Mikati, Hezbollah worked out a deal over cabinet formation

MTV reported based on reliable information that : Hezbollah chief promised PM-designate Nagib Mikati during their most recent discussion to mediate with MP Michel Aoun. Nasrallah and Mikati also agreed on solving the obstacle of the Sunni opposition representation by endorsing any candidate named by former PM Omar Karami.

Cabinet formation is reportedly being hampered by the demands of Aoun and Hezbollah.

Aoun has reportedly been insisting on a 40 % share in the cabinet which should include the ministry of interior and defense and does not want president Suleiman to have any share. Hezbollah on the other hand was demanding that Faisal Karami , son of Omar Karami should represent the Sunnis in the cabinet .

Mikati was appointed in January as the PM designate with the backing of the Hezbollah March 8 alliance and MPs Walid Jumblatt and Mohammad Safadi. March 14 leaders have repeatedly said that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination.

March 14 parties have announced that they will not take part in the cabinet Mikati is currently forming, and Hariri vowed to fight the use of non-state weapons “peacefully and democratically.”

  • Crossed

    “March 14 leaders have repeatedly said that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination”

    In other words, “let’s just blame something for our faults”.

    Hezbollah’s action were purely democratic. Lebanon needs less of these babies.

    • Fadi81

      in other words you’re a moron.

      • Crossed

        Perhaps you missed my point, Lebanon needs LESS babies. Only little children comment like that.

        • Fadi81

          no Lebanon needs less destructive people who cant see past the tip of their nose. you my friend are the perfect example of why Lebanon is where its at. no logic-no sense of pride in a free soveirgn homeland-I cant debate or get into facts with you as its a waste of my time. If you post something like a moron prepare to be called out on it.

    • Mosetsfire

      Fadi is right, you are a moron. March 8 was GIVEN veto power by March 14 as part of the Doha agreement. March 8 then violated the Doha agreement and used intimidation to flip March 14 MPs to their camp.

      Of course people in the March 8 camp are morally bankrupt and cannot see why the actions of their camp is incorrect.

      tfeh x100 on March 8

      • Crossed

        Calling me a moron doesn’t help prove your point. Doha does not trump the Lebanese constitution. No arms were used, no one claimed to have a gun pointed at their head. This is a cheap, and unworthy excuse by Hariri’s camp. It also does not change the fact that March 8’s actions were entirely legal under Lebanese law.

        • Mosetsfire

          I did not say they were illegal hbb. March 14 was duped by March 8, but we are wiser and the next elections will speak for themselves. Let’s just hope in the mean time March 8 does no irreversible damage.

        • Mosetsfire

          I did not say they were illegal hbb. March 14 was duped by March 8, but we are wiser and the next elections will speak for themselves. Let’s just hope in the mean time March 8 does no irreversible damage.

        • Fadi81

          i wasnt trying to proove my point- I was simply call you out for being a moron, I mean do you even think for 1 second anyone is buying this garbage you wrote? you talk about lebanese law and whats legal??? dont even get me started on that. who has any right to cause the chaos and destruction of our tiny country as HA has in the last 7 years, tell me?

          I certainly hope people like you can eventualy see the light otherwise we are surely destined for continued chaos.

        • Fadi81

          i wasnt trying to proove my point- I was simply call you out for being a moron, I mean do you even think for 1 second anyone is buying this garbage you wrote? you talk about lebanese law and whats legal??? dont even get me started on that. who has any right to cause the chaos and destruction of our tiny country as HA has in the last 7 years, tell me?

          I certainly hope people like you can eventualy see the light otherwise we are surely destined for continued chaos.

        • george_haddad_NJ

          Crossed you say no arms were used to force the Doha.. what about in May 2008 were these arms used on Israel or to kill Sunnis and Druze and Christians? stop being sneaky in trying to say you’re not a fan of Hezbollah then you turn around and defend. we know people like you his Code name is Prophet.

