Bkirrki: Will Geagea shake hands with Aoun, Franjieh?

Bkirki sources revealed on Sunday that Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros al-Rai is determined to gather all the Christian Maronite leaders under one roof on Tuesday even though he knows that achieving reconciliation between all of them is along shot . The maximum he can aspire to is to isolate the Christian unity from political differences .

The sources are speculating over how successful the gathering will be and whether there will be handshakes between Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea , FPM leader MP Michel Aoun and Marada Movement leader MP Suleiman Franjiyeh

The meeting will reportedly address matters related to demographic problems, selling land, Palestinian naturalization and other issues, the source added.

Commenting on the Bkirki gathering FPM MP Ibrahim Kanaan said on Sunday that the new Patriarch is “striving seriously to demonstrate the common ground among Christians”.

“Reconciliation between the Lebanese Forces and the FPM over the past ( civil war period) has already taken place , whether by Aoun’s visit to Geagea in the place of his detention or by Geagea’s visit to Aoun’s home in Rabieh.” Kanaan told Voice of Lebanon

  • Elinjaim

    Doctor Geagea is a true Christian who loves and forgives his enemy. I’m sure he’ll shake
    hands with “Shia” Aoun and all others.

    • Hannibal

      Why can’t you say “HA’s Aoun”? This sectarian talk is exactly what drives Shia into the laps of HA or Iran. What makes you more Lebanese than they are? Better yet, what if I were to tell you that I have cousins who in the 30s were Shiites and now they are Christians? Will that satisfy your criterium of being a Lebanese or are they still condemned. As a non-sectarian Lebanese, I am a majority… For you, as a Christian, you are a minority and whether you like it or not, with sectarian thinking you became the minority and Shiites are the majority therefore they rule. demographics rule. Watch Syria as it falls back in the hands of Sunnis. It is simple mathematics. However, if we think LEBANESE, we all become a majority. It is unbelievable that despite our ruination we still spew out that crap.

      • Lebanon was originally created for Syriac Christians. They are the core group. Everyone should be equal but the character of the state comes from them.

      • Elinjaim

        Sectarian talks is the common language in Lebanon. The only friends I have are all
        Shia, and we never had any religious conflict. We only use quotes from both holy
        books that unite us. Pushing Shia to the laps of Hizballah, as my friend Nabil said,
        is Hizballah obressive weapons and style, not sectarian talks. Shia in majority have
        good hearts and loving nature because of the teachings of Imam Ali. Unless I see by
        my own eyes, I don’t believe a Shia would kidnap and kill a Christian because he’s
        a Christian. Lebanon never was and never will be a Christian Country. I gladly would
        live under a fair Muslim ruler rather than a Syrian one or Iranian. My grand grand fathers
        lived under “Ma’aniyeen” rules and were happy and well protected. I see true religion as a
        uniting force not a dividing one. Stay well.

        • ohliban75

          Elinjaim,your grand grand fathers lived under “Ma’aniyeen” rules and were happy and well protected.
          For your knowledge honey bunch the ‘Ma’aniyeen’ were Druzes.do you know that AL-Ameer Fahkr el Deen Al’ Ma’aniye Al Kabeer was a Druze.
          I hope you don’t think that ”Ma’aniyeen” were shia because your best friends are shia.
          please don’t mutilate the History of Lebanon.
          The Mountains of Lebanon were ruled by Christians and Druzes way before Lebanon independence during the Ottoman Turks occupation in WW1.
          Al-Shehabiyeen were Christians and the Ma’aniyeen were Druze and both lived in harmony and peace.

    • Hannibal

      Why can’t you say “HA’s Aoun”? This sectarian talk is exactly what drives Shia into the laps of HA or Iran. What makes you more Lebanese than they are? Better yet, what if I were to tell you that I have cousins who in the 30s were Shiites and now they are Christians? Will that satisfy your criterium of being a Lebanese or are they still condemned. As a non-sectarian Lebanese, I am a majority… For you, as a Christian, you are a minority and whether you like it or not, with sectarian thinking you became the minority and Shiites are the majority therefore they rule. demographics rule. Watch Syria as it falls back in the hands of Sunnis. It is simple mathematics. However, if we think LEBANESE, we all become a majority. It is unbelievable that despite our ruination we still spew out that crap.

      • Lebanon was originally created for Syriac Christians. They are the core group. Everyone should be equal but the character of the state comes from them.

    • libnan1

      What are you talking about? LF were never Aouns enemies. Many Christians and Lebanese in general consider Geagea as a killer that caused the death of many Lebanese and Christians in particular.

      • Elinjaim

        Sorry, I don’t know much about Doctor Geagea past’s. According to the news, Syrians killed
        and kidnapped more than 100,000 young Christians and occupied their land forcing majority
        of them to leave Lebanon. I never heard about Dc. Geagea killing Christians. I guess, so many
        rumors and gassips I’m not aware of.

      • Beiruti

        LF and Aoun were never enemies? Im not going to bother typing just go read a book.

    • libnan1

      What are you talking about? LF were never Aouns enemies. Many Christians and Lebanese in general consider Geagea as a killer that caused the death of many Lebanese and Christians in particular.

      • Elinjaim

        Sorry, I don’t know much about Doctor Geagea past’s. According to the news, Syrians killed
        and kidnapped more than 100,000 young Christians and occupied their land forcing majority
        of them to leave Lebanon. I never heard about Dc. Geagea killing Christians. I guess, so many
        rumors and gassips I’m not aware of.

