your government structure into nothing but squabbling when there are real issues to be dealt with.All the proud nationalism in your country,and this entity is your Achilles heal.Ditch them and come join the free world.Please.

  • I wish the Lebanese could get international assistance in deporting all members of Hezbollah to Iran where they belong.They have wrecked your country and brought in Iran to try to rule you.Not only do they risk involving you in a major war at any time with Israel that could destroy everything,they hold you hostage from being a responsible member of the world, and leveled your government structure into nothing but squabbling when there are real issues to be dealt with.All the proud nationalism in your country,and this entity is your Achilles heal.Ditch them and come join the free world.Please.

  • I wish the Lebanese could get international assistance in deporting all members of Hezbollah to Iran where they belong.They have wrecked your country and brought in Iran to try to rule you.Not only do they risk involving you in a major war at any time with Israel that could destroy everything,they hold you hostage from being a responsible member of the world, and leveled your government structure into nothing but squabbling when there are real issues to be dealt with.All the proud nationalism in your country,and this entity is your Achilles heal.Ditch them and come join the free world.Please.