    • nabilabuzaid

      so what’s preventing HA and march 8th from forming a gov’t. They’re blaming March 14th for it while the latter has been out of it anyway. Just because and maybe under the threats of guns Lebanese gov’t legitimized HA weapons, that don’t give them the right to attack as they see fit. The last time we all know that HA attacked the border and kidnapped and killed Israeli soldiers. Even after repeated threats from Israel to return the soldiers to them, HA refused and caused the 2006 war. Even afterward they have been inviting Iranian experts to check out the borders, train them inside Lebanon and give them strong weapons and money. Do you really believe it was the Lebanese gov’t who authorized all this? Iran wants to push Lebanon into war with Israel while I despise Syria, I give them credit for making sure as of yet that HA do not adventure into Israel again. Stop thinking we’re so naive that we’re going to believe you. The only reasons many jackasses in Lebanon nodding their heads to HA people like Jumblat and Aoun and Wahab and arslan. Because some are scared and others want to gain influence. Like what did Wahab ever done for Lebanon? all he does attacks and attacks and he knows very well he can get away with it because he’s got HA and Syria’s backing. The same for Aoun the Clown who was with March 14th first but when realized he was not going to be given powers as he wished, he switched sides. Now he wants revenge and on top of it he’s the ardent defender of Syria after their Troops nearly crushed his Tweety Orange Organizations and broke their back. He was the first to accuse them of Harriri’s assasinations and many others. and its all on video and his news conference while back in 2005. Stop the childish act and look inward toward Lebanon and stop using the lack of security in the South so you can legitimize your terrorists acts against Lebanese..

      • Crossed

        I’m really not going to repeat myself. But a word of advice, if you want to be taken seriously, don’t include speculations or crazy accusations without factual support. Your comments just get dismissed otherwise.

        “Just because and maybe under the threats of guns Lebanese gov’t legitimized HA weapons”
        There is no maybe. Under Lebanese law hezbollah is allowed to keep its arms. I didn’t see a masked hezbollah gunman holding a gun to Hariri’s head when he signed this agreement. Did you?

        You have no proof “Iranian agents” train hezbollah inside Lebanon. And even if they did, so what? It’s legal anyway.

        Im going to ignore everything else you said, but you should answer this.
        The new natural gas that was discovered off Lebanon’s coast is attracting israel. Our fresh water supply is also on israel’s radar. So how we defend our resources? The army, God bless it, isn’t strong enough to face off with israel. Hezbollah can’t defeat israel alone, but provides deterrence because israel knows an adventure into Lebanon would be costly. If hezbollah gives up its arms, will you throw stones at israel to defend our resources?

        In the long run I agree with you, I think hezbollah should merge with the army and not operate on its own. But I don’t think that time has come yet. And until Lebanon has a solid defence strategy, Hezbollah’s arms are vital for the protection of Lebanon.

        • antar2011

          crossed wrote=There is no maybe. Under Lebanese law hezbollah is allowed to keep its arms. I didn’t see a masked hezbollah gunman holding a gun to Hariri’s head when he signed this agreement. Did you?.

          what do you think may 2008 was about?

          crossed wrote= You have no proof “Iranian agents” train hezbollah inside Lebanon.

          man, even hizbollah does not deny that fact….read some articles about hizbollah beginings or even better, read the book that was written by Naim Qasim, for some proofs.

          as for the old excuse of the army is not strong enough to defend lebanese…is only convincing whoever likes hizbollah…here is some simple logic… which is the stronger in defence against israel:
          1- hizbollah exclusive resistance who is working evry minute of every day in isolating itself from the rest of the lebanese
          or
          2- a united front with hizbollah weapons and training and man joing hands with the lebanese army to make it “stronger’ to defend lebanon against israeli agression.

          it does not need a genius to figure this one out.

          now the questions remains: if defending lebanon against israel is really what hizbollah is about, why did it refuse to join hands with the army to strengthen its resistance and gain wide lebanese approaval…the poeple who matter most.

        • antar2011

          crossed wrote=There is no maybe. Under Lebanese law hezbollah is allowed to keep its arms. I didn’t see a masked hezbollah gunman holding a gun to Hariri’s head when he signed this agreement. Did you?.

          what do you think may 2008 was about?

          crossed wrote= You have no proof “Iranian agents” train hezbollah inside Lebanon.

          man, even hizbollah does not deny that fact….read some articles about hizbollah beginings or even better, read the book that was written by Naim Qasim, for some proofs.

          as for the old excuse of the army is not strong enough to defend lebanese…is only convincing whoever likes hizbollah…here is some simple logic… which is the stronger in defence against israel:
          1- hizbollah exclusive resistance who is working evry minute of every day in isolating itself from the rest of the lebanese
          or
          2- a united front with hizbollah weapons and training and man joing hands with the lebanese army to make it “stronger’ to defend lebanon against israeli agression.

          it does not need a genius to figure this one out.

          now the questions remains: if defending lebanon against israel is really what hizbollah is about, why did it refuse to join hands with the army to strengthen its resistance and gain wide lebanese approaval…the poeple who matter most.