      • Beiruti

        LF and Aoun were never enemies? Im not going to bother typing just go read a book.

    • PROPHET.T

      What is “a true Christian” or ” true Muslim”? and according to who?What criteria do you follow to make such a determination about true followers of any sect?How many people does one have to murder to become a true follower of any sect or religion?
      Haven’t you people had enough worshiping of warlords and militia leaders who care only about their own personal interests?

      • Elinjaim

        True Christian means the one who believe in God Almighty and strictly follow his teachings
        from the Ten Commandments to the orders of Jesus such as love your enemy, forgive others’
        mistakes, feed the poor, clothe the naked, etc. I heard that Geagea and his party are doing that.
        Certainly Hizballah doesn’t like Geagea and that’s purely politics. I know lots of Muslims and my
        only friends are two Shia. If I’m a Christian, I have no enemy but the devil. Every human being
        is my sister or brother. As a Lebanese, I refuse to be loyal to any other country because of my
        religion, but to Lebanon. Are you?

        • PROPHET.T

          Great description of a true Christian(or Muslim or any believer), yet I’m not sure that truly applies to Geagea or to any Lebanese leader.

          I do share your views of humanity as a common connector to all of us. Yet I find it hard to believe that a person who seems to be very genuine and honest ,yet does not recognize that Geagea and every Lebanese warlord is nothing but a criminal. I’m not talking politics here,but you should know that all of them are somehow loyal to foreign countries. No country supports a Lebanese faction for free; It’s always about interests and loyalty to the country that pays in money or other forms of support.just common sense.
          That being said, I found it a bit strange that you question my loyalty when I’m attacking all of those who are loyal to other countries.

        • PROPHET.T

          Great description of a true Christian(or Muslim or any believer), yet I’m not sure that truly applies to Geagea or to any Lebanese leader.

          I do share your views of humanity as a common connector to all of us. Yet I find it hard to believe that a person who seems to be very genuine and honest ,yet does not recognize that Geagea and every Lebanese warlord is nothing but a criminal. I’m not talking politics here,but you should know that all of them are somehow loyal to foreign countries. No country supports a Lebanese faction for free; It’s always about interests and loyalty to the country that pays in money or other forms of support.just common sense.
          That being said, I found it a bit strange that you question my loyalty when I’m attacking all of those who are loyal to other countries.

        • master09

          I have a ? can you find me an ( Islamic charity organization ) that helps any other religion or community or race apart from the Islamic people.

        • master09

          I have a ? can you find me an ( Islamic charity organization ) that helps any other religion or community or race apart from the Islamic people.

    • PROPHET.T

      What is “a true Christian” or ” true Muslim”? and according to who?What criteria do you follow to make such a determination about true followers of any sect?How many people does one have to murder to become a true follower of any sect or religion?
      Haven’t you people had enough worshiping of warlords and militia leaders who care only about their own personal interests?

    • Cedar7

      ur ignorance is overwhelming. I wasn’t sure if you were speaking about the same geagea cuz the one i remember slaughtered many of his fellow christians

      • george_shalhoub

        Many leaders have blood on their hand in the civil war. So if you want to prosecute them, then at least Geagea served in jail unlike others. Why don’t prosecute Walid Beik on the slaughter of 200 christians in one single day alone after his father was killed by Syrian troops and let the slaughter go on. How about Karami gangs in Tripoli who kidnapped and killed Christians on regular basis. How about Franjieh clan and many clans in the Shiites and Sunnis community.
        But we all tried to forget the past and put it behind us. But let’s prosecute for real the killers of hariri and many true Lebanese patriots who died for their country and removed brutally by the Syrian and hezbollah thugs.. you all seems to forget about the mother fuckers who are still killing us every day.

        • master09

          We can forget the past but the problem is around the middle east and other countries, Christians today are still been massacred daily.
          Google( THE CHRONICLE WATCH ) also watch this ( http://youtu.be/oySB4uw4n18 ) and this is what is happening Today and every day. They are on a mission and that mission is clear kill all infidels. If a Christian man marry a Muslim woman what happens to him?? They say they want to live in peace with other religions when is that going to happen. I have no hate for any, some of my close friends are muslim but when you see what these uneducated radicals want to do many ?????? are in my head.

        • master09

          We can forget the past but the problem is around the middle east and other countries, Christians today are still been massacred daily.
          Google( THE CHRONICLE WATCH ) also watch this ( http://youtu.be/oySB4uw4n18 ) and this is what is happening Today and every day. They are on a mission and that mission is clear kill all infidels. If a Christian man marry a Muslim woman what happens to him?? They say they want to live in peace with other religions when is that going to happen. I have no hate for any, some of my close friends are muslim but when you see what these uneducated radicals want to do many ?????? are in my head.