        • Crossed

          To Antar2011,
          About 2008. I am not a fan of hezbollah taking to the streets. But in this case, the government at the time was illegal under the Lebanese constitution. So by our own Lebanese laws, this means it could not pass the motion to terminate Hezbollah’s communications network. When Saniora broke the law and went ahead with it anyway, it was seen as an act of aggression and was resisted. Hezbollah didn’t just take the streets for fun, it was in response to a motion that had no right to be passed.

          About the Iranian agents, they are probably training Hezbollah fighters. To deny this would be crazy. But still, if you support Lebanon, you support our laws and this still doesn’t break any.

          But you didn’t answer the question I asked. Israel has its eyes on our resources, so what do we do? As much as I love our army, it wouldn’t last 10 hours against the IDF terror machine. Hezbollah alone matched them for 33 days. This doesn’t mean hezbollah can defeat israel, just that they provide deterrence.

          I agree with you when you say that Hezbollah integrated into the army, perhaps as a special unit, is our best option. This is what I want to see in the future. But for now, it makes sense to have them seprate for a few reasons:

          1. Hezbollah can buy arms on the black market with ease. Much of these arms are denied to the State.
          2. Secrecy. That’s hezbollah greatest weapon. Integrating into the army too soon, or too fast could expose too much to israel via spies.

          Under the table, I think it is impossible for Hezbollah do launch any operations without the approval of some important politicians.

        • antar2011

          there are more better means then buying arms illegally… what proof do you have to say that lebanese state does not have the means to buy arms?…remember the russian jets or the US giving arms to lebanese army as recently as last year…but alas with hizbollah’s overthrow of the govt it halted that support…and who can blaim them?

          ya habibi, let’s leave it to the professionals to discuss the way for hizbollah to alumligate…they know best. it is really up to hizbollah to decide to join or not..that’s the first and most important decision.

          i have noticed you are using some statements that have no evidence at all, this method of discussion may be a good way to convince hizbollah supporters but it is not a credible one in the eyes of everyone else with sense.

        • antar2011

          there are more better means then buying arms illegally… what proof do you have to say that lebanese state does not have the means to buy arms?…remember the russian jets or the US giving arms to lebanese army as recently as last year…but alas with hizbollah’s overthrow of the govt it halted that support…and who can blaim them?

          ya habibi, let’s leave it to the professionals to discuss the way for hizbollah to alumligate…they know best. it is really up to hizbollah to decide to join or not..that’s the first and most important decision.

          i have noticed you are using some statements that have no evidence at all, this method of discussion may be a good way to convince hizbollah supporters but it is not a credible one in the eyes of everyone else with sense.

        • Mosetsfire

          Crossed, hbb, you’re not listening. a National resistance movement doesn’t attack the citizenry it has vowed to protect. For a resistance movement to be successful it has to have the trust of the people. Most Lebanese fear Hezbollah they do not respect it, and after May 2008 they have a right to fear it.

          Khalas ba2a, Hezbollah has outlived its usefulness. It is now a liability for the Lebanese people

        • Mosetsfire

          Crossed, hbb, you’re not listening. a National resistance movement doesn’t attack the citizenry it has vowed to protect. For a resistance movement to be successful it has to have the trust of the people. Most Lebanese fear Hezbollah they do not respect it, and after May 2008 they have a right to fear it.

          Khalas ba2a, Hezbollah has outlived its usefulness. It is now a liability for the Lebanese people

  • Crossed

    “March 14 leaders have repeatedly said that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination”

    In other words, “let’s just blame something for our faults”.

    Hezbollah’s action were purely democratic. Lebanon needs less of these babies.

    • Fadi81

      in other words you’re a moron.

      • Crossed

        Perhaps you missed my point, Lebanon needs LESS babies. Only little children comment like that.

        • Fadi81

          no Lebanon needs less destructive people who cant see past the tip of their nose. you my friend are the perfect example of why Lebanon is where its at. no logic-no sense of pride in a free soveirgn homeland-I cant debate or get into facts with you as its a waste of my time. If you post something like a moron prepare to be called out on it.

    • nabilabuzaid

      so what’s preventing HA and march 8th from forming a gov’t. They’re blaming March 14th for it while the latter has been out of it anyway. Just because and maybe under the threats of guns Lebanese gov’t legitimized HA weapons, that don’t give them the right to attack as they see fit. The last time we all know that HA attacked the border and kidnapped and killed Israeli soldiers. Even after repeated threats from Israel to return the soldiers to them, HA refused and caused the 2006 war. Even afterward they have been inviting Iranian experts to check out the borders, train them inside Lebanon and give them strong weapons and money. Do you really believe it was the Lebanese gov’t who authorized all this? Iran wants to push Lebanon into war with Israel while I despise Syria, I give them credit for making sure as of yet that HA do not adventure into Israel again. Stop thinking we’re so naive that we’re going to believe you. The only reasons many jackasses in Lebanon nodding their heads to HA people like Jumblat and Aoun and Wahab and arslan. Because some are scared and others want to gain influence. Like what did Wahab ever done for Lebanon? all he does attacks and attacks and he knows very well he can get away with it because he’s got HA and Syria’s backing. The same for Aoun the Clown who was with March 14th first but when realized he was not going to be given powers as he wished, he switched sides. Now he wants revenge and on top of it he’s the ardent defender of Syria after their Troops nearly crushed his Tweety Orange Organizations and broke their back. He was the first to accuse them of Harriri’s assasinations and many others. and its all on video and his news conference while back in 2005. Stop the childish act and look inward toward Lebanon and stop using the lack of security in the South so you can legitimize your terrorists acts against Lebanese..

  • Anonymous

    “March 14 leaders have repeatedly said that intimidation from Hezbollah’s weapons helped secure the parliamentary majority for Mikati’s nomination”

    In other words, “let’s just blame something for our faults”.

    Hezbollah’s action were purely democratic. Lebanon needs less of these babies.

    • Anonymous

      in other words you’re a moron.

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps you missed my point, Lebanon needs LESS babies. Only little children comment like that.

        • Anonymous

          no Lebanon needs less destructive people who cant see past the tip of their nose. you my friend are the perfect example of why Lebanon is where its at. no logic-no sense of pride in a free soveirgn homeland-I cant debate or get into facts with you as its a waste of my time. If you post something like a moron prepare to be called out on it.

    • Fadi is right, you are a moron. March 8 was GIVEN veto power by March 14 as part of the Doha agreement. March 8 then violated the Doha agreement and used intimidation to flip March 14 MPs to their camp.

      Of course people in the March 8 camp are morally bankrupt and cannot see why the actions of their camp is incorrect.

      tfeh x100 on March 8

      • Anonymous

        Calling me a moron doesn’t help prove your point. Doha does not trump the Lebanese constitution. No arms were used, no one claimed to have a gun pointed at their head. This is a cheap, and unworthy excuse by Hariri’s camp. It also does not change the fact that March 8’s actions were entirely legal under Lebanese law.

        • I did not say they were illegal hbb. March 14 was duped by March 8, but we are wiser and the next elections will speak for themselves. Let’s just hope in the mean time March 8 does no irreversible damage.

        • Anonymous

          i wasnt trying to proove my point- I was simply call you out for being a moron, I mean do you even think for 1 second anyone is buying this garbage you wrote? you talk about lebanese law and whats legal??? dont even get me started on that. who has any right to cause the chaos and destruction of our tiny country as HA has in the last 7 years, tell me?

          I certainly hope people like you can eventualy see the light otherwise we are surely destined for continued chaos.

        • Anonymous

          Crossed you say no arms were used to force the Doha.. what about in May 2008 were these arms used on Israel or to kill Sunnis and Druze and Christians? stop being sneaky in trying to say you’re not a fan of Hezbollah then you turn around and defend. we know people like you his Code name is Prophet.

    • Anonymous

      so what’s preventing HA and march 8th from forming a gov’t. They’re blaming March 14th for it while the latter has been out of it anyway. Just because and maybe under the threats of guns Lebanese gov’t legitimized HA weapons, that don’t give them the right to attack as they see fit. The last time we all know that HA attacked the border and kidnapped and killed Israeli soldiers. Even after repeated threats from Israel to return the soldiers to them, HA refused and caused the 2006 war. Even afterward they have been inviting Iranian experts to check out the borders, train them inside Lebanon and give them strong weapons and money. Do you really believe it was the Lebanese gov’t who authorized all this? Iran wants to push Lebanon into war with Israel while I despise Syria, I give them credit for making sure as of yet that HA do not adventure into Israel again. Stop thinking we’re so naive that we’re going to believe you. The only reasons many jackasses in Lebanon nodding their heads to HA people like Jumblat and Aoun and Wahab and arslan. Because some are scared and others want to gain influence. Like what did Wahab ever done for Lebanon? all he does attacks and attacks and he knows very well he can get away with it because he’s got HA and Syria’s backing. The same for Aoun the Clown who was with March 14th first but when realized he was not going to be given powers as he wished, he switched sides. Now he wants revenge and on top of it he’s the ardent defender of Syria after their Troops nearly crushed his Tweety Orange Organizations and broke their back. He was the first to accuse them of Harriri’s assasinations and many others. and its all on video and his news conference while back in 2005. Stop the childish act and look inward toward Lebanon and stop using the lack of security in the South so you can legitimize your terrorists acts against Lebanese..