        • Cedar7

          They all need to be persecuted, every single one of them. They want us as Lebanese to put this all behind us so we can move on rebuild our nation. I am for moving on but to just forgive all the warlords for their injustice is repulsive. All of the sects in Lebanon are responsible for massacres against others. Christians, Muslims, and Druze were all massacered and their is no denying that. Lebanon has some of the most educated individuals in the world but we choose to re-elect those who ruined the nation in the first place. I as a Lebanese have forgotten the past but will not forget what the warlords have committed. These people need to be brought to justice to serve as an example for all Lebanese that violence against your fellow countryman is flat out wrong

        • Cedar7

          They all need to be persecuted, every single one of them. They want us as Lebanese to put this all behind us so we can move on rebuild our nation. I am for moving on but to just forgive all the warlords for their injustice is repulsive. All of the sects in Lebanon are responsible for massacres against others. Christians, Muslims, and Druze were all massacered and their is no denying that. Lebanon has some of the most educated individuals in the world but we choose to re-elect those who ruined the nation in the first place. I as a Lebanese have forgotten the past but will not forget what the warlords have committed. These people need to be brought to justice to serve as an example for all Lebanese that violence against your fellow countryman is flat out wrong

      • Elinjaim

        Hello Cedar4; Your inpolitness is clearly showing. I think you are a kid and don’t know what you
        are talking about. Geagea didn’t kill one single Christian. Few political killings of
        Ahrar and Marada have happened when President Elect Basheer Jumayel was the LF leader. After
        his trajic death, Geagea took over and stopped all conflicts with Christian rivals, including Al-Marada.
        In fact, majority of killings were done by Aoun during his war against Syria that he lost terribly, and
        Syrian forces enterred Christians enclaves after that loss and kidnapped or killed over 100,000
        Christians and forced more than 250,000 to run away from Lebanon for their lives. You need a dose of
        politeness and two dozes of knowledge in history and facts. Stay well and learn more.

        • Cedar7

          With all due respect Elinjaim I could careless if my impoliteness is showing. Our people have suffered long enough at the hands of sectarian rulers for me to continue being polite. We as Lebanese continue to support the same individuals who destroyed Lebanon in the civil war. My frustration is not only directed at Geagea but Aoun, Hassan Narallah, Jumbladt, Berri and the rest of the goons in the government. Your facts are distinctively skewed, and to think Geagea or any warlord in both march camps has not committed crimes against humanity is flat out wrong. What i find funny and ridiculous for that matter is how you can call me a kid, because you seem to know it all. But of course I’m the immature one for seeing them all as scum while you and others continue to defend their own respective warlord. I will choose to be as impolite as I wish because my politeness has been exhausted by beliefs such as your own which have torn our nation apart. Cheers

      • Elinjaim

        Hello Cedar4; Your inpolitness is clearly showing. I think you are a kid and don’t know what you
        are talking about. Geagea didn’t kill one single Christian. Few political killings of
        Ahrar and Marada have happened when President Elect Basheer Jumayel was the LF leader. After
        his trajic death, Geagea took over and stopped all conflicts with Christian rivals, including Al-Marada.
        In fact, majority of killings were done by Aoun during his war against Syria that he lost terribly, and
        Syrian forces enterred Christians enclaves after that loss and kidnapped or killed over 100,000
        Christians and forced more than 250,000 to run away from Lebanon for their lives. You need a dose of
        politeness and two dozes of knowledge in history and facts. Stay well and learn more.

        • Cedar7

          With all due respect Elinjaim I could careless if my impoliteness is showing. Our people have suffered long enough at the hands of sectarian rulers for me to continue being polite. We as Lebanese continue to support the same individuals who destroyed Lebanon in the civil war. My frustration is not only directed at Geagea but Aoun, Hassan Narallah, Jumbladt, Berri and the rest of the goons in the government. Your facts are distinctively skewed, and to think Geagea or any warlord in both march camps has not committed crimes against humanity is flat out wrong. What i find funny and ridiculous for that matter is how you can call me a kid, because you seem to know it all. But of course I’m the immature one for seeing them all as scum while you and others continue to defend their own respective warlord. I will choose to be as impolite as I wish because my politeness has been exhausted by beliefs such as your own which have torn our nation apart. Cheers

  • Anonymous

    Doctor Geagea is a true Christian who loves and forgives his enemy. I’m sure he’ll shake
    hands with “Shia” Aoun and all others.

    • Why can’t you say “HA’s Aoun”? This sectarian talk is exactly what drives Shia into the laps of HA or Iran. What makes you more Lebanese than they are? Better yet, what if I were to tell you that I have cousins who in the 30s were Shiites and now they are Christians? Will that satisfy your criterium of being a Lebanese or are they still condemned. As a non-sectarian Lebanese, I am a majority… For you, as a Christian, you are a minority and whether you like it or not, with sectarian thinking you became the minority and Shiites are the majority therefore they rule. demographics rule. Watch Syria as it falls back in the hands of Sunnis. It is simple mathematics. However, if we think LEBANESE, we all become a majority. It is unbelievable that despite our ruination we still spew out that crap.

      • Lebanon was originally created for Syriac Christians. They are the core group. Everyone should be equal but the character of the state comes from them.

      • Anonymous

        Sectarian talks is the common language in Lebanon. The only friends I have are all
        Shia, and we never had any religious conflict. We only use quotes from both holy
        books that unite us. Pushing Shia to the laps of Hizballah, as my friend Nabil said,
        is Hizballah obressive weapons and style, not sectarian talks. Shia in majority have
        good hearts and loving nature because of the teachings of Imam Ali. Unless I see by
        my own eyes, I don’t believe a Shia would kidnap and kill a Christian because he’s
        a Christian. Lebanon never was and never will be a Christian Country. I gladly would
        live under a fair Muslim ruler rather than a Syrian one or Iranian. My grand grand fathers
        lived under “Ma’aniyeen” rules and were happy and well protected. I see true religion as a
        uniting force not a dividing one. Stay well.