      • Anonymous

        I’m really not going to repeat myself. But a word of advice, if you want to be taken seriously, don’t include speculations or crazy accusations without factual support. Your comments just get dismissed otherwise.

        “Just because and maybe under the threats of guns Lebanese gov’t legitimized HA weapons”
        There is no maybe. Under Lebanese law hezbollah is allowed to keep its arms. I didn’t see a masked hezbollah gunman holding a gun to Hariri’s head when he signed this agreement. Did you?

        You have no proof “Iranian agents” train hezbollah inside Lebanon. And even if they did, so what? It’s legal anyway.

        Im going to ignore everything else you said, but you should answer this.
        The new natural gas that was discovered off Lebanon’s coast is attracting israel. Our fresh water supply is also on israel’s radar. So how we defend our resources? The army, God bless it, isn’t strong enough to face off with israel. Hezbollah can’t defeat israel alone, but provides deterrence because israel knows an adventure into Lebanon would be costly. If hezbollah gives up its arms, will you throw stones at israel to defend our resources?

        In the long run I agree with you, I think hezbollah should merge with the army and not operate on its own. But I don’t think that time has come yet. And until Lebanon has a solid defence strategy, Hezbollah’s arms are vital for the protection of Lebanon.

        • Anonymous

          crossed wrote=There is no maybe. Under Lebanese law hezbollah is allowed to keep its arms. I didn’t see a masked hezbollah gunman holding a gun to Hariri’s head when he signed this agreement. Did you?.

          what do you think may 2008 was about?

          crossed wrote= You have no proof “Iranian agents” train hezbollah inside Lebanon.

          man, even hizbollah does not deny that fact….read some articles about hizbollah beginings or even better, read the book that was written by Naim Qasim, for some proofs.

          as for the old excuse of the army is not strong enough to defend lebanese…is only convincing whoever likes hizbollah…here is some simple logic… which is the stronger in defence against israel:
          1- hizbollah exclusive resistance who is working evry minute of every day in isolating itself from the rest of the lebanese
          or
          2- a united front with hizbollah weapons and training and man joing hands with the lebanese army to make it “stronger’ to defend lebanon against israeli agression.

          it does not need a genius to figure this one out.

          now the questions remains: if defending lebanon against israel is really what hizbollah is about, why did it refuse to join hands with the army to strengthen its resistance and gain wide lebanese approaval…the poeple who matter most.

        • Anonymous

          To Antar2011,
          About 2008. I am not a fan of hezbollah taking to the streets. But in this case, the government at the time was illegal under the Lebanese constitution. So by our own Lebanese laws, this means it could not pass the motion to terminate Hezbollah’s communications network. When Saniora broke the law and went ahead with it anyway, it was seen as an act of aggression and was resisted. Hezbollah didn’t just take the streets for fun, it was in response to a motion that had no right to be passed.

          About the Iranian agents, they are probably training Hezbollah fighters. To deny this would be crazy. But still, if you support Lebanon, you support our laws and this still doesn’t break any.

          But you didn’t answer the question I asked. Israel has its eyes on our resources, so what do we do? As much as I love our army, it wouldn’t last 10 hours against the IDF terror machine. Hezbollah alone matched them for 33 days. This doesn’t mean hezbollah can defeat israel, just that they provide deterrence.

          I agree with you when you say that Hezbollah integrated into the army, perhaps as a special unit, is our best option. This is what I want to see in the future. But for now, it makes sense to have them seprate for a few reasons:

          1. Hezbollah can buy arms on the black market with ease. Much of these arms are denied to the State.
          2. Secrecy. That’s hezbollah greatest weapon. Integrating into the army too soon, or too fast could expose too much to israel via spies.

          Under the table, I think it is impossible for Hezbollah do launch any operations without the approval of some important politicians.

        • Anonymous

          there are more better means then buying arms illegally… what proof do you have to say that lebanese state does not have the means to buy arms?…remember the russian jets or the US giving arms to lebanese army as recently as last year…but alas with hizbollah’s overthrow of the govt it halted that support…and who can blaim them?

          ya habibi, let’s leave it to the professionals to discuss the way for hizbollah to alumligate…they know best. it is really up to hizbollah to decide to join or not..that’s the first and most important decision.

          i have noticed you are using some statements that have no evidence at all, this method of discussion may be a good way to convince hizbollah supporters but it is not a credible one in the eyes of everyone else with sense.

        • Crossed, hbb, you’re not listening. a National resistance movement doesn’t attack the citizenry it has vowed to protect. For a resistance movement to be successful it has to have the trust of the people. Most Lebanese fear Hezbollah they do not respect it, and after May 2008 they have a right to fear it.

          Khalas ba2a, Hezbollah has outlived its usefulness. It is now a liability for the Lebanese people

  • Beiruti

    March 8 supporters can’t base their arguements on true facts, thats why they always try to make the problem an Israeli one. If your leader cared so much about Lebanon, why is the bastard hiding underground like a rat? One day (hopefully i live to this day) i will piss on Nasrallah. Hezbollah is going to finish soon… They rely on Syria and Iran for everything even a drop of water. If they dare to touch the Lebanese people it will give Israel a valid excuse you beat the shit out of them once and for all. Once again Shi’ites go save yourself because your only ruining your reputation for the future decades of Lebanon.

    • Crossed

      We were talking about Lebanese law. The fact that you changed the topic to spew your utter nonsense means you are incapable of continuing this debate, so I’m just going to end it here.

      On a side note, you shouldn’t assume I support any groups over others. I support the rule of Lebanon, which was not violated by March 8 when they toppled Hariri.

      • nagy_michael2000

        What about when they killed his father and many good leaders who were seeking the Freedom from Syrian control.
        You and Hezbollah are nothing but of assholes and bastards and you will deny all the criminals and pretend nothing happened. Your day will come when Syria will be overtaken by Sunnis and it will stop the goals of turning Lebanon into Waliat Al Faqih and many others countries. Your day will come when Sunnis and others sects in Lebanon and SUnnis in Syria will corner you and will stop your couq from overtaken the middle east.

      • antar2011

        if you really care about lebanese laws, as you claim you do, then your objection should also include the many years of breaking of the law by hizbollah of having a hizbollah exclusive security areas in the south where not even lebanese army can step into.

        don’t also forget to object to the breaking of lebanese laws of hizbollah when they shot down the lebanese pilot because he was just doing his routine duties.

        if you really care about lebanese laws, then you should not be selective about which laws you care about and argue for and which ones you avoid.

        this translates into one question…

        what kind of ‘lebanese laws’ you really care about?

        • Crossed

          Okay, I’ll reply to what you said in a list.
          Hezbollah zones- the state has allowed for Hezbollah’s armed wing, officially recognized as “the resistance” to maintain security in parts of the country which are considered sensitive to it’s operations. Also the state can enter with the army if they need to in case of conflict. That was agreed upon with Hariri himself and does not violate Lebanese law in it’s current form.

          About the pilot, that was friendly fire, not an act of war by Hezbollah on the state. It happened because of poor communication.

          I’m not being selective. The last government Lebanon had legalized Hezbollah’s arms as part of lebanon’s resistance. Love it or hate it, it’s written and hariri who was pm at the time let it pass.

          I think you should realize it’s still the law whether or not you agree with it.

        • antar2011

          akhi…what happened in 2006?…

          yes, the lebamese govt [hence i did not use the word state] can enter into the zones to brake a fight between two neighbours but it is not allowed to do more then that so the security of the so called “resistance” is safe.

          even if it is a shock but the new game now is thatppple need to understand that the resistance is no longer hizbollah exclusive.

          so hizbollah no longer has special ‘laws’ or ‘rules’ over other govt systems.

          a friendly fire? loool okay…tell that to the parents of the pilot who see the situation differently…a communication error indeed!

          one thing hizbollah has prooved over the years that it does not do anything by mistake.

          you are indeed selective…there are other laws that have been written and hizbollah has ignored. so even if they are “written down”, other lebanese have the right to ignore them in the same way as the hizbollah does..no difference!

          there are not many lebanese laws left that are not tampered with during the syrian occupation and after.