    • Anonymous

      What are you talking about? LF were never Aouns enemies. Many Christians and Lebanese in general consider Geagea as a killer that caused the death of many Lebanese and Christians in particular.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry, I don’t know much about Doctor Geagea past’s. According to the news, Syrians killed
        and kidnapped more than 100,000 young Christians and occupied their land forcing majority
        of them to leave Lebanon. I never heard about Dc. Geagea killing Christians. I guess, so many
        rumors and gassips I’m not aware of.

      • Anonymous

        LF and Aoun were never enemies? Im not going to bother typing just go read a book.

      • Anonymous

        LF and Aoun were never enemies? Im not going to bother typing just go read a book.

    • PROPHET.T

      What is “a true Christian” or ” true Muslim”? and according to who?What criteria do you follow to make such a determination about true followers of any sect?How many people does one have to murder to become a true follower of any sect or religion?
      Have you people had enough worshiping of warlords and militia leaders who care only about their own personal interests?

      • Anonymous

        True Christian means the one who believe in God Almighty and strictly follow his teachings
        from the Ten Commandments to the orders of Jesus such as love your enemy, forgive others’
        mistakes, feed the poor, clothe the naked, etc. I heard that Geagea and his party are doing that.
        Certainly Hizballah doesn’t like Geagea and that’s purely politics. I know lots of Muslims and my
        only friends are two Shia. If I’m a Christian, I have no enemy but the devil. Every human being
        is my sister or brother. As a Lebanese, I refuse to be loyal to any other country because of my
        religion, but to Lebanon. Are you?

        • PROPHET.T

          Great description of a true Christian(or Muslim), yet I’m not sure that truly applies to Geagea or to any Lebanese leader.I do share your views of humanity as a common connector to all of us. Yet I find it hard to believe that a person who seems to be very genuine and honest ,yet does not recognize that Geagea and every Lebanese warlord is nothing but a criminal. I’m not talking politics here,but you should know that all of them are somehow loyal to foreign countries. No country supports a Lebanese faction for free; It’s always about interests and loyalty to the country that pays in money or other forms of support.just common sense.
          That being said, I found it a bit strange that you question my loyalty when I’m attacking all of those who are loyal to other countries.

        • Anonymous

          I have a ? can you find me an ( Islamic charity organization ) that helps any other religion or community or race apart from the Islamic people.

    • Anonymous

      ur ignorance is overwhelming. I wasn’t sure if you were speaking about the same geagea cuz the one i remember slaughtered many of his fellow christians

      • Anonymous

        Many leaders have blood on their hand in the civil war. So if you want to prosecute them, then at least Geagea served in jail unlike others. Why don’t prosecute Walid Beik on the slaughter of 200 christians in one single day alone after his father was killed by Syrian troops and let the slaughter go on. How about Karami gangs in Tripoli who kidnapped and killed Christians on regular basis. How about Franjieh clan and many clans in the Shiites and Sunnis community.
        But we all tried to forget the past and put it behind us. But let’s prosecute for real the killers of hariri and many true Lebanese patriots who died for their country and removed brutally by the Syrian and hezbollah thugs.. you all seems to forget about the mother fuckers who are still killing us every day.

        • Anonymous

          We can forget the past but the problem is around the middle east Christians today are still been massacred daily.
          Google( THE CHRONICLE WATCH ) and this is what is happening Today and every day. They are on a mission and that mission is clear kill all infidels. If a Christian man marry a Muslim woman what happens to him?? They say they want to live in peace with other religions when is that going to happen. I have no hate for any, some of my close friends are muslim but when you see what these uneducated radicals want to do many ?????? are in my head.

        • Anonymous

          They all need to be persecuted, every single one of them. They want us as Lebanese to put this all behind us so we can move on rebuild our nation. I am for moving on but to just forgive all the warlords for their injustice is repulsive. All of the sects in Lebanon are responsible for massacres against others. Christians, Muslims, and Druze were all massacered and their is no denying that. Lebanon has some of the most educated individuals in the world but we choose to re-elect those who ruined the nation in the first place. I as a Lebanese have forgotten the past but will not forget what the warlords have committed. These people need to be brought to justice to serve as an example for all Lebanese that violence against your fellow countryman is flat out wrong

      • Anonymous

        Hello Cedar4; Your inpolitness is clearly showing. I think you are a kid and don’t know what you
        are talking about. Geagea didn’t kill one single Christian. Few political killings of
        Ahrar and Marada have happened when President Elect Basheer Jumayel was the LF leader. After
        his trajic death, Geagea took over and stopped all conflicts with Christian rivals, including Al-Marada.
        In fact, majority of killings were done by Aoun during his war against Syria that he lost terribly, and
        Syrian forces enterred Christians enclaves after that loss and kidnapped or killed over 100,000
        Christians and forced more than 250,000 to run away from Lebanon for their lives. You need a dose of
        politeness and two dozes of knowledge in history and facts. Stay well and learn more.

        • Anonymous

          With all due respect Elinjaim I could careless if my impoliteness is showing. Our people have suffered long enough at the hands of sectarian rulers for me to continue being polite. We as Lebanese continue to support the same individuals who destroyed Lebanon in the civil war. My frustration is not only directed at Geagea but Aoun, Hassan Narallah, Jumbladt, Berri and the rest of the goons in the government. Your facts are distinctively skewed, and to think Geagea or any warlord in both march camps has not committed crimes against humanity is flat out wrong. What i find funny and ridiculous for that matter is how you can call me a kid, because you seem to know it all. But of course I’m the immature one for seeing them all is scum while you and others continue to defend their own respective warlord. I will choose to be as impolite as I wish because my politeness has been exhausted by beliefs such as your own which have torn our nation apart. Cheers

  • ghzayel

    1- with all due respect,and no offense meant, but where is the christian lebanese president when we need him and why is he not participating in this christian leaders meeting??? please do not give me the traditional excuse that he is the president of all the lebanese; berri forgets he is the parliament speaker of all lebanon when issues concerning his shia constituents of amal and hizballah are discussed,the same goes for the sunni and the druze leaders.

    2-the patriarch should lay on the table the following critical issues and demands concerning the christians in lebanon.these issues should be debated adopted and seriously followed through.

    the patriarch should also make all those so called christian leaders swear under oath with bible at hand that no matter what happens from now on in the political arena, no one will ever try to impose his opinions or settle his dispute with the others by force.

    a popular referendum could be done afterwards only among the christian lebanese population to determine precisely if they reach a concensus on the following issues:

    a- give the lebanese expatriates from all over the world, if they wish, their due civil rights as all lebanese citizens and find a workable mechanism to start this process immediately.

    b- condemn all illegal weapons throughout lebanon that are out of the control of the legitimate lebanese isf and army authorities and devise a phased plan that could be implemented real soon with the top priority accorded to confiscate all weapons held by non lebanese while simultaneously working on reinforcing the lebanese army.

    c- start a trend of reverse immigration and create a series of incentives, on the social, political and most importantly financial levels with the help of wealthy lebanese and expats, in order to motivate the christian lebanese living overseas to come back and settle in lebanon and keep the ones already in the country from travelling abroad.

    d- pursue the issue of the international tribunal to its logical conclusions while demanding from the tribunal and insisting on having speedy procedures, trials and deliberations in order to achieve justice for all in a timely manner.

    • Elinjaim

      Why you want Christians to come back to Lebanon? They are more successful
      in foreign lands than they were in Lebanon.

      • ghzayel

        elinjaim

        why did the jews return from all over the world to palestine in 1945 where they were a minority at the beginning, eventhough they were very successful abroad and had a good life???

        if you are living abroad, does lebanon the land of your ancestors, i suppose, mean anything to you more than the traditional dabke and the occasional gathering over a hommos and tabboule dinner???

        the christians in the middle east including those in lebanon have a serious problem to deal with much more important than aoun and geagea problems and that was highlighted in the latest synodus in rome; their numbers are steadily dropping due to the current heavy one way emigration getting to the point of being extinct in some countries like irak for example.

        nowadays i still remember back when i was in the us few years ago, the typical question people used to ask when they first met someone was “where are you coming from???

        the immigration authorities in most western countries always mention the birth place on all naturalized citizens’ passports.

        if you or any of your parents were born in lebanon there is nothing you can do to escape from this legacy unless you forge all your personal documents and pretend you are from somewhere else, if you can; even though people would find out sooner or later the real you.

        if you were a christian believer you cannot avoid the fact that the middle east is the birth place of christianity and the christian lebanese residents and expats have a moral obligation to be concerned about the fate of their religion and the fate of their christian brothers in these troubled lands.

        it is true that perhaps you are now a successful businessman abroad adopting conveniently the who cares attitude; but to be more specific, if you let things happen as they are now in lebanon convincing yourself that problems will be fixed by remote control or by simply providing occasional bursts of sympathy while sitting far away on your desk in your successful job in the west, then i can assure you there won’t be any free, democratic, civilized, peaceful and multicultural lebanon left to visit in the coming years.

        • Elinjaim

          Hello ghzayel
          Your argument is purely true, but when Druze Muslims have killed 76 persons of my family
          in 1983 at Maaser El-Chouf in one night for one reason only that they were Christians, and
          when you hear almost everyday that Christians are killed in Iraq, Sudan, Cyprus, Philipinnes,
          Pakistan, Indonesia, etc., you have to think about your safety and security first. I’m useful to
          my beloved Lebanon when I’m alive not dead. It is foolish to put my body in the hands of barberian
          butchers in order to love the country of my origin. Yes, we dream every day of returning to Lebanon
          with our fortunes, but when you hear about the dangerous situation in Lebanon and all the Middle
          East, we put it off. Last time I visited Lebanon, some teenagers with assault rifles kidnapped me
          and almost fired at my head when I answered that I was a Christian. Thanks be to an elderly man
          who convinced them to take all my money and belongings and let me go. Unless something is
          done to secure Christians lives and their lands and other properties in that area, convincing us to
          come back is not easy. Let them give us a small area like mount of Lebanon to rule, defend, protect
          and live in peace and harmony and I assure you that more than 500.000 Christians would return and
          build their enclave to be better than Monacco.
          Stay well