          Thus only when a whole new set of laws are made and implemented on the basis of patriotism rather then basis of treason, can we really be a a united country with a true patriotic resistance.

        • antar2011

          akhi…what happened in 2006?…

          yes, the lebamese govt [hence i did not use the word state] can enter into the zones to brake a fight between two neighbours but it is not allowed to do more then that so the security of the so called “resistance” is safe.

          even if it is a shock but the new game now is thatppple need to understand that the resistance is no longer hizbollah exclusive.

          so hizbollah no longer has special ‘laws’ or ‘rules’ over other govt systems.

          a friendly fire? loool okay…tell that to the parents of the pilot who see the situation differently…a communication error indeed!

          one thing hizbollah has prooved over the years that it does not do anything by mistake.

          you are indeed selective…there are other laws that have been written and hizbollah has ignored. so even if they are “written down”, other lebanese have the right to ignore them in the same way as the hizbollah does..no difference!

          there are not many lebanese laws left that are not tampered with during the syrian occupation and after.

          Thus only when a whole new set of laws are made and implemented on the basis of patriotism rather then basis of treason, can we really be a a united country with a true patriotic resistance.

        • george_haddad_NJ

          Well said Antar..

        • george_haddad_NJ

          Well said Antar..

        • Crossed

          Why are you ranting to me? That’s Lebanese law. Hezbollah is allowed to maintain security zones because the government feels they are important for the defence of the country. If you don’t like it, write your local politician to protest it. Hariri was the PM when the resistance was awarded this. He was in agreement.

          Resistance should not be exclusive to HA. But theres no other group that can match the deterrence HA provides, not even the army. At this point it makes no sense to have new armed political wings. Focus should be placed on the army.

          Do you understand what friendly fire is? I don’t think you do.

          What laws? you said “there are other laws that have been written and hizbollah has ignored”. Provide those laws. No one in Lebanon has a right to ignore any laws, why would you suggest such an insane thing?

          Laws can be changed with a majority government. A majority government is elected based on the will of the people. The will of the people, and the majority government, allow hezbollah to maintain its arms, security zones, and activities.

          If you want to continue debating leave out anything you can’t prove. I won’t reply otherwise.

        • Crossed

          Why are you ranting to me? That’s Lebanese law. Hezbollah is allowed to maintain security zones because the government feels they are important for the defence of the country. If you don’t like it, write your local politician to protest it. Hariri was the PM when the resistance was awarded this. He was in agreement.

          Resistance should not be exclusive to HA. But theres no other group that can match the deterrence HA provides, not even the army. At this point it makes no sense to have new armed political wings. Focus should be placed on the army.

          Do you understand what friendly fire is? I don’t think you do.

          What laws? you said “there are other laws that have been written and hizbollah has ignored”. Provide those laws. No one in Lebanon has a right to ignore any laws, why would you suggest such an insane thing?

          Laws can be changed with a majority government. A majority government is elected based on the will of the people. The will of the people, and the majority government, allow hezbollah to maintain its arms, security zones, and activities.

          If you want to continue debating leave out anything you can’t prove. I won’t reply otherwise.

  • Beiruti

    March 8 supporters can’t base their arguements on true facts, thats why they always try to make the problem an Israeli one. If your leader cared so much about Lebanon, why is the bastard hiding underground like a rat? One day (hopefully i live to this day) i will piss on Nasrallah. Hezbollah is going to finish soon… They rely on Syria and Iran for everything even a drop of water. If they dare to touch the Lebanese people it will give Israel a valid excuse you beat the shit out of them once and for all. Once again Shi’ites go save yourself because your only ruining your reputation for the future decades of Lebanon.

    • Crossed

      We were talking about Lebanese law. The fact that you changed the topic to spew your utter nonsense means you are incapable of continuing this debate, so I’m just going to end it here.

      On a side note, you shouldn’t assume I support any groups over others. I support the rule of Lebanon, which was not violated by March 8 when they toppled Hariri.

      • nagy_michael2000

        What about when they killed his father and many good leaders who were seeking the Freedom from Syrian control.
        You and Hezbollah are nothing but of assholes and bastards and you will deny all the criminals and pretend nothing happened. Your day will come when Syria will be overtaken by Sunnis and it will stop the goals of turning Lebanon into Waliat Al Faqih and many others countries. Your day will come when Sunnis and others sects in Lebanon and SUnnis in Syria will corner you and will stop your couq from overtaken the middle east.