        • Elinjaim

          Hello ghzayel
          Your argument is purely true, but when Druze Muslims have killed 76 persons of my family
          in 1983 at Maaser El-Chouf in one night for one reason only that they were Christians, and
          when you hear almost everyday that Christians are killed in Iraq, Sudan, Cyprus, Philipinnes,
          Pakistan, Indonesia, etc., you have to think about your safety and security first. I’m useful to
          my beloved Lebanon when I’m alive not dead. It is foolish to put my body in the hands of barberian
          butchers in order to love the country of my origin. Yes, we dream every day of returning to Lebanon
          with our fortunes, but when you hear about the dangerous situation in Lebanon and all the Middle
          East, we put it off. Last time I visited Lebanon, some teenagers with assault rifles kidnapped me
          and almost fired at my head when I answered that I was a Christian. Thanks be to an elderly man
          who convinced them to take all my money and belongings and let me go. Unless something is
          done to secure Christians lives and their lands and other properties in that area, convincing us to
          come back is not easy. Let them give us a small area like mount of Lebanon to rule, defend, protect
          and live in peace and harmony and I assure you that more than 500.000 Christians would return and
          build their enclave to be better than Monacco.
          Stay well

    • Elinjaim

      Why you want Christians to come back to Lebanon? They are more successful
      in foreign lands than they were in Lebanon.

    • Hannibal

      Leaders do not believe in the bible to swear an oath upon… But a green dollar will work… LOL

      • ghzayel

        hannibal,

        ok, let us assume they dont believe in the bible even though most of them openly declare the opposite and pretend to be fervent christians more than the patriarch himself.

        so that will give the new patriarch in concert with other christian religious leaders the perfect opportunity to put those political leaders up to the test.

        the religious leaders will have to formulate a future guidance policy for the political leaders based on the true aspirations of the christians in lebanon. if it takes a referendum among the christian population to formulate these aspirations so be it.

        the religious leaders will have to exert the maximum pressure on the political leaders to make them abide a la lettre by this new code of honor.

        they will probably and most certainly have to threaten to make use of their respective church powers already within their grasp to excommunicate any political leader that does not follow these guidances.

        after all, it is imperative not to let the national concensus and entente become synonymus to chaos and paralysis.

        it is about time for some gutsy authority in lebanon to emerge, start drawing lines, defining what is right and what is wrong, what is black and what is white; the paralysed lebanese society cannot function anymore in the grey.

      • ghzayel

        hannibal,

        ok, let us assume they dont believe in the bible even though most of them openly declare the opposite and pretend to be fervent christians more than the patriarch himself.

        so that will give the new patriarch in concert with other christian religious leaders the perfect opportunity to put those political leaders up to the test.

        the religious leaders will have to formulate a future guidance policy for the political leaders based on the true aspirations of the christians in lebanon. if it takes a referendum among the christian population to formulate these aspirations so be it.

        the religious leaders will have to exert the maximum pressure on the political leaders to make them abide a la lettre by this new code of honor.

        they will probably and most certainly have to threaten to make use of their respective church powers already within their grasp to excommunicate any political leader that does not follow these guidances.

        after all, it is imperative not to let the national concensus and entente become synonymus to chaos and paralysis.

        it is about time for some gutsy authority in lebanon to emerge, start drawing lines, defining what is right and what is wrong, what is black and what is white; the paralysed lebanese society cannot function anymore in the grey.

  • Anonymous

    1- with all due respect,and no offense meant, but where is the christian lebanese president when we need him and why is he not participating in this christian leaders meeting??? please do not give me the traditional excuse that he is the president of all the lebanese; berri forgets he is the parliament speaker of all lebanon when issues concerning his shia constituents of amal and hizballah are discussed,the same goes for the sunni and the druze leaders.

    2-the patriarch should lay on the table the following critical issues concerning the christians in lebanon.these issues should be debated adopted and seriously followed through.

    the patriarch should also make all those so called christian leaders swear under oath with bible at hand that no matter what happens from now on in the political arena, no one will ever try to impose his opinions or settle his dispute with the others by force.

    a popular referendum could be done afterwards only among the christian lebanese population to determine precisely if they reach a concensus on the following issues:

    a- give the lebanese expatriates from all over the world, if they wish, their due civil rights as all lebanese citizens and find a workable mechanism to start this process immediately.

    b- condemn all illegal weapons throughout lebanon that are out of the control of the legitimate lebanese isf and army authorities and devise a phased plan that could be implemented real soon with the top priority accorded to confiscate all weapons held by non lebanese while simultaneously working on reinforcing the lebanese army.

    c- start a trend of reverse immigration and create a series of incentives, on the social, political and most importantly financial levels in order to motivate the christian lebanese to come back and settle in lebanon.

    d- pursue the issue of the international tribunal to the end while demanding from the tribunal and insisting on having speedy trials in order to achieve justice for all lebanese in a timely manner.

    • Anonymous

      Why you want Christians to come back to Lebanon? They are more successful
      in foreign lands than they were in Lebanon.

      • Anonymous

        elinjaim

        why did the jews return from all over the world to palestine in 1945 where they were a minority at the beginning??? they were very successful abroad and had a good life.

        if you are living abroad, does lebanon the land of your ancestors, i suppose, mean anything to you more than the traditional dabke and the occasional hommos and tabboule???

        the christians in the middle east including those in lebanon have a serious problem to deal with much more important than aoun and geagea problems and that was highlighted in the latest synodus in rome; their numbers are steadily dropping due to heavy one way emigration to the point of being extinct in some countries like irak for example.

        when i was in the us few years ago, i still remember the first question people used to ask when they first meet someone and that was “where are you coming from??? the immigration authorities always mention the birth place on all naturalized citizens’ passport.

        if you or any of your parents were born in lebanon there is nothing you can do to escape from this legacy unless you forge all your personal documents and pretend you are from somewhere else, if you can; even though people would find out sooner or later the real you.

        if you were a christian believer you cannot avoid the fact that the middle east is the birth place of christianity and the christian lebanese residents and expats have a moral obligation to be concerned about the fate of their religion and the christians in general in these troubled lands.

        it is true that perhaps you are now successful abroad but to be more specific, if you let things happen as they are now in lebanon convincing yourself that problems will be fixed simply by remote control or by simply providing occasional bursts of sympathy while sitting on your desk in your successful job in the west, then i can assure you there won’t be any free, democratic, civilized, peaceful and multicultural lebanon left in the few years to come.

        • Anonymous

          Hello ghzayel
          Your argument is purely true, but when Druze Muslims have killed 76 persons of my family
          in 1983 at Maaser El-Chouf in one night for one reason only that they were Christians, and
          when you hear almost everyday that Christians are killed in Iraq, Sudan, Cyprus, Philipinnes,
          Pakistan, Indonesia, etc., you have to think about your safety and security first. I’m useful to
          my beloved Lebanon when I’m alive not dead. It is foolish to put my body in the hands of barberian
          butchers in order to love the country of my origin. Yes, we dream every day of returning to Lebanon
          with our fortunes, but when you hear about the dangerous situation in Lebanon and all the Middle
          East, we put it off. Last time I visited Lebanon, some teenagers with assault rifles kidnapped me
          and almost fired at my head when I answered that I was a Christian. Thanks be to an elderly man
          who convinced them to take all my money and belongings and let me go. Unless something is
          done to secure Christians lives and their lands and other properties in that area, convincing us to
          come back is not easy. Let them give us a small area like mount of Lebanon to rule, defend, protect
          and live in peace and harmony and I assure you that more than 500.000 Christians would return and
          build their enclave to be better than Monacco.
          Stay well

    • Leaders do not believe in the bible to swear an oath upon… But a green dollar will work… LOL

      • Anonymous

        hannibal,

        ok, let us assume they dont believe in the bible even though most of them openly declare the opposite and pretend to be fervent christians more than the patriarch himself.

        so that will give the new patriarch in concert with other christian religious leaders the perfect opportunity to put those political leaders up to the test.

        the religious leaders will have to formulate a future guidance policy for the political leaders based on the true aspirations of the christians in lebanon. if it takes a referendum among the christian population to formulate these aspirations so be it.

        the religious leaders will have to exert the maximum pressure on the political leaders to make them abide a la lettre by this new code of honor.

        they will probably and most certainly have to make use of their respective church powers already within their grasp to excommunicate any political leader that does not abide by these guidances.

        it is imperative not to let the national concensus and entente become synonymus to chaos and paralysis.

        it is about time for some gutsy authority in lebanon to emerge, start drawing lines, defining what is right and what is wrong, what is black and what is white; the paralysed lebanese society cannot function anymore in the grey.

  • Beiruti

    I think its great that they all shake hands and wash away the Civil War memories. The stupidity of the Christians they all turned on eachother for their greed. If they all united no way they would have lost Lebanon.

  • Beiruti

    I think its great that they all shake hands and wash away the Civil War memories. The stupidity of the Christians they all turned on eachother for their greed. If they all united no way they would have lost Lebanon.

  • Anonymous

    I think its great that they all shake hands and wash away the Civil War memories. The stupidity of the Christians they all turned on eachother for their greed. If they all united no way they would have lost Lebanon.

  • antar2011

    i think it was the stupidity of all lebanese from all sects that turned against each othr during the war, each one of them wanting a lebanon custom made according to their beliefs and values.

    but what’s more stupid is that some lebanese have never learnt from the oast and are still living during that ugly period of the war.

    i commend the new patriach in taking this initiation but kan ghayru ashtar…the new patriach does not know that Aoun and Franjiyeh’s loyalty and worship to some other ideology that is far from the christian one.

    he is new to the post and he will learn how things are in his own time….the hard way.

  • Anonymous

    i think it was the stupidity of all lebanese from all sects that turned against each othr during the war, each one of them wanting a lebanon custom made according to their beliefs and values.

    but what’s more stupid is that some lebanese have never learnt from the oast and are still living during that ugly period of the war.

    i commend the new patriach in taking this initiation but kan ghayru ashtar…the new patriach does not know that Aoun and Franjiyeh’s loyalty and worship to some other ideology that is far from the christian one.

    he is new to the post and he will learn how things are in his own time….the hard way.

  • guss043

    F him I will not ashke hand with traitor and a coward , wait he will die with Assad and Nasrallah – 3 in one

  • guss043

    F him I will not ashke hand with traitor and a coward , wait he will die with Assad and Nasrallah – 3 in one

  • ohliban75

    Elinjaim,
    Don’t call the Druze Muslims,because they are not,neither Mohammad nor Ali is their profit. Honestly, I don’t know who is their Messiah because I’m not a Druze.
    I am really sorry that you lost 76 members of your family in 1985 in El-Chouf mountains by the hands of nuts and drugs head loaded killers militia-men.
    Let’s be fair and square for a moment and once for all sort out the blame game of the horrific crimes of the Lebanese Civil War,and what both relegions had inflicted on their citizens.