  • Anonymous

    March 8 supporters can’t base their arguements on true facts, thats why they always try to make the problem an Israeli one. If your leader cared so much about Lebanon, why is the bastard hiding underground like a rat? One day (hopefully i live to this day) i will piss on Nasrallah. Hezbollah is going to finish soon… They rely on Syria and Iran for everything even a drop of water. If they dare to touch the Lebanese people it will give Israel a valid excuse you beat the shit out of them once and for all. Once again Shi’ites go save yourself because your only ruining your reputation for the future decades of Lebanon.

    • Anonymous

      We were talking about Lebanese law. The fact that you changed the topic to spew your utter nonsense means you are incapable of continuing this debate, so I’m just going to end it here.

      On a side note, you shouldn’t assume I support any groups over others. I support the rule of Lebanon, which was not violated by March 8 when they toppled Hariri.

      • Anonymous

        What about when they killed his father and many good leaders who were seeking the Freedom from Syrian control.
        You and Hezbollah are nothing but of assholes and bastards and you will deny all the criminals and pretend nothing happened. Your day will come when Syria will be overtaken by Sunnis and it will stop the goals of turning Lebanon into Waliat Al Faqih and many others countries. Your day will come when Sunnis and others sects in Lebanon and SUnnis in Syria will corner you and will stop your couq from overtaken the middle east.

      • Anonymous

        if you really care about lebanese laws, as you claim you do, then your objection should also include the many years of breaking of the law by hizbollah of having a hizbollah exclusive security areas in the south where not even lebanese army can step into.

        don’t also forget to object to the breaking of lebanese laws of hizbollah when they shot down the lebanese pilot because he was just doing his routine duties.

        if you really care about lebanese laws, then you should not be selective about which laws you care about and argue for and which ones you avoid.

        this translates into one question…

        what kind of ‘lebanese laws’ you really care about?

        • Anonymous

          Okay, I’ll reply to what you said in a list.
          Hezbollah zones- the state has allowed for Hezbollah’s armed wing, officially recognized as “the resistance” to maintain security in parts of the country which are considered sensitive to it’s operations. Also the state can enter with the army if they need to in case of conflict. That was agreed upon with Hariri himself and does not violate Lebanese law in it’s current form.

          About the pilot, that was friendly fire, not an act of war by Hezbollah on the state. It happened because of poor communication.

          I’m not being selective. The last government Lebanon had legalized Hezbollah’s arms as part of lebanon’s resistance. Love it or hate it, it’s written and hariri who was pm at the time let it pass.

          I think you should realize it’s still the law whether or not you agree with it.

        • Anonymous

          akhi…what happened in 2006?…

          yes, the lebamese govt [hence i did not use the word state] can enter into the zones to brake a fight between two neighbours but it is not allowed to do more then that so the security of the so called “resistance” is safe.

          even if it is a shock but the new game now is thatppple need to understand that the resistance is no longer hizbollah exclusive.

          so hizbollah no longer has special ‘laws’ or ‘rules’ over other govt systems.

          a friendly fire? loool okay…tell that to the parents of the pilot who see the situation differently…a communication error indeed!

          one thing hizbollah has prooved over the years that it does not do anything by mistake.

          you are indeed selective…there are other laws that have been written that hizbollah has ignored. so even if they are “written down”, other lebanese have the right to ignore what’s “written down’ in the same way as the hizbollah does..no difference!

          there are not many lebanese laws left untampered during the syrian occupation and after by their proxies. Thus only when a whole new set of laws needed to be implemented on the basis of patriotism rather then on the basis of treason can we really be a a united country with true resistance.

        • Anonymous

          Well said Antar..

        • Anonymous

          Why are you ranting to me? That’s Lebanese law. Hezbollah is allowed to maintain security zones because the government feels they are important for the defence of the country. If you don’t like it, write your local politician to protest it. Hariri was the PM when the resistance was awarded this. He was in agreement.

          Resistance should not be exclusive to HA. But theres no other group that can match the deterrence HA provides, not even the army. At this point it makes no sense to have new armed political wings. Focus should be placed on the army.

          Do you understand what friendly fire is? I don’t think you do.

          What laws? you said “there are other laws that have been written and hizbollah has ignored”. Provide those laws. No one in Lebanon has a right to ignore any laws, why would you suggest such an insane thing?

          Laws can be changed with a majority government. A majority government is elected based on the will of the people. The will of the people, and the majority government, allow hezbollah to maintain its arms, security zones, and activities.

          If you want to continue debating leave out anything you can’t prove. I won’t reply otherwise.