    Remember, the otrocities against all Lebanese from different relegions and sects was equally executed and done by the thugs and gangsters of hired and recruited militia men from both relegions assuming the Druzes are Moslems as you were initiallly referred to them as previously stated in your post.

    I’ am pretty sure for a fact that The Druzes “were equally slaughtered by the Christians Militia, ” by the hundreds and their homes were equally demolished and burned and their residents were dispersed and dislocated from their mountain towns down to their expulsions from their own properties,homes and buildings in controled christians section of Beirut.

    Hundreds of Druzes,women,children and men were slaughtered and left their corpeses for weeks before were collected by the Red Cross I suppose in the towns of Abbey,Kefermata, Binnie,Behwerta and so on.

    I hope that some day eventually you will find peace and forgiveness in your heart as time goes by as I did without a doubt.

    For sure it is quite hard to forget the horror of the past,but we cannot go on living in the shadow of the unfogettable crimes of horrors of the gross past that was brought up us by warlords and dirty politicians, unfortunately the loses on both sides were remarkebly herrendous and cowardly savage in the eyes of humanity and also the civilized socities.

    Saddly enough ! it is absoultely very ironic and irrational by me to state that without any hesitations,” the way I see it as the world turns around,” I strongly believe the clash of religions is immanent and upon us to successfully resolve the unenvitable harsh reality of their existence and context similarity especially are here to stay,literally it’s up to all ya out there to tackle this issue and do what God wants us to do for each other.
    PEACE..

  • ohliban75

    Elinjaim,
    Don’t call the Druze Muslims,because they are not,neither Mohammad nor Ali is their profit. Honestly, I don’t know who is their Messiah because I’m not a Druze.
    I am really sorry that you lost 76 members of your family in 1985 in El-Chouf mountains by the hands of nuts and drugs head loaded killers militia-men.
    Let’s be fair and square for a moment and once for all sort out the blame game of the horrific crimes of the Lebanese Civil War,and what both relegions had inflicted on their citizens.

    Remember, the otrocities against all Lebanese from different relegions and sects was equally executed and done by the thugs and gangsters of hired and recruited militia men from both relegions assuming the Druzes are Moslems as you were initiallly referred to them as previously stated in your post.

    I’ am pretty sure for a fact that The Druzes “were equally slaughtered by the Christians Militia, ” by the hundreds and their homes were equally demolished and burned and their residents were dispersed and dislocated from their mountain towns down to their expulsions from their own properties,homes and buildings in controled christians section of Beirut.

    Hundreds of Druzes,women,children and men were slaughtered and left their corpeses for weeks before were collected by the Red Cross I suppose in the towns of Abbey,Kefermata, Binnie,Behwerta and so on.

    I hope that some day eventually you will find peace and forgiveness in your heart as time goes by as I did without a doubt.

    For sure it is quite hard to forget the horror of the past,but we cannot go on living in the shadow of the unfogettable crimes of horrors of the gross past that was brought up us by warlords and dirty politicians, unfortunately the loses on both sides were remarkebly herrendous and cowardly savage in the eyes of humanity and also the civilized socities.

    Saddly enough ! it is absoultely very ironic and irrational by me to state that without any hesitations,” the way I see it as the world turns around,” I strongly believe the clash of religions is immanent and upon us to successfully resolve the unenvitable harsh reality of their existence and context similarity especially are here to stay,literally it’s up to all ya out there to tackle this issue and do what God wants us to do for each other.
    PEACE..

  • Anonymous

    Elinjaim,
    Don’t call the Druze Muslims,because they are not,neither Mohammad nor Ali is their profit. Honestly, I don’t know who is their Messiah because I’m not a Druze.
    I am really sorry that you lost 76 members of your family in 1985 in El-Chouf mountains by the hands of nuts and drugs head loaded killers militia-men.
    Let’s be fair and square for a moment and once for all sort out the blame game of the horrific crimes of the Lebanese Civil War,and what both relegions had inflicted on their citizens.

    Remember, the otrocities against all Lebanese from different relegions and sects was equally executed and done by the thugs and gangsters of hired and recruited militia men from both relegions assuming the Druzes are Moslems as you were initiallly referred to them as previously stated in your post.

    I’ am pretty sure for a fact that The Druzes “were equally slaughtered by the Christians Militia, ” by the hundreds and their homes were equally demolished and burned and their residents were dispersed and dislocated from their mountain towns down to their expulsions from their own properties,homes and buildings in controled christians section of Beirut.

    Hundreds of Druzes,women,children and men were slaughtered and left their corpeses for weeks before were collected by the Red Cross I suppose in the towns of Abbey,Kefermata, Binnie,Behwerta and so on.

    I hope that some day eventually you will find peace and forgiveness in your heart as time goes by as I did without a doubt.

    For sure it is quite hard to forget the horror of the past,but we cannot go on living in the shadow of the unfogettable crimes of horrors of the gross past that was brought up us by warlords and dirty politicians, unfortunately the loses on both sides were remarkebly herrendous and cowardly savage in the eyes of humanity and also the civilized socities.

    Saddly enough ! it is absoultely very ironic and irrational by me to state that without any hesitations,” the way I see it as the world turns around,” I strongly believe the clash of religions is immanent and upon us to successfully resolve the unenvitable harsh reality of their existence and context similarity especially are here to stay,literally it’s up to all ya out there to tackle this issue and do what God wants us to do for each other.
    PEACE..